SHUDDERWOCK IS NUTS! Blizzard... Just... Why? - Standard Constructed - The Witchwood

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@ConstantineIII
@ConstantineIII 6 жыл бұрын
-Plays shudderwock once- All right, time to go finish my degree and start a family while these animations play!
@pinchemaje748
@pinchemaje748 6 жыл бұрын
Constantine III basically
@rogoth01themasterwizard11
@rogoth01themasterwizard11 6 жыл бұрын
you forgot to pay off the mortgage and sort out the life insurance
@AnAngelineer
@AnAngelineer 6 жыл бұрын
It's Grim Patron annoying animation 2.0, now even longer and more annoying. Between that and everyone else playing cubelock, the game is going back to being annoying and without diversity once again. Feel free to hate me for that subjective opinion, but I don't like seeing the game going back to those things. How can Blizzard do the same mistakes again?
@jijiooze
@jijiooze 6 жыл бұрын
Optimistically, it's not diverse but it's extremely fun. Maybe it's still too early on, but whenever Shudderwock comes down, I just get the thrill, even if it's not my own Shudderwock. Exact same thing with pre-nerf Yogg two years ago.
@aleksanderaid9145
@aleksanderaid9145 6 жыл бұрын
The difference between Yog and Shudderwock is that Yog cast "Random" spells for each spell cast, that made it immensely fun and fair in my opinion. But Shudderwock casts the "Same" battlecries which were cast this game, taking away the fun and crazy (but often very helpful) randomness, simply turning it into a 99% certain win condition. PS. I stopped playing hearthstone about 1.5 years ago and after seeing these crazy decks which need certain very expensive cards to send your opponents into oblivion (turning the game basically into pay-to-win)... I am honestly happy that I quit :D
@Saronite
@Saronite 6 жыл бұрын
-Me go face!- -Hey everyone ... Get in here!- -I'm in charge now!- My jaws that bite, My claws that catch!
@wodo4742
@wodo4742 6 жыл бұрын
You forgot the: "Tonight, a tale of...."
@Orbital_Dew
@Orbital_Dew 6 жыл бұрын
bow down before the god of death
@valik7907
@valik7907 6 жыл бұрын
Bring out your dead
@creeperfriendlyhugs
@creeperfriendlyhugs 6 жыл бұрын
Who am I? none of your business!
@anthonystorm3392
@anthonystorm3392 6 жыл бұрын
You cant hide FOREVER!
@kingdavey90
@kingdavey90 6 жыл бұрын
"How Long can this go on..."
@GlossRabban
@GlossRabban 6 жыл бұрын
David Harris Seems like it can go on forever. And well spotted:)
@someone-yw2qw
@someone-yw2qw 6 жыл бұрын
we have been warned
@LimeyLassen
@LimeyLassen 6 жыл бұрын
free me
@Lumpyducksauce
@Lumpyducksauce 6 жыл бұрын
How is this video only 25 minutes long? Is the whole video literally one Shudderwock battlecry?
@ChristFollower00
@ChristFollower00 6 жыл бұрын
I foresee a future where aggro exists as the savior to destroy the evil Shudderwock abomination. For the face damage!
@Lumpyducksauce
@Lumpyducksauce 6 жыл бұрын
Regan Childers Baku Hunter: the chosen one
@scorpionMK999
@scorpionMK999 6 жыл бұрын
The Mighty Turtle say hi to healing rain
@spencer6091
@spencer6091 6 жыл бұрын
just make a card with something like this card must be hit at least X times on opponent's turn or else something huge will be triggered when your turn comes
@mellowhero3520
@mellowhero3520 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the final shudderwock was about 8 minutes.
@TheRustyCopper
@TheRustyCopper 6 жыл бұрын
Animation so long Shudderwock rotated out of standard by the end of it
@rasmusgarbonzo1411
@rasmusgarbonzo1411 6 жыл бұрын
Roberto Palomba LOL
@mellowhero3520
@mellowhero3520 6 жыл бұрын
8 to 10 minute OTK. I'm actually mad.
@melodygritsipis2735
@melodygritsipis2735 6 жыл бұрын
Ben Brode knew this existed. In an interview about the witchwood reveal, he mentioned talking to a member of team five who was playing shudderwock. . "I was walking around the design pit, and somebody was playing Shudderwock, and they played Shudderwock and summoned an exact copy [thanks to Sarnite Chain Gang], and then apparently they played Grumble, Worldshaker earlier in the game," says Brode. "Grumble's a kinda underused Legendary that says 'Return your other minions to your hand. They cost (1).' So it returned the exact copy to his hand. Now he has a 1-cost Shudderwock, and each Shudderwock he plays summons a copy and returns a 1-cost Shudderwock to his hand. So now he has infinite 1-mana Shudderwocks." "I said, 'Guys, whatever you've done to make this combo possible, change it now.' And they said, 'Oh, this is all shipping in Witchwood.' I was like, 'NOOOOOOOOOO!' [laughs] A hundred percent, I'm terrified. They've assured me that things are going to be fine" Oh how wrong he was. (Edit: heres the full link to the article www.google.com/amp/s/www.gamesradar.com/amp/hearthstone-game-director-ben-brode-is-terrified-of-this-new-combo-made-possible-by-the-witchwood/#ampshare=www.gamesradar.com/hearthstone-game-director-ben-brode-is-terrified-of-this-new-combo-made-possible-by-the-witchwood/ )
@hurlubu
@hurlubu 6 жыл бұрын
why is he wrong because a combo deck is competitive ? Like christ what's the issue here.
