Normally I wouldn't do this, but I have addressed the same issue 20 times already. Yes I have seen the Great Debate videos with Tom Hulett, and no it does not disprove anything I've said here. The information that made it into this video, is the information that can be objectively proven. 1, Konami dumped the source code for the game in the collection 2, Hijinx decided to use incomplete source code instead of running the original, or PC versions on an emulation layer (which could have looked and performed just as good, if not better than what we got.) 3, Tomm Hulett planned from the very start to re record all voiced dialogue, and re write the original script. These are the 3 issues that lead to every issue I brought up in this video, and nothing said in the Great Debate video disproves any of it. If the info in the Great Debate interview did disprove any of this, I would still not use it, as it is hearsay, coming from the one man with a good enough reason to lie about things. Those 3 issues are objective fact, that has been confirmed by Tomm, his team, and members of Konami. You'll excuse me if a story made up by a guy facing extreme amounts of criticism, after the fact, which contradicts the story he told before all the harassment, seems a bit suspect.

All I’m wanting is SH 1,2,3,4 all available in their original forms on PS4

Konami should hav hired bluepoint to remaster this. The MGS HD collection they made was one the best collections i've played

Charles Manson once was asked how does it feel to be crazy psychopath and he replied -"I don't know,I never played SH 2 with new voice over"

HD Collection voice acting: Anime Original voice acting: Real people

Doctor: Slow Pendulum isn't real, he can't hurt you Slow Pendulum: 16:15

I never understood how much a idiot you can be to lose the source code of one of your most successful franchises in the first place!?!

*Reads title* SH Community: Wow thats a weird way to spell "trash"

I'm late but hear me out Capcom: We made Resident Evil Konami: We made Silent Hill Capcom: We remade Resident Evil. Konami: We made an HD collec- WAIT NO NO WE DIDN'T Capcom: We made RE7 Konami: ...... We killed Silent Hills.... Capcom: We remade Resident Evil 2 and now 3. Konami: We don't wanna talk about it... Honestly, Konami MIGHT be working on a new SH or some remakes. But who knows. Funny how after the 4th installment of both series it went down hill until the time of P.T and Re7 and BOTH were first person.

I mean, the Metal Gear Legacy Collection had everything up to date and included a PSN code for MGS1, also Konami. It's pretty insulting to the series.

The biggest crime of the collection is that Silent Hill 4 wasn't included.

In Tom Hewlett's defense, when you work for a company that literally hires internal police to make sure you don't talk shit about the big guy at the top, and still expects you to deliver state of the art output with broken alpha versions of games created 10 years ago, the very fact that he was even able to make these is a miracle in itself. the poor man was stuck between accountants that didn't know how game design works and outraged fans that were too angry to see he was doing what he could.

the biggest problem right now is that someone like me who's starting his Silent Hill Collection, can't afford the original versions of 2 and 3 since each one goes for hundreds of dollars whereas the HD Collection is available for $30-$40. So I don't care if it's worse, I'd rather get what I can afford

4:34 OMG Heather's shadow is scarier than Pyramid Head!

Really sucks that this game was my entry to the series. Luckily I had enough sense to buy original versions on ps2 that I had to rebuy because god damn, it still made me fall in love to this series. Thats the only good thing about this collection. It brought attention to the series. Unfortunately many newbies dont understand that a lot of bad things in this are not in the original games. I really hated SH3 in this, mainly because the new voice actor completely fucked her character up. She seemed bitchy and I just didnt care for her. Then bought the pc version and later ps2 version and now shes my favorite female game protagonist of all time. Thank goodness I've played the originals now so many times that the taint is slowly wearing off.

O_o ok i've played silent Hill 3 ...maybe 3 times....WAY back so i really don't have any idea how heather sounds... but the short clip where she sits on the bed.... she sounds WAY to "grown up" and "sexy" for a teenager/young adult

"I hope everyone who worked on it never find work in this industry again". That was a pretty gigantic manchild thing to say. If you work at a crappy company that gives you a crappy boss who then orders you to do things that are a bad idea but you have no real authority to override what he's saying you should never find work in the field again? Come on now.

No one: Avalanche Reviews: it works through my framemeister just fine

You were actually more generous to the HD collection than I was expecting. I didn't notice most of the good side you were talking about in the collection until you mentioned them!

