Yeah if you like fat shots and bladed rockets use the leading edge

Nothing says “hero” like chipping with only one hand.

Or closing eye’s with one hand! 😆@@bigboypantsgolf

@@bigboypantsgolf lol. you were impressive w the 1 handed chipping

What I found shocking was that I am best going one handed. At least in practice.

@@bigboypantsgolf i suspect you are guilty of top hand steering

@@macheesmo3 it’s something much more sinister than that.

"my chipping went from shit to really good" 🤣.... same here... if ur struggling, just switch up to a pitching wedge for chipping... stay away from 60 - 58 - 52 - 50... when u get better than experiment with loftier wedge..

Head completely still on ball works about everytime ! It's that temptation to peek ! You can over complicate it !

Definitely going to work on left hand low in addition to one handed chipping as I began the warrior’s journey to becoming the best chipper in the world.

Left hand low chipping/pitching is like the broomstick putter. It's great for people who have the yips.

Questionable use of the word “but” here.

“Just a zero.” The best golf humble brag there is.

@@bigboypantsgolf0’s are a dime a dozen at the girls golf academy in Seoul

@@isambo400 that’s ridiculous

@@bigboypantsgolf lol classic

I need to do this more

Practicing too much usually just imbeds bad habits. Best to play the course and adapt to each shot as it comes up. Grinding away on a practice range is soul and game destroying

Agreed. I'm 74 now and I play about 3 times a month and the only practice I get is a little putting if I'm early enough at the course. For chipping, I use a 7, 8, or 9 iron close to the green and try to get it rolling as quickly as possible. I only use a wedge to loft the ball over something from 10 to 20 yards out and I try to use the leading edge as I've skulled more than a few trying the bounce.

Only time I used bounce is in sand. I'm not conscious of using edge or bounce when chipping. Whatever works for the particular shot. @@Diogenes-ty9yy

This is going on the fridge.

I saw some video of Phil recently where he wants people to have fast hands (but slow clubhead) when chipping/pitching which lines up with your drive the handle. From my understanding the shortgamechef camp wants you to intentionally use the bounce (versus having it as backup).

@@bigboypantsgolf obviously Phil and Spieth are phenomenal hands players. The interesting thing about driving the handle is that it tends to work when you're young probably because you have less trauma if you it fat lol. The reason why I say that is that the amount of players that come to me for a lesson after chipping this way successfully when they're young but always seem to have real trouble when they're older. It's always the same. Their hands get really quick outpacing their body and their path as a result gets very steep. Once they use the right hand drill they can finally feel the club release and the body move back and through. Instantly they start chipping better. However if u can do leading edge, the results are obviously there too but it seems to be the technique that can lead people into a lot of trouble in the long run.

@@davitiger14 Phil points out in a recent video that you’ve got to use your shoulders on the way back (versus just your arms and hands). I think the teaching trend was/is going to use the bounce..but then Joseph Mayo fixed Hovland’s chipping by going leading edge. As Brendon points out..pros are playing on different conditions than those of us at 40 dollar munis.

I can’t do freezers. Yet.

​The first practice freezer was solid. Then you stepped up and hit it. I was like... maybe you only freeze on the practice? Then you put up your admission and I realized you are human. One of us. Great video. The day some coach can figure out how to trick the brain to replicate the practice swing immediately after said practice swing will be the day the greatest coach to ever live is* made. Edit @@bigboypantsgolf

@@joewiley6927 freezers are ridiculously hard for me. On any shot: chips, putts, pitches, full swings. I’m too used to just slapping at the ball.

You can’t putt from the fringe forever.

You just put out a great analysis of hinge and hold! I may be going to cross handed and one handed chipping.

I’ve got to work on handle up through impact versus just stabbing at it.

@@bigboypantsgolf I definitely work on handle up coming into my full shots (via extending the pelvis). Video of Hogan in his prime show him really extending the pelvis as the left leg is straightening. It is a great goal. Hogan talked about having his stomach face the target at impact. He never really did this until P8 but it is a great goal to have. Good luck with it. It _may_ be harder to feel it with shorter pitches and chips though.

lol good one

Totally possible. But then look at Morikawa when he blew the 6 stroke lead in Hawaii.

