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Should You Use a Crush Washer?
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@louispittman7367 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ATF for making a freaking little metal muffler cost more than a used car.
@CL-ty6wp Жыл бұрын
normalized extortion
@virgman87 Жыл бұрын
Where are funding a used car that runs for $1000 these days.
@carolinaplinker 11 ай бұрын
@@virgman87yeah I'm wondering where he's finding these as well
@kentedgar442 10 ай бұрын
Its called looking for cars in places where you normally do not go or talk to people and cheap cars always pop up even on facebook the show up. And lowering your standards also helps as well 😂
@R5RGP 6 күн бұрын
I found a used truck for $500 i just have to rebuild the entire fuel evap system lol @@virgman87
@ADuran-jk6uz 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!! For those of us that are JUST NOW getting into flash hider/muzzle brake, etc. changes - EVERYBODY gives the "hold up of the crush washer", w/ a comment about it, (*the crush washer), going; "like that". YOUR illustration actually SHOWS the crush washer position. THANK YOU!!!
@dirtyswar 4 жыл бұрын
Race track Ant approves of this video
@shookadance 3 жыл бұрын
Muzzle Devices that need to be timed = Shims Muzzle Devices that don’t need to be timed = No Shims General rule there. With that said, always follow your muzzle device/suppressor instructions. Also, you CAN use shims for a muzzle device that doesn’t need to be timed such as a standard 3 prong flash hider, if you’re OCD and want the prongs at a certain position, but it is 100% NOT needed.
@advres 3 жыл бұрын
I finally got my first suppressor a couple weeks back (1-year, thanks ATF). I was about to mount the brake with a crush washer. Thankfully I read Silencerco's directions before I made that mistake. 300 blk nice and quiet now :)
@jeff-ph9bc 3 жыл бұрын
Most excellent explanation of why a crush washer for a suppressor is not a good idea, thanks!
@scott2228 2 ай бұрын
It’s crazy that the AE AEM5 and OCL OCM5 still use a crush washer. Installed one a few months ago. I was so hesitant. But no issues!!
@Condor1970 3 жыл бұрын
I would think, if you use a crush washer, then using a bore alignment rod when installed can ensure no baffle strikes. That said...A new barrel is a lot less expensive to replace with a permanent muzzle break installed, than a grand for a new suppressor.
@bringithard6721 4 жыл бұрын
12 seconds in and I got my Answer thats a like and a sub
@thirdmonkeyent_llc 4 жыл бұрын
You don't need a torque wrench for a crush washer, because it gets to a certain poundage and then just maintains that poundage, because it crushes. That's why you use one. You can time it where you want without going to ridiculous torque numbers.
@thomash4447 6 жыл бұрын
Nice vid...….installing muzzle devices on the AR should be done using barrel blocks, not a clamshell or magwell block. Its the absolute correct way to avoid torque on your index pin/barrel extension.
@fallout1116 4 жыл бұрын
Many newer AR's now have full-length rails, making the use of barrel blocks impossible.
@brunonogueira9353 3 жыл бұрын
@@fallout1116 reaction rod works.
@davidborden654 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I have a Rugged 556 a few weeks (hopefully) to go to be approved by unconstitutional overlords. I ordered 2 Rugged flash hiders for my long guns and will use the weird nubby brake that comes with the can on my 10.5”. Definitely useful information for me - thanks!
@FSUGrad01 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you made this video. This really clears up the issue for me since I'm starting to use a lot of quick detach muzzle brakes with my supressors.
@ctamarack5229 2 жыл бұрын
At Minute 3:10, watch the insect on the thickest shim next to the crush washer, he's using it like a race track!!!! 😂😂😂😂
@notmyrealname2.0 Жыл бұрын
2:12
@ricky110882 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the short answer. 👍
@paulhughes3961 6 жыл бұрын
Although I won't ever use a silencer this was a very good video.
@leatherneckprepper4477 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I learned how not to piss away a grand and an 8 month wait!
@mr.c7021 6 жыл бұрын
NAPA...
@leatherneckprepper4477 6 жыл бұрын
Mr. C 2qt filter for a 454 1979 model huh?
@George-nx5lo 5 жыл бұрын
@@mr.c7021 exactly lol
@asdfjkl981 4 жыл бұрын
If i want a suppressor, i go to the shop, buy it and take it home. No paperwork no extra fees or taxes.
