That's complety untrue, Silco was willing to go rather all out war with Piltover, than handing Jinx over.

@@NoName-vb4pc A war that happened once before and they lost. But this time, the opposition has even better weapons.

This time their side had Shimmer and Jinx had figured out Hextech weaponry so they would have had the edge in the war

@@mike21378 Jinx figured out how to use the ONE Hextech core that she manage to steal. Piltover has the resources to produce Hextech weaponry on an industrial scale. Piltover could anihilate the undercity if they went all out. And if the council believes this to be in their best interests, they will not hesitate to do so. Silco clearly understands this. This is why he mostly resorts to intimidation and tries to avoid a direct conflict: he has to convince the council that a civil war would be more costly than granting Zaun their independence. Otherwise, he is screwed.

@@joaomarcoscosta4647 sorry, its Hextech GEMSTONE, hextech core is the thing that Victor has created. Just mentioning, thats not some big mistake, but still :D

I really didn't expect a lot from Silco - but he was so much more than he seemed at the beginning. I would've loved to see more of him in Season 2, but oh well...

@@DelusionalPoet I loved all the little details in his father-daughter relationship with jinx, like how his admiration for the sharks influenced jinxs design of the rocket launcher (cause it was initially made for him)

@@maxmustermann-zx9yq I never noticed this - that's so cool!

@@DelusionalPoet I think for your earlier point about the 5 man band, that it doesn't work, more becuase of how the scenes play out eg: powder being left behind and vander (the Mentor/father figure) being captured. - I get preceiving that perspective, however it feels more like you have a perspective that you have warped the scene around to match. eg: that silco is a good dad (eg: cares deeply for Jinx, from asking her what happened, being supportive of her trauma and leading upto his death scene and what he says to jinx, however ignores aspects like promoting jinx instability (eg: Your perfect - ending), not chastising Jinx for killing the enforcers (after getting the hextech orb) and similar... Its kinda picking what you want to see whilst ignoring other aspects that counter the point.

I mean I'd say almost all the characters in the show were interesting

A flawed and not quite good father.

But a loving, faithful father no less

I didn't need my heart anyways, lol

I didn't need my heart anyways, lol

Like Vander did Don't glorify Silco, he was a horrible person regardless of parenting skills

That and he has the ruined-eye thing like Zuko

nah i reallyyyyyyy wanted him to lose, aka for powder to be saved by her sister

@@dragoonMSfan for me its the total opposite I was rooting for Silco and Jinx through the whole show

I really wanted him to win though. He did some messed up stuff and I am not saying he was right but him getting his will would likely mean an end to it and an era of independent Zaun

I wanted him to win ;0

Eh, not really. Jinx still isn't ready to let Silco kill Vi just so her pain would stop. It's almost like she still loves Vi even more than Silco even with their differences, and she also isn't willing to do ANYTHING.

@@mathies3598 That's not true

@@anitaremenarova6662 it's tho !

@@mathies3598 That's not true. Jinx loves Silco more than Vi. Jinx still care for Vi (as for love I doubt it), but not as much as the young Powder did. That slap at the end of ep 3 broke their bond as sisters. We will see more in season 2 of Arcane.

@@AngelOfDeathBG then how do you explain her saving Vi like that?

That's actually a really good comparison!

this shows characters are so goddamn human

@@Mandus_The_Mad yes, LOVED that

Silco used children.... Stop simping

@@jediburrito Vi kills children, Jayce didnt give a F until he had to face it for real, Piltovers leaders are just as shady as Silco,, and your comment on "stop simping" well..you sound like one of those toxic league players that you mute right away when starting to play :D every character in the show kills children :D

@@HK-gm8pe why were the children there lmaoooooo

Yeah, I'd guess so as well. It's definitely seems more like a non-familial thing to me, but we technically don't know for sure so...best to keep it vague! Thanks for the kind words, though! :)

He didn't care about 'Zaun's people' at all. He loved the ideal of Zaun independence. Someone who cares about people and doesn't see them as pawns doesn't murder his own people. Murder children. Etc. His care for Jinx is only due to the sociopathic love of himself that he has. He sees Jinx as a mini him, molded her as such. That's what he cares about.

@@Gotabonetopick I would argue that he didn't care for the individuals, eg: he didn't care about the impact that shimmer would have on his people and similar, however he still wanted indepence for his people. Kinda like how most revolutionaries examine the issue, its more for the greater perspective. I would say Bones that he doesn't hate his people, as we are not shown cases of him killing or having people killed that are not against him. Also that under silco the undercity became more economically divided (eg: emergence of the chem barons to those who became addicted to shimmer). I mean Silco did tone down from what he was in the first three episodes, as you would imagine after getting the formula fixed, that they would have been more militaristic.

