“The Council recognizes the validity of this coupon.” Golden; just golden
@leeclements3233 жыл бұрын
Ha ha how he pronounces 'coupon'
@Really_Skunkey2 жыл бұрын
Bro I never remember saying that
@ViperaRaddei4 жыл бұрын
I'm just gonna say this: no one reviews a game better than Quinns...
@Lowkey-NoPressure4 жыл бұрын
I've lost so much money due to his enthusiasm
@Karadum4 жыл бұрын
@@Lowkey-NoPressure That is why I love No Pun Included - a lot less enthusiasm :D
@psid99074 жыл бұрын
@@Lowkey-NoPressure but how much joy have you received in return? Quinns is the best board game reviewer, the tabletop universe's Marie Kondo
@Yeldibus4 жыл бұрын
He really is the best. It must be crazy to be THE BEST at something in the whole friggin world! :D
@SlytherpuffHouse4 жыл бұрын
@@psid9907 I think he might be the anti-Marie Kondo given that he's encouraging you to fill your house with large boxes full of stuff.
@druidofsorrow4 жыл бұрын
Two reliable 9 hour gaming sessions with a dedicated group of 5 players? Never heard of such nonsense.
@jeanotrilow56474 жыл бұрын
Whenever I'm in the comment sections about games like this, I can't help but be happy that my group is that committed and reliable. In the last weeks, we played a total of 20 hours of The Rise of Queensdale over three weekends, and once we're done with that, I'll get my hands on The King's Dilemma.
@Falkdr4 жыл бұрын
those happy few.
@CatLegoDiver4 жыл бұрын
Jeanot Rilow best of luck. I can’t get it. But. Canada.
@Cergorach4 жыл бұрын
When it's your job, you kinda make the effort to get something like that done on a regular basis, just like a regular 8-9 hour workday. But fun... ;-)
@Maric184 жыл бұрын
my pen and paper group is a bunch of weirdos, but at least i have whittled them down to people that play at least 5 hours every single week. It is glorious
@g8kpr30004 жыл бұрын
Another game i’d love to play but never will due to time constraints and having a consistent 5 player group.
@jesusglez094 жыл бұрын
RIP for those of us gamers without gamer friends
@zoozoc14 жыл бұрын
You don't need 5 players. And the group doesn't have to be consistent (though obviously it will be better with a consistent group). Less players is fine so long as there isn't a big player-involvement discrepancy (people need to be involved in the game). With 5 people, it is ok for 1 or 2 to not be as serious, but with 3, everyone needs to be in it or else it wouldn't be fun.
@recklessroges4 жыл бұрын
But the review was still aces!
@z-beeblebrox4 жыл бұрын
@@zoozoc1 The thing with 3 player games is that triangle guarantees either one person is being ganged up on or two players are ensuring the third one wins. For some games, their design either ensure this isn't a problem, or they're complex enough that it's never quite obvious which thing is happening. But any game where voting or bidding is involved, it becomes a pretty big issue.
@Eike_Peace4 жыл бұрын
My answer is: Tabletop Simulator This is, how it works for us Also we're fine with some people not being in every session but that's up to you. But the TTS helps with the organizing
@fireant2024 жыл бұрын
This game looks awesome...but who is this mysterious group of 5 total people that can play a board game for 9 hours straight?! That sounds straight up mythical to me. Wish I had such a dedicated group!
@HeWhoLaugths Жыл бұрын
'sigh'
@et2neoh4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of megagames, I've been thinking about getting together a large group to play this where each player is assigned to a house and each house assigns a different player to play each session. So that each game would have that moment where players just go, "my parents were dingbats" while everybody in the sidelines holds their head in shame as they go, "my kid is a disapointment..."
@j.prt.9794 жыл бұрын
et2neoh lol
@felix34ever14 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant
@ericfolsom44954 жыл бұрын
First game I kept getting our money low for military and my best friend wanted money high. 2nd game someone asked my friend to vote Aye, he said "for 1 coin I will", he was handed a coin. I said "oh, so is that all it takes to buy the loyalty of House Orion? A single coin?" without missing a beat he replied "A single coin is all we'll have in our treasury if your house has anything to say about it.". We fist bumped, it was one of many great moments. There was also a moment of something terrible happening and my friend went "I'd hate anything to happen to my cousin, so please vote nay...while I pass for power."
@DrHopeSickNotes4 жыл бұрын
Liked for 'fading out a medieval backing track'
@andriypredmyrskyy77914 жыл бұрын
Realizing that this is how actual politicians deal with people's actual lives is peak 2020.
