Should you use PCie Gen 5 NVMe as a boot drive? Will Windows work?

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Should you use PCie Gen 5 NVMe as a boot drive? Will Windows work?

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The Provoked Prawn

Күн бұрын

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@dennisreese9974 11 ай бұрын

Very timely in my case with a new build in process. Many thanks. You have been most helpful for an old newbie!

@TheProvokedPrawn 11 ай бұрын

Glad to help!

@jpchave8455 6 ай бұрын

Clearly Win 11 24H2 works with a Crucial T700 which is a Gen 5 SSD but take care.......... I own a 1 To Crucial T700 with heatsink and the performance is not at the expected level described in the technical documentation. I use the SSD as a "system SSD" with Win 11 24H2 and numerous softwares and games are installed. During light works the SSD temperature is contained between 60 an 65°c, once the load is higher the temperature increases up to 82°. The transfer speeds given in the technical documentation for sequential reading is 12400 Mb/s and the for sequential writting is 11800 Mb/s. My experience is that when the temperature is around 60° the speeds are close to the documentation values, during heavy load the temperature raise up to 82°c and the speeds are lower than 5 Mb/s (divided by 2.5). This look like to a temperature control loop based on the frequency..... Clearly the T700 SSD does not meet the announced values, my advice is to save money and choose another SSD, Gen 4 for exemple. Having this SSD I have to manage it and I am going to buy an active heathsink. I hope that I will be able to maintain the temeperature lower than 65°.....

@anth5189 8 ай бұрын

Missed an important point. What was the ambient temperature of the room? Someone in a warmer room could run into problems.

@Nicc93 11 ай бұрын

I decided to go with gen 4 for my AM5 build. Works great :) 7800x3d with 7900 xtx and 32gb ram, 2 tb storage.

@tradcatpat2385 11 ай бұрын

I've got an ROG STRIX Z790-I GAMING WIFI with a Crucial T700 1Gb NVME that never goes beyond the mid-50's Celsius. Previously had it in an Aorus Z790 Master and it never broke 50 Celsius in that board. If you're thinking of using a Gen 5 NVME in your motherboard, go for it, the speeds (11,700 Read/9,600 Write) are just FUN!

@nicolaze9593 6 ай бұрын

You using heatsink or without?

@KainsAddiction 4 ай бұрын

Yes, but you can then only use 8 lanes for your GPU slot with Intel CPUs

@Superbed2 3 ай бұрын

⁠@@KainsAddictionsomeone said there’s no graphics card that uses the 16 lanes yet so it’s fine.

@blazedyoda8608 11 ай бұрын

Hello there I just wanted to offer my two cents on some of the concerns I have in this video, I want to start by saying this is the first video I’ve seen of yours and I have subscribed to your channel. This is by no means intended as hate or disrespect, more just wanting to give some feedback and help improve the channel. 1. I noticed while you used a lot of synthetic loads to put pressure on the drive there was no real world sustained use case pushing this drive and truly seeing how it performs in the short-medium term at least. Might I suggest running this drive as the main windows drive as you work on it to edit the videos, while downloading a game and uploading a KZfaq video? Just truly push this drive and find out it’s limit both architecturally and thermally. 2. I noticed you used Fortnite and unigine heaven in this video. Fortnite is not a good use case to show for gaming as it runs on practically all systems (including smartphones) with no real issues whatsoever for drives. I think trying out games that could have poor optimisation on pc such as any of the Sony titles or maybe games that sony showed off with their own nvme drive like ratchet and clank rift apart this would’ve been a better real world choice. I think using unigine heaven was a bad move, you could’ve used unigine superposition instead it’s also free and a far better option to test hardware like this and push your pc to its limits therefore generating a lot of heat increasing the ambient temps inside the case. I’m not sold on the fact heaven did this sufficiently. In conclusion I love your voice, Narrative and the format of the videos, it’s always nice to see a fellow Brit makes videos with tech and talk about this stuff I feel KZfaq is just absolutely flooded with Americans and Canadians whom opinions on hardware don’t always match up what we feel in Europe due to the prices and availability differences of hardware of the two continents. I hope you take on board some of my criticisms and that it makes the channel better. Great video and I wish you luck in the future!

@TheProvokedPrawn 11 ай бұрын

It was used for gaming and downloading and all the things you have mentioned but I just didn't include all that in video form as it would make it far longer.

@DizConnected 5 ай бұрын

I KNOW it's a complete waste of money, but I just bought a Crucial New T705 4TB PCIe Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD - Up to 14,100 MB/s. I'll try the heatsink cover that came with it the Motherboard, but I expect I will have to buy a much beefier M.2 heatsink to keep it under 81C where it starts throttling. On another note, I LOVE ITX builds and this is the 1st time I've seen this Corsair case and really like it!

