In my opinion this is the best FPS since a longggg time. Havent had this much fun in FPS since BO3 times.

The Finals will be fine. It will age like fine wine

I don’t understand why shroud is speaking like the game failed and can’t ever succeed. The game has a dedicated community that has been consistent. Thats step 1. It hasn’t even been out a year.. Do people not remember Apex! It took forever for that game to get to where it is now. Success aren’t made over night. It takes time to be a top played game.

if this game fail, then we are the problem. It has every element to be great.

Theres nothing wrong with the game, its people being choosy and not having skill.

Lol at the comment saying "It's not fun" Bro the game is hella fun. The destruction in this game is amazing every time

The Finals feels like it’s ahead of it’s time right now

Every game isn’t for everyone. The vibe I felt on release, from the lobby, kills, arena brought back feelings, excitement, and joy that I haven’t felt for any game in a long time. Regardless of what the game goes through this is the game for me. Even took me from Apex. So doesn’t really matter how streamers feel the game is great to me and many people who enjoy it will feel the same.

I’m actually looking forward to playing season 3 looks like it’s going be really good

No way people actually think Xdefiant is anywhere near as good as The Finals lmao.

The finals to me is such masterpiece to me. The music, sound design, gameplay... It's amazing to me and I won't let everyone change the way I feel about it

It’s not dead, People go off steam charts and fail to see that it has a huge community on Ps5 and Xbox

I agree but I think the finals releasing before it’s time is good. The finals will hit its peak potential around season 5 I think. I think it’s great now but it’s trending upwards and we need to hope the peak happens when interest resurfaces

We just gotta keep playing and supporting the game until the day that it does really blow up, and hopefully we can keep it going until then. I just hate it when good games struggle to stay afloat because they just didn't catch on (Spellbreak is my most recent thought) so I hope The Finals can stick around for the future.

i feel like there is going to be a time where this game will be picked up in popularity again. and im happy to know i was here from the start.

I feel like although the competitive aspect is definitely where the finals has the peak potential, as in, how well executed team composition shows off most of the aspects of any single match the best; the game itself in its core is very low-stakes and casual in comparison to modern FPS fads, be it battleroyales or extract shooters in the other end of the spectrum, the Arena Shooter is inherently extremely laid back. And although it excels as a laid-back deathmatch, the overemphasis on ranked play at least in the streamers' side eventually drove the game to becoming a month-long fad. As Shroud said, if this were released in a particular time where people wanted Arena Shooters, it could've seen a lot more mainstream attention, however, as a big fan of embark and player who pays a lot of attention to the inner workings of the game, I believe this game has the core game design, direction and standards good enough to, as another commenter said, age like fine wine.

I think the key piece this game is missing is Esports and official tournaments. Cause let's be honest, this will be insanely fun to watch and it will probably bring more people to the game. Besides, The Finals is already set up thematically to be an Esport game, so why not go there?

Season 3 is going to be great. They are clearly playing their cards in the best way they possibly could. Working on making cashout the best it can be with World Tour, and refining TA. Focusing on refining modes to make them as good as possible through things like world tour and ranked TA could be super crucial to having a flourishing future

all I feel like I'm seeing when you boil it down is "why isn't this more like cod?" I know no one is literally saying that, but it just feels like because it's different compared to those types of games people can't enjoy it

The Finals is the best FPS game and idk what happened to shroud... Also when you have people who like fps games having brain rot from COD/Valorant its hard to rewire their brain into playing something else. The Finals have everything great FPS game needs and it is a great fps game.

Funny that Embark are chasing the extraction shooter fad with arc raiders but had so much fun demoing the Finals prototype that they rolled with it. It's genuinely fun and they wanted to share it with the world, but it's not what everyone wanted. I feel like at this point we're just waiting for other games to fuck up to pick up their pieces. After seeing the latest community update video I'm optimistic but like with every live service game time will tell. Hope to see everyone in S3.

Season 3 Hype!

I love the finals and have loads of fun with it.

