You see, it's called Smash 4 because it was intended to last 4 years (definitely lmao)

steve is a polygonal freak of nature. it's pretty obvious that even without the glitches you mentioned, he's basically unstoppable.

To quote another KZfaq comment: "Banning wobbling is my favorite analogy, because it was a single instance of something breaking the risk reward structure too much. Steve is running up against accusations of being a whole character of near wobbling, putting its hands in the face of these accusations, and going 'im not touching you im not touching you'"

5:07 imagine quitting a game just because your broken, almost guarenteed zero to death move isnt allowed anymore.

I just love the fact that the smash community had a meltdown over funny block man before he was absolutely broken

When it comes to hero I personally I think the randomness was a problem sure it’s random but we allow game and watch and Luigi so obviously we don’t ban everything random on that basis The real issue was the command menu (and though done could probably use some adjustments that’s not necessary an issue) The language barrier inherent to that menu is a serious issue I’m surprised it was never addressed just add some Unmistakable icons and it would have been fine

I find it very iconic that the top of the top quit the game/character because ONE free-stock technique is banned. It almost makes them seem like they were no where near as good since they're being carried by an exploit

As an ultimate Gre main "BetterNerfGreninja" hurts me to my core

Also that match of the two Bayos stalling, that crowd deserved it considering they disrespected the players on set

meta knight was never actually banned, even tho people say he was. the reason why he was never banned was cuz tristate was the most powerful region in brawl, and all the meta knights lived there, so they said that if tournaments banned him, they wouldnt show up. it was the same in japan; they wouldnt fly over here if meta knight was banned, so we essentially had no choice but to let him free.

I heard hero was also banned because not everyone would speak the same language in some tourneys, making down B not readable for some.

The fact that hero never got banned is genuinely dumbfounding to me. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE hero, but he has no place in a competitive format.

It's a good thing i dislike the competitive scene entirely due to bullying I've suffered.

Greninja? My main? Ooo, I’m really interested now! ^.^ Edit: Wow… that… really hurt to watch……. I knew that Greninja was continuously nerfed, and was aware of the meme “better nerf Greninja”, but that was very sad to see… I only played a few hours online in Smash 4, and was TRAAAAASH. Not that I’m not in Ultimate, but still lol……. I don’t know if I would say Greninja is Top Tier, but definitely a High Tier!

Actually melee has a lot of banned tech (usually stalling related so fair) but there’s actually an even more broken set up for ice climbers that was never legal It’s preformed by having nana grab an opponent and either pun king, forward throwing or uo thrusting the opponent and then having popo preform squal hammer during the pre release hit Doing this permanently freezes your opponent so you can rack up basically infinite damage as they are completely locked into that position There are exactly 2 ways to cancel the freeze grabbing (something that actually makes sense) and getting hit by the screw attack item (fir some reason) Now this is because of some hitlag mungo jumbo where the squal hammer interrupts the grabs hitlag that’s supposed to cancel the animation and as such puts them in perpetual hitlag and consequently completely unable to move This was patched by the PAL release but no one plays PAL for a number of reasons