@lepathewarrior4445
@lepathewarrior4445 6 жыл бұрын
hurlubu Because animation times can stop your enemy from interacting at all
@hurlubu
@hurlubu 6 жыл бұрын
uuuuh... what once you land the combo that has too long animation time you already won who cares. Enemy is dead.
@HulkHodnFtw
@HulkHodnFtw 6 жыл бұрын
you kidding? this combo is the most broken thing since the beginning of hearthstone. there is no counterplay to it. it is 0% interactive
@mellowhero3520
@mellowhero3520 6 жыл бұрын
HulkHodnFtw It's called "Win before turn 9." Aggro counter-meta says hello.
@GothaBillsAndDeath
@GothaBillsAndDeath 6 жыл бұрын
They.... really need to make sure redundant card effects aren't shown. People will just stop playing and quit from match if they have to sit through a slow-death.
@Cerdmasterjgcc
@Cerdmasterjgcc 6 жыл бұрын
A Better Tomorrow I come for hearthstone for ten minute matches Not 25 minuet matcjes
@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa
@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa 6 жыл бұрын
The issue with that is you'd have to code it on a case-by-case basis, since some battlecries do matter when they appear multiple times, and others don't.
@arandombard1197
@arandombard1197 6 жыл бұрын
25 minute turns'
@GothaBillsAndDeath
@GothaBillsAndDeath 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah not even a complex raza late game where you trying to counter your opponent to late game. It's just a shit-ton of animations.
@danielduncan6806
@danielduncan6806 6 жыл бұрын
Perfectly fine by me if they quit mid effect. It would save us BOTH some time. What? You think I want to sit through that animation? No, nobody, not even the people playing, wants to sit through that animation.
@nikolas__
@nikolas__ 6 жыл бұрын
I though it would be a fun meme deck when trump talked about the combo so it was the first deck I tried. God was I wrong. Day5 edit: Apparently it was due to being the start of the expac and the deck actually sucks lol. Maybe it's better in the future tho.
@DarthSenorQueso
@DarthSenorQueso 6 жыл бұрын
hahahahaha 100% winrate except in mirrors
@Da5kone001
@Da5kone001 6 жыл бұрын
Hebi-chan it’s a pretty bad deck that gets beat most of time by faster combo decks aggro decks or midrange it’s got a 47% win rate on ladder
@acbthr3840
@acbthr3840 6 жыл бұрын
Its got a 47% winrate because most people don't include healing rain and heavy anti-aggro tools. Included, it facerolls over aggro decks effortlessly
@scalpingsnake
@scalpingsnake 6 жыл бұрын
Yeahsame
@Bro-ws1xf
@Bro-ws1xf 6 жыл бұрын
I have a 100% winrate against Shudderwock decks because my 1 opponent played it with 6 on board :')
@jakemedcalf6527
@jakemedcalf6527 6 жыл бұрын
He finally got one right
@javyz6197
@javyz6197 6 жыл бұрын
For a couple of weeks, before Blizzard nerfs it.
@Kingshadowac
@Kingshadowac 6 жыл бұрын
I rather face pre nerf Yogg then this.
@ramonestefano
@ramonestefano 6 жыл бұрын
Edo Edi Essum sequentially?
@srtn1137
@srtn1137 6 жыл бұрын
you would rather face pre nerf yogg than shudderwock ? how about shudder-yogg ?
@zachary3879
@zachary3879 6 жыл бұрын
Agro paly has higher wintate btw hs replay look the average winrate for shuddee shaman in 47% hsreplay.net/decks/#playerClasses=SHAMAN&gameType=RANKED_STANDARD&sortBy=winrate
@jetvoidweller
@jetvoidweller 6 жыл бұрын
Win rate isn't what's being discussed tho
@webbowser8834
@webbowser8834 6 жыл бұрын
Yogg did nothing wrong...
@Fiiischinator
@Fiiischinator 6 жыл бұрын
I like how everyone acts like this was obvious, the last review before release was full of people saying he's overrating it.
@Zoomat4
@Zoomat4 6 жыл бұрын
You do are aware that blizzard can test their cards before releasing them right ?
@Fiiischinator
@Fiiischinator 6 жыл бұрын
Louis Canales They obviously didn't come up with this combo, most people didn't.
@DeadlyLight101
@DeadlyLight101 6 жыл бұрын
Fiiischinator If Blizzard didn't come up with this by looking up all their standard battlecries, then I'm severely disappointed
@Zoomat4
@Zoomat4 6 жыл бұрын
This combo was discovered literally the minute the card was announced, if they didn't then they are totally incompetent. No most likely they did what the pretty much do every expansion : create a stupidly overpowered and braindead deck so everyone buys new cards and plays the game to test it and then they nerf it into oblivion.
@icymcspicy9511
@icymcspicy9511 6 жыл бұрын
There is literally an interview with ben brode saying he was worried about this card interacting with grumble and chain gang a week before release. Stop with your fake news bullshit
@user-bs4fb5jc7i
@user-bs4fb5jc7i 6 жыл бұрын
6:30 the crushing wall gasm
@LimeyLassen
@LimeyLassen 6 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of that time Trump cleared an undertaker board with a Flame Leviathan but still lost anyway
@BROWNMANJEF
@BROWNMANJEF 6 жыл бұрын
it took literally less than 24 hours for this card to ruin the entire ladder
@Da5kone001
@Da5kone001 6 жыл бұрын
Top Lad ladder is just ruined with this 47% win rate deck ! Gasp!
@Da5kone001
@Da5kone001 6 жыл бұрын
Hug0Pro I don’t play shaman but interesting read nonetheless seems like a mighty big conclusion to come to but w/e best of luck to you
@arnowisp6244
@arnowisp6244 6 жыл бұрын
Da5kone001 Until everyone realizes the proper order and adds all the anti aggro cards.
