Being born in Sweden, the homeland of the Volvo 740, the square box design of the Rancilio is very familiar 😇
@dlevi67 Жыл бұрын
Ah, but is it safe?
@Shadowguy456234 Жыл бұрын
@@dlevi67Test it with some espresso dummies and find out!
@paviaaPS3 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@sembartels652 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I actually really enjoy the aesthetic of the Silvia. The pro x seems like the perfect endgame for me. Only a few years to go untill they start to pop up 2nd hand ;)
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, and the aesthetics are just one small piece. It clearly pulls some great espresso, check out the full review I did of it if you haven’t seen it yet, goes a bit deeper than this one.
@3ede467 Жыл бұрын
I've got my Silvia for about a week now, installed the Pantechnicon accessories and dispersion plate, an IMS shower screen and a Cafelat silicone gasket and lowered the pressure to about 6.5 bars of static pressure and also upgraded to a Niche Zero grinder. This setup is the most beautiful I've ever had and I am so happy about the espresso that I can produce with it. The only things that bother me is that even the 3D printed drip tray from Pantechnicon needs to be emptied frequently and that the soft infusion is limited to 6 seconds only. But that is about it. It is probably the maximum that I can afford but I don't feel that I will miss anything in my espresso game for the next couple of years. It feels like a rock solid gaming PC that I can adjust and repair myself. And I love the design that reminds me of an 80s workshop utility. I am so in love with it. ❤😊 Btw. I've got mine in white, too.
@GuineaPigWWE Жыл бұрын
Which IMS basket did you get? Amazon shows like 3 different IMS double baskets ranging from 18 dollars to 36 dollars so I am confused,
@3ede467 Жыл бұрын
@@GuineaPigWWE I did not get any IMS basket at all and did not mention it. But maybe you meant the shower screen? There is a Rancilio tune up kit from verybarista on Amazon including a Cafelat silicone gasket and an E&B LAB (IMS) shower screen (SR200RNT). The baskets that I use are 18g and 20g VST baskets and a unibasket from Weber Workshops. Hope that helps!
@LogenProof11 ай бұрын
Why did you get the dispersion plate? Does it really make a difference?
@3ede46711 ай бұрын
@@LogenProof It is easier to clean.
@LogenProof11 ай бұрын
@@3ede467 does it make any difference in extraction? Seems like in this video he replaced that to level the playing field in someway.
@sjfarrell2.032 жыл бұрын
I like the design of the Pro X; clean and practical. But, I love the GS3; I'll just never be able to afford one 😂
@2deparrish Жыл бұрын
Steaming is important to many viewers. LM excels at this. Why didn't you include this comparison? Powerful, dry, quick steam? Same? Different? That was one of the biggest differences for me when I upgraded from E61 to LMLM.
@Joshgoodencinematography Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I've been looking to upgrade for a few years (learned on a Breville Barista Express) and I think past a $2,500 price point you are landing in aesthetic/luxury territory. "End game machine" is a term thrown around a lot, but I think people will eventually just settle for what is in their budget. LM has a rich history and heritage of great design and personally that is why I love it. I went to La Marzocco's Accademia in Florence last month and they told me that Linea Mini accounts for 50 percent of their sales. It saved them in the pandemic. I think the quality of their machines, the story of sticking it to Starbucks, the rich history of design, and their influence in the commercial world is a huge selling point. They built a brand for "luxury" home use that doesn't suck and looks great in many home settings. The Rancilio and honestly a lot of other brands just don't give me the same feeling. Beyond the specs, I think that people need to find a machine that speaks to them in and the level of manual input they want to have. For me, espresso feels like a ritual every morning and manual tools to make that process more enjoyable is key.
@user-jc1yx9of9p2 жыл бұрын
Good review. Only miss the steam comparison which is an standard part of a espresso machine.
@kfirmelamed3614 Жыл бұрын
Hi I'm trying to find the modification parts that you put on the silvia Pro X can you please put a link to the exact parts you got? thank you so much
@marywagner9927 Жыл бұрын
This is my first real espresso machine. And I got the Pro X. To me it seemed the best choice for quality, adjustments, and cost. Adding a grinder and it cost way more than I had originally intended to spend. There is no way I would ever pay $8000 for a machine (unless I was married to a multi millionaire!). My grinder finally arrrived today so I have only pulled a few shots so far. And they didn’t include the bottomless portafilter I had requested. In addition I mostly drink decaf, but today used some regular coffee, which was my undoing. I felt so sick after a few shots I had to quit. The last shot seemed like it was the best - balanced, not sour or bitter. So I think I am on the correct track. I hope I will like it. One thing I have noticed is I wish it had a steam lever instead of a knob. But I’ll live with that. Thanks for your informative video.