I’m gonna be honest here This was my SH introduction I wasn’t there for graphics or frame rate But mostly or characters and story Sooo win? Oh I also played with the original voices (I’m not an animal)

In Tom Hulett's deference (he has come out in recent years to talk about his experience at Konami), he was just an associate producer on this title and had other projects he was working on (namely Silent Hill Downpour). But, he was actually going on leave around the time the game was in a bug fixing stage and left Konami and Hijinx a detailed log of all the bugs he found while playing Silent Hill 2 & 3. While on leave he was requested to play through both games again and on his own time played through both games and made another bug report. When he got back into the office and checked his old report and his new report he noticed it was the exact same... every single bug he reported the first time had not been fixed in the "newer finished build" he had just played. Tom Hulett is not a bad guy, you can say his vision for Silent Hill is not your taste, but he is not a lazy hack. He did really care about the franchise and it can be argued without him things would have been a lot worse. For those curious TheGrateDebate have an excellent interview with the man about everything HD Collection. EDIT: In regards to the Voice Acting, Tom wanted the original voice tracks. He did not want to redub the games, but Konami and the original actors were in a dispute over rights and residuals. So, Tom went and redubbed it and thanks to his good working relations with Elizabeth McGlynn they did the best they could and did a great job. It's just not the originals and Tom knew that. And, thanks to Tom's persistence they even got the original audio for Silent Hill 2, but due to other issues could not get it done for Silent Hill 3. Once again no one cares because Tom, is such a controversial figure, even though just doing a scrap of research shows he did have a love and passion for the franchise. He did the best he could with the hand Konami gave him.

Also; 27:46 "Very rarely does the guy cleaning paintings at a museum hold himself in as high regard as the original artist who made the works he's in charge of dusting off every night." FUCKING REKT

The irony of looking back at this abomination on THANKSgiving of all days 😂

It's funny how a small group of modders made a better job with a PC version of SH2 for free rather than a paid studio with a shitty 11th hour port job.

I'm sorry, I despise Troy Bakers acting. Not the man himself, but he always plays the same characters, and as the remaster shows, he gets too breathy and theatrical.

"pillarboxing" and then you cut to letterboxing. I do not understand how you keep making this mistake. Pillarboxing is vertical, it's what happens when you play 4:3 games on a 16:9 TV. Letterboxing is horizontal and is what happens when you watch films in wider aspect rations than 16:9, or when a game wants to feel "cinematic".

When I heard the absolute soul-crushing butchering of Mary's final letter in SH2 - I died a little inside. Say what you want about original SH2 voice acting, but the final letter and that long hallway flashback were an absolute awe-inspiring masterpiece of a voice acting job. And I will die on that hill. And now that masterpiece has ugly soap-opera tier doodles on it. Absolute fucking misery. But ok, it's all well and good, you can play with old voice acting, right? No harm done, right? Well, you can't in 3. And that idiots managed to do the impossible. They managed to make Heather unlikable and Claudia with Vincent boring by the power of crappy voicework alone. That ride to Silent hill bit plain and simple does not work anymore, Claudia simply does not believe in her paradise and salvation of humanity anymore, Vincent does not have any subtlety to him anymore. What a travesty. This is an Oldboy remake of videogames. How did they fuck up this badly with the same damn script is beyond me.

I'm pretty sure I read or heard it somewhere that the reason why they didn't use the original VO in Silent Hill 3 cuz they couldn't get in touch with Heather's original voice actress to get permission to use it in the HD Remaster and the reason was that she was on rock climbing trip at the time and by the time she knew about it , it was too late. That's what I heard anyway. Anyway I hope you review Silent Hill 4 😍

You're putting a too much hate on Hijinks and Hullet rather than Konami. Besides for bad releases usually being the fault of the money men, here specifically Konami basically made it impossible to make a good game. They made them use broken and old source code, had no access to the original team for advice, a year to develop it, a low budget, and were likely mandated to use a new voice cast due to royalty concerns or Konami thinking that's the only important thing to get sales. It's like if a chef was hired to a 5 star restaurant and their first night they're giving low grade meat and only 75% of the amount they need to fill all the orders but you're still expected to create a fantastic dinner. And just look at how bad every Konami game has been without its main/original developers or team, especially with Silent Hill. At best the new games are ok. The developers keep changing but Konami and low quality are consistent.