@CaptainCreampie69 3 жыл бұрын
asdf jklö If I want a gun I do the same. Your silencer in Europe doesn’t do its job without the purchase of a firearm first, you just have a paperweight. 😂🤣😂
@OnyxATX 6 жыл бұрын
25 to 30lbs of torque for most muzzle devices. Youre FAR under that. Rocksett (and the like) has caused much more problems than its prevented. Locking compound isnt supposed to replace proper torque and install. Youre spot on about the crush washer, but thats not the proper way to install a qd muzzle device.
@dandrelewis814 Жыл бұрын
Have A 762 x 39 WarComp. Manual Says Use Chamfered Edge Shim.
@nicoscarfo4486 2 жыл бұрын
I throw the crush washers that come with brakes away, I take a normal flat washer and file it down to the timing of the break, you have to get it just the right thickness that when you can't twist the break anymore its timed perfect right at that point, I do this so I dont have to use any type of permanent loctite because I'll change out brakes all the time, if you use this file it to the exact thickness that you cant turn the brake past its proper timing, you dont have to worry about it coming loose or it being permanently stuck on your rifle
@oceres Жыл бұрын
Second time this video has saved me from a baffle strike. Thanks man.
@drnapalm7605 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t have muzzle devices that can be used with suppressors so crush washer is still fine if you’re like me
@highspeed9518 5 жыл бұрын
Heat expands get a $10 silicone oven mit and take it off when its still hot on the gun
@matthewblackwood4704 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's a good idea to loctite a muzzle device or castle nut (stake instead) but on everything else you certainly should. All other screws/threads are small and can't be torqued very tight due to their small size and strength.... therefore loctite on those small fasteners is a must...but use blue on them. I do love the advice about no crush washer for cans and using the shims instead. Being a machinist for 25 years I completely understand how the misalignment will stack up over the length of the can.
@OnyxATX 6 жыл бұрын
Matt Blackwood I agree. 25 to 30 fl/lbs wont just randomly back off. Loctite/rocksett isnt a substitute for proper torque.
@matthewblackwood4704 4 жыл бұрын
@Bryce Czirr then it was never properly installed.
@matthewblackwood4704 4 жыл бұрын
@Bryce Czirr How about you stop telling me when I can comment on a public post? I have removed many factory installed muzzle brakes and such and never saw a single one with threadlocker. Also have built 15+ rifles and never had one come loose. And yes they get used. Maybe a lot of folks use it, not saying they don't, but to say it is recommended, or even necessary is just not the case. If it makes you feel better then use it I guess. I am done. I don't understand the need for being a jerk, but I'm sure you will reply in kind.
@530exc1 3 жыл бұрын
Answered my question perfectly.Thanks!
@thirdmonkeyent_llc 4 жыл бұрын
I have seen baffle struggles l strikes because if crush washers, but it is always with longer, 308 cans. If you are using mini cans and small 556 cans, I think you're ok, but it's still good to do. Cheap is expensive, and expensive is cheap.
@timturner7609 4 жыл бұрын
2:23 it's less that its $1000 and more that it's like a year and a half.
@sojc7144 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!! Tells you what shim size to use..what kind of loctite to use!! Actually, this is the ONLY video that tell's you all of that as far as timing and installing your muzzle brake..so big KUDOS!!..
@Terminal-Fabrication 6 жыл бұрын
Shims and Rocksett. That's how all of my brakes that interface with cans are mounted. I've got no plans to remove the muzzle devices, so that's why I'm ok with using Rocksett. Sure, it's a bitch to get off, but it's still possible.
@DrunkDrynasty 2 жыл бұрын
Soaking it in hot water works surprisingly well. I’ve heard boiling water, but warm water + a few hours and reaction rod + wrench works to break it off. Once it’s off continue to soak barrel in warm water a few minutes to get remaining rocksett off. Then dry and use CLP :) that’s my method anyway.
@robbledot7290 2 жыл бұрын
@@DrunkDrynasty rockset reacts to cold water
@DrunkDrynasty 2 жыл бұрын
OP did you mention using a torque wrench to torque that 15 degrees you accounted for? I missed that part. I use a reaction rod or bev block to prevent putting torque on my barrel/upper connection. Then torque to 30-40in/lbs. seems to be what most manufacturers recommend. If you don’t have a torque wrench just don’t torque so hard that you go over 45-50 inch/lbs or you’ll F up the threads on your nice barrel - which is easier said than done. After doing it a few times you kinda know how much pressure you need to use.
@Theloss52 Жыл бұрын
You’re over thinking it. A flat washers is flat… you’re being misled by the cut out image if the threads, and forgetting that device is round. It will apply even pressure all the way around either way.