@dr.zoidberg4313 Жыл бұрын
Did you consider the Lelit Elizabeth as well? I'm drawn to the Pro X for it's looks and reputation, but the Elizabeth keeps tapping my shoulder.
@marywagner9927 Жыл бұрын
@@dr.zoidberg4313 I didn’t consider that one. The thing that sold me on the Rancilio is the extreme ease of working on it if there any problems. So many will invalidate your warranty if you touch the insides, but not the Pro X.
@macehead2 жыл бұрын
"...the sooner everyone understands and accepts that good esspresso comes in many different price points, the better" Spro out here making sense n'shit
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Haha, absolutely. And I’ll be the first to admit I haven’t always thought that way. It’s been quite a journey to get here, and just hope I can help make that trip a little shorter for others.
@igalk474 Жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus it will be great , if you tested steaming & cappuccino , with both , also back to back shot , couple in a row , this will be awesome , they are exactly the 2 machine i'm considering , but don't know what i'm getting for the extra cash , and if the pro x will be good enough , also will be interesting to see comparison with gs3mp using ims vs pantechnicon , and difference between pullman basket & vst basket , to know the best setup for silvia pro x
@duskyman1 Жыл бұрын
Yes... but it's a question of how easy it is to achieve it.... And how reproducible it is. If you had to temperature surf cheap machine... You become aware of how much more enjoyable it would be to have a larger heavier temperature stable professional machine!
@macehead Жыл бұрын
@@duskyman1 Maybe. I still think it's a matter of preference and expectation. Personally I have a Gaggia Classic Pro so I'm a temp surfer, but like literally anything, having done it day in and day out it is like second nature and I actually enjoy that "bit of skill" in the process. My morning routine is peaceful, enjoyable, and delicious. I have used friends much nicer machines and they are very nice to use but 1) the coffee I got wasn't superior 2) every machine has its quirks and I like that mine come at a low price point. No one is arguing that good esspresso is just as EASY at lower price points. Just that it is actually not neccessary to spend $3000 to get quality esspresso.
@alanroderick71532 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the edutainment / infotainment content. All things in life do not need to be confrontational. I chose my level of coffee spend (grinder and dual boiler) and have been happy for a year. Could I upgrade ? Yes, but for now I am happy and it is nice to watch your videos to learn about alternative methods to possibly pursue, or more "de luxe" options to move on to, even if I do not feel the need to upgrade the espresso machine yet. I always look forward to your Friday posting, and enjoy the Shorts as well. Thank you, take care
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Alan, I appreciate that. And I’m with you. At this point, when it comes to my current daily setup I’m very content, but when it comes to being a creator in this space I definitely find myself also being extremely curious about new stuff that comes out, but the “upgradeitis” as they say isn’t nearly as strong as it once was!
@FrankFiorentino9 ай бұрын
Great video. Any chance of doing a comparison between the Silvia X Pro and La Marzocco Micra? I am trying to decide between these two machines.
@KrishnenduKes2 жыл бұрын
That impatient look while patiently waiting is epic! Lol!
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Haha, not used to not being able to make my own coffee.
@KrishnenduKes2 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus 🤣🤣I hear you!
@zahirmulla67155 ай бұрын
This video made me pull the trigger on the Rancilio Silvia Pro X and a Eureka Oro Stark and definitely not disappointed. The coffees are one of the best I've had anywhere and I'm spoilt
@MerryChristmasUCvsmYjul22 жыл бұрын
This is a good time to start... Good sound... Thanks, I'll quit my job and enjoy the music and relax.... Thanks for the video.
@JonFairhurst2 жыл бұрын
Great video and great perspective. We should expect very good results from a $2,000 manual coffee machine. $8,000 gets into the luxury realm. For personal use, the Rancilio would be an excellent choice. One scenario where the La Marzocco clearly wins is the giant boilers. If you have family or guests over and they want a string of hyper venti sugar milk drinks, you can knock them out and get back to the party. That’s the main reason I went with the Mini. My Livia 90 (1.4L heat exchanger) had been much too weak at family gatherings with 12 oz drinks. For daily personal use, the Rancilio would be everything a normal espresso drinker would need. Mad scientists, otoh, should go for the Decent!
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, well said! And I think to add to that the fact that LM machines are all NSF certified (for commercial use) means you can also use them for pop ups or businesses which I see a lot of people doing these days.
@AD.H.2 жыл бұрын
@Jon Fairhurst You think the Pro X is not capable of making drinks back to back to a family of 10-15 people?