@@michaelstone9065 He wanted independence simply for the virtue of it. He barely sees other human beings as people to begin with. There was not a morally good bone in his body and I will die on this hill. Every action he made from start to finish was motivated completely selfishly. People come in two categories for him. Pawns and enemies. I wouldn't say then that he cares about 'his people' as much as what they can do to further his goals.

@@Gotabonetopick I think his selfish way of thinking was forged by Vanders betrayal. He had a brother and a revolution... he had friends, but was betrayed by them and left for dead. He continued believing in the cause of fighting for Zaun, but after this action, his passion turned into obsession and he viewed his old way of being as weak. He took up more extreme ways of fighting, and reinvented himself. He saw it as him against the world; he was the only one who thought he knew what was best for Zaun which is why his actions are so selfish and cruel sometimes. But betrayal will do that to someone. I agree with the guy that said he did care about his people, but that care is buried under layers of anger and self isolation. He wasn’t a normal revolutionary anymore. I think he truly thought he was alone; him and jinx. And the fate of Zaun was entirely up to him because no one else was willing to go as far as he was. Vander betrayed him, everyone else grew ‘complacent and afraid’ in his eyes. He was a person who was deeply hurt and even though he claimed the betrayal made him stronger, it also made him blind of the old things he used to hold fear. Brothers, friends, and the people of Zaun. He threw away what really mattered for ‘the cause’, because he thought he had no choice. He thought it made him weak, but that’s because of Vanders betrayal. Which is why his ending is so poetic because it all comes full circle and he can’t bare to sacrifice Jinx in order to become the king he always wanted to be. All the sacrifices and years of planning and reinvention came to nothing. It’s what makes his decision not give her up so potent because the Silco we thought we knew wouldn’t have hesitated; this is the same Silco that murdered Vander and forsook his people all for his greater goals. The hardened person he became after his betrayal, that he tried his best to force himself into being, cracked in the end and his humanity skipped through. A selfless act by a selfish person. He did originally love jinx for selfish reasons because he saw himself in her but I believe in the end when he said “you’re perfect” not “jinx is perfect” like before, was him loving her for exactly who she was, even knowing she killed him. He simply wouldn’t be an interesting character if every single action he took was selfish. On the surface it may seem like that, but there’s hidden nuances behind everything. And you have to keep in mind we never saw what Silco was like before the betrayal by Vander. We only saw the end result of a lifetime of pain. That would drive anyone to do terrible things.

Let's put it like this, Silco, dispute the cruelty and evil of his actions, had every reason and justification to be as evil as he did. Zaun is a complete and utter tool to piltover. If there is a problem, they can send enforcers to beat, kidnap, arrest or even kill anyone that they wish. Case and point, Jayce killed a child and suffered absolutely no consequence from doing it. If not for the terrible act of Silco and Jinx, which again im not defending, Piltoer would never have even considered giving Zaun independence. My point is, Silco was right all along.

I think this is an incredibly important lesson and the show's strongest theme. We become like the people who give us the things we most need, and those people can be healthy or not. I think it's a well-timed message for today's political climate, especially. People don't just do atrocities because of "eeheehee I'm evil let's do evil", they take on twisted idealogies because the people who found them, took them in, and provided them what they most needed had these twisted ideologies. Vander took a clear preference for Vi, leaving Powder in her shadow. Claggor was a neutral presence. Mylo was constantly critical of her. And Vi, who very much showed her plenty of healthy, attentive love, could not adapt when her little sister had grown into an incredibly broken person. Only Silco showed her the love she needed, and displayed it was completely unconditional. It takes a true sort of love to give up your greatest ambitions for someone who just shot you, comfort them as they cry over their mistake, and still call them "perfect". The only way you have a shot at becoming the stronger influence is by coming to someone with understanding of who they are, not who you wish they would be. Be the the healthy person who can come to people as they are, so the unhealthy people aren't all they have to turn to.

Very true, and it makes Silco's death somewhat even more tragic. Vander died because his way wasn't working, by trying to preserve a shitty status quo, it only made things worse and his loyalty to Vi is ultimately why he died. And Silco compromised himself in order to achieve his goal, he accepted his rebirth as a villain for the sake of not making the same mistakes he was seeing Vander making... But in the end, died the exact same way: killed because he refused to let Piltover take his daughter.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

_This_ Just.... All of it. You're brewing my thoughts and turning them into a intellectually composed soup with insights I could'nt have ever done. Bravo

You would think I'd have noticed that detail considering how much I used that scene while editing, but I didn't! That's a really cool detail, though!