@VSO_Gun_Channel Жыл бұрын
Negative
@TheDkb427 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid!!! I can't see spending a grand on a can. Just me tho. Rather have more guns lol. Shoot em if you got em
@joshv06 4 жыл бұрын
I used a crush washer on mine because i needed the thickness of it to extend it out of my rail. It took about 4 crush washer, but I checked concentricity each time. If it wasn't concentric, I tossed the old crush washer and tried a new one. A crush washer is fine, if your muzzle device is aligned. Based off what I did, that was 25% of the time until I got it right. All others would've been a baffle strike. Drill rods come in handy!
@roadglide 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Now...What if you have a separate locking nut up against the shoulder of the barrel end. Should you still use a crush washer between the locking nut and the muzzle brake?
@mrmom22 6 жыл бұрын
you know i''m a plumber by trade and when we threaded something that had to be just so (yes it happens) and it was off by a turn or or less we just cranked on to get it to go into place or we'd use Teflon tape OR PFT tape for purist (i'd guess teflon tape wouldn't work because of melting point) So why would you not just want to just torque down on the brake or qd device
@peterjones6945 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a motorcycle technician and know virtually nothing about guns or firearms in general (British). Teflon = PTFE . Teflon is trademark name even though it's become generic for PTFE tape. I also trained as a machinist. Pipe threads are tapered, compressing pipe and expanding fitting to seal. Parallel machine threads stretch the material and will change dimensions of parts, With fluid it isn't a big deal but fast moving solid objects will have a hard time with dimension changes
@mrmom22 6 жыл бұрын
Peter Jones huh wish I’d been taught that. Very interesting. Thanks bro.
@highspeed9518 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly pete if you over torque your muzzle device you can stretch the crown/barrel and if you do that it will throw your bullets way off and could possibly cause a catastrophic failure/explosion
@LuigiLong 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, and I learned a bunch! Thank you 🙂
@memphis0 Жыл бұрын
thanks my man! this answered my question!
@helvetika7173 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this info!
@james3414 Жыл бұрын
3:12 sugar ant on the middle washer heck yeah
@joshreynolds72 6 жыл бұрын
Crush washers, the lazy and inferior substitute for shims.
@phtevenmolz5030 3 жыл бұрын
Green Loctite just means it's wicking and you don't need to disassemble parts to apply it. There's low torque green that's not even as strong as blue and high torque green that's as strong as the best red. Where do people come up with this stuff?
@anthonyrichardson7543 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this info!
@paulcarrier6305 4 жыл бұрын
Here’s my question, griffin armament makes a a2 blast shield that allowed you to qd on of their cans directly to an at flash hider. A2 flash hiders use crush washers. So are they saying that crush washers are ok to use with a silencer?
@JohnBrowningsGhost 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe, silencers are generally a decent amount larger than what they’re intended for, griffin armament might make up for the a2 flash hider by making the bore of their silencer a lot bigger.
@Radvous 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative but I've actually never heard of anyone using a crush washer with suppressor anyways.
@Xaiborg 4 жыл бұрын
Probably because they would be too ashamed to admit they baffle struck and ruined their thousand dollar can lol
@Radvous 4 жыл бұрын
@@Xaiborg haha maybe 😂
@masafarmi7709 2 жыл бұрын
Guys don't put Loktite on threads, use as many shims as needed. There is different thickness of shims.
@VSO_Gun_Channel 2 жыл бұрын
I said use vibratite or Rocksett. I no longer advocate for vibratite and only use Rocksett. If you are advocating not using a chemical lock for your suppressor mount, you are simply wrong.
@CompanyHaze 3 ай бұрын
But..but...da shims...😂
@sig7798 4 жыл бұрын
So the engineers at Sig have no clue what they are doing?
@Randy_84 Жыл бұрын
Save everyone some time.. DONT USE CRUSH WASHERS.
@Scatch85_YT 2 жыл бұрын
I use shims but also have never had an issue with jam nuts with direct thread suppressors.
@AgileK9TopDog 6 жыл бұрын
So how do you remove a muzzle device that has rockset or your green stuff on it. "Forever" sounds like a no option ever again kind of solution, which I find unacceptable for an accessory.
@reapering125 5 жыл бұрын
blow torch
@jasonlopez4855 2 жыл бұрын
I use the copper washers work's for me. I can make eny thinnest I want to get👍🏽 ODIN works 👍🏽 for my 308win
@peterjones6945 6 жыл бұрын
Crush washers are rarely if ever a good idea on any application that needs alignment maintained. They are soft, (have to be to seal) Shimming with hardened precision shims will maintain flat faces in register but even then you should have an alignment spigot as threads alone cannot accurately align parts .
@Militaryman4455 Жыл бұрын
So, why does Witt Machine send a crush washer with their cans?
