Wait no slow down I'm interested in that all Gigas team. That sounds hilarious and I'm rooting for them whoever they are.

Oh I get "Core-A" now, it's literally just Korea read terribly

teams are great because then you can blame others for your own mistakes

Dropped my combo for this video. Totally worth it.

Thanks for getting me into fighting games.

How can you call such a quality video a sidenote?

I was the weakest player on my school’s (GA Tech) Melee crew when we made national finals. Not gonna lie, having supportive teammates helped me play some of the best Melee of my career, and having friends to share the loss in grands with made it hurt way less. This video is spot-on.

The Korea skater is a good example of putting pressure on the weakest link. Nothing good comes out of that. If you identified your team's weakest link help them improve pressuring them will just lead them to quitting or collapsing when it counts the most. It will also lead to internal issues and the team will end up clumping to subgroups rather being a single body.

I clicked this vid frame-1

are we gonna ignore the sadness yuyu probably felt at 6:55 ? left her hanging man ;-;

Funny enough, Overwatch has the problem of being too much of a team game. If one person is being sub-optimal in hero choice or performance, it cripples the whole team, which is super frustrating and creates a very salty competitive community. Often matches come down to which team falls apart first, which is not fun. The best team games allow not only teamwork (specially with random players), but the ability to still have an individual impact.

I think that, at least for me, the magic of teams would kinda go away if it was the only type of competition available in the FGC. Part of why i like watching teams so much is because its cool and interesting to see the team dynamic between 2 opposing teams of master-class players. Its almost like a vs game where you can bring to life your dream team. I think if it became the standard, that type of charm would be a little less dazzling. Its only because we see these players in a strictly 1 on 1 environment almost all the time that we can appreciate teams

I like playing in team tournaments more cause it feels like hanging out with your buddies but with maximized hype. And I like watching Singles cause that's like, the whole fantasy of Fighting games, right? Some badass arriving on the scene, bodying everyone and going home with that trophy.

I was wondering if this side of Core A was dead. I could listen to this guy talk about the facets of fighting games all day...

2:00 didn't know Fio from Metal Slug played Tekken

"People enjoyed intergroup competition more than the other three types." *MOBA PTSD intensifies*

I think singles offers some dynamics that can't be had in teams, so I would be mad if they banned it, but I would still probably watch it, just not as much really.

I would drop the FGC hobby instantly if the FGC becomes a purely group format. Games like moba games or FPS games are team based affairs that that hugely dominate the esports scene. I need the FGC to satisfy my single player competition itch.

I don't know about other games, but in Smash we call this format "crew battles" and I honestly find it super fun. Head-to-head competition is hype, but there's something special about being able to celebrate a win or mourn a loss with a group of friends that you definitely don't get with a normal match. I don't know if I'd want to replace normal matches with this format as a viewer - a normal bracket still holds a lot of excitement for me - but as a player it's super fun.

I would hate, but still watch, if every tournament turned into purely 3v3 or 5v5s. If that became the sole format of competition money would become too big of a factor. The biggest sponsors would buy the biggest players, and of the winning team maybe only 3 or 4 of the players would even get to play. It also means that the BEST players wouldn't get to play against the BEST, as they would be stacked together. On a side note, I really love watching team tournaments the way it is now. Although I didn't know anyone from the all-Gigas team I was rooting my ass out for them. So much character and identity can be built around friends getting together to play for the win. Awesome video as always, probably one of my personal favorites. You are like a modern story-teller or a scribe to the FGC. Well spoken, well informed and sharp as a knife. Incredible work.

I get so pissed with this topic. Being part of a team is sooo much more than "blaming others for your loses". Playing with a team you're REALLY comfortable with gives out an amazing feeling you can't even compare both competitions. Plus, to be able to make your team more than the sum of its members, by teamworking and sharing things is just beautiful.

I think you are well on your way to becoming an e-sports psychologist all on your own

if the FGC dropped 1v1s in favor of team matches, I would move on to a new genre. The biggest appeal for me coming from team-based games was being able to improve consistently and hold myself accountable for the outcomes. It's an interesting video, but personally I don't find team sports entertaining at all.

I like individual players, not the team they are a part of.

Teams are a great supplement to singles, but singles will always be the main draw of fighting games. That's the thing that separates fighting games from other esports: the 1v1 nature.

team MMA looking like a bar fight seems like the point, and that sounds amazing to watch too

I love both forms of play; in all honesty. There's just something really cool about watching matches between 1v1, and watching squads going up against other squads in team formats. I don't think I'd like one going away; in favor of the other, though.