@demonduck4269
@demonduck4269 6 жыл бұрын
Da5kone001 Expansions been out a day and your bringing up a winrate for a deck thats not even optimized yet
@wurgel1
@wurgel1 6 жыл бұрын
+Da5kone001 Could you please give your source? because my source says the Elemental-Shudderwock deck sits on 60% winrate in rank 5 to legend. metastats.net/deck/35e6493a-379d-4be6-a472-b88d181f4a59/last4/ The combo is small and works with both aggro and control styles. So unless you actively took the worst deck with Shudderwock in it for that number, i have to guess you made the number up.
@MMT399561
@MMT399561 6 жыл бұрын
Jesus, that deck...Stuff like jade was cancer, but this? This appears broken, at least for now. Maybe there will be an anti Shudderwock deck in the near future...or this card will be nerfed into oblivion.
@rapidcore100
@rapidcore100 6 жыл бұрын
It's not broken, it's just boring
@theodormoise3351
@theodormoise3351 6 жыл бұрын
Its not interactive. Ill will be nerfed.
@restlessfrager
@restlessfrager 6 жыл бұрын
It's completely lopsided, aggro is hardly a counter because of the amount of taunts the is.
@MMT399561
@MMT399561 6 жыл бұрын
True, it is boring, but the big problem with Shudderwock Shaman is that this deck kills control decks like there is no tomorrow. Only thing that can beat Shudderwock is something fast, so that the Shudder Shaman can´t get all the Battlecries in place....which in turn forces the meta to become super aggro and I really, really don´t want a only aggro meta tbh.
@timothyturner3195
@timothyturner3195 6 жыл бұрын
MMT399561 yesterday with cubelock I never lose against shudderwock... to slow.. with doomguard you win before he plays his combo.. and odd hunter literally destroys shuderwock..
@lordhuebi
@lordhuebi 6 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it seems like they don't do any play testing at all.
@gabriel_cooper
@gabriel_cooper 6 жыл бұрын
maybe they did this in purpose,we have seen classes the were really week get broken cards before,priest in the last cycle is a good example,remember when purify was introduced? Then they gave him a machine gun in KotFT and suddenly it was broken. Pretty sure its the same thing here,that's just how blizzard works,they make the week classes broken then take those broken abilities away for a while and then give them back.
@lavamaster2863
@lavamaster2863 6 жыл бұрын
Priest's machine gun is super balanced compared to this cancer
@TrimutiusToo
@TrimutiusToo 6 жыл бұрын
Priest machine gun is much more cancerous than this OTK... Shudderwock OTK is about as strong as Quest Mage... Destroys Control, but loses terribly to aggro.
@zachary3879
@zachary3879 6 жыл бұрын
Guys this decks is actual trash against hunter and those who say toast won every game. He knows how to play against agro plus he got super lucky. This deck has 47% winrate on hs replay on average hsreplay.net/decks/#playerClasses=SHAMAN&gameType=RANKED_STANDARD&sortBy=winrate
@TrimutiusToo
@TrimutiusToo 6 жыл бұрын
Actually the list that we came up with on Kripp's Stream yesterday is better, with 53%... but still not even near OP level...
@Wahligma
@Wahligma 6 жыл бұрын
I really like that check list Jeeves you included, Jens, really nice touch.
@KartoffelKonig
@KartoffelKonig 6 жыл бұрын
Shudderwock so OP ! He is winning against budget decks on Rank 20 !! Oh and btw I have been there live in the stream and he lost I think even more than half of his games to randomly mashed together arena-like decks
@peterkanion6153
@peterkanion6153 6 жыл бұрын
LOL actually true
@oscarcabrejosvilchez4703
@oscarcabrejosvilchez4703 6 жыл бұрын
United Potatoes Watch Toast stream.
@charlesgray6385
@charlesgray6385 6 жыл бұрын
Cheers for the waiter edit Jen. Keep the small little newbie tid bits coming!
@Paranoiddruid2
@Paranoiddruid2 6 жыл бұрын
This!
@Locke19901
@Locke19901 6 жыл бұрын
That crushing walls was LOLZ
@Rathial
@Rathial 6 жыл бұрын
Its like what if Antonidas infinite was mixed with our savior Yog turns out its pretty boring D:
@AntoineBandele
@AntoineBandele 6 жыл бұрын
I've discovered that Elemental Mage is a good counter to Shudderwock Shaman, so long as you can get to Jaina by turn 9. My win rate against Shudderwock with my mage is 100% right now.
@syntheticmemez7744
@syntheticmemez7744 6 жыл бұрын
My jaws 😬👈 that bite👅🍆, my claws 🖐🗡 that CATCH 😈🎣
@troggle6545
@troggle6545 6 жыл бұрын
cringe
@raoulduke1440
@raoulduke1440 6 жыл бұрын
Synthetic Memez 🍆?
@syntheticmemez7744
@syntheticmemez7744 6 жыл бұрын
Raoul Duke Hey, don't judge
@arithmagendergender594
@arithmagendergender594 6 жыл бұрын
Synthetic Memez get the fuck out nope
@paulboard8221
@paulboard8221 6 жыл бұрын
Synthetic Memez how could you say something so controversial yet so brave
@shiftur2308
@shiftur2308 6 жыл бұрын
Found that the deck just gets even better if you include Ice Fishing and two Brrlocs. You get more ways to prevent damage from aggro, stop Vinecleaver, stall while waiting for more mana/to draw removal options, make Shudderwock freeze the board. Brrlocs are used over Glacial Shard because they have their own card draw in a single Ice Fishing and don't get drawn by Sandbinder
@totallynotminx4682
@totallynotminx4682 6 жыл бұрын
Trump! I have seen and experimented with a Shudderwock deck that is essentially the same as yours, but it has one Lifedrinker for the combo and one baleful banker, so no fatigue, and you get more shudderwock if you mess up.