@JonFairhurst2 жыл бұрын
@@AD.H. My Livia 90 wasn’t, but it’s a heat exchanger. And it depends on the size of the drinks. If they like 20oz Venti drinks, it could be pushing it. Many pro baristas have claimed that the steam power of the Linea Mini rivals pro machines. I can steam milk for an 8oz drink in about 15s while pulling a shot. That’s a key reason why I skipped the Decent. In videos I saw, that would take about 50s - with hot steam, but low flow. The 3.5L boiler in the Mini sets it apart from most other home machines.
@Val_Smith Жыл бұрын
@@JonFairhurst strange, Decent claim the have more steam power and it is dryer.
@kaankucuk1612 Жыл бұрын
@@JonFairhurst Hello, can I ask (I am very new into coffee machines), to make expresso/latte/cappucino, which brand would be the best for home? Breville, Rancilo Pro x, ……? Thank you
@nickkom78662 жыл бұрын
+1 for a Bianca vs GS3 comparison, both of which allow flow profiling
@Jaroslav.2 жыл бұрын
The Silvia Pro/X would be my second choice if I didn’t go for the Linea. I’d buy a Silvia over any E61 machine out there. Neat comparison, nicely said 😊
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s a solid machine, and the Linea actually has a similar function with the auto pre-brew feature. I’m with you though, E61 style machines just aren’t for me.
@AngelInTheDesert2 жыл бұрын
I had the Sylvia M and it was honestly a pretty bad experience. I get that the Pro/X is a totally different beast, but now that I have a rotary pump HX Rocket machine with E61 group, it’s night & day.
@JeromeLafreniere Жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus Since you reviewed the Linea Micra recently and the Pro X not so long ago, do you agree that these two are pretty similar feature-wise? Do you feel the Micra is worth the premium over the Pro X? How so? Would love to see these two in a side-by-side comparison.
@JeromeLafreniere Жыл бұрын
@Jaroslav Do you mind sharing why you went for the Micra instead of the Pro X?
@sambelton43213 сағат бұрын
What about using the Silvia in a commercial situation?
@stevegee2182 жыл бұрын
Another test for comparison for work flow would be to see how long it takes to pull 3 double shots in a row and if you see a difference in taste or extraction. If it is a PID system, then how long for temp to recover between pulls? I would think that stability with a larger system might be seen. Another great review.
@cheekster7772 жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Of course! Thanks for watching, have a good weekend!
@cheekster7772 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus - You too my man. 👊🏻
@jfgad2 жыл бұрын
First machine i purchased was a rocket appartemento. Solid quality. But completely locked environment. I now have the ascaso steel duo pid. Love being able to play with pressure, water temperature and pre infusion. I think that for the price, the ascaso is hard to beat. It also has the volumetric dosing, but i’m not using it. I have the white one with wood. Portafilter is stainless steel. I don’t get why it’s not talked about more. Great vid. Thanks.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard mixed things about the Ascaso, and I had an opportunity to try one but I have strict review requirements that means manufacturers and distributors don’t get to preview and edit my content, and unfortunately in that conversation it fell through.
@jfgad2 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus i’ve been using it for about 9 months now. I usually pull 3 to 4 shots daily with it. Using it with ssp 65mm. Unimodale v1. I get really consistent shots and love the clarity i get. The pid temp is really off. I had to offset mine of 40f lol. Sad they don’t let creators freedom to review them. Ascaso is a huge company. Maybe they have something to hide, but with my unit, i have no idea what it could be. Lance has been waiting for a unit to review for many many months. Maybe that’s the reason why this video still hasn’t happened.
@michailevangelinakis54702 жыл бұрын
@Sprometheus I totally understand why you switched to a completion basket but why did you decide to replace the dispersion plate?
@askay2k2 жыл бұрын
Let's face it, the only reason why I didn't buy the GS3 is because my wife said no.
@Alvin-wm6my Жыл бұрын
Excellent price and performance comparison between the Rancilio Pro X and the La Marzocco GS3. I budgeted $2,000 +/- for a pro-consumer model that are listed below. From your perspective, in what order would you ranked them and why? 1. Rancilio Pro X 2. Ascaso Steel Duo 2022 model with improved steam flow 3. Profitec Pro 500 PID w/flow control 4. Bezzera Aria PID Espresso W/flow control 5. Other recommendations Thank you for your reply.
@Tamimzzz Жыл бұрын
Have you finally decided which one to go for?
@Alvin-wm6my Жыл бұрын
I overwhelmed myself with the Profitec 600. Too much of a machine with my lack of experience. I am planning to return it within my 30-day grace period.
@Tamimzzz Жыл бұрын
@Alvin This is exactly what i fear. I am a novice myself. And have been asking around for advice before pulling the trigger. Have you chosen any alternative?