I wouldn't say the voice acting debate is subjective. When A New Hope was being made, no one could take Darth Vader seriously until they had James Earl Jones do the voice. Silent Hill is no different. Guy Cihi and Heather Moris put more than their voices into their characters. They embody every aspect from their mannerisms to their grunts during combat. Every character across each game was built off the people Team Silent hired. The HD Collection feels like a worse version of George Lucas's Special Editions where he got the most famous actors from the 90s to dub over the original cast. It wouldn't fir then, and it'll never fit with Silent Hill. Watching the prison scene in the HD Collection is absolute torture at how much they butcher James and Maria.

I did want to get the HD collection back in the day, but I heard nothing but negative things about it, like regarding the visuals, and the sound quality, so I always avoided it, and stuck with the ps2 versions. And holy shit, I did not know about the new voice actors. That's actually kind of insane. I mean Troy Baker was James? Madness, lol.

I'm so glad i own a physical copy of SH3. thank god I never had to initially experience these masterpieces through the HD collection.

I actually encountered an even more annoying issue in Silent Hill 2 that wasn't mentioned here. I don't know if this was only on the 360 version, but for some reason they made the environments ludicrously dark in the version of 2 in the collection. It was so dark that unless you had the light on you literally couldn't navigate, and it made the outdoor segment after the hospital utterly nightmarish (as opposed to the original where it was dark, but not so dark you couldn't navigate without the light on). The light itself only illuminated a very small area immediately in front of you too. I understand that the 360 version was far more stable on release, and because of that I never experienced any slowdown, but they also didn't patch it, meaning the PS3 version eventually ended up being slightly better from what I understand.

AAAHH, FINALLY, time to let these restless dreams rest

IMO, I think what made the original voice actors shine was that they came off as everyday people if that makes any sense. Sure top tier VAs were here. But it takes away from that normalcy charm that James and Heather were being your typical everyperson

To be totally honest I actually didn't mind the HD remasters shortcomings that much. Even though Hijinx did at an absolutely terrible job at porting the games as you stated in your video, I still find this to be the optimal way of playing these games today... for me at least. The HD visuals simply just look better when playing on modern televisions, especially if you own an OLED since it rivals the contrast ratios of the CRT's we used back in the day. Don't get me wrong I do definitely prefer the originals, but at a practical level, it just makes more sense than dusting off my old ps2 and CRT or playing them on a monitor where the poor contrast level ruin every dark part of the game. (this is of course just personal preference) Anyway, great video as always! currently marathoning your stuff during this shitty quarantine

I've seen several KZfaqrs pick apart the silent hill and Resident evil games and each time I appreciate the love that goes into these videos. Keep up the great work, dude!

Jared, I used to feel the same way about Tomm Hulett, but there have been some videos posted on here with interviews from him that really shed some light on the whole situation. It's quite interesting to look into.

When you got to the part about the voice acting, all I can say is that I wholeheartedly agree with where you were coming from and I felt the dame way. I still haven't actually played the games yet but I was really into the lore and watching the cutscene movies and listening to the soundtracks and reading synopsis that I did eventually stumble upon the cutscenes for Silent Hill 3's re-cast and oh boy was it not good. I understand that the original voice cast for these games weren't professionals (that I'm aware of aside from Laura Bailey who voiced Angela) but that's kinda what really sold the atmosphere of these games, they sounded like people you could meet in real life... Well sorta but you get what I mean. I especially agree with Heather's voice change, the new actress doesn't make her sound like a teenager and oh man, I didn't even hear Laura's re-cast till this video, just not good stuff. It really just comes to show that voice acting can really make or break the atmosphere for a game and it's a shame Silent Hill got affected by it. It's like the anime for Pokemon. Whether people want to admit it or not, the 4Kids voice cast for the main characters was actually rather nice as opposed to the re-cast that makes the characters sound flat and boring with not much personality though that's just my opinion of course. That's why I could understand your grip with the Silent Hill re-cast for voice acting haha.

I always find your videos to be so smooth to watch. I've never played the HD collection but i've had seen a good part of what was wrong, but there's some pretty new things I've learned thanks to you. Keep making great videos mate!