Guys, the game is doing fine and has Good playerbase you can join at anytime and find a match and Enjoy The good thing is this community know what they want and hoped for in a Video Game im Happy to play this game and ill support it forever

I don't know what to say except that we need this destructions physics on the next battlefield.

if embark could sponsor streamers, maybe this game will gain more attention. there are so many fps game fans out there and there are deinitely some that might like the finals.

I was definitely looking for this kind of game. its a perfect fit for me.

Keep it going guys. The most important thing is to listen to the community as a whole and not just a single streamer. Read comments and look at what people are complaining about and try to adjust. Do that and you will have a loyal fan base

Another thing im noticing is that it is super hard for me to get people to try the finals out like this weekend I played with some friends other games and than we talked about some upcomming stuff what we could do next and when I brought up the Finals the first thing was " ohh that game still exists and it look so cool on realeas but i havent tryd it yet" and when i asked wanna jump in and try out the new season the answer was no. Like i dont know why people dont wanna try it out its free.

They need a casual mode with big teams like a battlefield. When you have small teams you feel lots of pressure and can't relax. As a new player or a casual you will enter a game and just get walked over and quit. The movement, destruction, and gunplay for the finals is some of the best on the market.

i love the finals, having so much fun in the game. Maybe they need some standard game modes like domination or capture the flag - could be rly fun with the destruction. And maybe at some time add some weapon customisation. I dont know what there Plans are for the future but maybe do a survey and find out what the playerbase wants or player who arent playing what they wana see so they come back. Lets see what the future brings

The day will come and The Finals Go 📈 it has really everthing , action, blowing up everything , fun , Speed,tactical and more ….. The Time comes i Hope it for The devs.

It still has the core community, I’m not gonna abandon the game no matter what. I love it, it’s the most fun I had in an FPS since BF4

I feel like the game's popularity has been fine, it's not the most well-known game but it only cam out a year so.... Also, I enjoy the game itself personally, it have some interesting mechanics and stuff to play with. But i think the main problem with the finals is that some gamers may be putting too much expectations on those fps game, so people starts quitting I guess

A lot of people who say “what went wrong” have not revisited the game since s1 and like people said. The game has not been out for a year. Game still has a strong dedicated community because the potential and promise is there

I think where they went wrong was loosing the 'hype game show theme'. Season 2 was just like meh? idk

Diamond 💎 player here , I love Embark an the talented ppl in the studio. Season 3 looks beautiful and FUN - seems like ppl don’t like Fun anymore

Saw him playing Power Shift today, kept complaining about shields and heals while running Mesh Revolver while chat constantly kept telling him to use glitch nades or barrels. He either read it and completely ignored it or he chose to ignore chat for the entire match while complaining all the way through

the finals is just too good for the average person to understand

Honestly the one standout moment where I was like "ehhh not so sure about this game..." was C4 + carriable nuke. It very quickly turned meta to just run around as a heavy with 2 C4 strapped onto a poison barrel instead of actually shooting people and it just took way too long to nerf correctly. On top of that there was the double whammy effect of cheaters using that keyboard into controller spoofing exploit which ruined a lot of lobbies for me personally. I still play The Finals; I think it's awesome. People need a reason to give it another shot though.

Season 3 has got me by the balls, i absolutely love unique n cool weapons in an fps. A season full of non typical non auto weapons is amazing.

bro were getting a new katana for medium it seems like its goanna be the meta

I think what made a lot of people stop playing were the hackers. In the past, there would be at least 1 in every ranked match. I even stopped playing for sometime because of it. I've been trying to get back into it but I can see why some people dropped the game entirely

The Finals is probably the best shooter to play right now. Its just fun

im sure if they had a battle royale they would do it would massively blow up

I think it’s the game mode, it’s simply not what people are used to, I think if the finals introduced itself with more traditional game modes then more people would have invested

I've been playing for a long time, and I actually think all the gadgets should be unlocked from the start. Unlike when it was first released, the entrance for new players needs to be wider now.