@Alvin-wm6my Жыл бұрын
I returned the Profitec Pro 600. Oh! It was emotionally heartbreaking to let go of such an artwork of a machine. I believe I'll reconsider repurchasing the PP600 in the future unless something new is introduced in the market. For now, learn from my mistakes and improvements in dialing in good expresso with the Profitec GO single boiler arriving tomorrow.
@ystebadvonschlegel32952 жыл бұрын
At least for me looks are a big part of the machine experience - it’s a big item in my kitchen and sets a design statement. The Rancilio looks more appliance and the GS3 looks more style and for that reason alone at least for me it’s worth the extra money (although I’m likely buying the AV version since I can’t plumb mine in and the water wasting of the MP model is not ideal).
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I’m with you on that. The aesthetics is definitely part of it for me too, I want something that is a pleasure to look at every day, on top of the fact that I’m recording it all the time too. And yeah, the MP model definitely cranks through water, so far that’s the main downside o have with it.
@douglaswarden618 Жыл бұрын
However, you have to have the realestate for the GS3 and I for one do not. Now if I had the money to go for the GS3 I bet I would have a bigger kittchen too. This aside I love the clean and direct looks of the Silvia Pro X (mine in white) and have been having better espresso then I often got in local shops.
@ystebadvonschlegel3295 Жыл бұрын
@@douglaswarden618 I ended up with the Micra - WAF much higher. I still wish I had the GS3 but happy wife, happy life. Cheers
@jhomrich89 Жыл бұрын
GS3 is my choice because I like heft and well built machines with no nonsense and if I entertain with it which I often do on my quick mill this will perform better in making multiple drinks at once because of the boiler size. Also if I'm being quite honest I don't think that the average user has a need for such a machine but if you either entertain or cater you'll find that very helpful.
@Kats0723072 жыл бұрын
As a previous owner of a Rancilio Silvia v6 (my first ever espresso machine) - 3 years back in time, and the last 7-8 months owner of a Lelit Bianca v3, my comment is that Rancilio can make great espresso, but at the same time is a very uninspiring machine in long time. I got bored of its boxy appearance. On the other hand, I love the look of Lelit Bianca. And yes Sprometheus, your GS3 look and performs amazing. A machine that man cannot get bored of. A good question is, GS3 or Slayer
@AuRowe2 жыл бұрын
I agree about the look of the Rancilio being boring
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I’ve actually got a Bianca V3 coming soon, any tips? And yeah, I’m with you on the look, I think the Rancilio definitely holds itself back a bit trying to maintain that classical look, but some love it. For me the GS3 is a no Brainer, slayer makes a nice machine, but my experience with them has been they are little less reliable, and honestly just sort of feel like they ar me aesthetically focused, and not mechanically. For instance, and this may have changed, but last time I looked at one on the inside the power and computer boxes were mounted below the boilers, so any leak could be catastrophic.
@Kats0723072 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus tips on the Bianca. Well, a small issue with the Bianca, is that it cannot make a full 360 while pressure profiling. Therefore, pressure is adjusted from 0-7 bars approximately. Or handle can be moved to be adjusted between 2-9 bar. So, this is something a Bianca user who works with pressure profiling should be worried
@socomon692 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus finally! will be interesting to hear your experience with the Bianca. the V1 and I have been like peanut butter and jelly the last few years. i find it to be a pleasant and forgiving machine.
@Val_Smith2 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus don't burn your hand on e61 stopping the flow, while steaming milk simultaniasly)
@bluewrist9 ай бұрын
This video could be used to teach the “Law of Diminishing Returns”. In other words, is that extra $6000 really giving you enough returns to justify the difference…..?
@bjorncoffee45342 жыл бұрын
From where are these beautiful mugs on the marzocco
@ameliabuns40583 ай бұрын
What do you think is the best bang for your buck? I have a bambino but I find it very annoying and it lacks temp control
@christopherf12172 жыл бұрын
Great video and the basis of this comparison, calls to mind something I often think about when we all obsess over the idea of one machine being better than another. Aside from any machine specific feature sets, at its core, I believe what we’re talking about is water, a boiler and a pump. And if you take that into consideration, can one machine really be better or is it how you grind, the quality of your beans, and other non-machine variables that are the real factors in the quality of your shot? Love your channel. Thanks for the great content!
@s968222 жыл бұрын
Nice review. Why do you propose the LM shot has more clarity? Is there a scientific/engineering reason?
@rossgehlig1152 Жыл бұрын
Hey @Sprometheus is that the PantechniconDesign portafilter and steam knob in black walnut? I think those updates go a long way to aid the aesthetics of this capable machine.
@HuJaas2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that the noise levels weren't mentioned; I know the Silvia is loud and I assume the GS3 is much quieter. Some of the price difference goes toward a more peaceful experience perhaps.