@jwu89
@jwu89 6 жыл бұрын
Dirty Rat, come back to us....
@LordRydag
@LordRydag 6 жыл бұрын
Interro they can just grumble it lol
@mattisvicious6069
@mattisvicious6069 6 жыл бұрын
LordRydag dirty rat is two mana, how much is grumble? Exactly idiot
@OWA_Freerunning
@OWA_Freerunning 6 жыл бұрын
LordRydag well, what if you dirty fat his Grumble?
@EnderEYEx
@EnderEYEx 6 жыл бұрын
Good idea. I think it should be moved to classic set
@zerodateX
@zerodateX 6 жыл бұрын
He is probably going to get the yog treatment to slow him down. Most likely a nerf so he can only use any battlecry once.
@Iamaveryscarydude
@Iamaveryscarydude 6 жыл бұрын
Unique Battlecrys?
@zerodateX
@zerodateX 6 жыл бұрын
yeah so that he cant put a copy of himself in your hand and create two taunt divine shield copies each turn for one mana.
@TimoRutanen
@TimoRutanen 6 жыл бұрын
It will still be a '6/6 divine shield, taunt, create a copy in your hand that costs 1' for 2 mana every turn. One could almost say 'infinite value', if you only could play another one for 2 more mana. Which you can't.
@BaphomentIsAwsome666
@BaphomentIsAwsome666 6 жыл бұрын
Very fun and interactive deck, I love being able to go do other things well the animations finish.
@billypurkiss
@billypurkiss 6 жыл бұрын
The storm reference at the start is very funny. Good job trump.
@2ZH
@2ZH 6 жыл бұрын
Fun and interactive
@ds2587
@ds2587 6 жыл бұрын
Shudderwock was my free legendary lol.
@moogleking
@moogleking 6 жыл бұрын
same we have to make shaman now
@oldnick9437
@oldnick9437 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah same. Couldn't be bothered with this cancer so I just shoved it in a modified elemental deck. Hasn't done too bad so far, and at least I'll survive it if Wock gets nerfed to once per game
@FrontierChampion
@FrontierChampion 6 жыл бұрын
got one too but rather not play this cancer, like Trump said how the heck did this pass testing?
@Rudepetsclub
@Rudepetsclub 6 жыл бұрын
Aw, that jeeves helper in the corner is great
@javyz6197
@javyz6197 6 жыл бұрын
14:10 That negative synergy though xD xD
@borkbork4374
@borkbork4374 6 жыл бұрын
God I wish coldlight oracle didn't rotate out. Mill rogue was born just to murder this deck
@TheJamieellis
@TheJamieellis 6 жыл бұрын
Yup. I've been toying with a cthun version in wild, getting shudder to repeat the buff battlecries and then dropping a 30/30 cthun and mill decks ruin it. Shame really :/
@passels6513
@passels6513 6 жыл бұрын
MY JAWS THAT WHITE, MY CLAWS DETACH
@simbadas1234
@simbadas1234 6 жыл бұрын
i think he says "my jaws that bite, my claws that catch"
@LargeBanana
@LargeBanana 6 жыл бұрын
the joke goes right over your head.
@vla120699
@vla120699 6 жыл бұрын
r/whoooooooosh
@osmanpasa-toyotayaris1968
@osmanpasa-toyotayaris1968 6 жыл бұрын
Inb4 it gets edited
@passels6513
@passels6513 6 жыл бұрын
The double whoosh
@diegolahad
@diegolahad 10 ай бұрын
someone else remembering old metas and combos with our buddy Trump ?
@Adamdaman3333
@Adamdaman3333 6 жыл бұрын
You don't have to wait for rope, you can just spam click the shudderwock clones on the board when they are highlighted in green and it will play them when they are returned to hand
@gotchakid2248
@gotchakid2248 6 жыл бұрын
what a great time to make millmurloc wild
@matthewvuldis821
@matthewvuldis821 6 жыл бұрын
You are very right about that.
@neilu7132
@neilu7132 6 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the dirty rat rotation ;)
@justvibin338
@justvibin338 6 жыл бұрын
THE RANK20MAN
@oneofthepeoplehere
@oneofthepeoplehere 6 жыл бұрын
.5 seconds after Shudderwok is spoiled: Every single HS streamer: Oh damn, infinite Shudderwock combos incoming! Blizzard, who designs and play tests sets a year in advance: We did not foresee this interaction.
@RazalasTrebla
@RazalasTrebla 6 жыл бұрын
The "Jaw that bites, Claws that catch" man!
@dimitarchavdarov8680
@dimitarchavdarov8680 6 жыл бұрын
did u teamed up with hearthstone mathematicks chanel :D ?
@proxyg4884
@proxyg4884 6 жыл бұрын
Cubelock meta > Razapriest meta > Shudderwock meta
@matthewvuldis821
@matthewvuldis821 6 жыл бұрын
Where does Gadgetzan Pirate Warrior fit in there?
@TimoRutanen
@TimoRutanen 6 жыл бұрын
There's always one deck above others in any meta. Always. If you could design it so that there wasn't, it would be done and the designer would be paid his weight in gold. Or bitcoin.
@proxyg4884
@proxyg4884 6 жыл бұрын
not true, cubelock wasn't even the best deck in the cubelock meta. shudderwock was clearly poorly designed...