@A.C.71 11 ай бұрын
How about do we even need a crush washer for just a flash hider?
@GreggRoberts 3 ай бұрын
Why is it so hard to remove 5/8x24 crush washers? I'm not over tightening but I do have my flash hider positioned to blow upwards.
@adamsmyth584 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, very informative
@454pakr 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@aubreyholmes1235 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect. Thanks.
@kenhelmers2603 6 жыл бұрын
Good info - thanks!
@robertjackson1407 7 ай бұрын
Thank you 😊
@Nerotique 2 жыл бұрын
I've always used a jam nut. Easier to time, and it's reusable.
@acelaya352 Жыл бұрын
@3:01 it looks like you are tightening the brake with a tool through the ports versus using the wrench flats on the brake. Why is that?
@johnnymartinez733 3 жыл бұрын
What about a fake suppressor? No crush washer??? So no matter what use a crush washer right?
@ArmamentAxes 6 жыл бұрын
Did you make this video last Thursday when the storms blew through Ohio? good informative Video Curtis , thanks!
@VSO_Gun_Channel 6 жыл бұрын
Yes actually
@ZoeyBluetheDane 6 жыл бұрын
Plus 5 for storm work
@VenomFirework 3 жыл бұрын
Should have race track ant on the channel again
@904duval8 Жыл бұрын
Question? Can i use a barrel nut with a thread protector on an ar barrel??? The reason i ask is because for one sometimes it comes loose. And for 2 sometimes i want the company sign at the top. But mainly because it comes loose.
@wsvitak 3 жыл бұрын
My crush washer didn’t crush, it split. Couldn’t get it to align before splitting.
@Andyhoots 4 жыл бұрын
thank you. great job
@MadSodaz 5 жыл бұрын
What about a linear comp? Say palmetto states or the KaK Flash Can?
@Jeff-uq7iu 4 жыл бұрын
Just put a kak can on my ar pistol, had to use a crush washer to time it. The website did say the washer wasn't necessary.
@johnviera3884 2 жыл бұрын
For normal people. Get a split washer and a good set of timing shims. Now you can remove and install any muzzle devices and suppressors without any loctite.
@VSO_Gun_Channel 2 жыл бұрын
No. The split washer does the same thing. Use shims and Rocksett.
@johnviera3884 2 жыл бұрын
@@VSO_Gun_Channel I want to be able to use my custom muzzle brake and easily go silent mode when required. Without an acetylene torch or a spare crush washer.
@VSO_Gun_Channel 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnviera3884 buy the dead air mount. You won’t go silent for long if you fuck up that alignment
@johnviera3884 2 жыл бұрын
@@VSO_Gun_Channel I’m not rich like you buddy Does that mount accept every single can?
@VSO_Gun_Channel 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnviera3884 I’m not rich. But blowing up cans makes you poorer. No it does not, you have to check compatibility
@smm2k13 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative!
@mitchf534 3 жыл бұрын
What would cause big inaccuracy but no baffle strikes?
@walterashley149 Жыл бұрын
Great video, instant subscriber!
@billwell9266 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Franchi Momentum I want to use a Rugged razor on. Suppressor should be released from prison any day but I have the extra muzzle device that is going on the gun and the threads on the barrel do not go up to shoulder ... should i just buy a bunch more shims to fill the gap?
@JustinSmith-hr6qg 3 жыл бұрын
One clarification needed personally...is it ok to use a crush washer on a liner comp? KVP magnum 2.25 to be exact. KVP says it’s not necessary but I wonder if it also not advisable.
@jrengo87 6 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about using a crush washer on a 5.56 while using a 30 caliber can.
@leatherneckprepper4477 6 жыл бұрын
jrengo87 I had the same question but I think I’m just gonna shim it
@jrengo87 6 жыл бұрын
DB Cooper I probably will too but I wanna know everything there is to know. BTW, did you get away with all your money or was it lost in the woods?
@VSO_Gun_Channel 6 жыл бұрын
I am going to say it should be alright in this regard; however, once the thing carbons up if you man-bear-pig the can to get it off you may torque the can and the muzzle device off.
@Mithradates_of_Los_Angeles 3 жыл бұрын
tk for the great info!
@Chaosweaver-1 3 жыл бұрын
For a guntec gen 2 micro fake suppressor would you use a crush washer? It mounts on the barrel not over an A2
@duaneshadd777 Жыл бұрын
What exactly is a baffle strike
@DAP-1776 6 жыл бұрын
I think you do use a crush washer for Allen engineering AEM5 cans. For the mk12
@VSO_Gun_Channel 6 жыл бұрын
They are playing with fire.