@jose81216322 жыл бұрын
Interesting point. When I upgraded to my Rocket R58 (rotary pump) pulling a shot it's just more pleasant. It's just so smooth and quiet.
@LogenProof11 ай бұрын
Would you recommend the dispersion plate upgrade? Why change it for this test?
@steph84085 ай бұрын
Why has there been no response to this question?? I also want to know.
@Drumkevo25 күн бұрын
Sprometheus, what are your thoughts on the Pantechticon portafilter and knob? Thanks!
@simkool772 жыл бұрын
Good video, I like comparisons. If I had $8000 just sitting around I'd buy GS3 MP, and good to know Silvia pulls good shots. I get good enough shots with my Flair58, but I brew more pour overs than espressos. Question: why are you specifically promoting Little Giant when everytime I look it says CURRENTLY ON BREAK, BACK IN 2022. Here I am drinking other roasters coffee.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah I’ve been planning a comeback on Little Giant for a long time. I had bags and labels ready to go, when to test the blend I had planned again and tasted totally different and off. Decided I didn’t want to come back with that release, so looking into another coffee. Stay tuned, and I’ll be sure to let everyone know when it drops!
@zetaxman2 жыл бұрын
Top of the line for La Marzocco should be Leva X, don't you think?
@JoseGabelaCuesta2 жыл бұрын
Have you compare a shot with and without pre-infusion in the Silvia. I’m asking this because I was one of the unfortunate who bought the Silvia Pro and then few months later, Rancilio decided to upgrade it to the X. Is it really worth it?
@marc665210 ай бұрын
I like very much your videos. I subscribe.
@Sprometheus10 ай бұрын
Thank you my friend!
@ilyas1102982 жыл бұрын
Hey Sprometheus, love the videos very informative and entertaining, I'm a filmmaker and there's a slight issue with your videos, the interview style shots where you talk are a bit choppy, i reckon it's the shutter speed, try to set your shutter speed to 1/(double your frame rate) so if you are shooting 60fps 1/120, and set the correct exposure using the other parameters like camera settings and light intensity. i don't why you would increase your shutter speed or decrease it only reason i can think of is for green screen work other than that always keep you shutter speed fixed.
@jeffcozad4863 Жыл бұрын
I used a PID’ed Ranclio Sylvia for years before making the jump to a GS3. While the Sylvia isn’t the Rancilo featured here, it’s close. I much prefer the GS3. I generally pull way better shots on the GS3. And I can do it over and over.
@TC_Prof2 жыл бұрын
For others more expensive the better in their IG account full of bots 😂😂😂 - great video as always spro! 👍👍
@TruthBelt8 ай бұрын
I'm finding it might hard to justify even the Linea Micra price-wise.... I've got a Gaggiuino to play with settings on, but badly want a dual boiler... seems like the Silvia Pro X might be a winner and a heck of a lot easier to justify to the wife.
@CinkSVideo2 жыл бұрын
I want the machine I buy to be the last machine I buy. Quality is extremely important to achieve this.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
That’s a fact. And making sure all the parts are available and replaceable, which can be tough when we start talking about home units
@DuaineM Жыл бұрын
When I first watched this video I was in the market to buy my first real espresso machine. I felt I was nearing the point where I was ready to make a purchase but not quite. My objective was not to spend over $2000. So the $8K LM was not even a consideration for me. That said, I really appreciated your review. It placed a higher relative value to the Silvia Pro X. I appreciate that the relative “quality” of the LM is greater than the SPX. If you have no plan to purchase an $8K LM, the quality difference in this comparison didn’t mean anything to me. Now if there was a $1700 unit or a $ $2300 machine with matching features and metal is plumbing and wire conduits plus dual boilers, then there may be a viable competitor to the SPX. [x] DISCLAIMER: I believe this disclaimer is necessary because i purchased a similar SPX system being discussed in the video. I didn’t get a special discount or any kickbacks of money, goods or credits. The following is an account of what I purchased. My deal was a promotional offer available to all retail purchases from Pantechnicon for buying one of their Rancilio SPX before the end of October 2022, while their supplies lasted. Doing my own research, I didn’t find a competitor having an espresso machine that changed my mind on buying a SPX. Do before the of October 2022, I picked up a new SPX from Pantechnicon who had a SPX that included their Rancilio Silvia Pro X Bundle. The package included: * Bottomless portafilter with wooden handle * Upgraded steam knob with matching wooden knob grip * Customized and improved SPX drain tray that works great. * I added (at extra cost) Pantechnicon’s Stainless Steel Dispersion Plate plus a precision IMS brewing basket. I couldn’t pass up this deal. Pantechnicon provided all of this for the same price as most other places sold the basic SPX. It was a great deal!