@Renewablefrog1224
@Renewablefrog1224 6 жыл бұрын
Matthew Vuldis either before or after shudderwock
@lexiknight12
@lexiknight12 6 жыл бұрын
You could use Martin the fox and fill up your opponents board with unplayable minions
@Excalibursin
@Excalibursin 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should consider sunfury protector/argus to be mixed with lone champion for a taunt? Plus it can help defend your mana tide.
@avengedsevenfold065
@avengedsevenfold065 6 жыл бұрын
If only quest mage remained to shut this machine down
@KaiserTheDarkWolf
@KaiserTheDarkWolf 6 жыл бұрын
Boring deck agains boring deck the first to get turn 9 wins ---- not thanks XD
@him_That_is_me
@him_That_is_me 6 жыл бұрын
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!?!?!?! inb4 the card is removed from the game within the week. that or they change it to a random three battlecries played previously
@mrmemetastic2065
@mrmemetastic2065 6 жыл бұрын
Archaon Hedgeworth but the combo is 3 battlecries 😂😂
@Thanos1908
@Thanos1908 6 жыл бұрын
they could just make it so it respects the sequence the battlecries were originally played....hence requiring the player to play X card before Y..instead of dumping them on the board as soon as they are available.
@Chaoszero5332
@Chaoszero5332 6 жыл бұрын
Athanasios Matsolas Then the combo won't even require a Murmuring Elemental, so it would actually be easier
@AaumondHD
@AaumondHD 6 жыл бұрын
Chaoszero5332 Well, at least, without Murmuring Elemental, the animations wouldn't be as long !
@truefridge6031
@truefridge6031 6 жыл бұрын
Would be fine if you can only trigger his battlecry once per turn. There are many easy ways to make this card fund and less abusable
@andyboi4560
@andyboi4560 6 жыл бұрын
Trump, I love how you speak; refined and college-educated. Feels like I'll get through university being a Hearthstone addict after all
@ViewtifulJosh388
@ViewtifulJosh388 6 жыл бұрын
The intro finally fits perfectly with this deck.
@deathsoal
@deathsoal 6 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Waitwood bois!
@Torskel
@Torskel 6 жыл бұрын
I smell a massive nerf on shudderwock incoming :P
@javyz6197
@javyz6197 6 жыл бұрын
"Your Overload cards have +1 Attack."
@knavenformed9436
@knavenformed9436 6 жыл бұрын
They'll just fix it so it's own battlecry can't be looped.
@wormspeaker
@wormspeaker 6 жыл бұрын
My change would be that a Shudderwock that is summoned by another Shudderwock is "inert" and does not trigger a battle cry and Life Drinker now targets a hero. When you play the Life Drinker from hand you'll obviously target the enemy hero but when cast by Shudderwock there would be a 50/50 chance of hitting your own face and healing the enemy hero.
@MrsNancy1297
@MrsNancy1297 6 жыл бұрын
@wormspeaker the Sudderwock summoned by another doesn't trigger its battlecry, Trump just played multiple of them from hand at the same time
@NoeLPZC
@NoeLPZC 6 жыл бұрын
Making it 10 mana prevents the double up, meaning you have to gamble saronite goes off before grumble. That would be a good start. If they made the battlecry order from highest cost to lowest then the combo would be dead entirely.
@dr.trichome6419
@dr.trichome6419 6 жыл бұрын
Lol voodoo doll with prince that was fucking priceless hahahaha
@bigchief9313
@bigchief9313 6 жыл бұрын
Can you publish a video covering the steps and strategy of the deck and how to optimize play?
@Autocratical
@Autocratical 6 жыл бұрын
T H E L A T E M A N
@TheOriginalQwazzy
@TheOriginalQwazzy 6 жыл бұрын
"Stay a while and listen..."
@pianoforte611
@pianoforte611 6 жыл бұрын
The cool thing about this combo deck is that you don't have to save cards in hand, you just play them out. It's too bad about the animation time though. If there was a skip animation button this deck would be amazing (maybe it still is)
@wesleymaes2958
@wesleymaes2958 6 жыл бұрын
Can you perhaps do a "top 10 best decks" video? I really don't know what deck to use for laddering 🙈
@Herr_Brechmann
@Herr_Brechmann 6 жыл бұрын
Very easy, just change Murmuring Elemental to: Your next Elemental's *Battlecry* triggers twice. here fify @Blizzard
@littlej211
@littlej211 6 жыл бұрын
In my opinion it's not the combo that's broken- OTK decks have existed in many forms. The problem is the animation time makes it so dang boring to play, watch, and ESPECIALLY to play against. They need to speed up the animations by a lot! Maybe take out the animations and just show the cards rapid fire. The targets are random anyways so who cares about watching all the animations.
@jaylewis2611
@jaylewis2611 6 жыл бұрын
You could try a Tol'vir Stoneshaper and a Fire Fly for a guaranteed divine shield + taunt cycle that doesn't rely on a clear friendly board, and that would also permit the safe(-ish) use of AoE battlecries like Hagatha the Witch in double Shudderwock triggers, when it's paired with a Murmuring Elemental.
@shayitzhary3968
@shayitzhary3968 6 жыл бұрын
You know if you were to play only these 3-4 battlecries you'll always have a board full of 8/8s: Saronite, dopple gang and the shaman hero card (not hagatha). It evolves shudderwock to an 11 cost (snowfury giant) and gives you copies of it, or the opposite, gives you copies of shudderwock and evolves them to snowfury giant.
@shayitzhary3968
@shayitzhary3968 6 жыл бұрын
well I guess you can do it only once which makes it worse than the otk version...
@alagass6466
@alagass6466 6 жыл бұрын
Haven't turned on HS yet for the expansion. Makes me not want too honestly.