Greninja was never an OP/broken character in Smash 4, not even close. As someone who has played and heavily researched early Smash 4 3DS, I can very confidently say that Greninja’s hype back then was simply early meta syndrome (similar to how some people thought K Rool was OP in early Ultimate but he really wasn’t. Greninja was a mid tier in the later stages in Smash 4 and in vanilla, I’d say he was high tier at the most. Greninja’s Up Smash was really good back then and the main highlight vanilla Greninja had over later versions of Smash 4. Definitely one of the best up smashes in the game back then. However, it wasn’t perfect. The move was mainly strong when the opponent was above you (being a nasty anti-air) but it wasn’t quite as strong if the opponent was in front. It had good range and decent power but it did come out fairly slowly, so it wasn’t particularly hard to shield. It was hard to punish due to the move’s low ending lag but it could still potentially be punished depending on how Greninja used it, especially with a powershield. Even if you couldn’t punish the move, you still had a decent frame advantage against Greninja which you could utilise. Additionally, early 3DS had a different DI system and you could utilise it to reduce the combo and KO potential of Greninja’s up smash, which could otherwise be really nasty. The nerfs to up smash were significant but not quite tippy top tier to mid tier significant. It was still a really good anti-air, it just lost its combo potential and became easier to punish. Greninja’s landing lag cancel with Shadow Sneak wasn’t actually very good. It could be used as a landing mixup at best. The main limitation which the landing lag cancel had is that it had a whole 16 frames of startup where Greninja was completely vulnerable. This meant that it was easily punishable and it didn’t even reduce the landing lag of a majority of Greninja’s aerials. The opponent had consistent punishes for Greninja’s aerials whether he performed the cancel or not. It also had almost no combo potential as Shadow Sneak was so slow and the Shadow Sneak itself was extremely risky. Even when used as a landing lag cancel, Shadow Sneak came out extremely slowly and it had extremely high ending lag (even higher than in later versions of Smash 4). The move was a death sentence on shield and if the opponent predicted you were going for the landing lag cancel, they could very easily shield the Shadow Sneak and get a monumental punish (a much bigger punish compared to if they didn’t shield at all). The Shadow Sneak also didn’t hit as hard as later versions as a sidenote. It wasn’t useless as you could use it as a landing mixup but it was purely a landing mixup, and an extremely risky one at that. It is a shame that Greninja lost it but losing it wasn’t s game changer or anything. And those are the main things I wanted to mention. Greninja did get some other notable nerfs such as to fair and uair but nothing that was too significant. Greninja also ended up getting some pretty significant buffs later on, such as his grab and Shuriken becoming much faster, noticeably improving his punish game and his camping potential. Greninja wasn’t a bad character in early 3DS but he wasn’t a super top tier either, and his changes weren’t as harmful as often perceived. I understand why he was hyped up in early Smash 4 but I can guarantee you that if Smash 4 didn’t get balance patches, he still would have fallen off as the meta progressed. Early Smash 4 3DS had much nastier characters than Greninja. Sheik and Rosalina in particular were absolutely insane in early 3DS and they got some pretty significant nerfs in later versions (while still remaining top tier after all of their nerfs). Those two characters in the original 3DS form were probably the strongest characters Smash 4 saw outside of DLC. Sorry this comment was so long, I just have so much to say about this topic (I even made a whole video on the topic).

I still think Magolor should've been added into Ultimate

Gotta add smash 4 miis to that list the first smash characters to be widely banned. And were heavily restricted in brackets they were allowed in (1111 medium mii only).

Great video overall, although I do have a few corrections to make, especially regarding Cloud in doubles: Double Cloud was actually nowhere near the best team composition with the character, since both of them still had the exploitable weakness of their recovery. People generally agreed that Cloud was much better when paired with characters who had decent recoveries, cause were less likely to get gimped at low percents and could more easily save Cloud when he was recovering offstage (Pikachu, Sheik, Bayo, etc). In fact, if you look at the best doubles teams in Smash 4 (Mkleo/Javi, ZeRo/Nairo, Esam/MVD, Komorikiri/Ranai, etc) all of them used Cloud + another character instead of double Cloud - the only ones that did use double Cloud were Leo/Komo on the few occasions they teamed and Leo/Javi, but even then Javi used Sheik as much as, if not more than Cloud. It was for these reasons that GOML actually received a lot of criticism for only banning double Cloud - not because the ban went too far, but because people felt that it didn't go far enough to address the issue. The problem wasn't double Cloud - it was straight up just Cloud, period. Also, the Greninja tech you showed on screen at 9:19 was actually an unrelated tech called the shadow sneak slide, which never got patched out of the game. I imagine you probably showed it instead just cause there isn't much footage of the you were talking about, so I won't really particularly fault you for that. Just thought it was worth pointing out Again, not trying to be overly negative or anything, cause this is still a really well done video. Just wanted to correct a few of the mistakes I noticed

Yknow every time I see talks about banning Steve over phantom mlg I notice a distinct lack of the bug outside of training mode

10:53 Obligatory "Cloud is in the Kingdom Hearts series including the second game _Chain of Memories_ exclusively for the Nintendo Gameboy Advance and the sixth game _Re:Coded_ exclusively for the Nintendo DS." comment.

