Me, a venezuelan, can relate.

@Vizman216 what's your recommendation, professor?

@@johnyepthomi892 there's a framework by the most specialized company on the web, Google. I believe it's called Angular or something.

@@Amaraticando need more than that! Justify with more details react Vs angular

@@Amaraticando That no one likes to use.

@@alimertcakar1894 I like to use Angular :/ (not trashtalking about react anyway)

I like the reactions. They are fun to read/watch. I also like to see how people process my writing.

Should you stop reacting to "Stop reacting to 'Stop using React'"

@@mgjulesdev there is no need to react to Should you stop reacting to "Stop reacting to 'Stop using react'"

What are you doing here Usman 😂

@@buka.a 😂 I'm everywhere

click bait

Vizman216 fake news

I guess some angular developers said yeah!!,I knew it XD

Maybe the title is missing a question mark?

+1, since I just learned it

swyx Ex technical lead?

swyx no you should use python 2 and php 5 😂

@Vizman216 # ha ha ha ha ..... Good reply............

Better watch techlead

@Vizman216 lmao nice one

😄

This Ben guy seems like he'll love Angular

😋

Angular is a framework bro

Angular was released in 2010. It's 2020 dude

😂🤣

look who I found here?

No. We have chosen svelte

@@lsagar :p

lol

Agreed, like unless your user base is in Antarctica lol.

It loads forever on my 20 year old flip phone tho...

@@azenics Then its your problem, not mine.

You always have to make the general case faster no matter what.

In big parts of gerrmany there's only 2G, but yeah I get what you mean

Uso de aru!!

QUICK MATH

what project should I make with Vue 3?

@@bawad do an online judge. Because why not?

@@bawad build the youtube!

@@bawad I personally want to try migrating your reddit clone tutorial over to vue 3, once I'm finished with the next.js tutorial. Maybe I'll use it with Nuxt.js

A poll to see what project you should make in vue3

Because it's better. (As a person who started with Vue)

@Vizman216 I started off with Vue as well, but JSX/TSX looks way cleaner and more intuitive. I spend 6 months learning Vue, but React is drawing me in. Tryna get some advice from the god of React @benawad.

Well, autocomplete is better. Although there is an experimental feature you could turn on in vetur vscode extention that makes vue templating almost as good as tsx.

Smaller bundle-size, but slower. Idk, it's not like the majority of your bundle is React itself. Tree-shaking and choosing dependencies smarter would go way further and preserve performance

Do you use Django with react or Django REST API and just react to serve stuff

@@Ahmadavocado Originally I was using Django to serve everything, but about 2 years ago I duplicated most of the functions through REST API, and since Covid-19, completely moved everything over to REST. My blog (a whole CMS I made from scratch) used to be served frontend and backend by Django, but now it’s all REST with a React front end. The Covid-19 app, however, is just a React JS file being served on a blank template HTML file, since it doesn’t use any databases. But I MUCH prefer React/Django, right now I’m working on a video game engine that moves all the enemy/map/audio/character data to components that communicate with the REST server, so the “game” is javascript while the data is REST. It’s so much more powerful that way.

@@JasonBoyce that’s nice to hear! My first project was a custom blog using Django as well haha. It was a totally newbie project but it got me started with Django and some JS basics to handle AJAX. The css was pretty bad and it lacked interactivity but it really made me fall in love with Django! Been pretty busy with school lately but I’m planning to learn react during the sem break and create more interesting projects soon.

@@Ahmadavocado Django is amazing, and there’s so much that can be done with it once you really start digging in. Especially if you switch to REST/React, because then CSS/JS etc all get freed up to run elsewhere, and you don’t need to mix your code bases. I worked on one project a few years ago that took every street tree in San Francisco (trees planted in sidewalks) , about 130,000 of them, and then built a frontend that you could use to figure out which trees were planted where, which ones were in the best conditions, you could select a GPS location and it would rank all the trees around your location, my coworkers would use it to skateboard around neighborhoods and mark sites where they would come back to plant trees later (they LOVED using the app on the phone while they skated), and the City used it when they met with neighborhood groups to talk about where they wanted to target their planting and the benefits it would give. INCREDIBLY useful project, that was ALL Django (frontend, css, js as well), and I would feel much more comfortable with that data in Django & Python than I would in Node or some other server

@@JasonBoyce That sounds amazing, and very practical, I'm inspired! Maybe I could work on something similar in my country haha. Can't wait to learn and progress to your level and beyond. Thanks for your help!