Man, the 6th gen (Dreamcast, PS2, GameCube, Xbox) REALLY nailed the survival horror genre in my opinion. Games like RE1 Remake, Eternal Darkness, Silent hill 2-4, The Suffering, Fatal Frame 2, Rule Of Rose and Haunting Ground, just to name a few. The 7th gen was kind of where it started to fade into obscurity with some notable exceptions like Dead Space 1 and Amnesia. P.S. Any plans on doing retrospectives on canceled horror projects like Silent Hills and Shadow of the Eternals? The latter is especially heartbreaking for me personally since it was essentially going to be a spiritual successor to Eternal Darkness.

I can't blame Mary McGlynn since in this day and age, it's sadly expected for all employees to also dabble in PR for the company they work for or else be fired. It's unfair and shouldn't be legal for a company to demand it, but right now it is. Also I don't understand the difficulty of upscaling ps1 games to HD. I own several games on the ps1 and Dreamcast so there is a a graphical improvement. Couldn't Konami use that Bleem program to make SH1 look much better? I don't see why not.

I’ve only ever played the Xbox port of SH2 and my first reaction to the remastered voice actors was:”THATS NOT JAMES!”

Keep on moving man, don't give up! I enjoy your content a lot, you do a great work, always well thought out, well researched and well presented. It comes off as a labor of love, with passion, with dedication, with competence. I'm rooting for your success. Cheers from a far away fan.

There's this game for PS2 called Lifeline: Voice Action Adventure. It's so bad it makes me wonder if you've played it.

Ranting Jared is a strong Jared.

"The Gang F**** Up The Gameplay" popped up as soon as the always sunny intro rolled up on my tv and I'm watching this video on my phone, it was legendary.

Your stuff is always great. An HD collection is such a great idea, its so sad this is the result. Thank you for your work and research, this was very informative.

This remaster was my first experience with the series. Since then I’ve gotten my hands on a copy of the original ps2 sh2, and my god at the difference...

Love the video! I'm really looking forward to your thoughts on silent hill 4

Man I don’t own a PC or PS2… the HD collection is literally all I have. And I don’t care about the flaws it has. I know it’s shitty what they did with them. But at the end of the day I am still playing silent hill. I still got to appreciate the beauty that is those games either way. Nothing changed.

I am new to your channel Avalanche Reviews, I am loving your Silent Hill reviews though. I just have one question maybe you can help me with. You said playing this collection on PS3 was a bad idea if you wanted the best experience possible in your opinion. Where can I find the PC Game? Would I have to buy a physical copy with a disk?

It sucks how this had to go down. Btw is the silent hill 1-4, and origins able to be downloaded on PC ?

The HD collection was how I first played Silent Hill 2 & 3 unfortunately.

SH2 on the HD collection is fine, never froze or glitched on me. Obviously weird little sound & texture oddities, but honestly it was really fun finding all the flaws, it made my experience actually enjoyable. Now SH3 on HD is bad unfortunately

Great video! I just finished SH 2 on this collection and without not playing the original, saw many glitches and issues. However, the PS2 games are about $150-$200 each, so this is all I’ve got for now. Thanks for all the great content!

Worst konami game ever... Konami: hold my pachinko machine

Would of been nice to see the 360 version compared as well since it’s backwards compatible, especially on Xbox One X. Everyone talks about the PS3 version but the 360 version is rarely covered.

I'd really like your review of American McGee's Alice. Super oldschool and a CLASSIC in my eyes.

That ecstatic laugh on the ladder image gives the the creeps every time I play this game. I even had a nightmare about it.

Great content as usual. I currently having a SH replay on emulators, but really would like to get the PC versions with the new patches. Is there a safe site where I can get the PC versions? So far I've only found shady download sites.

god i can't get over how they changed heathers voice. it was iconic the way it was. that alone ruins this game imo

Awesome video, as usual. Can't wait for your take on the post Team Silent games. ONE BIG thing I don't understand about the new voices. I remember an interview with Tomm Hulett way back when the HD Collection was still in development, where he uses the example of Angela being voiced by a much older woman rather than a real teenager as one of myriad reasons for why the voice recordings needed to be "fixed". (Never mind that that decision was made on purpose, to make her voice sound more world weary, and beaten down by the horrible life she'd lived.) BUT then goes and does the EXACT same thing with both Heather AND Laura?!?!?!? I mean what??? Seriously.