@MegaDrTaz1 4 ай бұрын

How is it? Is it reliable and feasible? I’m about to buy the 2tb coz my gen4 mp600 died, i want to use it as a boot drive and install most of the softwares on it, my pc airflow I would say about average.

@DizConnected 4 ай бұрын

@@MegaDrTaz1 It's a great drive...That I don't recommend to 99% of users. If you don't work with massive size video files, 4K HDR, 8K HDR, then you don't need this drive. I didn't need this drive, even tried to cancel the order before it shipped, but it was to late and I didn't want to go through the hassle of sending it back. SO I recommend you getting a 4TB Gen4 M.2, it should even be cheaper than the T705 and you WILL NOT notice ANY difference!

@simptrix007 11 сағат бұрын

@@DizConnectedyou would be much better buying enterprise SSDs. Optanes are great system drives and if you pair them with U2/U3 big capacity drive that doesnt drop the speed after cache is gone you are golden.

@FischtankProductions 12 күн бұрын

I have a Gen 5 Drive and a Gen 4 Drive as well, Should I put Operating System on Gen 4 and games on Gen 5? How do you think I should set that up to Utilize both drives?

@ZackSNetwork 10 күн бұрын

Put the Gen 5 SSD in the high speed PCIE slot closest to the CPU. Make it the boot drive since it’s the fastest SSD. As far as games go put them on the drive that has the most capacity. You don’t want to completely fill up an SSD because it makes them run slower over time.

@Julie9009 8 күн бұрын

Correction: At 4:44, TPP says "the max temp is 75 C, which is 10 degrees less than the max that would cause a problem" NOTE: 85 degrees C is the max NON-OPERATING temperature, and the max operating temperature (as shown at 3:47) is 70 degrees C. So at 75 C, it is running 5 degrees hotter than the specified operating temperature range

@Platinumdose420 3 ай бұрын

why did you try ripping the thermal pad off? that's not reccommaneded!!!

@TheProvokedPrawn 3 ай бұрын

Because people keep telling me that they do and I should and I wanted to show that was nonsense

@abdull-malik 3 ай бұрын

How much boot windows ?

@Linkolnverse 8 ай бұрын

Built in fan on the motherboards nvme port? OH hell yes.

@patrickfrensdorff7485 10 ай бұрын

why buy a seagate? if a brand has the most broken stuff in hardware it is seagate...

@TheProvokedPrawn 10 ай бұрын

🤔🤔🤔

@MhillPlays 8 ай бұрын

Seagate is a very well established hard drive manufacturer since the 90’s. They are solid, just Gen5 needs revising due to throttling problems. They get hot too fast to be reliable for a boot drive. Personally I’d avoid Gen5 nvmes for the foreseeable future, not that we even need these speeds for day to day things.

@QuantizStudioRecords 7 ай бұрын

Lol...I use Seagate Firecuda M2 gen 5...10 000 mhZ ...another gen 4. 7300Mhz...and those are briliant and very speedy

@ThunderGod9182 5 ай бұрын

@@QuantizStudioRecords mhz is not the right term for drives...

@serolog 5 ай бұрын

@@ThunderGod9182neither they are for RAM yet you knownwhat he means😅

@markstever401 9 ай бұрын

Another great video. Thanks! Are there concerns with Gen 5 ssds taking up PCIe capacity from the GPU?

@beaup314 9 ай бұрын

Resort to your motherboards manual in pcie NVmE config. It will tell you what each lane will effect if there is any change. But from what I’ve seen a pcie 5.0 on a cpu lane will not effect the pcie x16 for gpu

@calldeltosell Ай бұрын

Excellent.

@TheProvokedPrawn Ай бұрын

👍🏼

@arifnurabidin2509 9 ай бұрын

What game tittle do you test??

@eury360 7 ай бұрын

You probably should not set the Gen5 as the boot drive because you may want to upgrade that later on as speeds increase. This way you won't need to waste time cloning the boot drive

@MandM89 11 ай бұрын

Hi,ok : Could you show the temperature difference between the original Lian Li Lancool 3 and SL-INF 140 case fans, and between SL-INF 140 and Lian Li SL120 INF in Aio and case? :)

@Xhaosification 11 ай бұрын

That would be really informative video. Curious as well.

@KainsAddiction 4 ай бұрын

Bought a T705 Gen5 M.2 and a 4080 Super, but reading the mobo manual just realized I can only use one at it's full potential and it's killing me trying to decide. I saw your video basically showing there is really only a 10% GPU decrease. Just so hard to choose if read/write speeds at almost double the rate is worth the sacrifice. Do you have a personal preference on this?