Going to try this. Or Botox my left hand before chip shots.

Can confirm botox also produces results

@@bigboypantsgolf lol classic

Monahan says the same thing each time.

@@bigboypantsgolfsure does.

@@bigboypantsgolfmost everything you drop is pretty good but your iconic stuff is your 1 man breakdowns using a little thing called evidence (like your usga rules stuff and …you know.) It’s been a minute since the last one.

Phil does have more major wins than Dan.

@@bigboypantsgolf True. Also more tour wins. Other short game gurus also say to use more bounce on most shots. There are many factors involved. Club choice. How much bounce is on the wedge. Grass type. Lie. How club is delivered. Wrist, hands, arms and rotation. Too much to consider that can influence the shot.

@@guitar1950 my short game drastically improved when I started using the bounce. Basically you want to have as many shots in your bag as possible. I don’t feel comfortable using the bounce off of tight lies.

@@bigboypantsgolf Yes, bounce is your friend but not on tight lies!

Try it one handed: ball comes off very soft.

I am not sure if this is good or bad or you should be trying to try another method to get to “great chipper” level.

What does Grieves say?

What does Grieves say?

​@@bigboypantsgolf he uses both. Depends on the situation. His youtube is very good. His book is excellent.

@@bigboypantsgolf Not familiar with his three releases??

@@mntlblok I’m familiar with 84 releases. 7 of which have been deemed illegal. 8 of which are still seeking government approval. So you need to be more specific.

Wedge Wizard: good stuff. Please add your input once you’ve finished the vid and give it a yay or nay.

I thought I was doing freezers until I saw the video. It’s gonna take a minute.

This makes complete sense. When I use both hands I use zero body and just stab at the ball.

​@@bigboypantsgolf this short video made a big difference to my chipping. It doesn't mean you won't stuff up a chip any more but hit far fewer. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aJ57Y6-G3KmdkXk.htmlsi=Xj-I_7eImINC_aii

And it makes sense because one handed makes you feel the weight of the clubhead more which is vital. Its why I keep left hand as light as possible on the club, its just along for the ride. Shoulder turn should be much more horizontal as opposed to a tilting action used in the full swing. Shallows delivery thru impact.

Phil is weight on forward foot. So it’s got to be kind of steep.

He exaggerates to get the point across, but everything he says is true.

Does the video say right and wrong?

@@bigboypantsgolf well the title is ‘should you use the leading edge or the bounce’ and that’s what the big picture argument seems to be at the moment. why choose? just different techniques and you don’t need to fall into a category, you can learn from and use both successfully.

Brendon does mention that the lie on the tour lends instead to being more able to use the bounce.

It’s weird how I am too. But never gave it a try until post this chat with Brendon.

Depends on the batter and the pitch count. Analogous to the lie on the golf course. However, what the leading edge vs the bounce is referring to is specifically the terminology that Joe Mayo and The Shortgame Chef use. Mayo talks about the leading edge. SGC refers to the bounce.

@@bigboypantsgolf so leading edge out of bunkers, deep rough, tight lies, hard pan, wet conditions? Use bounce for tight dry fairways, hard sand, extra fluffy grass??? In chipping and pitching there's a common concept of some people are diggers some people are Pickers and some people are sweepers. When you factor everything in your equipment should fit your stroke and it's going to be very short specific. I highly doubt any professional golfer is just using the Leading Edge or just using the bounce primarily. If they do maybe they've committed to one stroke and that's fine too. My point was that it's not as cut and dry as one or the other unless you're going to work through all the variables and possibilities and find things that match you your stroke and your equipment. So my point about the pitcher in baseball was that some have a specialty pitch they use but they also use a bunch of different types of techniques. Either way it's not something you just have a generic approach to. It takes time and effort to figure out which one you are and which one to stick with. One type might not work for you! Back to the analogy of a baseball pitcher some I might have a super fast fastball so you wouldn't take that person to make them a knuckleball pitcher because the short game Chef said that's the better technique.

@@bigboypantsgolf sorry going to Bow out. Tired of these stupid Online technical discussions that don't accomplish anything.

@@jacobr4558 thanks for dropping in!