Great video as always, What's the name of the track that starts around 19:28?

At first I didnt mind the HD Collection because it was my first Silent Hill experience. Now looking back on it you do make a lot of good points in the video. The HD Collection is good but not as good as the original games.

I wish one day we get a proper port of the first 3 games.

Interesting. As I pointed out in my comment on the SH3 video, I experienced very similar slowdowns to what you're describing here on the PC version of that game. Frame rate would drop dramatically and the game would appear to play in slow motion. In my case, it happened consistently, and only, when the flashlight was aimed towards the camera. I don't remember what I did to fix it but I eventually got it working. I just attributed it to trying to run an older game on modern hardware and a newer OS than it was designed for, though I never pinpointed the exact cause.

4:45 The unintentional syncronization of "Ground Rules" is truly something else. I'm pretty sure It's magic.

Their is a level where my game just froze every time so I couldn’t pass the game

Every time I hear the new Heather, I cringe and wanna cry. Though I love her as the Major. She trashed this role in this game .... I've been debating on this collection. Then I waited with baited breath for your review of it. Thank you. I rather be the 4 legged mannequin in the pyramid head scene than waste a red cent on this HD dumpster fire

Still funny how I remember one day I was on the ps now store and I saw the Silent Hill “HD COLLECTION “ and saw that I could download it for free, and I decided why not I love the aesthetic of the foggy town, heard many good things of the games , and I loved playing Pyramid head on Dead by Daylight. I figured why not and decided to play it on my PS4 and wow, what an introduction. Menu music is great and presentation really shows me , a person who has no experience with this franchise , what is to be expected but then I start with SH2, “new voices, that’s weird” oh boy. Long story short I didn’t finish SH2 and haven’t even started SH3 thanks to this video, but it breaks my heart because my introduction with this series is with its bastard child. Hopefully one day I will be able to experience the “team silent trilogy” they way they intended it , maybe one day I’ll find it in the fog.

Can I ask you a question ? I was thinking about buying silent hill : HD collection on Xbox one but some people warned me about it , is there a possibility to have the old voices on at least Silent hill 2 ? And is it worth buying ? I’m torn tbh I loooove the series and I’m so nostalgic I just want to be able to have them since I don’t know if there’s ever gonna be another silent hill .. thanks 💓

I wanna say something real quick. It’s totally okay to play this game if you can’t afford/find/play an original copy on the PS2 or PC. The HD collection has a lot of hiccups but if you haven’t played silent hill 2 it’s still worth it. I only had my hands on this collection for the longest time and even though it’s got loads of fuckups, I’m still glad I was able to play the games. And the HD collection is so old now that it’s not like you can give Konami money by buying a new one. So in conclusion, Silent Hill is great. Play it however you can. Just be aware that this version is far from the best

Hey man, first of all I liked the video because I found it really interesting, and everything that is Silent Hill related is a must watch for me. Good job. That said, everybody should just stop saying that this was Tom Hulett's fault. He partecipated in making some good Silent Hill games, like Silent Hill Origins and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories. If you listen to some podcasts where he was interviewed, you can actually tell that he is a big fanboy of this franchise and he is sorry for how this collection came out. In his words, it was the perfect storm around the project: 1) Konami didn't have the source code of SH1 and SH4 that he wanted to include in the collection. They simply lost it. And your argument about using the PC version of the games is not that simple, because the PS3 was really hard to program. They spent the majority of the time working on that version of the game because it was harder, and here's why the patch is available only on the PS3. 2) The code that Konami gave of SH2 and SH3 wasn't complete, it was an "almost-finished" build of the game. It had missing textures, missing models, and missing text. On top of that, sound glitches that would cause the crash of the game. They had to rework on everything only to make it playable. 3) The team asked Konami for more time and money, but Konami was unrelenting. The release window was already set for March 2012, and they didn't give more resources just because it was a "remaster" and not a "remake". Hulett was shocked in hearing this, and even after explaining everything, Konami never moved a finger. 4) After all these problems, came Guy Cihi expecting more money for the HD release. According to Hulett and other voice actors in the industry, when you dub a game you only receive money for that game only, unless you own the rights of your performance. According to Cihi, he was payed but he never expected a re-release with his voice. But if the contract stated that everything about the game was Konami's property, he didn't have a case at all. So Hulett, while every problem discussed above was going on, he needed to spend even more money that could've been spent on making the game better in order to pay other voice actors to re-dub the game. Oh, and the voice actors didn't have a lead or someone that could explain what was going on in the scenes, they only had the cutscenes and a microphone for the redubbing. 5) The team that worked on the game was too young and incompetent for this project, and they lost track many times. In the end, this happened. And if you're wondering why for example the Legacy Collection of Metal Gear Solid is in perfect shape is simple: Kojima kept the source code of every single game included in that collection, and they gave the job to BluePoint, an excellent studio.