Glad you're working so closely with UYU for some of these recent videos; they have such a cool, fun player roster.

Another fantastic video, always love how well organized and clear the points you make are. This is my favorite channel on youtube, always looking forward to new videos, great job Gerald!

6:53 are we just gonna ignore the girl that was expecting a high five there and just kinda awkwardly backed off

1:32 Simple solution to this: automatically rotate team members each round, even if they won their match. For example, in the team setup you showed, after the first round of Ryu vs Ibuki, he would be rotated out for Ken, who would play the second round against Sean, then Chun-Li against Remy. Then loop back to the start until one team is empty. That way, Chun-Li doesn’t get left out because her teammates did all the work.

Man, I just discovered the 5 on 5 SFA3 and it is THE BOMB! I really love it, and the stream is SO HYPE

The only thing that concerns me in terms of shifting to only playing with teams, is you will have people travelling alone to some events, and they won't be able to enter because they have no one to team up with. Not saying I'm against the team format, but I'm against eliminating the singles format

I closed my smash ultimate countdown to open this video

I don’t think we should replace individual with team based FGC tournaments but it’d be nice to have some more of the latter, they’re really fun to watch

That study on competition you linked had some pretty surprising results. I hate team games. Every time I lose (or win!) in Overwatch, I have *zero* clue whether it was because I played poorly and basically turned the game into a 5v6 (or really well), or it was my team that threw (or carried). It took me like 70 hours of play before I was capable of really figuring out when I made (some) mistakes, when I did the right plays, whether I was playing my hero (somewhat) correctly in a game or not. I know in terms of a competitive multiplayer game with a dedicated base playing over years, 70 hours doesn’t seem like a lot. But imagine there was a singleplayer game that had a tutorial section that lasted 70 hours, and every time you failed in that tutorial section you couldn’t even tell if it was your fault or some outside factors. At least in fighting games, even when I have no clue what mistakes I’m making when I’m getting my ass handed to me, I know for a fact it is no ones fault but my own.

I wouldn't mind if team FGC events got bigger. The thing I like most about fighters is the 1v1 style of it, and I don't think a sequence of 1v1 matches take away from it. While having a team can increase pressure on one person and lead to infighting like you said in the video, I think it would be more fun for competitors and audiences; especially with team games monopolising Esports at the moment, it would probably also lead to an increase in viewership which is great! On the other hand, it would make gauging skill levels of players much harder, but then again- thats what grudge and money matches are for.

UYU, more like UwU

Representing Neo Turf Masters: The Gentleman’s Game. Instant like. Good shit, Gerald!

Quality, quality fucking videos. Watching your analysis videos as a fighting game player brings so much joy.

Haven't even watched, but its Core so I liked

6:57 uyu got denied that high-5 lol

One really interesting form of team play I’ve seen in racing games is the relay format, where each team member gets their own unique car but only one member of each team can drive at once. When a driver from your team finishes a lap, they are taken out of the race and the next driver in the team has to complete a lap. The first team to have all their drivers finish a lap wins. Typically you will see each team given a combined budget of horsepower or some other performance metric they have to split across all their cars, which introduces an interesting layer of strategy; do you want a balanced roster of cars, a powerful first car to get an early lead, or a powerful final car to make time up at the end? This system makes it a little less like one member is keeping the entire team in the match. I don’t know if you could apply this system to fighting games, I just thought it was really interesting and unique.

I am in awe of your editing skills. Had to rewind multiple times to see it again.

Pure competition is far superior than team games. After i got into fighting games, I never looked back at games like LoL, CS:GO, or Overwatch which I used to play all the time. In fighting games, I have more variables under my control, and whether or not I win is completely dependent on me.

6:54 RIP left YUYU hanging lmao

I love teams in fighting games. One of my favorite team tournaments has to be Cooperation Cup in Japan.

Read the title as tennis before clicking. Thought it was uncharacteristic, but worth a watch. Upon starting the video, re read the title, and suddenly everything made a lot more sense

+ Core-A Gaming could you talk about retro fighting games mechanics such as Project Justice and evil zone? Thanks

Smash Ultimate have Squad Strike will hopefully bring back Crew Battles cause that'd be REALLY hype and I'm in full support of it

The beauty of fighting games is in the 1v1. That's what really got me. And if you find a player on your level just going at it, it can go on for hours.