@2deparrish Жыл бұрын
Other question would be grinder...perhaps GS3 is showing characteristics of your grinder better? Using more than one grinder would help to know.
@Val_Smith2 жыл бұрын
Really wanted to get Silvia Pro X but there were none in stock. For the price of GS3 whould consider Rocket R nine one or Dalla Corte Mina to have the ability to switch betwin manual and preset profiles. If price wise sky was the limit I would go for Kees van der Westen Spirit Idromatic. However I settled for VBM Domabar Super digital.
@jasoncasale3708 Жыл бұрын
adjustable pump pressures is a big deal for me. I know you can adjust the pressure on the GS3 rotary fairly easily not sure on the silvia. I would love to see the breville dual boiler compared to the GS3 if you can do that video that would be excellent.
@3ede467 Жыл бұрын
It is possible to adjust the maximum pressure on the OPV on the Rancilio with relative ease. But not on the fly. I've lowered mine to a static pressure of 6.5 bars and I am very happy with the results.
@jasoncasale3708 Жыл бұрын
@@3ede467 thank you so much
@MarcesAurelius Жыл бұрын
I see you made QUALITY not vague at all • precision of machined parts • quality of materials use • best technique to manufacture/form parts • robustness/longevity of wear items • use highest performance current of technology • aesthetics (even those things not readily visible)
@TheFunky572 жыл бұрын
Hi Sprometheus! Would you consider reviewing the Diletta Bello in the future? I'd love to hear what you think. Cheers!
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I happily would, Seattle Coffee Gear offered to send me a demo machine awhile back, but said I could review it - if I liked it, and said they are only doing paid reviews at its launch. Which to me puts the whole point of a review in jeopardy, so the conversation ended there.
@venunair06 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great video comparison. Rancilio Pro X all the way….
@ihavenospacebar2312 жыл бұрын
You saying "its more attractive artistic design" made me think of the video where you said you didn't like the looks of the GS3 Also the Leva single group is LM's most expensive home machine, but they aren't really out in the wild yet.
@zuuzuka2 жыл бұрын
If I want to get another machine, I might also check the power consumption. Wondering what the differences between flow control on gas and other e61 with flow control and also lever machine.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I would guess lever machines don’t use as much power purely because they utilize a different pump mechanism to build pressure than a fully powered pump. But even on a pump machine the peak draw is below 15 amps on the machines I’ve used, but it can pull close to that when it’s warming up.
@zuuzuka2 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus thanks for your reply that's really helpful! And the gas should be gs3...
@jmsaffroy2 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus And the larger the boilers, the longer the warm up time. And when warm up time gets too long, you want to keep the machine on all day. Boy, do we need free clean energy... Or a Decent. ;)
@mehrshadtaheri6116 Жыл бұрын
I think you should compare the device La Marzocco GS3 MP and lelit bianca These two devices are more similar, but the price difference is too much.
@Flores828 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know what balance or clarity tastes like. What exactly is the standard of balanced coffee or clarity. At the end you should say which one ok feel tasted better instead of adding these types of references when these are not a standard taste.
@michaelsingh843 Жыл бұрын
I must ask, vibration pump compared to this?
@Avatar711Wizard2 жыл бұрын
Shame you didn't buy the Decent.
@paviaaPS3 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the pro x is a ring brew group and La Marzocco is a saturated brew group, meaning it is saturated with water, hence the name
@jeffhoward1423 Жыл бұрын
Do you recommend the new dispersion plate for the Silvia Pro X? I have a Pantechnicon mod Silvia Pro, but I wasnt aware they made the alternate plate.
@mattwilliams74549 ай бұрын
The pro x is probably the best value in a dual boiler right now. But does anyone truly lust after it the way we all do for a gs3 or slayer?
@feb39762 жыл бұрын
Had the Pantechnicon dispersion plate wrongly installed on SPX (upside down)?
@KristofferEngstrom2 жыл бұрын
Still getting good shots with my dedica and specialita 😅 about 650 usd in total with a few mods like ateam wand and new portafilter.
@thesoccerbeast99 Жыл бұрын
What cups are you using in this? I love the no handle cups you have.