A very large portion of gamers have never even heard of THE FINALS. Most gamers didn't watch the awards show where it was released. The only way to stop this game is to take the servers offline and anyone who's played THE FINALS knows that.

they should make bank it rank instead or a fast paste mode like it

I think the biggest reason for the distaste for the finals is that there IS NO reason, people are just so used to the games they have before and have found a type of gaming that they just like, and that's fine. It is OK to not like The Finals, the problem starts when they don't realize their own preference of genre and project their unfounded hatred onto others, and tend to just go with the wind because they don't really have any other excuse, "everyone else hates it so it must be bad, dead game." If the game picks up steam in the future, many of these people may just change their minds. In my personal opinion, I have never played a game I enjoy more than this in my entire life. I find it hard even headache inducing to play FPS titles, but that's just me. I joke about COD players being boring, but if they like it, then more power to them, but I would never force someone to like this game if they don't like it, its always personal preference.

The finals is the best game out right now hands down, people just don't want to try and play it

I love The Finals! It’s given the PVP player in me something to reach for and work at becoming good at. And for me, the changes they are making are challenging me as a player. Do I love Terminal Attack, not so much compared to Ranked Cashout. But I’m willing to give it a shot and improve my game. Shroud is correct, lighting in a bottle is hard to catch. I do want to see this game succeed!

🤓I've played The Finals for 150 hours. Tried to rank in season 2 but lost every tournament, so I stuck with Platform. The late season 2 update introduced Terminal Attack, which I loved! Unlike tournaments where not qualifying means starting over, you get to play multiple rounds quickly in Terminal Attack. This mode makes you think fast and strategize, boosting confidence for world tours. The game's main issue? People avoid it due to its unique mechanics. It's early days, but it's all about timing. Plus it's hard to stick solo or duo in a tournament- we need more friends.

I honestly think the biggest issue is the weapons for most people. The iron sights on a lot of weapons are trash combined with recoil. I know skill issue, but I’m just saying the best options are FCAR and MP5 strictly because they have short range optics.

The only thing this game need is a casual game modes, domination, team deathmatch, hard-point, I’ve been following this game since they first announced and this game is awesome but the casual gamers are the ones who makes the games successful, ask Epic.

Its a sad age when one streamer can say a game is dead and all their fans just believe it. The sway they have over the consumers is disappointing

If finals came out on ps4 I would have played it but it didn’t, I genuinely think that had a lot to do with it

Personally i think it didnt *Stick the landing* was because it wasnt advertised to 100s of millions of people on social media like every mainstream AAA game out there nowadays. i think itll be fine for the next 5 years easy.

It's because everyone was too busy playing helldiver's when it first came out

Idk I feel this is a pretty solid take tbh and I agree with it in a sense but bad timeing was not the result because I mean this last year we came off a really middle of the road cod migration were the devs just couldn't keep the game in mind for the casuals and competivite players me being one of them had like many others left as the cycle Is and then Xdefiant not soon after with a rather small beta that people loved then we had this big pause of man I wish I had something awesome to play in this pause while we wait and that's when this game stepped into the arena like it could of not have been perfect to try to swoop in and try to grab as many players as they could truely it wasn't about the timeing I think. I just think it was the fact most gamers are spoiled by daily shop with new content each week on a bigger scale than the last and 3 or 4 small bundles and updates in games where updates come weekly and massive amounts of content hold a weight like 4 new weapons were added like prime example is fortnite back in chapter 1 haveing a solid update of new content a new gadget or weapon each week constant patch notes weekly map changes and item shop events,modes anything u can think of it was done in minutes to weeks but it was almost always consistent and out while the trends where lively and they managed to keep the player base because players had a reason to get on every week if the finals had idk something more unique with its shop or pass maybe even something gameplay wise that gamer haven't seen or experienced before it would of stuck alot better with players that's likely the reason it slipped so far down and this comes from a finals fan with 500 hours and has played closed beta so to say I love this game is an understatement and if this game fails idk what hope I have for FPS if this fails I just feel these other games held a weight CSGO a legacy icon in the scene fortnite a pioneer and invented the battle pass pubg the first major game that pushed the BR genre into the light alot and what we got was a cod like game with battlefield destruction witch isnt anything inventive I would love to believe this game had bad timeing and I disagree I think its great it's more of a long term investment and waiting for new maps to play more weapons more content to draw players in isnt a grand strategy for staying afloat in the game industry as of today especially after the microsoft situation but I'm hopeing that the long term goal is well long term and maybe they keep the game in a committed cycle where it has time to blossom and grow and maybe we see more players come into the game into the future and have a great time and stick to makeing loyal fans I'm sorry this was a bit long but a worthy write to explain how I feel on the situation and hopefully u all think its actually a valid take would love to play with people if your Intrested as well if so hit me up ❤