Can I just say how much I loved that Freeman joke?

i have never clicked a video this fast

I won't say this often, but I think Smash does this the best. They don't just play team competitions by games, but by stock. That way each team member can contribute either a little or a lot, but will almost never sweep the whole team. This also means that a team that is only slightly worse in general than the other won't get straight bodied by losing the final rounds.

Thanks for bringing up this topic Gerald. Some of the most hyped I’ve been was watching the Canada Cup 5v5 tournaments in both USFIV and SFV. With that said, I doubt the 1v1 would be able to leave bc it also provides hype and it can definitively show who the best is. P.S. I FADC’d into video click

man, these team battles are so much fun, my most memorable one i joined was Let's Go Baltimore Crew Battles. I thought i was gonna suck, but the team i was put in gave me so much encouragement and i loved it, felt way more positive and did better in said tournament

I'm waiting for RIP's all law team with him, just frame james or double, & gosain

My Gawd! Yuyu's team is way too OP excluding RIP!

My absolute favorite youtuber to exist. So happy any time I see a new video.

this is one of the best videos i've seen on youtube. you're killing it

Core-A notification, CLICK ON!

Kkokkoma x Tasty Steve is my favorite ship

Hell yeah! New Core-A video! Always a pleasant surprise.

I've got an idea, it's called Double Dragon: Starts with 5x 1v1 random matchups which creates a Winners & Losers Bracket. Brackets then follow current tournament rules, but with two battles going at the same time. Winner of Loser's bracket has a disadvantage, needing to win twice in a row, but gets to challenge the Winner of the Winner's bracket for the title. This could even lead to infighting, where a team member that has won the Loser's Bracket can then use the opportunity to expand their individual fandom by upsetting the champion to come out as 1st instead of 3rd; and where that greed could lead to a 2nd place finish as the loser of the Winner's bracket gets a second chance, a final 1v1 to decide 1st & 2nd place. This would lead to a near guaranteed Final Challenge in the event the opposing team won the Winner's Bracket; while providing ample potential punishment should they actually succeed... as you would need to win 3 battles in a row, after winning the Loser's Bracket, to move your team from a 1st 3rd finish to a 1st 2nd finish in your favor. I think the potential 2nd chance at 1st place or the ability to "hold position" at 2nd would allow for the Loser of the Winner's bracket to "challenge the underdog" or "live to fight another day" based on their own journey as well.

I've been shouting to the high-heavens for the past 8-9 years that Fighting Games will forever remain a niche genre, particularly in the esports space, until someone develops a team-based, multiplayer fighting game from the ground up and MARKETS the game as a team-based fighting game. Something simultaneous would be preferable but not necessary. The fact that it seems like the old-guard FG developers haven't even ATTEMPTED something of this nature up until this point boggles my mind. I know there have been Team Modes in FGS forever, but they're treated like bullet points on a box, instead of being played up as a compelling feature, so they're often treated as such, by the competitive community and casual community alike. Fighting Games as a genre should be WAY bigger than they currently are. They're niche-ness is completely nonsensical and a result of an aging community of old-guard publishers and developers refusing to take innovative risks and not being paying attention to what's currently happening in the market.

When you criticize your teammates but then you get bullied by twitter and they take away your sponsor feelsbadman.

Hey, I just found your channel and BOY! am I in love with it! I'm not even a huge lover of fighting games, but your dedication to make such an amazing content is definitely making me come back for much more! Keep it up! :D

When Core-A Gaming makes a new video, you stop what you're doing and watch it.

What is this? A vsauce video and a core A video in the same hour?

The Team format should have the rule: "Once a player wins a match, they can no longer play anymore." so it forces everyone on the team to be able to score at least 1 win for victory, and prevents a team hiding behind a monster of a player who can single handily carry people who don't deserve to be on the team

This content is too good for KZfaq, jesus Gerald. Blowing us away with every notification our phones receive.

Core-A Gaming: Setting the new standard for quality content creation!

No, having to worry about teammates is the reason I stopped playing team games and moved on to fighting games. Teammates are just another luck factor that you can't control for yourself. Sometimes they help you, sometimes they drag you down. It's random. I only want my skill to matter, nothing else.

Smash Ultimate comes out in 2 days...

6:55 You left poor YUYU hanging :)) Quality video as always, thank you:D

at first i was disappointed cause it tought it would be a video about MvC team systeem, but then i remembered thats its Gerald and that he cant disappoint me with these fine ass vids

Gerald... You are consistent with making every new video "the best video in the channel"!!

u r undoubtedly one the best KZfaqrs in the world. the channel is about Fighting Games, so the views are & will always be less. but if we just talk about the quality of the content, u r far far ahead than others.