Ooh wait, what do you mean by this? The whole monsters thing?

Yeah I thought the same thing. Seeing some of yourself in others is pretty much how empathy works. Either "that is me", "that was me", "that could be me" or "it'll never be me, but if it was, damn it'd suck".

Well, it certainly didn't freaking help Jinx get better. If anything, he molded her in his own image and made her mental problems worse.

@@facundomontivero2299 No, their attachment was toxic and destructive. But that doesn't mean Silco didn't care about her, or that his actions weren't selfless. Sadly, a fucked up person with good intentions will still end up hurting others

@@guicaldo7164 Never implied he didn't care about her. You can be a loving father, and still end up being a bad father.

@@facundomontivero2299 Definitely agree

Same for Jinx when Vi slapped her then grabbed her and said "Because you are a Jinx", that was the end of their sister's bond.

in Vander's eye mindless slaughter and war with the top is useless and Silco's ideals are like betrayal for peace which he wants. in his eyes silco betrayed their cause. for silco it is betrayal for the same reason, Vander's softness won't bring Zaun's freedom . they both wanted peace for zaun but with different methods

@@alihorda The thing is, Vander was on Silco's side, he was killing enforcers on the bridge before switching over to adopt Vi and Powder. People wants to fight for Zaun, Vander is the one who betrayed them. I'm not saying Vander is wrong, but he's the one who sided away from them.

@@TobiNano yes because he realized that the carnage will hurt everyone

@@alihorda thats the price for peace. Undercity people are already hurting while people in Piltover are listening to violins.

Bruh... Silco straight up uses child labor at his drug factories to feed a cycle of addiction that secures him at his position of power... yeah... he's a villain...

And don't get me wrong, people from topside in positions of power, such as in the council, are also villains in my pov, just like I'd consider some people in power in our real world that just use power to keep people oppressed to be straight up evil villains

@@ivoandre8345 don’t doubt that the same things are done on the topside. Maybe not for drugs, but political power and prestige. Ambessa did send her young daughter away for a better foothold in the city.

Come to think of it, it’s the same in the game. The only Zaunite champions who aren’t either young (Jinx, Ekko, Zeri, I’m counting Seraphine too, and I’ve seen people say Mundo is 17!) or older (Renata Glasc) are creatures. Warwick, Ziggs, Twitch… Urgot doesn’t count because he’s from Noxus.

@@miticaBEP07 Mundo is actually in Arcane. He is the guy who can't keep his tongue off of things and people. Mundo's lore says he gets committed to an experimental asylum by a chembaron who thinks him insane (Sevika's face when he licks the head of one of her goons). The Asylum was actually a cover for stupidly dangerous tests on unwilling captive patients. And Dr. Mundo is the result. A Patient/Test Subject who THINKS he is the Doctor who cures people with a mighty meat cleaver. Mundo's tongue hangs out like the Licky Guy's tongue on several occasions.

@@Hawkido as long as he’s not actually a kid I’m glad

Well, she was starting to run to Powder when she saw Silco was coming near her.

@@bunnyrabb1t exactly

Coming back doesn’t change the fact that she left in the first place. What if Silco had killed Powder would it not have been Vi’s fault because “she tried to come back”. A good sibling would’ve ran with their sister to safety then deal with the drama afterwards

@@mike21378 "Deal with the drama afterwards" I wouldn't call ones sibling making a mistake and causing the death of their adoptive father just "drama".

She was just a kid. She had no plan to go back, she had no thought that far. In that moment, she just wanted to get away from powder as anger, sadness and despair overran her. Of course when she saw Silco and the fear of losing her sister kicked in, then she wanted to immediately safe her.

You know, I see your point, and I think it's absolutely valid. Personally, I'd have to disagree though. (This is not me trying to devaluate your interpretation though!) With him flooding the streets of Zaun with Shimmer, his complete apathy to the fate of those that take it (like the blonde guy in act one), him being responsible for the death of Greyson and for capturing Vander, and him threatening to kill Markus' daughter (to list only those things that I remember off the top of my head), I think Silco definitely has some undeniable villainous qualities. Does that make him a villain? Well, as I alluded to earlier, I think that's really up to interpretation. I can see the point that the things that are unusual about Silco and that make him less villainous in the process lead to him not being a villain at all, but for me, personally, those are the things that make him subversive - but still a villain. (I totally feel you on your last part, though. Spelling villain is the real villain here.)