I feel like people dont like the class system, if the game was a hero ability shooter with swappable gun/equipment window it probably would perform much better

I kinda agree. The competition in fps game is high. If only the final launch before valorant, apex, etc Big streamer won't move to The Finals because they still in contract or because they still making good money there. They wont risk it all. Except ottr 😂

If someone like jinxy started grinding this game and pumping out content it could prolly alter its path dramatically for the better. It seems to me to be a fun, solid, refreshing game. I think lotta the hate is unnecessary and just people going against the opinions of the cult like following that is the finals fanbase lol. But a strong small passionate community is extremely valuable and a great opportunity for the devs to do the best they can to make the game even better. Also making the ranked system better and more rewarding would prolly help, just a thought. Siege would have died years ago if not for its passionate community. The finals is fresh and I think it will end up having much higher numbers than it does now down the road. The team behind it seem like they are are listening to the players which is leaps ahead of other competitors.

Forget Shroud. We don't need these big streamers that would play this game not even part time. Check out TRUCE. He knows whats up.

not spending a single penny for ads and asking for success is wild

I think one of the issues is just that game players dont want to give it a chance. With the average player mainly playing fucking warzone and cod as their shooter game, they just don't know about The Finals. All they know is CoD. The Finals is such a much better, much well-rounded game, with it having absolutely beautiful graphics at only around 30 GB of storage compared to CoDs nearly 200GB storage for graphics that get turned all the way fown for FPS gain and visibility, reasonably priced cosmetics, freedom to dress your character how you want, with different pieces of clothing, the weapon skins are artistic and unique, especially for the price, the battlepass is amazing every time, i find myself using every item because there are no bad ones. In CoD, you have weapon blueprints that wont matter once you unlock mastery camos, in some other games a battle pass weapon skin is just a JPEG put over the weapon model. The Finals has that capability of becoming the next Fortnite in my opinion, where EVERYONE knows about it, where it becomes a household name that even the parents know about, where its talked about EVERYWHERE. I PRAY that The Finals gets the recognition it deserves.

Shroud didn't like the game from the beginning. His opinion is worthless. he said the shooting and movement felt BAD... two of the greatest aspects of the game. He changes his mind about the game every time it comes up. It's really irritating.

Hopefully that Nexon investigation results successful!

Nice. You know Epitomy, life is like pandoras box. All that hatred, unluck,illnessess and mishappenings. But at the bottom of Pandoras box is a little faith. Thats all we need. I have a good example. During WW2, a small village near the ocean in Japan was about to be attacked by an enemy ship via rockets etc. All villagers gathered together in a Temple and just prayed together, that they will remain unharmed. Just a few minutes later a big storm happened and eventually sunk the enemies ship. Just like in that story, we have to hope and believe in the succesion of The Finals. In every great story is faith a big factor in a plot twist. Goodnight.

the main detriment of The Finals is being similar to Battlefield despite being an arena shooter - Battlefield is the least popular it’s ever been, so when people hear the comparison, I imagine they’re completely turned off - it sucks because The Finals has crazy potential but like Shroud said: gaming goes through fads, and hating Battlefield is one of the biggest fads in gaming atm

So im wondering is anybody having like huge performances issues with this game? Because Im having huge desyncs, and I mean HUGE, like throwing a nade, dying, and the nade never goes boom because it disapeared for "reasons", and I've never seen anybody talk about desyncs so im starting to wonder is it just me or are people facing these issues too (maybe they just dont notice or dont know how to tell)?

here is my problem with the finals let me have team death match i dont want to play objective i just want to go in kill and be killed i dont want to protect a point or steal a box i just wanna run and gun and not worry especially when im a solo

I'm stickman, played against you the other day, GG

The game's not fun because every match is full of only full-auto weapons. We have SO many fun and interesting weapons yet everyone uses only full-autos, why? Because they have roughly the same time to kill (TTK) as other weapons but they're INCREDIBLY versatile, able to be used in close range, medium range they excel at, and some have very strong long range damage as well. If this game removed all the full-auto weapons it would immediately become 2x times more interesting with tons of new strategies popping up.