After last week, Rip needed this kinda love.

the topic of teams is one i hold in high regard cause competing with friends is just an all around more enjoyable experience for everyone, and it usually gives everyone a time to shine

Great production as always Gerald, very nice to watch I'd hate if tournaments dropped 1 on 1 competition tbh, the rivalries between 2 players instead of between 2 teams are more special, more personal.

Team matches are fun to watch when both the teams are enjoying and pulling eachothers leg

Great vid as always! Interesting note: When I played on TESPA’s Hearthstone tourney for my school, the requirement was that every deck/player had to win, requiring every member to participate. It’d be cool to see this implemented somewhat (On a big scale)

WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED TODAY WITH A NEW CORE A VIDEO!

Can't block an incoming Core A gaming video. You always showcase such amazing and motivational moments. Thanks.

The Dr Freeman animations were hilarious, thank-you for being good at your job. May whatever supernatural force(s) you do or do not believe in grant you many children.

Wow, every video you put out is pure gold. Thank you.

I've won a local by myself and I've lost a local with a team and honestly having teammates was so much more fun. just being able to share that experience and cheer each other on was awesome

To answer the ending question, that would be a terrible idea. There are rarely times when removing options is a better thing for a community. The team dynamic is good for team players, but not everybody is a team player. This much was even illustrated in the video itself with the whole deal with the skaters. Imagine people who are like that in nature, but knowingly avoid teaming up because of this now forced into that kind of space due to a lack of options. They not only have to experience that feeling, but also become outed for this behavior, even if they've thus far done a good job co-existing in spite of this issue. Or what about the other side of the spectrum? Those with incredible anxiety about holding others back. Being in a team can enable those with impostor syndrome to a dangerous degree, because their failures and perceived incompetence are no longer theirs alone to bare in their mind. I know it, because I live it. I may not be a big-time esports heavyweight fighting for cash prizes, but I do like me some Leauge of Legends. At least, in theory. I actually get very anxious about playing it and this predisposition hampers my ability to enjoy my time with it. The issue being that I hate being the weakest link. This is doubly so, because I quite literally am the weak link of my group, both in experience and in skill. Because of this, I dread failure more than if I was just playing Granblue Versus, because when I fuck up and lose lane, everyone's game becomes harder and the feeding enemies got makes it harder to rebound. Then, even if I perform adequately and even if the victory was a crushing one, I still maintain it, because it's easier to say that everyone else did better. Another lane pushed harder, the support and jungler did their part better, no matter the excuse, as long as I was the one being carried. Because of this, I couldn't bare to enter a team tournament. I would be a stick in the mud putting team spirit down and it would be hell on my mental health. I couldn't imagine ever wanting to go to any fighting game events if being in a team was a mandate.

oh yes. core a gaming time. You're one of my favorite gaming channels.

Literally stopped everything I was doing for this. Nice to see you making video essays again

Legitimately one of the best fighting game channels ever.

so glad you made a new video! been waiting!

I remember Tekken tag Tournament. Those 2v2 teams was always the hypest games even when just played with friends

Another dope-ass episode! I'd love it if Pro Tour was like that.

Just want to say the quality of content on this channel is awesome. I don't want to name drop but I was watching another channel with similar content and topics but the quality just was not up to the same standards Core-A is at. So thank you for the awesome FGC content and analysis!

I was playing a local, but when I saw this vid was uploaded, I ran home to watch it. Damn, I love this channel!

Thanks for being you Gerald

Another great analysis. Awesome job, Gerald!

I'd say the ideal format for a fighting game would be 3v3, and instead going by elimination, you just make a "mini-tournament" for each match: 1 - each player of a team is a randomly assigned a number from 1 to 3 and the team gets to decide who plays first, with the other two following their order (example, Team A decided player 2 will go first, so the next one is player 3 and then player 1). 2 - each player will face against one player of the other team, accordingly to the result above. This would be a "turn". They play one match and the winning side gets 1 point, losses or draws get no point (wit ha total of 3 points max). The team with more points wins the turn (basically, each turn is a best of 3). 3 - the game is decided on a best of 5 turns, on a draw they keep playing one extra turn until either side claims victory. That way no one gets to be carried away, at least not without playing, the amount of matches is mostly the same as a regular tournament, and you still get all the benefits of having a team.