29:10 This WAS my first exposure to SH. Thanks, Cousin Sam! Luckily he had a ps2 copy of sh2&3 for me to borrow. Great work, btw!

My first experience with the Silent Hills games was with this HD collection and it's still one of my favorite series. But I'm not sure why, my version has the original voice acting and didn't have any bugs (altho I did notice the really bad fog)

Ah yes, some of the best survival horror games that we can’t even play properly on new gen :(

Perfect day to upload, Jared you think you're slick😂😂🤣 knowing we're all stuffed on bird 🐦 and in front of some screen 😂🤣 happy turkey day my bro

hey Avalanche whats the Big Booba anime game you plugged at the end of the vid??

How do you feel about the last of us? I remember in your SH3 video you said something along the lines of it being the pinnacle of game development of which we'll never see again. Curious if you hold last of us in as high regard as most do. Thanks for the great content!

As someone who never played the originals and only tried the hd remasters, i really enjoyed it.

Your issue with the voice acting isn't a fan boy one. My first SH game was SH2 on the HD collection and I started with the new VAs (esp bc I love Troy Baker). And it instantly felt off and unfitting. Everyone sounded way too melodramatic and out of sync. I played for like an hour before giving up. Played the original PS2 a few years later and thought the original voices fit perfectly. Now the game is in my top 5 of all time. Still haven't played SH3 yet though

The FTC can't enforce that fine. One court case is all it will take to end the threat of one.

Just a quick question on this whole video. Wasn't there a patch file update released later on to fix the issues that was experienced in this game?

Wish they never changed Heathers voice

IDK that game at the end of the video looked pretty nice.

Thank you. I was wondering what it was about the new VO that bugged me so bad other than them not matching the character at all. It really does sound layered on at such a high volume.

so there are slow downs in SH3 already then how does it looks like if Heather is weaing the bulletproof vest?

And to think that when I was a newbie to the series, I wanted to start with this collection🙏🙄

Your entire argument is that it’s not as good graphically or sound wise, but the noise filter looks nice. Gotcha

Oh god I never knew heathers voice was so bad in the hd collection.

Excellent video! I especially agree on the voices, that really don't fit these nervous broken characters. Probably the thing that angered me most. Well... besides the massive fuckups graphically (like the fog and roads looking terrible).

I now wish I ordered the ps2 originals instead of ordering these two timeless games for my Xbox 360 from eBay... Damn....

This game was my first time with the series.... I agree that the game and grafics suffered a huge amount in this port I'm kinda nostalgic for the voice acting expecially Troy Baker as James

I completely misread the title, but glad I watched it. I hope you look into the the none Team Silent games, I think there is a few hidden gems.

I'm just saying the fact that my first playthroughs of these games were through this remaster and they still ended up being my two favourite horror games of all time is a huge testament to the original products. For all it's many and major faults it still made me love these two games. I did play it after all the updates so I know that it was massively improved from the original release, but I do think after the updates the product was pretty solid, or maybe I just got extremely lucky in terms of bugs. But after going back and playing the original games, that is the way and only way these two masterpieces should be played, for the most part.

Don’t support Disney +!

My stomach hurt hearing the new voices.... ugh, make them stop!!!, aaaaaaaa!!!

If they didn't touch the voice acting, or if it didn't have these glitches and bugs with the gameplay, it would have been fine. But for me, the change of voice acting is definitely the worst thing here

i dont have a ps2 and really wanna play the series, are these good enough if i dont have experience with the series beforehand or not worth it?