@stevenandersen69892 жыл бұрын
What?
@JKT844 жыл бұрын
Quinns, you’ve truly outdone yourself this time. That hotdog metaphor was pure poetry.
@Coffee3lf4 жыл бұрын
12:16 did you mean to say “Prestige” here? You said “leading in Crave” twice.
@babyactheking4 жыл бұрын
No.
@showtelll4 жыл бұрын
No.
@joshuaromanik85594 жыл бұрын
Yes. Prestige then crave.
@Nelsn34 жыл бұрын
The votes are in and it appears the "Nay"s have it. Quinns did not mean to say Prestige.
@paulcarey42654 жыл бұрын
Pass.
@twoskullz71294 жыл бұрын
The alternative recommendation at the end is a nice feature! I'm happy every time I get one.
@otakuribo4 жыл бұрын
"Prestige" as in "prestigious" "Crave" as in "craven" Crave is a measure of how ruthless you are, measured by how few ruths you possess.
@charleshaughtry4 жыл бұрын
Used here, crave is the craving for personal power, not the indication that you are craven.
@cpeterso4 жыл бұрын
@@Dehalove Give him a break, he's keeping 3 Ruth's in his basement
@Accatitippi4 жыл бұрын
@@cpeterso Ruthful, indeed.
@ae41644 жыл бұрын
Except craven means "cowardly" and not "ruthless"...
@artstsym4 жыл бұрын
Used here, crave is the craving for White Castle, a hankering which only becomes stronger as you indulge it.
@aresx6664 жыл бұрын
9 hours straight?? Quinns how do i become part of your play group
@timgrebin4 жыл бұрын
Literally
@z-beeblebrox4 жыл бұрын
The only explanation is that he's luring unsuspecting players in with his copious Star Wars miniatures and then kidnapping them
@000GunterGabriel0004 жыл бұрын
Players heaven.
@SacredDaturaa4 жыл бұрын
Nine hours sounds brutal! I feel like I start to flag after about 4-5 hours.
@DetectiveMekova4 жыл бұрын
My gaming group sometimes have 12 or even 14 hour session! Once a month on a Saturday we start at 12:00PM and end whenever we pass out.
@Shot0074 жыл бұрын
I see SUSD New Video...I Click to view the video. I either agree or disagree. But I never think the quality of their content is bad. Keep up the excellent work SUSD and keep representing board games in a professional, genuine and funny way!
@thomass74734 жыл бұрын
I used to be tempted by kickstarter projects, now i'm just buying all games Su&Sd reviews...
@UCeagle794 жыл бұрын
This was a work of art for a game review. This sounds like an amazing game and your advice about roleplaying was important... if I had 4 friends to play with I would buy this. But damn I would watch the Shut up and Sit down speed play this game. These are smart experienced players playing this game fast and wild. It would be a sight.
@kieranomahony73434 жыл бұрын
Just thinking about sharing the 'ban it, ban it, ban it!' experience with my friends made me misty eyed and hopeful. Great review!
@gqsnowman4 жыл бұрын
This game is SOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD! And I can totally see people hating it but for my group of friends, it's perfect. I've been a horrible scheming monster in our game and it's delightful.
@luiscarlosqg4 жыл бұрын
Yeah! It seems to be really good. It is a shame it is a legacy game :(
@charleshaughtry4 жыл бұрын
@@luiscarlosqg - The fact that it's a legacy game is what makes the game work. It's like you're saying "Axis & Allies seems to be really good; it is a shame that it is a war game." The game is literally about your family's legacy.
@z-beeblebrox4 жыл бұрын
@@luiscarlosqg If you're looking for a game that's inherently legacy by design but not an actual legacy game, Oath is coming out soon. But it plays absolutely nothing like this, so I wouldn't say they're comparable besides the generational thing.
@thecoolerrats71444 жыл бұрын
This sounds like a great game to throw off all the math nerds I play with. Euro games with engineers and computer scientists sucks if you’re not one.
@davekachel4 жыл бұрын
I'm the only maths guy in my group. It sucks too.
@bakedutah84114 жыл бұрын
The Cooler Rats: or, as my wife puts it, _”It’s like I live in The Big Bang Theory!!”_
@ThePadawan34 жыл бұрын
(It also sucks if you're one, but want to forget that to have a fun evening)
@mattsnyder47544 жыл бұрын
What you do get to do is fill in little boxes Shut up and take my money.
@shadowtheory75004 жыл бұрын
"I'm in the middle of a review! Shut up and sit down!"