@frankypc2 жыл бұрын
I started with a Gaggia Classic and loved it. Then I found a crazy deal on a lightly used Quick Mill QM67 , after two years i added a flow profile kit. For whatever reason as I learned more about espresso I realized that i really dont need to upgrade my machine over what I have. I see myself getting a better grinder than I do another machine. Most of the time the upgradeitis is more about looks than brew quality
@itsaflyboything2 жыл бұрын
I think my primary issue is that the silvia was supposed to be "cheap" (aka like 800 usd/1000 can), but the pro/x is like 2000-2700 can depending on where you get it. the two were never meant to be compared in the first place, but the fact that they are now able to be confuses me. is it inflation at work, or (more likely) simple price creep as rancilio has seen how popular the silvias are. its now the second item named silvia that has a "tax" on it that I can't afford =S
@davidfuller5812 жыл бұрын
I mean, not for nothing - but the Silvia Pro has barely anything in common with the Silvia other than the name and the brew boiler. The Pro is PID controlled, has two pumps and two boilers, and is absolutely massive by comparison. It's just not the same class of machine.
@graester Жыл бұрын
I just purchased a new Silvia Pro X for $1377.00 from Caffe Italia & they're $1500 all over the net. So this this comparison is even more enjoyable for me!
@carsandcoffee86852 жыл бұрын
Linea mini is closer to 6k today.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I split the difference because I bought mine in 2017 and it was $4,200 I believe.
@carsandcoffee86852 жыл бұрын
Make total sense
@scalynelson42902 жыл бұрын
The LM Doesn’t seem justified but man it’s a sexy machine
@hunkbulos492 жыл бұрын
Why would you choose a home machine over a commercial one? (considering you are paying that kind of money)
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Even though the GS3 or even the Mini was designed with the home in mind, both are NSF certified (needed for commercial use in the US) meaning they meet all the commercial requirements. So essentially it’s a commercial machine that runs on a 110 plug versus having to put in a 220 in my kitchen, on top of the sheer amount of heat and noise commercial machines produce, and the time they take to heat up. Lots of benefits to these smaller prosumer machines.
@ystebadvonschlegel32952 жыл бұрын
Most home users don’t need a dual grouphead commercial machine and they don’t have the 220V power required nor do they want to waste the electricity that a large dual group machine uses all day long while it just sits there doing nothing
@darylfortney80812 жыл бұрын
Side by side of the gs3 vs slayer
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried! I talked to Slayer, they said they aren’t in a position to do loaners…I need y’all’s help to push them on that one.
@dreww7142 жыл бұрын
And how about vs Synesso? Mp line up would be great to see.
@zoys96 Жыл бұрын
Where did you buy the upgraded gadgets for silvia? I love the wood handles and the other stuff you menitoned?
@3ede467 Жыл бұрын
It is the Rancilio Accessories Bundle from Pantechnicon Design. They also offer a stainless steel dispersion plate. I've bought the whole set and I am very happy with it. The drip tray is an upgrade to the original one and the wooden parts look and feel so nice. But they are quite expensive depending on where you live. I had to pay about half the price on top on German taxes and customs. But it was worth it. 😂
@C8geyB2 жыл бұрын
A bit off topic…. But not really. For the best espresso, roast your own beans. Roasting my own beans made a huge difference for me. Kaldi wide roaster and Bezzera Duo DE machine still under the cost of the expensive machine.
@ericbaluya3612 жыл бұрын
If I have unlimited moolah or resource I would get the best of the best. The reality is I can only afford a Sage appliance and happy with my caffeine fix.
@Andreas-ll3qw2 жыл бұрын
I love my Pro X and get everything I need for a damn good home espresso. As the GS3 looks awesome, the price is just insane. There was a time where you got these machines for half the price. Half! Sorry GS3, I love you, but I’m out.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
It absolutely is a solid machine and gets you to the finish line if that’s great, consistent espresso. It just lacks the control that I’ve now grown pretty accustomed to. And yeah, the prices go up every year, when I bought my mini it was $4200 and now $6000
@juice33818 ай бұрын
It would seem to me that a $2600 CAD machine should be prefect. It took over a decade for Rancilio to include a gauge and a confusing and counter intuitive PID despite a huge following literally handing them basic wants to make the machine perfect. Instead, Rancilio half assed it in pure Italian fashion and still couldn't even improve the drip tray. You just need one Japanese or German company to make a flawless machine that kills the Rancilio market. I find it unsurprising that the Italians take the lazy route to perfection and yet still have the gaul to charge an astronomical price.
@FullThrottle27 ай бұрын
I have been using Rancillio for over a year and I can say that all these opinions about the drip tray are not true. The tray is deep, solidly made, and its gentle lifting does not cause water to spill out. Removing the water is quick and simple, and the negative opinions come from people who have not used this device. The device has other disadvantages, but it is at the top in its price range.
@weiszCoffee2 жыл бұрын
Personally I think La Marzocco are a bit over priced and over glorified. They have amazing machines no doubt but they lack many features and abilities that other machines, half the price have. Like reasonable display and a better flow control mechanism than the GS3.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I can see that perspective, but I’d argue that the glorification just didn’t come out of nothing. They’ve built a brand that is very special, globally recognizable, and sought after, if not lusted after. They’ve truly mastered the mix of machine quality, aesthetics, and historical appeal. And I think In the grand scheme people see the price tags on LM and think they’re paying for the name. Instead you’re paying for a hand built, hand tested, machine from a completely independent company. LM is an island compared to other manufacturers that have partnered up with or operate under a large umbrella company.