@thesomnograph7278
@thesomnograph7278 6 жыл бұрын
> Shudderwock op > 45% winrate on hsreplay Aw man Blizzard please nerf
@itssynergy7195
@itssynergy7195 6 жыл бұрын
zhengyu mao >Day 1 of expansion >Unrefined deck >not mastered yet Still saying it's not broken?
@beenismchugerod4093
@beenismchugerod4093 6 жыл бұрын
“Win rate = fun” Nice b8
@thesomnograph7278
@thesomnograph7278 6 жыл бұрын
It's Synergy I love how your logic goes one way and not the other. EVERY DECK is unrefined, so no one can say anything deck op yet because no deck has been polished yet.
@jakemedcalf6527
@jakemedcalf6527 6 жыл бұрын
It's Synergy It’s been 2 months still saying it’s broken
@thesomnograph7278
@thesomnograph7278 6 жыл бұрын
No one is saying it's broken. It's a fair deck on ladder and an interesting matchup, nothing more.
@aersla1731
@aersla1731 6 жыл бұрын
Holy those animations are enough to make my just want to concede.... lmao everyone will have ptsd from "my jaws that bite, my claws that catch."
@BrendanBeckett
@BrendanBeckett 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe the best way to fix this while also buffing shaman in other ways is to change murmuring elemental from a battlecry to a persistent effect while in play.
@helgijacobsen1497
@helgijacobsen1497 6 жыл бұрын
if blizzard not going to nerf that card a lot of players going to quit hearthstone
@Channel-nc2nc
@Channel-nc2nc 6 жыл бұрын
i did anyway
@Klaital1
@Klaital1 6 жыл бұрын
Had to come here to actually see this combo playing out because I have wrecked every shaman I have ran into in ladder before they could pull it off.
@arnowisp6244
@arnowisp6244 6 жыл бұрын
Klaital1 And I've been destroyed by shaman players because they keep playing healing rain, Saronite chain gang, Volcano. Primordial drake lightning storm basically all the anti aggro cards they could find and Blood drinkers.
@restlessfrager
@restlessfrager 6 жыл бұрын
What were they running in their shudderwok decks, shattered sun clerics and defenders or argus? LOL this deck is impervious to aggro.
@Klaital1
@Klaital1 6 жыл бұрын
restlessfrager i wasnt playing aggro even but hand druid which is basically midrange deck. Was generally killing them at around turn nine to ten.
@desmonddies
@desmonddies 6 жыл бұрын
Klaital1 Shudderwock shaman is crushed by spiteful priest.
@PhantasyStarved
@PhantasyStarved 6 жыл бұрын
Was watching Kripp play a (better, imo with Primordial Drake) Shudderwock deck and he had a 50% win rate. Rogues and Aggro Paladins (including a turn 4 kill) were beating him every time. And of course, the games took foreeeeeeever not just because of the combo animations but you also have to stall the game to set it up. I don't think Shudderwock decks have that great of a win rate, but it can get frustrating for your opponent because they can't resign if the end result will be their death.
@clarter20
@clarter20 6 жыл бұрын
the lag when he plays lighting storm
@idiotlyuseful
@idiotlyuseful 6 жыл бұрын
I built an elemental version. Not perfect, but pretty nice with Kalamos.
@KirkPwns
@KirkPwns 6 жыл бұрын
It'll be nerfed in a week. If it isnt, I see a lot of people quitting the game. This is ridiculous. The battlecry should only be able to trigger once.
@silvsilvsilv
@silvsilvsilv 6 жыл бұрын
Kirk Sparks Or maybe not everybody is a crybaby and just starts playing aggro to beat this deck.
@simbadas1234
@simbadas1234 6 жыл бұрын
wow, so either you play a cancerous shudderwock deck or you play aggro, boy that sure sounds like a healthy meta that people will enjoy. /s
@Da5kone001
@Da5kone001 6 жыл бұрын
Kirk Sparks gotta nerf the deck that has a 47% win rate it’s just too good! Play the game don’t just watch KZfaq
@stevengori2130
@stevengori2130 6 жыл бұрын
silvsilvsilv you say this cause you play this deck
@mellowhero3520
@mellowhero3520 6 жыл бұрын
Kirk Sparks It's no worse than Jade Druid was, or dude Paladin, or Cubelock, or old Aggro Shaman. Or old Yog. Hearthstone tier 1 decks are often this kind of stupid powerful.
@KT-dq6wv
@KT-dq6wv 6 жыл бұрын
Well i do think that the combo is pretty overpowered, but that is not the problem. The problem is that the combo takes so damn long. If you want to spend 20 mins per game, this is the thing for you
@MrKrmel
@MrKrmel 6 жыл бұрын
Well, Trump used to play that Warrior Deck that also took forever to win games (Dead man's Hand? Not sure about the name) and people still enjoyed that. Although just going through the battlecry animations gets old really quick...
@ConsoleCleric
@ConsoleCleric 6 жыл бұрын
Shudderwock is definitely a 10 on the storm scale (the actual weather meter that Magic: The Gathering uses to determine power level).
@IEnjoyDbdAMA
@IEnjoyDbdAMA 6 жыл бұрын
"I can't understand how blizzard didn't see this comming..." Well, neither did the community which out number blizzards employees by thousand folds...
@garytee8945
@garytee8945 6 жыл бұрын
Don't drop the nerf, Blizzard! We need the madness from our Shudder-Lord
@cacs2201
@cacs2201 6 жыл бұрын
Gary Tee if it was only madness it would be ok, but this is broken...
@Hug0Pro
@Hug0Pro 6 жыл бұрын
Caio Prado yogg pre nerf is an infant compared to this.