@yashizuko4 жыл бұрын
That “since crokinole” has a lot of weight on it hahaha
@zoozoc14 жыл бұрын
For anyone thinking about buying the game, it is pretty easy to play the game in such a way that it is replayable/re-sellable. Just use pencil to write instead of pen and don't place any of the stickers, just tape the non-stick backs to the board. For end-game stickers, simply reveal them but don't stick them to the manual (save the covers for resetting). When resetting the game, simply cover the end-game stickers with the covers via tape. Erase all of the pencil marks on everything. Put the cards back into their envelopes (all cards have markings that tell you where they go). The stickers are a bit harder since you can't put them back into the binding, but you can put them in order at least.
@luiscarlosqg4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it would have been nice if the had done it replayable by default.
@zoozoc14 жыл бұрын
@@luiscarlosqg Something like this would've been amazing as a board game with a digital app. It did take over an hour to reset the game after playing it once. And for some people, that isn't worth the effort.
@luiscarlosqg4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback. At least now we know it is possible to reset the game if you really try. Good job!
@philguer48024 жыл бұрын
7:38 So Apartheid is a widely debated subject in your circle... I SEE HOW THIS IS
@kane27424 жыл бұрын
15:24
@ThatGuy532974 жыл бұрын
"the buggar is gone... and there's no mess!" Love that line.
@samanthaelskamp94703 жыл бұрын
Banger, unAmerican English for Hotdog/Sausage.
@Shot0074 жыл бұрын
I really love that you waited until the whole story was complete before posting the review. Other outlets tried to push the review early and kept saying they were not done yet. Good job SUSD
@sanctumsanctorum4130 Жыл бұрын
We played King's Dilemma through to the end, largely on the strength of this review (and in fact I purchased "A War Of Whispers" because of their review of that game). KD is very good but its not so much a game, as it is an experience. Quinn's likening it to a "murder mystery dinner party" is spot on: sure, there are goals and points and scores and things but these ultimately don't mean anything. There is a "winner" (I in fact was the joint winner at the end of the game) but after literally weeks of playing with lots of decisions, deals and betrayals, thinking of the game as a binary "winner" or "loser" is very reductive. It is an abstract, narrative heavy, roleplaying experience of various political factions running a fantasy kingdom. If that sounds like your jam, you'll love it, and I would thoroughly recommend it with the caveat that only if you can get the same group together to play consistently over a couple of months. And I can't wait for the sequel.
@samisaarela47104 жыл бұрын
I was at the edge of my seat watching red wine being poured back into the bottle next to a boardgame.
@GamergaidenX3 жыл бұрын
Finally got a copy of this after months of it being out of stock, we have a solid four man group and I can say that even with just four people it plays remarkably well. You'd think it frequently would devolve into 2 nays/2 ayes stalemates but no. The voting system in this game is beyond good, that money and power you get from abstaining makes it a viable option even when it goes against your best interests and it's also the only way to obtain the mighty Tiebreaker token. Frequently we all actively stayed away from tie votes because we knew the tiebreaker could just break them or encouraged more discussion. "Hey I know you voted for this outcome and you COULD use your tiebreaker token to force it through but hey bud, wouldn't ya like gold and maybe House Wolftooth owes ya favor down the road?" Ah! The way it handles LOSING the vote, my goodness, you get your power BACK if you lose where if you win the vote you lose that power to communal pool. So many times I'd make a big bet, regret it, and then breathe a sigh of relief when I lost and watch my opponents begrudgingly get what they wanted but also have to put their votes back into the pool. It is a delightful storytelling engine in the style of something closer to Dungeons and Dragons that I can't get enough of. My DnD group forgoes DnD to play this instead. So glad I was able to get a copy over Christmas as a gift to myself.
@drakir474 жыл бұрын
Well... Now I have to buy this as well. Please keep on destroying my bank account with your quality content, I love it.
@ChristopherZubin4 жыл бұрын
16:23 Boom Mic IV, the self-reflective reboot simply titled: _Boom_ _Mic_
@AdamWarner2 жыл бұрын
Recently played and finished The Kings Dilemma. It was the best game experience I've ever had, and I'm now in mourning. We played with just 3 people but it really worked well. Over the course of the games it became more about soft power and bluffing. Before voting we would often lie about our intentions, sometimes this would result in a planned deadlock which the moderator would then exploit. Absolutely depends on the group of people you are playing with, but it can be an absolute blast with 3.
@LightPink2 жыл бұрын
How much did your group lean into roleplay?