That's so nice of you to say! Thanks! :)

Silco is loyal to Sevika, too. She loses an arm protecting him from the blast, but he makes sure to take her along with him afterward (she's in his goon's arms), and fixes her up with a shiny new Shimmer arm and makes her his second in command. He could have just left her there, but he doesn't. But Jinx has #1 status: when she's dying, he picks her up /himself/ instead of having a goon do it even though it clearly tires him.

I definitely see your point, but I think calling him a villain still kinda works. Personally, I think he's definitely framed a villain in the first act - perhaps until he takes in Powder. From there, he does become less and less villainous over the course of the show, but I'd say that's what makes him subversive. Silco is one of those characters that, in my opinion, kinda shows that these labels can help a lot, but are far from absolutes. Like, even "antagonist" as a label could, in my opinion, be argued against. I mean, who even is Arcane's protagonist? I'd argue we have many protagonists, many characters we follow and perspectives to see. And sure, Silco is an antagonist for Vi, Caitlyn, and others, but I think you could even call Jinx one of Arcane's protagonists - and Silco certainly isn't an antagonist to her. For me, the fact that Silco doesn't really fit into a catergory is what makes him not just subversive, but what makes him interesting enough for me to want to talk about him :)

i'd say he is almost an anti-villain

He tries to murder children, pushes dangerous drugs, exploits the people he claims to defend and crushes any obstacle in his way without mercy. And just ends up being another cog in the machine of oppression that he supposedly wanted to tear down. He's a villain with delusions of heroism. Having a soft spot or two doesn't change that.

@@Lightice1 Thank you! So many people forget his readiness to murder children. The fact is, Silco is a text book narcist, and a text book villain, yes, he developed a soft spot for one person, but he did it by molding a traumatized and mentally unstable child in his own image.

@@ZackScroggins bro people are deluded by this character it's insane. Did you saw the therapist video about his relation with Jinx ?

literally... and i'm like how is that okay? and it's because people have been brainwashed. hey the poor aren't really people, are they?

>:)

A great villain makes you understand the actions they take even if you don't agree with them.

I love Sylas, I'd love to one day see his story animated!

Finally someone understand it.

I disagree with the park about him seeing her as a girl with mental problems. I think in his mind he actually believes that she's perfect. But other than that I agree with everything else. Silco is damaged as well and doesn't know how to properly raise jinx. He believes what's best for her is to kill off the weaker part of herself (Powder).

He raised the best he could and clerly he cared and was protective of her, but as Isaac mentioned he wasn`t particularly mentally stable either, so many of the things he taught her were not actually good for Jinx, so good intentions or not, Silco wasn`t capable to provide what she needed. Sadly, being a loving father doesn`t equal being a good father.

He had a different more compass than most people in that regard he raised her with his belief which by the way are not that different than Vander’s who we saw Bashing people’s heads in, running a criminal network in the Lanes with threat of Violence, and willing to try and kill a close friend (Silco) for his own ends. Hell the moral compass isn’t even that different from Vi’s who has always wanted war against the Topside, enough to risk her friends and sister’s lives, assaults and abandons her sister when she should have been there for her the most, and doesn’t bat an eye at Child murder and even encourages more violence because “fuck it kids die all the time down here”. Legit the only way Silco is worse than those two is that he peddles Shimmer to the poor, other than that people just have a Protagonist/Antagonist bias toward Vander/Vi and Silco

@@mike21378 In that case it is not a problem of Silco or Arcane but that people are used to having good bad guys. And when you introduce them to characters capable of challenging and not conforming to the public, It is from this gray compass that Arcane's heart is born and because the characters act following a narrative but with shades that show that even the worst people can be motivated by a just cause.From that beat and a touch of fatherhood is where Silco is formed, a rotated man who gives everything for an independent country, or so he thought until his own daughter became the price to pay.

I'm glad you think so! :) I do still have a lot to improve on, though, and I have only been doing this for a little while - I'd guess those are the main reasons ^^

That's really interesting :D You're not the only one to point that out, so there must be something to it, but I never would've drawn that connection myself. Still kinda cool, though ^^

I'll send some love from Germany right back at you! :)

Some do good acts to get rewards, fame, or boosting their ego.

It’s spelled Zaun, but I agree with your overall point

@@TotallyNotLoki thx fixed it

She is loyal to the cause, not the man. Silco is affirming that he is loyal to the cause when he's talking about loyalty, and also calling on her loyalty, but even he knows that's slipping and that it's his fault.

It will probably be focused much more around Viktor. The set up for his final split with Jayce leading to him fleeing to Zaun with the Hexcore to start his Glorious Revelution is in place, now we only need to get there.

@@GameBreaker1055 hope so cause Viktor was the other perfect character beside silco