@brendansmith2 жыл бұрын
LM machines outlast everyone else in commercial cafes
@weiszCoffee2 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus Like I said, LM are amazing machines :) Loved the comparison and appreciate the honesty for giving one point win to each machine
@weiszCoffee2 жыл бұрын
@@brendansmith And in home use? I own the Rocket R NINE ONE. As I see it, it out performs the Strada with half the price
@shaimumalvee96702 жыл бұрын
Can you make a review of the Victoria Arduino Eagle One Prima?
@wakeawaken4302 жыл бұрын
Gs3 is a dream but costs too much, you can buy a 3 group commercial machine with that price As an owner of a Rancilio Epoca st1,I can tell you that Silvia build to last too Maybe it's not the most appealing machine, but 100% reliable
@paoloteves24622 жыл бұрын
Does an espresso machine really matter? What If I have a Niche Zero or any high-end/expensive grinder and I only have a $200(or lower) Espresso machine, can you really make a good and tasty shot with that kind of setup?
@AD.H.2 жыл бұрын
Can you please give me an example of a new espresso machine for $200? The most decent one I found was The Gaggia Classic Pro and it's not a reliable machine. Yes, I can make you an acceptable espresso shot but most likely the machine is not going to last as long as a Rancilio would.
@paoloteves24622 жыл бұрын
@@AD.H. I've been using this for 3 years now but I just learned the correct or standard way of brewing/extracting espresso. That's why I'm asking this question 😁
@paoloteves24622 жыл бұрын
@@AD.H. It's not on a Gaggia level. The brand is Baumann. I've been trying to paste the link here so you can see it but I don't think I can. Here's the product number: BM-CM5003BGS
@bluemystic75012 жыл бұрын
The espresso machine matters up to a certain feature set. Generally, the more money you spend, the more control you have. But as seen in this comparison, once you have PID and the ability to preinfuse, that's about all you need.
@Val_Smith2 жыл бұрын
@@AD.H. Just get used Rancilio Silvia.
@mikeyandcoffee2 жыл бұрын
GS3 for sure 😅
@SimonSverige Жыл бұрын
why would any home want 5 litres of water sitting in a tank to go stagnant? The Rancilio is a much better size with water being used much quicker and not stagnating and being boiled over and over again.
@Caffeine.And.Carvings Жыл бұрын
The Silvia with an all metal waterpath for a tad more money would be rad. Not a fan of the plastic routing in a machine that expensive
@gbf5972 Жыл бұрын
What plastic are you referring to? Silicone tubing?
@Caffeine.And.Carvings Жыл бұрын
@@gbf5972 yeah, I don't really trust Silicone, especially if it's in contact with the water im consuming for a long time
@Cenot4ph Жыл бұрын
Who is the fake Sprometheus?
@drazenbabich Жыл бұрын
Tgey lost me at $2000 for a slightly higher specc'ed Rancilio Sylvia lookalike.
@daniellanzotti2391 Жыл бұрын
I think knowing you spent a lot of money on a machine may help you "believe it taste better." Often times I will make much better tasting espresso drinking liquid on my peasant Gaggia compared to my cafes $30,000 Sanremo. Maybe I also "believe it tastes better" because I made it and know every little step that went to create such cup. Also the people at my cafe may not enjoy every cup or just want to get on with their shift and earn their $14 an hour they make so yea it's a funny thing for sure.
@coreycannon45112 жыл бұрын
First!
@coreycannon45112 жыл бұрын
Doh!
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Haha so close
@coreycannon45112 жыл бұрын
Saw the winner after I hit “send”. Oh well.
@cm2687 Жыл бұрын
What I'm hearing is save $6000 and buy and mahlkonig e80s gbw 🤣🤣
@AD.H.2 жыл бұрын
The Rancilio Pro X all the way and all day! Absolutely no need to spend $8k on a single group head machine. I'd spend $8k on a multiple group heads machine if I had a cafe. Since the primary use for the machine is personal (at home etc) then The Rancilio Pro X is an excellent choice unless you're a multimillionaire brat that loves to show off.
@Val_Smith2 жыл бұрын
How about pressure profiles? You can also get something like Bianca or Domabar super for a reasonable price.
@noinimod2 жыл бұрын
Rancilio is too ugly for the price. Hopefully their engineers give more thought to the aesthetics. Can't be that hard to make something nicer looking