@Pabor2 жыл бұрын
You'll be glad to know Horrible Games is planning on a kickstarter for The Queen's Dilemma.
@AdamWarner2 жыл бұрын
@@LightPink No so much role play but we definitely played towards our house goals.
@AdamWarner2 жыл бұрын
@@Pabor yep, can't wait!
@rossmillington87004 жыл бұрын
12:23 "The players that are leading in crave want a bright future.... However, the players who are leading in crave want a dark future.." Hahaa nice review, have been looking forward to this one since i saw it anounced
@michaelbootes48223 жыл бұрын
Got my hands on this game. We’re 4-5 sessions in by the end of session 2 I hadn’t won a single vote without just having more authority than everyone else on the board and yet still I achieved my narrative goal. I’m loving this goal
@andrzejsugier4 жыл бұрын
16:13 Awww man, I always imagined there's a person behind the camera in those reviews, but the mirror reveals the truth! Now it feels so lonely!
@joelface4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes there is.
@alessandroford15914 жыл бұрын
Yeah I am going to have a D&D game with this as the backdrop, Players play as the noble houses that create the Macro-Level circumstances in which the adventures have to deal with on a micro-level
@alistairrolleston314 жыл бұрын
Quick request, can you just review bad games for the rest of the year? My bank have said they can't offer me any more loans to fund the purchasing of board games I'm not going to play because I can't get a group together
@Godeiche3 жыл бұрын
We're at game 11 of this gem, playing one night a week remotely (there's a nice Google Spreadsheet to keep track of everything - even the board). We're having a BLAST. We DO roleplay, yes, because it's intrinsically linked to the core fun and theme of the game. I cannot recommend this game enough if you're even slightly interested in GoT, politics in general, or just enjoy bickering about literally ANY topic. Also, KILLER review!
@RoyAnderson2 жыл бұрын
By any chance, do you have a link to the spreadsheet? Thanks!
@eskurian85653 жыл бұрын
First time seeing one of this man's reviews. He has absolute perfect melody and pacing in his lines. A delight to listen to. I am now subsribed!
@flyinghuskystudios85512 жыл бұрын
Watch his Captain Sonar review! Excellent analysis and shows his passion for games. First review of his that I saw. :)
@brianb.63563 жыл бұрын
15:15 My group was kinda the opposite of this. Four of the five houses we picked ranged from kinda cosmopolitan to very cosmopolitan. By around the halfway point, my wealthy farming house was openly teaming up with the weird cult house (the one conservative house) to "make the people dumber" because all this knowledge was getting in the way of me getting any of my achievements.
@danielmoran35784 жыл бұрын
I never thought I would hear “Addictive” and “Political” in the same sentence
@jakobsievers4 жыл бұрын
So much of Facebook's business model is people getting hooked on arguing politics (among other things)😊
@paulsccduff3 жыл бұрын
Just finished the campaign with four players. Quinns' enthusiasm inspired me to get the group together and play. It took eighteen games. The first three were energised by the newness and nature of the mechanics. The next 15.5 games were a repetitive grind in which we had no idea of how we were going to use the prestige and / or crave we were gaining, or the comparative value between the two. It was just aimless as we built up our stocks of these resources not knowing how they'll be used. The last half hour we finally learned how prestige / crave were used and so it was a mad dash to the finish. Also, we found no 'rubber banding' to level the playing field for the fourth player who joined in game three. She was also at a disadvantage the entire game having had less time to collect prestige / crave. I respect Quinns' opinions but, for our group, this was the worst gaming experience of the year.
@dark-folklore3 жыл бұрын
Yep, the fun that people will get out of this game is based more on the players and the conditions of play and less on the game's design. Even though the base game loop - voting and seeing consequences play out - is good, the game is powerless in helping players to avoid bad experiences... Someone joined the game late - they will always be behind in both crowns and knowledge in how the game works... As an exmaple...
@KnightmareLive4 жыл бұрын
We're halfway through, I built a trophy for the winner of each round that gets passed between us... SUCH a good game!!
@Wookien4 жыл бұрын
"The players who are leading in crave would like..." later: "However the players who are leading in crave would rather"? Wait what? Shouldn't one of these have been prestige?
@EjvindGEMDark4 жыл бұрын
The first one! It's at 12:20 if Quinns reads this.
@Electroporcupine4 жыл бұрын
Oh wow the central mechanic really is just Reigns. It's a cool mechanic, thematic and yet simple. Glad to see it getting around.