The finals is an enigma. The game has everything you could want and IS fun when it’s fun. But very not fun when it’s not. I think cheesy comps can make the game very not fun. Like 3 mediums with mines everywhere and 3 turrets. Or two heavy being healed by a one medium. They’ve made some balance changes to help. But going against certain stuff isn’t fun and every weapon doesn’t feel viable. Like having a sniper on a light class and nothing else sucks when the whole enemy team pushes you close. I think you should be allowed to carry two weapons.

The game has all of the elements to be successful it’s us that is the problem!!

I’m just sad about cash out being gone. There’s no longer a 3v3v3v3 mode, which was all I ever played if I wanted to have fun. Sure, I guess change the comp mode, but why get rid of both?

I like the pfp color change. What else do you know HMMMM??

People : Innovation is absent in FPS genre. *The Finals comes out* Also people : nah !

I don’t agree with their ranked changes. but cash out does need to be cleaned up a little bit. and the only reason why they’re changing the ranked game mode is because they want to fix up cash out. I’m not a big fan of terminal attack But is it just me? I can’t wait to learn a new ranked system and see how it feels to have a 5v5 against players who are equal skill set. Like that sounds really fun. but I will say this. if roll lock isn’t a thing in terminal tact ranked it’s already in shambles. You should be only allowed to use two heavies, two mediums, and one light. if they allow people to use five heavies. ranked will be cooked. let’s not forget. The amount of mind and turrets. but they did say it did some big changes to terminal tack. let’s wait and see what kind of changes they made.

3:52, sorry Shroud, as a Battlefield fan, we were missing something crucial in 2042... and that was the sandbox freedom of destructable envrionments. The Finals came out at the perfect time to take a massive dump on BF2042.

The Finals came out after the mediocre Battlefield 2042 which was the best timing ever. Both game have something that gamers would expect, destruction and Embark delivers the physics very well.

I play this game all the time and it’s still amazing. Can’t wait to run around with the katanas slicing and dicing and get revenge on them light sword players 😂

I like the finals but there’s not enough new content during the season to keep me for the whole season and also I don’t think new seasons have enough content

The fact that people care about what a random person says is always weird to me. Yes, Shroud is a random person because unless you know him personally he's a random person. He's an ex pro player but his opinion shouldn't matter much given people have their own opinions on things and pro players generally always have mixed opinions.

Its a good game and has potential just like xdefiant

I have forced almost all my friends to play this game and they were pretty excited when they first started out. Then it became stale for them due to how much chaotic the game became. Its too much they can’t understand whats going on and always gets killed by someone third partying. Its funny but also highlights probably the biggest reason the game didn’t took off. Its too much happening at the same time. I always tell them that its ok to die you can always respawn but I guess dying for them is too punishable. Thats why I believe TA is at the very least a much more manageable game mode that most people could play. I just wish they would let people play it casually first before jump into ranked.

i love the finals, but my pc is so ass that i powered through season1 with average 50fps~. not helping that the optimal setting wants you to have rtx on. just like apex, might get addicted few years after i get new hardware. and then people will naturally follow after they get their new hardware too.