@germanguppy92 6 жыл бұрын
Considering their extensive use during the OEF and OIF campaigns, I wouldn't worry. Since the can aligns off the collar, not the muzzle device, as long as the muzzle threads are concentric to the bore, it shouldn't be an issue at all. As of late however they have been including shims rather than crush washers due to the repeated questions regarding the use of crush washers. I do see the benefit to the shims as not having to do too much work (both mine, had to turn almost 360 degrees to time properly and they were not that pleasant, would have been much easier if I had gotten a shim kit so it would have only required a 1/8 or 1/4 turn to torque)
@gtrscort1 3 жыл бұрын
What about using a crush washer with the KAK Flash Can?
@johnpawly1849 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info I’m new to doing it the safe way and installing a device for removal or not. Thanks
@theheretic3764 4 жыл бұрын
If you overtime your brake by about 1/8-1/4 of an inch can you simply back it off and realign or do you have to turn another revolution?
@ifc3893 5 ай бұрын
Crush washer cone forward or backward?
@zacharytremblay9481 9 ай бұрын
Direct thread and rocksett
@NickParkerPhoto 2 жыл бұрын
Can you go into the specifics on timing/having a the brake settle where intended after torque?
@Jeff-uq7iu 4 жыл бұрын
Alot of flash hiders,brakes and compensators absolutely need a crush washer to time them correctly! Never over torque them on the barrel shoulder
@BravoJulietAlpha Жыл бұрын
So would you do the same on a direct thread can?
@marsoelflaco5722 Жыл бұрын
Research several reputable resources, and see where the majority stands, then make a decision.
@VSO_Gun_Channel Жыл бұрын
The assumption here the majority has the clarity of mind to make an informed decision not based on “never had a problem (with something I barely use)” and that they have considered the alternatives. At one point in time I would have agreed with you- that many people can’t be wrong right? Yeah, yeah they can. I don’t believe anything the masses come up with these days until I’ve thoroughly vetted it myself.
@marsoelflaco5722 Жыл бұрын
@@VSO_Gun_Channel Absolutely correct. My point is don't just go along with some yocal or wannabe special forces operative. Do the research, general consensus can be helpful, and make your own informed decisions.✌🏽 Merry Christmas!🎅
@jasonlopez4855 2 жыл бұрын
I don't like crush washer no more only copper washers is the best. ODIN works
@The_Tactical_Wook Жыл бұрын
What about linear comp? I got one for my Glock and it came with one
@The1JustinTime 6 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on how to keep a direct thread 5.56 can from backing off?
@VSO_Gun_Channel 6 жыл бұрын
This video
@The1JustinTime 6 жыл бұрын
So Rocksett?
@Skidz1818 4 жыл бұрын
was that a meridian defense hat?/ i just ordered a pestilence model AK from them, it has a 20 week lead time so i won't get it until late Dec or early Jan.
@hrodscith9168 3 жыл бұрын
I have a fake slip over suppressor and it wouldn't fit over my crush washer is it fine to use without it will it effect accuracy ?
@louispittman7367 2 жыл бұрын
Do I need a crush washer with a blast forward device like Spikes tactical Barking Spider?
@4kdemoscene 6 жыл бұрын
Use Flexbar Rockset...
@KevinHullinger 5 жыл бұрын
Well done 👍
@johnboy2621 6 жыл бұрын
Video idea....will all suppressors work on various threaded muzzle breaks
@VSO_Gun_Channel 6 жыл бұрын
No, they are proprietary
@ellissmithjr6599 Жыл бұрын
This video is confusing and I got lost in the contradiction here...🤔 Starts off in saying do Not use crush washers with the suppessors... Then he goes on to showing us the crush washers and how to mount them?🤔... Can anyone explain what is happening here?...
@BravoJulietAlpha Жыл бұрын
Those were not crush washers that he used on it.
@ellissmithjr6599 Жыл бұрын
@@BravoJulietAlpha Ok
@Slingersbullseye 3 жыл бұрын
I got a muzzle flasher for an already weak recoil hopefully now it's like using a laser pointer and group like 10 shots within a hair apart. I didn't get instructions with it, came with a I believe 223 crush ring? But I have a 10/22 and muzzle flasher fits, do I need to use the crush ring? Idk if it's one side fit 233 and other to 22lr Please help
@JamaicanTerror 5 жыл бұрын
Would this work for putting a 1/2 inch on my barrel length to safely fit my surefire can in 556 in my 10.5 inch with a 10 inch rail? If Abby one has info that would be helpful if appreciate it if this won't work
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