@TheShapingSickness4 жыл бұрын
Actual ultimate game of thrones board game, come on you can't just make me regret a war of whispers like that!
@zawadi99494 жыл бұрын
I think it is absolutely fine owning both tbh, a war of whispers is a fast game of deduction and war, while this seems to be mostly negotiation
@tamijo-4 жыл бұрын
Hey, if you're looking to get rid of it I can't get it anywhere so hit me up! 😇
@tomd26664 жыл бұрын
10:45 wow! WOW! Rude! What if the dog wanted to play, Quinn?
@matvocaat4 жыл бұрын
1:40 that song is also used by useful charts as their intro. It's a really cool song
@ghost_in_the_systemАй бұрын
Playing the full campaign of this game is perhaps the greatest board gaming experience I've ever had.
@Shenaldrac4 жыл бұрын
I sure wish I had friends outside of the internet I could play all these board games I keep buying on SUASD's recommendation. Oh well. At least the boxes look pretty on my shelves.
@joelface4 жыл бұрын
Don't give up. Look for a board game cafe or a board game meet up in your area, and if you keep going you'll find people you click with.. who would love to play some of the games you have shared interests with. It's not as hard as you think, because there are absolutely other people in your area who are hunting for people to play their games with as well. :)
@SmoggySandwich4 жыл бұрын
Now that myself and my friends all have kids, getting together to play games is so hard. God I wish I could play this game.
@adavis59264 жыл бұрын
You guys are my only subscribed boardgame reviewers that make me want to buy games I otherwise wouldn't even look at. Brilliant!
@bennoblaschke11693 жыл бұрын
Our gaming group loves this game - in fact it has become our #1 favourite game. Will there be more? Is there a part 2 coming? Or will there be a new game with the core mechanics but a new skin and story?
@ilqrd.66084 жыл бұрын
Quinn I’m just happy that you come dressed for your videos and make an effort with your style. The board game content on youtube is often talking heads, shitty angles, no edits and terrible terrible outfits
@j.prt.9794 жыл бұрын
Ilqr D. Yeah lol. NPI is generally good as well
@Tomcat_923 жыл бұрын
SU & SD Is officially my Kickstarter guiding light
@MrR1ma4 жыл бұрын
10:40 A Kylie sighting! Yay.
@DrMcFly284 жыл бұрын
It's only an ultimate Game of Thrones boardgame if the last part of the game is one player randomly setting fire to your apartment while another who sat most of the game out gets declared a winner.
@Manomet84 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this concept!! I was inspired to build something similar, a castle/island surrounded by a ring of train tracks with a wall and a moat, but never really got too far with it. Might pick that back up again as you work on this one. Can’t wait to see where this goes!
@robbiesworld91567 ай бұрын
12:23 I think Quinns meant to say the players leading in Prestige will want a bright future for the kingdom since it’s slowly becoming theirs 😂
@dfhellraiser4td4 жыл бұрын
My friends and I have been playing this game and are nearing the end. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
@andreasmalits3954 жыл бұрын
Great Review as always ... can this game handle players dropping in and out of sessions?
@JCPRuckus4 жыл бұрын
As long as you can get someone to fill in, definitely. In a way that's actually more thematic since it is a generational story where house leadership would inevitably change. Whether popping houses in and out would work though, I cannot say. Although that would be interesting to try.
@slavenkarakas4 жыл бұрын
Board Game of the year for me, best 2019 game we had so much fun I can't even describe it with words. Pure joy.
@chewiewins4 жыл бұрын
We into our 5th game and loving it so far. Tried prequel at Essen and really enjoyed it. Best of all is by using removable stickers, it has been possible to preserve it so far!
@johnlouis50314 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for removable stickers for this! Where did you buy them?
@chewiewins4 жыл бұрын
@@johnlouis5031 need some cutting to size but easy enough to do. So far working! smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007JWGSGM/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_2VCuEb2F7RDN6
@JaysonVaughn5 ай бұрын
i feel like the high stability means something like a Meiji restoration, with the King thinking the time is nigh to reclaim power from the nobles, ending the families' political tomfoolery and with it the game, but after some shenanigans, the restoration only lasts until his majesty's death and with that end comes the return of the great houses.
@Karadum4 жыл бұрын
Ok, it is a legacy game, but damn I was nervous while he poured the wine into the bottle over the game...
@soppoi1234 жыл бұрын
Didn't he just ruin it with the marker?
@Karadum4 жыл бұрын
@@soppoi123 A marker strangely did not elicit such a gut feeling of panic as the wine :D Maybe due to the legacy aspect.