@TheProvokedPrawn 4 ай бұрын

I wouldn't worry about it. The impact is next to nothing

@KainsAddiction 4 ай бұрын

@@TheProvokedPrawn I appreciate it

@deanpartridge9545 7 ай бұрын

Hi iv just bought a strix b650e-e board it has to gen 5 slots and 2 gen 4 slots. Problem is the botton gen 5 slot shares lanes with gpu. Question is shall i put my os on gen 5 top slot snd use a gen 4 slot for my games. Please help lol

@TheProvokedPrawn 7 ай бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ebplaNmYytvMgKM.html

@AuF5guy 6 ай бұрын

Running Win 11 Pro on Crucial T700 2TB, been pretty stable thus far.

@TheProvokedPrawn 6 ай бұрын

nice!

@jpchave8455 6 ай бұрын

I agree but have a look on my comment just above

@TheSocialGamer 9 ай бұрын

Also not having your Tower on a Rug even low pile rugs are stuffy to the bottom of the case.

@JarppaGuru 11 ай бұрын

why windows would not work

@Choconuss 9 ай бұрын

in these days is it worth get gen5 as bots drive? over the gen4! i heard gen5 r hot! so not sure if as a boot drive its actually hot

@wolfwilkopter2231 11 ай бұрын

I'm very happy with my 2TB Samsung 990Pro as OS drive, powering my 5800X3D System. It sits comfortably under a Acidalie VB01 in Black and runs more than well. No need for hot and expensive Gen5, wouldnt make any meaningful difference. JFYI: Samsung finally has brought the 4TB Model to the market.

@rickfelz7148 9 ай бұрын

The amount of copium on this comment is insane

@wolfwilkopter2231 9 ай бұрын

@@rickfelz7148 and where exactly is the "copium" hidden in this comment? c'mon tell me, i'd like to know, where i hid it, i've been searching for for weeks, but cant find it...and yet here you are, claiming to have found it...

@soapa4279 8 ай бұрын

I agree. I have a 990 Pro 4TB. And yes Gen 5 drives really really really are pointless for a majority of people at this moment. Drive speeds really are no longer the bottleneck and a super fast Gen 4 drive is more than plenty for everything. Maybe in 3-5 years time we'll see a need for Gen 5, but right now it's a waste of money.

@serolog 5 ай бұрын

Not sure how anyone can say that they don’t need a drive that is 25% faster. Managing side effects is a different matter but c’mon

@wolfwilkopter2231 5 ай бұрын

@@serolog They dont matter other than a few very specific workstation tasks, where their speed uplift does make a difference... But in most scenarios, they dont make a significant difference, as in most real world applications and usages, there isnt even much of a difference between a SATA SSD and a GEN3 or 4 NVME, other than pure direct data copying or maybe boot up speeds...with the latter just differentiating in just a mere few seconds... So NO just watching at the pure, mostly synthetic speeds and waste a crapton of money on it and having to deal with the drawbacks... Why should anyone do this, when Gen4 is more than just sufficient, costs half of Gen5 and doesnt get nearly as hot?

@mistahj8968 8 ай бұрын

Have a 1 tb 990 pro, Im good. Might as well get a 4tb 990 pro for games soon tho

@cn-cz3nc 4 ай бұрын

so i got 3 crucial t705 gen 5 nvmes in raid 0 but its on a gen4 board because i have a14900k right now but its on ddr4 and i havent decided if im just going to upgrade my intel setup to a ddr5 or really for almost the same amount of money i can build a 7800x3d + ddr5 + ddr5 motherboard but anyway im getting 22,000mb read and write and its so freakin fast on everything in windows i mean it just feels insane i dont care what people say windows snappyness increases

@thebebee 11 ай бұрын

accidentally early and thriving

@TheD4VR0S 8 ай бұрын

If you add a heatsink should you remove the sticker ?

@paolodinorscio8872 6 ай бұрын

yes

@dystopia-usa 4 ай бұрын

Unnecessary, unless you are a professional benchmarking e-athlete.

@massoudwazir6389 3 ай бұрын

I have Samsung 990 pro 4 tb m.2 and aorus z790 Elite AX Motherboard i I don't why windows 11 boot time is so slow about 50 seconds

@TheProvokedPrawn 3 ай бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bct9Y9uJl5-Xoqs.html

@trumiran 6 ай бұрын

Does the person recording this video realize that stickers conduct heat poorly? If you are already creating such resci, it may be worth considering what you are doing to avoid misleading people. All stickers and foils should be removed before installing the cooler, and this applies to the radiator and the m.2 disk.

@TheProvokedPrawn 6 ай бұрын

Does the person making this comment realise that some of the "stickers" are copper backed and conductive. Additionally, there's a reason the manufacturers tell you not to remove them.

@trumiran 6 ай бұрын

@@TheProvokedPrawn If I see correctly, the sticker was on both the disk and the heat sink. If the stickers contained copper, they would probably conduct electricity, which is an easy way to short circuit. Can you write where in the instructions for the motherboard and this SSD it says not to remove stickers and foils?