From melee to ultimate: most broken characters Melee: shiek Brawl: Meta knight WiiU/3DS: Bayonetta Ultimate: Steve (Based on tournament wins and combos)

Steve doesn't feel like he's nearly as bad of an issue as smash 4 bayo or brawl meta night. He's annoying, he's slippery, and he has some game breaking glitch but then just give him the ice climber treatment and ban that one tech.

Why are my mains in the thumbnail

2:18 I didn't know the Phantom MLG Steve and I wouldn't be disqualified because I only use some block plus fake attacks to annoy the opponent.

I can totally knew how the Ice Climbers were broken because they couldn’t make it to Smash 4 due to the 3DS not allowing to controllers to fighters in 1 player. The Wii U was doing fine but the 3DS couldn’t handle it due to being a limited to software like only allowing 4 Fighters on screen and it could not do 8 fighters on screen with 2 characters being 1 Player each. It was just too much for Nintendo they were going to add it to Wii U and 3DS as DLC but ended up being cancelled because the 3DS couldn’t handle 2 same size characters with the exact same moves for 4 Players which makes it 8 in total.

Wasn’t the real reason for the hero ban because of the language barrier of needing to read?

It's funny that a game that wasn't supposed to have competitive plays like this just becomes this

Thanks for having dio in your video for about 1 second

Steve can literally carry a whole shulker-filled inventory of 64 stacked blue ice(which is 81 buckets of water, which a bucket of water is basically almost infinite, so 64x27x81) with netherite armor equipped. and with his midair block placing ability steve would be just super op and mid air minecarts bruh those are so annoying

Steve is so op steve can ladder combo you to kingdom come

fox is played in melee more than bayo in 4 straight up

did not expect to see a clip of me in this video LOL 2:20

HE ACTUALLY POSTED

Basically Game turns into craft universe that trumps regular smash play minecraft sales going up from smash lol.

I remember the "ban Sonic" movement back in 2020... ah, good times

Bruh my Three Main Fighters are on the Video Thumbnail.

of course steve is broken, he can literally carry TONS of STATUES of LIBBERTIES

I am extremely offended to learn that Greninja was almost banned, as it is my favorite Pokémon.

3:02 aint no way he just showed a "current" tier list with jiggly puff above fox

Part of the Hero ban consideration was the potential language barrier for anyone competing in a foreign tournament. Just thought I should mention since you didn't! It wasn't entirely just the random nature of menu!

>Can't think of ways to play around chatacters WE NEED TO BAN THEM!

Its fun to think that the most op character in smash ultimate is MINECRAFT Steve

dude why is he using mark robers theme (kinda random)

remember when people were calling for Hero bans

"Wobbling is banned in france." Me in belgium:

3:59 What Is this song it is so dramatic and 🔥

wait what the actual fuck. WHY IS PUFF ABOVE FOX ON THAT MELEE TIER LIST!!

I had no clue that Steve was broken

3:50 I'm such a goddamn nerd that I recognized that this is the broom from Fallout 4

@Siiroth What is the name of the Kirby Theme that plays at the beginning of the video?

Luigi in ultimate: let me introduce myself

Just charge people a fee to Play that Character in the Tournament... depending on the size of the venue and tournament, the fee can scale depending on if it's a E3 Calibre event imagine having to pay a few hundreds to play a character

Why it zoom in like that XD 8:34

This was posted on my birthday😊

quitting a player because you can't use a busted strat that basically is a free stock is so wild to me

Can we be real in the fact that if people were to host a casual tournament that is just full of casual players they’d have to ban sora and meta knight. We love and hate spam and they have gotta be the most annoying spammers ever.

Im sorry, GREJINJA, THE FISHSTICK HIMSELF, GOT BANNED!?!?