Any cues over why I would prefer Svelte over Vue? (other than any performance benefits if any - it barely applies in current world with ever increasing hardware computational potential in years to come)

@@krozaine I'm new to coding in general. So other experienced developers can probably answer your question better than me. The only thing I can say is, it feels intuitive. Especially for someone coming straight from HTML, CSS and JS. It's very subjective, I know. But that's all I can give you. If you can find some time do give svelte a try. Just jump in and find out if it makes sense for you. That's the best way to know. It's not a huge cognitive load.

Matheus I have no idea where you get ‘jerk’ from. Rich has developed a lot of phenomenal tools for Frontend dev. The list of Svelte contributors is rather large, the community is working hard to mature the environment. I’ve had nothing but great experiences with Rich. Super humble and he is really self deprecating. Also has a pretty dry British sense of humour.

+1 for happiness

Matheus what do you mean a jerk? Even though I’ve not met him in person but his contributions and talks pretty much says he is an intellectual and very humble person.

It's just a simple system of equations

Oh hey, it's you!

I think that's where everyone should be. I think Svelte is peak web development; It just sucks that because of the JS fatigue phenomenom, everybody decided to give up already and they just HAD to settle for React when there are so many better alternatives out there

No yet :c

Hahaha

Article might be written by techlead

techlead video would have been just over 10 minutes long. That's how you know it's not techlead.

@@jamespowers1382 Also, Ben didn't mention he is an ex-Google ex-Facebook ex-husband ex-millionaire

he looks like techlead. hahaha...

Did it improve your perfomance and if so, then how much?

Svelte bundle with large projects works?

Good luck with job market?

@@lubeckable Not everyone is an unemployed web developer

@@Comphonia Maybe the person just migrated some small personal projects that he has for fun, not necessarily an app that is a business? This is definitely ok if you want to experiment and just see what is new in JS frameworks land. I also think that Svelte looks promising, but I'm not sure how it scales because I didn't actually use it to create anything more meaningful.

After inspection on dev github, what an irony its using preact, nice try roasting react on a website build with preact

Since he didn't respond, maybe I can give you my opinion as someone who's used them both: Vue - I love Vue 2 especially class components as opposed to the standard Options API. The class syntax is more readable and works nicely with Typescript getter properties instead of having to created your own computed properties. This syntax is so easy to read and makes refactoring much easier in my opinion. Vue 3 though.... that was a huge breaking change. Although Options API still exists, they abandonded the Class syntax in favor of Composition API, which I think sucks just because I think they're trying to rip-off react and I hate React's hooks. Yes, they have said that it is not at all like React's hooks and I understand that, but the fact that the API "looks" like that makes me think that I'm going to be seeing a lot more messy code just as I've encountered with React components. Other than those things, Vue is amazing for pioneering the Single File Component system; I love that we don't have to write everything in JS like React does, but does not lead to File Hell like Angular; it's the best middle ground using script, style, and template tags. I think all web frameworks should follow this standard, if Vue doesn't ever become the #1 framework. Svelte is even better than Vue. Instead of using a defined component structure (which I like), it basically uses plain JS with a few minor special syntax cases that allow the Svelte compiler to compile down to class componenets. Since it compiles, it does not use a VDOM like React and Vue does at runtime, and it works well, far outperforming its competitors. Learning the additional Svelte code like event handlers doesn't feel like I'm learning special syntaxes, it just feels like I'm importing useful utility functions, keeping things so simple. I think Svelte should be the framework everyone should use right now.

When I host it locally it takes only a bit but I have 16gb of ram. For others in my course it takes for fucking ever. Also it just looks bloated as fuck when you look at the files in VSCode. Can you tell I am noob?

did you learn

You may already know this by now but I think your friend was referring to page refresh, this is true with all Single Page Applications (SPAs). The reason it works is because they use AJAX calls to the server to get data necessary for loading the content of the page rather than doing the process on the main thread and replacing the HTML page completely. I'd look up "static sites vs spas" to get more of a breakdown.

:(

I imagine being a react dev. Looking at a git repo which looks different every time. No rhyme or reason just a bunch of UNDOCUMENTED decisions. I mean you react devs never document anything you do. You pick libs and patterns out of thin air expecting the world to follow them. It would be cute if it weren't so sad.

Tbh I learned vanilla JS for a whole year. Now I'm only focusing on react and I'm already forgetting basic JS syntax lol. People who go right to react r insane and wont last imho

Start underReacting.

@@BobbyBundlez LOL people who jump straight to React will absolutely last, vanilla javascript is very easy to switch back to, at least in terms of syntax.

This should be at top

cannot read property h of undefined.

I suggested in point 3 of the article that one should use Preact instead of React.

Where did you take your 90kB from? Also, Preact is slower. It's better to cut your bundle from elsewhere (such as non-ES libs)

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