@cacs2201
@cacs2201 6 жыл бұрын
Hug0Pro Yogg was random, thats the madness This is bizarre, but you know what you are trying to get with it
@mrbrightside9609
@mrbrightside9609 6 жыл бұрын
Isn't comparable to Yogg. Yogg was pure, chaotic RNG. It could completely screw or win you the game. Shudderwock is purely a benefit as long as you don't play cards with negative battlecries
@joakaro
@joakaro 6 жыл бұрын
Welp, I'm not playing Hearthstone anymore until this gets fixed/removed
@UFATCOW
@UFATCOW 6 жыл бұрын
Chuck have fun next year when it rotates out I guess.
@linuskungalv
@linuskungalv 6 жыл бұрын
UFATCOW Witchwood rotates in 2 years
@silvsilvsilv
@silvsilvsilv 6 жыл бұрын
Crybaby
@Da5kone001
@Da5kone001 6 жыл бұрын
Chuck you just hate those 47% win rate slow ass meme combos huh ?
@Kingshadowac
@Kingshadowac 6 жыл бұрын
Silv an dskone stop crying about people not liking shudderwock, you crybabies.
@spiralhaze2070
@spiralhaze2070 6 жыл бұрын
The final Battlecies lasted from 22:01 to 25:28 (it even ended prematurely since the enemy died) YOu know what's less fun than waiting for your opponent to rope for 90 seconds? Waiting an ADDITIONAL 3 AND A HALF MINUTES! Good job Blizz. Good Job.
@mrsweetkandy7673
@mrsweetkandy7673 6 жыл бұрын
I like how Hagatha was teased as a "too OP card" while it was Shudderwock all along
@peer263
@peer263 6 жыл бұрын
Jesus watching this is the most frustrating thing everrrrrrrr. Can they please just limit the number of battlecries this thing casts?? Imagine being the opponent and having to go through all these tiring animations over and over and over zzzz
@mellowhero3520
@mellowhero3520 6 жыл бұрын
peer263 Yup. I see a shudderwock I'm either conceding or going to make myself a sandwich. And then conceding
@peer263
@peer263 6 жыл бұрын
Salterino Kripperino simply clicking on the side would not skip over all the animations during the game. The players would still have to wait until the entire battlecry circus is over from the start. Also dont need to be rude and calling me an idiot, idiot. -.-
@PiPArtemis
@PiPArtemis 6 жыл бұрын
They should shorten animation times not ruin the card
@iamanironman4141
@iamanironman4141 6 жыл бұрын
I like how everyone that is crying about this deck are the same people that have been playing cubelock for months
@simbadas1234
@simbadas1234 6 жыл бұрын
you're makin some big assumptions there m8, i've never even played cubelock.
@DjTechFisch
@DjTechFisch 6 жыл бұрын
More like everyone thats crying was spamming dude/murloc paladin and secret mage
@marcogutierrez54
@marcogutierrez54 6 жыл бұрын
I am an Ironman I'm still going against cubelock over and over on ladder and casual... Brainless retards lol
@acbthr3840
@acbthr3840 6 жыл бұрын
Did... did you not see the video?
@Avalon6565
@Avalon6565 6 жыл бұрын
I was actually thinking the exact same thing while slaughtering those hypocrits and bathing in their salty tears XD
@dr.badtimes3660
@dr.badtimes3660 6 жыл бұрын
*MY JAWS THAT BITE, MY CLAWS THAT CATCH INTENSIFIES*
@icycheesecake5519
@icycheesecake5519 6 жыл бұрын
I quite literally went and made lunch while a turn of shudders went off.
@kmtsvetanov
@kmtsvetanov 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah The Witchwood is the most boring yet
@nikmidclayton5933
@nikmidclayton5933 6 жыл бұрын
Nope, TGT by farrrr
@aidan5720
@aidan5720 6 жыл бұрын
this is possibly the most broken card ive ever seen them print.
@JagEterCoola
@JagEterCoola 6 жыл бұрын
Raza The Unchained? 42 Damage burst with 3 cards?
@aidan5720
@aidan5720 6 жыл бұрын
bruh raza didnt even get used until the hero came out
@LZKS
@LZKS 6 жыл бұрын
Where is our monkeybiz with the final shudderwock, Jens?
@exantiuse497
@exantiuse497 6 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling the power level will come down as the meta warps around the deck, just like quest Rogue did. But yea, it seems pretty broken for now
@kriscrossx122
@kriscrossx122 6 жыл бұрын
The knee jerk reactions to this deck are strong. Meanwhile ive beaten it 12-0 with cube From rank 5 to legend yesterday
@Fuzhelmet
@Fuzhelmet 6 жыл бұрын
Old cancer beats new cancer...good to know.
@PiPArtemis
@PiPArtemis 6 жыл бұрын
This happens literally every expansion. A strong deck or combo comes around and everyone bitches, pisses, and moans about it until mamaBlizzard steps in to keep the game """fair"""
@kriscrossx122
@kriscrossx122 6 жыл бұрын
Its bating a 41% win rate atm which is awful But least its a good meme and flashy to make videos. If it gets nerfed least we get the dust back I suppose.
@PiPArtemis
@PiPArtemis 6 жыл бұрын
I put this same deck together that Trump is running in this video. So far I'm 2-10. Its honestly a super hit-or-miss deck that can get run over very easily before you have a chance to get the combo rolling
@kriscrossx122
@kriscrossx122 6 жыл бұрын
It loses to spiteful priest, spiteful druid, cubelock, quest rogue, odd hunter. and has a 50/50 matchup with aggro pally. It isn't anymore broken then infinite damage quest mage which required less setup to pull off. Sure it wins when I comes down and does the full combo but so did Antonidas, but you have to get there first. If you are really struggling against it play spiteful summoner in druid roll a 1 of 5 chance for tyrantus and insta win.