Also it was way easier to tell if wobbling was happening than if Steve does the phantom dodge. Plus the Steve players could simply press it on accident and get banned for it. Would be great if it could be patched out, or even a fan mod would be nice. However I don’t think Nintendo will bother with a patch and they definitely won’t allow a mod in official tournaments in their current smash game.

Imagine quitting the game because the wobbling technique was banned, not even a 3 year old is that pathetic.

Is it possible to ban a character in super smash on your own account?

I feel like bigger issue with hero is some people cant read the language if they are coming from overseas

I honestly hope they fix steve in the next smash game for him to be unbanned

1:08 Henry stickmin!😂

life peaked at the better nerf greninja miiverse era

Bayo is either one of the best high tiers or one of the worst top tiers, similar to Terry imo. Her weaknesses technically exist but she has so many unique options that they don’t matter. Her landing lag is often a non issue since she can use her specials to retreat to ledge or witch time to cancel all lag and kill YOU for trying to punish her. Her kill power as you said is actually not bad, and even if she’s not killing you until 180%, she got most of that damage off of two combos. She’s tall and light but has one of the best disadvantage states in the game, so abusing that is not easy.

I had no idea that Greninja was the final evolution of a starter Pokemon 😮

I love Bayonetta so much, played all her games, I find it funny that people in smash hate her for being broken but she literally was a perfect representation of the series that she came from, people always complain about Zelda series not having enough representation despite having a lot of characters in smash but Bayonetta quite literally represents her game PERFECTLY and even she wasn't the smash ballot winner, she was most likely runner up considering Sakurai said she was the most voted in Europe and among the top 5 globally, so even though she didn't win, she was probably 2nd, 3rd, or 4th in the ballot

They better nerf pyra and mythra, besides the only reason why they are good is cuz they’re the same character

Bro didnt even talk about smash 4 mii brawler

Love how people got mad other characters where being used all the time when fox is still the most used character

As a steve main, it's a real shame to see that he's banned from tournaments

am i the only one that hears the music mark rober uses

not covering steve is wild

His editor got better

I’ve never noticed any of those things when i was playing it

Greninja, Shiek & Hero Weren't Broken Characters. In My Opinion, Broken Characters Are: Steve Meta Knight Ice Climbers Diddy Kong Cloud Bayonetta Fox Kazuya

Imagine in tournament....all map are allowed iand you can discard 3 to 6 map trought the match and cant use same map trought next player

Steve officially best ultimate character?

Hero is not broken. His abilities are balanced by his slower frame data, and his fall speed is very slow. If you get him in the air he’s screwed. The randomness adds a chaotic factor which forces people to adapt on the fly. Smash autists don’t like him because it prevents them from being able to rely on autistically memorizing all the characters move sets so they can automatically counter each attack through muscle memory. They want everything to be clean and predictable so that the fight simply boils down to who has the fastest reaction time rather than actual strategy.

imagine quitting a game because you can’t exploit it for wins you couldn’t legitimately get 💀💀

bandana dee or ninten, they could have won. but noooooo! some coomers wanted bayonetta!

Man Everybody hates Greninja for being OP. Ash-Greninja got nerfed in scarlet&violet and I didn't know smash greninja was nerfed too 😂😂😂

15:41 oh my god unite isnt pay to win you can get everything that affects play without money people who pay dont get a distinct advantage