Brendon clearly says that the PGAT courses conditions make it more favorable to using the bounce. Whereas many of us don’t play on that type of agronomy.

Yes, but he’s playing courses in great condition. I’m on golf courses straight out of Naked and Afraid.

Now I’m going to be hypnotized by this comment.

I just read that Spieth is best classified as ambidextrous

@@bigboypantsgolf Golf has turned me almost ambidextrous! but im still right handed ie i can have a gentle rally left handed at table tennis i would have whiffed every time b4 golf, its a weird feeling!

PS look at Spieths power strength co-ordination of his left arm through the ball does anyone come close maybe morikawa

@@grahamjones7371 I am 99 percent right handed in everything. I can barely dribble a ball with my left hand.

Sometimes the Hail Mary flop shot is the only shot we have.

I will have to reflect on this in one of my twice weekly chipping sessions.

@@bigboypantsgolf I like to have a simple mantra: S H I T Swing it back too far Hold on and pray Ignore the massive divot Turn to the fellers and say it’s tricky into the grain If I get a bad lie it’s Figure out at least if you hit it way too hard it’s not chunking it Usually turn round and say ‘caught a flyer’ Clock if anyone is looking Kick it onto a nice lie

@@1DCCX lol.

Or how good a swing you actually put on the ball... 😊

Asking the wrong questions is a step towards asking the right questions.

That’s how you start a Ted Talk.

Maybe.

@@bigboypantsgolf no maybe about it IMHO of course! Lefty just keeps the rate the dynamic loft increases way more stable through impact, sets it more lofted by setting the clubhead rotation and altering the lie angle at address. If he wants to hit it high he adds more at address relative to those who manage throwaway. Others have a higher rate of loft increase through the strike. But also a softer strike. Depending on how it is hit can apply a lot of friction, and energy is managed. Lefty has to hit it with a lot of speed to generate friction, really loft up, open the leading edge more relative to the second technique. Pros and cons to both. Can be aggressive with Lefty style and it not take off on you. Other style has a lot of variation. Softer impacts. Depends on temperament as well. Lots of people with different pace and style of short game - you could say Olazabal is the best chipper but Luke Donald arguably had the best short game. Ray Floyd trying Tom Kite or Donald trying Olazabal or Brett Rumford trying Thomas Bjorn’s style - probably ruin each of the others. No doubt they could all pull off a lot of shots but not to a world class level. If you’re consistent with both the margin for error is about the same, the second technique something has to keep moving to apply some forward shaft lean, or, if you are striking it at low point, avoid the leading edge rising - left hand, right elbow, sternum/pivot, arms - something has to keep travelling ahead of the clubhead to avoid skulling it on a shallow angle of attack. Both allow the bounce to be used though. And you want peak bounce mid sole with decent camber and heel and toe relief. Like a V grind. No doubt about it - all shots are hit with shaft lean in some dimension, the bounce is engaged to a more or less extent, and the biggest difference is temperament. Play shots that match your temperament or go to your golfing grave.

@@1DCCX I didn’t know that Thomas Bjorn’s chipping style was noteworthy.

@@bigboypantsgolf check it out. Similar to Brett Rumford but more longer levers, pivot driven, longer lever, fold the left elbow post impact. Lots of loft, speed and friction. Has the flow of float loading it onto the front leg then back up the pivot to shallow the strike you see with a lot of great chippers like Ollie and Rumfrod, 10-15 degrees shaft lean in the transition then takes it out.

Fat u bottom girls make the world go round. - Spinal Tap

@@bigboypantsgolf Bumcakes. 😆

Says golfers that can’t chip.

No it’s not. You just don’t really understand. It’s 2 different techniques that both work.

Bounce was added in about the 1920s purely to help elevate the clubhead in sand. By about 1947 in Ben Hogan’s book it stated to be used for pitch shots, deliberately hitting heavy.

Joseph Mayo. Victor Hovland.

@@bigboypantsgolf obviously mayo's technique can work, but the moron saying that using the bounce causes people to blade it is a hack. There are people all over the spectrum. Jason Day has a generational short game and is as shallow as can be while using the bounce. When low point doesn't matter it is *way* easier to not fuck up. Not saying Mayo's technique is bad, again.