@-drak-8274
@-drak-8274 6 жыл бұрын
on rank 20 I could win with basicaly anything lol
@furicuri3
@furicuri3 6 жыл бұрын
The problem I have is that so shortly after release I encountered that card much too oftenalready. Suuucks!
@otakuryoga
@otakuryoga 6 жыл бұрын
we have been discussing this in our forums hearthstone thread best/easiest ways to stop this we came up with were: 1) change Grumble to reduce returned minions by 5(to no less than 1) or 2) change Saronite battlecry to read Summon another Saronite Chain Gang--meaning no more multiple shudders and no more 20 minute turns
@Strrroke
@Strrroke 6 жыл бұрын
This combo was so obvious, no way Blizzard could overlook it. The only explanation is that it was intended, which by itself is very disturbing to say the least. A multi billion dollar company that wants their customers to suffer
@teewinxiao1164
@teewinxiao1164 6 жыл бұрын
Геннадий Харитонов while I can't say you're wrong from my initial games as aggro it's pretty easy to kill them before they get the combo. Thats not optimal, but at least a deck archetype is feasible against it, rather than shamanstone during kharazhan
@Strrroke
@Strrroke 6 жыл бұрын
It's beatable, I'm not going to argue, but the way this card is implemented is simply awful. Also I think Shudderwock is a problem, because it will limit design space for Blizzard in future expansions
@acbthr3840
@acbthr3840 6 жыл бұрын
Ben Brode apparently told the design team to change it when he learned that this was a thing like three weeks ago, but they insisted it would be fine. Lol Blizzard QA
@teewinxiao1164
@teewinxiao1164 6 жыл бұрын
Геннадий Харитонов I agree, but this isn't the first time they've coded themselves into a hole. They'll nerf it into oblivion eventually. And by eventually I mean the season before rotation in two years when they realise wild exists and they created a worse brann in terms of creative card design.
@mrbrightside9609
@mrbrightside9609 6 жыл бұрын
The same way that nobody at blizzard could've predicted that a card that makes hero powers free would be cancer when combined with a card that makes your hero power deal 2 and refresh per card or by completely negating a classes inherent downsides by allowing them to heal for absurd amounts and cheat out powerful cards balanced by negative battlecries. For a company as big as Blizzard, you'd think they'd have more component people to see these kinda things.
@jimmystevetron4428
@jimmystevetron4428 6 жыл бұрын
atleast this deck is interesting. sure beats the rank 19 cubelock net deckers spamming "well played" 24/7 thinking theyre good at the game miss playing and still winning lol
@samuelham4520
@samuelham4520 6 жыл бұрын
JimmyStevetron it's not really that interesting. It just a control deck with a stupidly broken win condition.
@Orbital_Dew
@Orbital_Dew 6 жыл бұрын
wait ? you talking about cubelock now ?
@arkham8117
@arkham8117 6 жыл бұрын
Cubelock is much more interesting than this
@samuelham4520
@samuelham4520 6 жыл бұрын
help - i'm a conspiracy theoriest nope, shudderwock is just a control deck with the shudderwock as it's win condition. It's not a "combo" because you just play the battlecries whenever and then play shudderwock and win. Shudderwock is a combo in the same way bloodreaver Guldan is a combo.
@theprogressivecynic2407
@theprogressivecynic2407 6 жыл бұрын
If you could use the tri-class discover to get Tess Graymane in this deck you would end up falling into an infinite singularity of battlecries.
@valeclaw1697
@valeclaw1697 6 жыл бұрын
My second game was against Shudderwock Shaman. He was at 1 HP, back up to full in just 3 turns.
@antixerum
@antixerum 6 жыл бұрын
*WE WILL TAKE JERUSALEM*
@maxmalten7749
@maxmalten7749 6 жыл бұрын
antiXerum Deus Vult
@Zuignap
@Zuignap 6 жыл бұрын
Can anyone explain how shudderwock works to me? Why does he need to complete these steps before playing shudderwock? Why does it not matter in what order he completes the steps?
@knavenformed9436
@knavenformed9436 6 жыл бұрын
Use your brain for 10 minutes. It's the same as Lynessa.
@Zuignap
@Zuignap 6 жыл бұрын
vili rantala then idk how lynessa works.
@Zuignap
@Zuignap 6 жыл бұрын
Why does he need to play murmuring -> grumble
@pierrickcoquil6532
@pierrickcoquil6532 6 жыл бұрын
To return the murmuring such that it costs 1 to then play it alongside shudderwock
@McJaews
@McJaews 6 жыл бұрын
You get back a 1 mana murmuring so you can play it on the same turn as Rubberducky.
@aleksandarrrrr7147
@aleksandarrrrr7147 6 жыл бұрын
add primordial...Toast did it and it was nice to clear if you didnt have all the steps, like the mage, you would of cleared and you wouldnt rely on getting a missing part on time
@RealDaswolfen
@RealDaswolfen 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know how that made it past QA, but I am glad it did...
@IIDASHII
@IIDASHII 6 жыл бұрын
That Cruching Walls....Ahahahaha.
@TehBuhb
@TehBuhb 6 жыл бұрын
24:10 Anyone notice Shudderwock getting lone champion's effect even though there's another Shudderwock on board?
@harrygarris6921
@harrygarris6921 6 жыл бұрын
After about 50 games in the new expansion I still haven't seen a shudderwock deck on ladder yet.
@SchplatJR
@SchplatJR 6 жыл бұрын
8:16 the unicorn is missing it’s untargetable animation.
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