And last imagine all players with lvl ... Stats like smash wii u ... Advanced fool fan Basics: 1 everytime u reset lvl skill etc u loose 1 lvl bonus... And can have 1 skill refunfer at lvl 100 2 time lvl100 one star At lvl 100 2 star .... 3 chance (long lvl up) When at lvl 100 / 3 star ..... Its one in a year At lvl 1 u can choose 3 ennemy to decrease chance to fight agaist and apply bonus with with Them (random by ur game général 18:03 stats agaist And 3 ally to have to partner with (can be change every day) bonus random too but général stats! Plus 1 caracter universe unique item like super champs u can have item .26 more big or release Each lvl u can up (in%) ur def, att, attack spd .... Spd magic resist.. shield grab throw power or spd...etc and boost 1 Button stats like dam dealt on shield, grab or running ennemy😏 , recoil more far the enemy speed movement, speed inialcast..... Etc ... Ex bordelands 2 At 100 u can reset caracter with 1 star and start lvl 1 and can uprade your stat by 2_ ex uprade shield capacity at lvl 1 0,4 % at lvl 2 is 0,8_,... And can change ur iniatilal stats ...smash wii u Each lvl 1 Bégon 1 dtarYour unique items chance drop + 10% Choose an item want upgrade drop by 10 except yours 1 star Enemy/ally mark can go to 6 or 5-3 (minimal of 2 ennemy or ally) 3 star player is thirthy percent bonus (1 and 2 togeth😅er) are allowed and can change taunt by 1 every B caracter move.,. start stat at initial damage and are 3nd bonus lvl upgrade u can have..... Ally can up to ----16ennemy/ ally----- (minimal 1 friend or ennemy) Cause 1 both each u can place the bonus you want..like smash spd etc And have 25 % more to party with this two one, if number is equal If one enemy or Ally 80% If 2-3-4 ennemy or Ally ITs 60© At 5 = 50 At 6 33 At 3 star lvl 100 hero, you earn 1 ur last detiny u can back your initilal or (ne er sure with number)75% of stat refund is free choice + double 1 stats of each b attack + third attack have random bonus with caracter with same attack... And 3 caracter with ally and enemy have play give stat too.... Imagine if with each u play is memorised... If u play faster whit fox as ally(FOX😮 Ally set by u) add random max bonus like speed mouvement etc.. team can have like lESS dam receive because 2,of you have same ennemy.... u can earn by time and change by time... Its just by random général stats game..... When complete u start ur dojo every week u can create 1 time create ur own tournament with 49 other player (or 99 batle royale) if u win 3 times your tournament in a month u elligible to fight agaist top tier real champion (like mkleo) in a tournament with ur dojo rule... If u win u can have sponso ... And create the différence 😀 Smash RPG Ultimate Maker With a ton of peach a daysy with ultra feminist power ... Where that can 1 shot u if 2 caracter is completly diff

I am NOWHERE CLOSE to these gamers but everytime I play with sepheroth and his shield is op, if someone attacks me with a direct attack shield and after attack is so usefull, my friend plays usually with bayonetta and when she uses the giant hand on me she's ALLWAYS in the mercy of my attack

I magine you can have wario with mario skin and luigi hat ... About shoe and glove color

Greninja is still INSANELY OP it just takes skill

They got the CaseOh treatment

Steve is broken, he has a answer for everything and he’s literally built around digging which makes digging super easy so do then counter those who come at you while digging, and he has he side tilt into spike off map. Literally so hard to DI that even at low Hp and DI you’re getting spiked

Why is it when he talks abt fighters pass vol. 1 HE SHOWS POKEMON UNITE AKA MY BABY (although unite is p2w)

0:32 It’s called super armor/tough guy not the technique for example piranha plants down b

What video was that cat sound from?

100% love this video, my mentality is if the character is at least top 5-15 then they should be looked at for a ban, if they are mid tier even if RNG heavy you can still play around it unlike the consistent top tiers that many players try to defend despite not being healthy for the game. Like it's crazy how some even wanna bad low tiers when they already have it hard enough just to spite those players including me. Well I sure hope the next game fixes Steve and others. (as for Aegis yeah they can actually leave, they set the bar to the ground when it comes to stance characters. (Not sorry for Aegis fans you are next to be on the major nerf/remove list))

Whatsong is playing at 9:03

Me who mains Greninja and Meta Knight:Oh fu- Edit:Greninja/Aegis rn

Love the thought of someone throwing a fit and not playing anymore cause their ice climber shit was so cheap and they weren’t good LOL

wtf was that melee tierlist with jigglypuff being better than fox and marth???

What's the intro song called? Also the song at 1:37 pls 🙏

Villager could just spam trees and he can solo