@yannblondaux60024 жыл бұрын
Sounds like my kind of game, just a shame I'm never going to experience this. Just no friends like yours and boring life and obligations in the way..
@BoardGamesUnLocked4 жыл бұрын
He failed to mention the legacy aspect of this game and how it's only a one-time play. Normally, this isn't a problem but for us, it left a bitter taste in our mouth because if we wanted a specific story element to happen and it didn't, we could never go back and see what could've happened. The backstabbing and trickery would've have been a problem but for one person to buy the game only to see it go in a direction that they couldn't change, it was frustrating. Just bringing this up in case anyone has any concerns! Otherwise, he's correct in this review!
@Dermetsu4 жыл бұрын
He uses visual aids to let you know this. Like showing pen on the cardboard, or the crave tick marks. Edit: he also says it near the end a few times.
@BoardGamesUnLocked4 жыл бұрын
Adrian Callahan Sure but I feel like it was used more to avoid spoilers and it does warrant at least mentioning it can’t be played again
@dragonfang123214 жыл бұрын
@@BoardGamesUnLocked In the summary at the end he clearly says its a legacy game, before recommending another legacy game. That and any game that puts stickers on the board will be a legacy game. True it wasn't called Kings Dilemma Legacy but it was very clear what it was.
@BoardGamesUnLocked4 жыл бұрын
dragonfang12321 Yes but there are multiple legacy games that can continue to be played afterwards. This is not one of them. All I’m saying is that it should be emphasized more than just mentioning stickers and the word legacy
@zoozoc14 жыл бұрын
It takes very little effort to play this game such that it is replayable. Just use pencil instead of pen and don't stick the stickers to the board. There is nothing in the "legacy" elements that requires permanent changes.
@markpettersson68244 жыл бұрын
Quinns does not understand what a spike is in volleyball 0:45
@lindybeige4 жыл бұрын
I wish you'd get off the fence. Did you like this game or didn't you?
@jamesinifiniz Жыл бұрын
Media literacy is not everyone's strong suit I guess
@Bigpete90004 жыл бұрын
With the stickers, markers and sealed envelopes this looks like is a one time play through .. is there a way to play to make it less 'permanent' if your group of players changes from session to session ?
@greencat13142 жыл бұрын
No, there isn't. You could play the game with a changing group, by changing the houses (up to 15 different people), but since it's a legacy game, that's kinda pointless. The most fun part is seeing the storielines evolve, which just doesn't work with ever hanging groups.
@stevelucido2663 жыл бұрын
Bought this about a week before the lockdown. I look it at it longingly waiting for the day when I will finally play it with my game group....
@MrSomethingdark4 жыл бұрын
Great painting at the end of the table.
@danejt24 жыл бұрын
I do appreciate your reviews. However, because of your positive review, I will never get to play this game. Everything is sold out, or charging $300, and this makes me sad.
@HectorialInfection3 жыл бұрын
Heya, dunno if you'll see this, but I recently managed to pick up this game on Amazon for around $70, so it might be back in stock in some places?
@Bodyknock4 жыл бұрын
I am totally with Quinn's on this one. King's Dilemma is my favorite game from 2019. I'm actually playing two separate campaigns of it with two different groups and from the very first game the two groups went along completely different paths in the branching stories and have very different houses in their councils. It's one of the rare games both groups have sat down and voluntarily opted to play two or three rounds at a time just to continue seeing what happens in it. And, like Quinn's said, it's hilarious as you try to "justify" doing really horrible things simply because, for your current house, you want a certain slider to go down instead of up. 😈 The main issue I might have with the game are that it definitely plays best if you can keep playing with the same group of four or five people over and over a couple dozen times. Because of the way the stories progress and your individual houses evolve and "check off boxes" it would be far less satisfying to have certain houses and players dropping in and out of individual games. The individual games are short, about an hour or so, but the overall time commitment might be problematic depending on the regularity of your game group. And, of course, it's a one-shot playthrough per game. So if, like me, you want to play more than once you have to buy a new copy of the game. Which isn't TOO bad considering how many hours of enjoyment you get out of each purchase, but it's certainly not something to do unless you can be SURE you're going to actually be able to play completely through it more than once. Otherwise it's a fantastic game, I can't sing its praises enough. The gameplay is good and the writing is fantastic and the decisions you make are often quite interesting. I'll be very interested to see if they do a King's Dilemma sequel or a new game with a similar system. P.S. And buy yourself a small toy gavel on the side for whoever is the Moderator each round. It's well worth the couple of bucks. 😉
@kelliealanis9485 Жыл бұрын
no replayability on this one? how about i play a different role or House the 2nd game? will it give me different experience?