The game is good, shroud just isnt getting paid anymore, he said the finals doesnt feel smooth yet xde. Does like what lol

I hope some bigger Twitch Streamers jump in THE Finals and hopefully there will be soon a Twitch Rival that could boost the Playerbase a bit. THE FINALS has to pay for a ESport Event or the Game will be die.

ever since the beta the main thing that made me stop playing was the movement, I just didn't like the way it felt kinda unresponsive, I don't know when but it seems they changed that and it feels much better now, the only thing now is fps, for some reason I can't get the game to run above like 50ish fps, might be a cpu thing cause I have a pretty old cpu and my gpu since to hold up well, it's kind of a shame cause it feels so good when I'm playing in the firing range with 100+ fps

Needs more more more maps. More variety gamemodes. More sense of “commotion going on” Like tf2 had all kinds of gamemodes and maps and character Just needs to capture that vibe. I love that the story of the game is faceless contestants, the 2 announcers, anonymous ai holding it all together, CNS and sponsors. We don’t need main characters like tf2 or overwatch But with all those characters, we really get no lore. Less lore than dark souls We need just a tad more to in the cinematics department

Best shooter on the market. This guy just has no clue saying it’s no fun. It’s the most addictive shooter out now and at least it’s not going to f@@k people off after 5 seasons like the new black ops will do. The finals is not a spray and play game, it takes skill to play it and like past games if your rubbish at a shooter they automatically hate on it.

There will be a point in time when people will actually want to play The Finals. But it will be too late by that time, at least I wont carry that regret.

The game was good my pc is not helldivers2 50/60 fps medium graphics The finals 30/55fps everything at the lowest graphics Plus in pvp fps are a lot more important

cant wait till everyone has to walk back their ignorant shit talk of one of the best fps games in YEARS

Anyone who complains about terminal attack doesn’t understand game design. Terminal attack will be a better and more familiar ranked game mode for the masses. The reason the game isn’t seeing success is because of cashout. Most people don’t find it fun other than people that are still playing the finals.

These are some of the reasons new players quit the finals before getting hooked. For starters, unlocking stuff is very time consuming, most new players that dip into the game will likely never get to use a vast majority of the equipment since the time investment required to unlock it is too much, what if they grind to get enough vrs to buy a gun, try it and it's shit, while they see their teammates running around with better weapons? they quit and done. Then you have the new player learning curve for cashout and quickcash. They get confusing feedback from playing ranked and quickplay which makes it harder to understand what's happening and since kills don't affect the outcome in a major way it also doesn't carry over any knowledge from previous games. You also have the character appearance. Out of all the faces they give at the start, only the chinese woman is attractive, the black woman is ok, the rest are outright bad. There no male face that's good, the black man may be a bit passable but not much. Also the bodytypes of the characters. Female builds are too flat and don't have clearly overt characteristics and males are not more muscular. Changes are too subtle in my opinion and it results in significantly unatractive "contestants". Then finally, weapons have increasingly gotten less effective over time when compared to the OB. The policy of nerfing weapons and gadgets constantly has downgraded the effective feel of weapons and worsens the player experience. And nerfing weapons by increasing recoil pattern difficulty is a very bad way to balance, since it punished new and lower skilled players that don't train aiming while sparing anybody that puts some time into learning it. Those would be some reasons that have likely contributed to people dropping this masterpiece of a game we got. It's sad to see it's current state and I will keep filling my daily hopium canister every morning hoping for the game to take off again but oh well. I've been playing nische shooters ever since Tribes ascend and dirty bomb back in the day so...

The only bad thing about The Finals is they're spoon feeding us content so slowly. We desperately need more maps. The game itself feels amazing, and the mechanics are some of the most satisfying in any FPS. Just needs a little more depth content wise.

Shroud is exactly right, but I think it's just one aspect of the explanation and not mutually exclusive to others. For instance, I've had a theory for a while that the game is just too "high stakes," and thus too stressful and exhausting, for the average gamer. High stakes mean way higher highs (which is why I keep coming back), but I suspect it also leads to lower lows. Just a theory. If that is part of the reason, along with reasons like the one Shroud highlights, the solution seems pretty easy. A game mode that inherently feels lower stakes in each moment (EDIT: Extending TA to best of 13 might actually help with this some). Anyway, I should be able to control my emotions and just play "for fun," but if lots of other players have the problem I have, they can't even play the casual modes without getting amped up eventually. Maybe you guys can tell me whether I'm more the exception than the norm?