@noahpettit557 Жыл бұрын
Curious about the last point about justifying morally horrible actions. Is that actually part of the game strategy/mechanics, or just roleplaying flavor on top? It is hard to imagine trying to convince another player to vote on something based on some value outside of game mechanics, but maybe I am misunderstanding. Can you explain how the ethics of the dilemmas factor in? Genuinely curious as I am considering buying this game. thanks!
@cannonshots20004 жыл бұрын
So it's the board game version of the video game Reigns?
@devinbaird24704 жыл бұрын
And it's multiplayer.
@luketfer4 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is there is already a board game version of Reigns :D
@TorIverWilhelmsen4 жыл бұрын
@@luketfer Ironically that game will arrive after this one. It's more of a party game, too.
@SapSapient4 жыл бұрын
SUSD Review Warning: Quick, buy this game before it is sold out everywhere.
@jdragon88124 жыл бұрын
SapSapient I know it’s not is stock till 2021
@redsands10014 жыл бұрын
Lately when I see a game shoot up the hot track on BGG it's because of you guys
@Grimscribe732 Жыл бұрын
Oh god, I know I would absolutely love this game. However, I know that I see all the people I could play this with maybe once a year. Still, I'll probably buy this, and let it collect dust while looking at it every once in a while to daydream of the good times that could've been.
@dkwspecial4 жыл бұрын
As of this comment my group is about halfway through the campaign, this review is pretty spot on. Very enjoyable with 5 players.
@lordbiscuitthetossable53524 жыл бұрын
Oh boy, there's so much British banter in here that I feel my crumpet moisten. The only thing more tragic is I can't seem to get hold of this game anywhere! Rawrrr! I will certainly keep an eye for it however. It sounds incredible.
@thehinster66204 жыл бұрын
After coming off of a week-long CK2 binge, hearing the background music had me freaking out thinking i left the game on.
@bangboom1234 жыл бұрын
How well d'you reckon this would work if you had the same houses but one or two different players representing them? I think I can get enough people to play this but I don't think I can consistently get the same five.
@tamijo-4 жыл бұрын
I've always been interested in this idea, and while I can't comment on King's Dilemma, I believe Oath is going to satisfy that kind of desire, so I'm excited to pick that up.
@dark-folklore3 жыл бұрын
The idea of the game is that there is a campaign of 15 individual games and each individual game is one generation of people. So... By definition, it makes sense that for game nr.1 you would have Bob lead house "A", but for game nr.2 Bob can't make it and Lucy leads house "A" in his stead. AKA Lucy is now playing as Bob`s descendant now. This makes sense, but... 1. Not everyone (Bob) might like the idea that someone else (Lucy) is going to play as their house. 2. Many (Lucy) might not like the house they get to play In someone else's stead. The way to fix this could be to choose houses as teams. Lucy AND Bob choose to play house A together and they agree that if one can`t make it the other one can join in. 3. Another fix... You could allow people, if they join the game later, to choose one of the houses that have not been picked already, but that means (possibly) that the houses that have been there for all the 15 games might acquire more prestige/crave to win the game and the houses that were present for fewer games - might not even have a chance. I have not finished the game with my group yet, so I can`t provide evidence whether this is the case. 4. There might be an issue that those players who get to play all 15 games will know the mechanics better than the ones that only come to play sometimes. If you can figure out how to manage this/prepare you group, then this can work.
@alexdschmidt2 жыл бұрын
Your reports are great, as always. But if I keep seeing drinks next to the board, I'm going to have a heart attack. Greetings from Buenos Aires.
@gjkf4 жыл бұрын
I feel like we need a gameplay of this! It would be awesome if you could release the video of your group's games. Great review, as always!
@nolifeSnorlax4 жыл бұрын
This review was so hilarious I can't even xD
@Ghosthacker944 жыл бұрын
one minute ago gang. But also interested how there's now a bunch of GoT-esque political intrigue games cropping up Edit: This looks very fun... but no way I'd consistently get people together to play this :(
@ZephyrTM1014 жыл бұрын
It's because everyone wants to write a better ending to the show.
@sauronmauron69654 жыл бұрын
Political games always existed,we are noticing them more now because of the influence of the show
@LovedLisa3 жыл бұрын
Pouring wine back into the bottle while the game is still unpacked all around it 🤔😥😲 But thanks so much for the video! Laughed all the way through and ordered straight after finishing it
@MG-oj7rr4 жыл бұрын
After finishing 2nd risk legacy, where games sometimes can snowball to be finished in 3-4 turns, lead to every turn of discussions of 10mins to a 45 mins discussions, deals, convincing etc. This kings dilemma feels perfect for our group.
@zakkoehler68204 жыл бұрын
SU&SD are my new favorite Reviewers.
@theeholliday4 жыл бұрын
That shot at 6 minutes. ooooo cinematic glory. feels good.
@sd30314 жыл бұрын
Every god damn review, I'm searching how to buy the game, and I hear the turn in the review and get cold feet. EVERY TIME.
@super_77104 жыл бұрын
My Dilemma is I need friends to play this with
@ddmalarkey4 жыл бұрын
Amazing! I literally just stopped listening to you guys talking about this game on your podcast and idly flicked over to KZfaq to find the video newly uploaded 😁
@BoardGameHangover3 жыл бұрын
We just got it and o boy do we want to play it. The only thing stopping us is getting those 5 players. Three is easy, four is doable, 5 is...
@elbench Жыл бұрын
I do love SUSD reviews, they are certainly entretaining and instruccional. Now with regards the Kings Dilema, my opinion is that the game is VERY repetitive and it has a major flaw which is the way you score. The problem from my perspective is that the story makes no sense when you are trying to score as much as you can. The card you select at the begging of the game forces you to move the sliders in a certain way and thus all the voting makes no sense at all but trying to move the sliders in a certain direction So there is really no discussion on the table it is just deciding which direction will help me win and after 6 games, it became quite boring. The story is great and also interesting to see how it evolves, but since it really doesn't matter because it is not tied to how you score, after those games, nobody cared about the story. If you and you team of players dont care about winning then maybe the story might be intriguing. But if you care aboout game mechanics and winning, this is very basic and fails where a lot of legacy games fail by becoming super repetitive in a very short time.
@adastra31474 жыл бұрын
As an Italian I feel offended by that wine thing you did
@YouMadeMeSmileToday4 жыл бұрын
Great review. The game looks like one I would love to watch, but I really can't get into playing these sort of games. I'm not someone who is good at the whole bringing out characters or getting into the manipulation. Maybe with the right group I could get into it, but that isn't today.
@zachgaskins37314 жыл бұрын
I'm excited about the play of this game, but it not being resettable kills my interest. Sidereal Confluence feels like a great alternative for hardcore wheeler-dealers.
@eepopgames27414 жыл бұрын
There is a recharge pack available for the low low cost of a second copy of the game.
@Memnaelar4 жыл бұрын
$70 for a 15-session finite game is roughly $5 a play. And how many games do most players get to 15 plays these days?
@Falkdr4 жыл бұрын
just 5$ a play. Awesome. After the campaign and when this game is a long time out of print and my kids are old enough I can't wait to show to them what great games we had back then so we can have a great time toge.... oh wait...
@eepopgames27414 жыл бұрын
@@Falkdr 1) If it is important to you, you can put in the extra work to make the game state reversible. 2) If it is a great game, it will get a reprint, or get reimplemented somewhere else that obsoletes it. 3) If you aren't willing to do step 1, and have worries about 2, buy and store a copy. I have a copy of Gloomhaven stored for when my kids are old enough to give it a spin. We're talking like $1 per person-hour of entertainment. That is a great rate when you look at nearly anything outside of board games or tabletop RPGs. Reusability is not a free add on for the company developing a legacy game, it takes additional product design work, likely more expensive components, etc. When most of the buyers of their game are likely to stretch to even finish one campaign, on some level it would be costing the majority of their customers more for something that only the fringe cares about. Look at how many comments on this very video are something akin to "Ha! what is this mythical play group that has 5 players that can play for many hours at a time?!" They are targeting their product to their expected average customer, not the people that would be able and desiring to play multiple campaigns of this. They are gambling that the later population is either small enough that they will either not affect their bottom line, or fervently in love with the game enough to come up with their own reusability scheme that gets posted on BGG or buy additional copies. From what I've seen with other games, I would say their gamble is a wise one.
@Falkdr4 жыл бұрын
money is not of my concern, I appreciate durable, well crafted products. A board game is not a burger imho. But you're right, there are ways around the problem.
@RedGreekWolf4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see this guy and his friends play this game
@ShloobyPlaysGames4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great review! This game is right up my gaming group’s alley! I have to ask, wasn’t there supposed to be a new podcast put up yesterday?