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Winged Pikmin's nerf via pathfinding is such a bizarre trait, I remember that I got so confused by Winged Pikmin not carrying treasures atop the Hearth *DUE TO A CLIMBING WALL NOT BEING BUILT*

The canon reason that yellows dig faster is because of their ears. They act like shovels allowing them to go much quicker than any other pikmin. Don't know if you were asking why they can dig faster balance wise or canon wise

4 Purples are also extremely useful during the final bossfight, only requiring you to throw 2 on the tail to knock it over.

I just realized, the only ever change to a Red Pikmins traits is the fire starters, since they were the same in 1,2 and 3

Another funny thing about ice pikmin is that when you manage to time freezing the enemy with hitting them with Oatchi's charge the enemy is technically counted as airborne due to the little "hop" they do on impact, thus instantly being killed when falling to the ground. This is a quick way to deal with Moss in Hero's Hideaway for example.

The reason I believe Yellow Pikmin are the best diggers is because the devs likes to incorporate the physical biology of the Pikmin's design into their in-game attributes. For example the "reason" Red have higher attack power is because they actually stab the enemies with their pointy noses. Likewise, yellow Pikmin fly higher because they use their ears to make themselves aerodynamic, Blues can breathe underwater because their "mouths" are actually gills, Purples are obviously big bois so they can carry more, Whites (could) detect treasures underground because of their eyes being able to detect infrared. I would assume the idea is that yellows are probably using their ears like Shovels.

I'm glad the A tier Pikmin are high-fiveing each other now. Everybody needs to be hyped up sometimes!

Glow Pikmin are such a strength that during night missions, the game will ask you to potentially fight two Smoky Proggs at once, while in other scenarios one Smokey Progg is a serious final-dungeon threat. Having a full squad of Glow with you is the equivalent of two full squads of Pikmin of your choice.

4:30 There is one boss where you absolutely need Purple Pikmin, so they have something that Oatchi cannot do. But on the flipside, the crystal gates can be broken with bombs so Oatchi can technically get through those without needing Rock Pikmin. I also think it's worth noting that Glow Pikmin will bloom over time, so it's easy to get them all flowered without needing to use a spray or gathering nectar. Though they do lose their flowers when used in a glowmob.

I think Pikmin 4's level design does a lot of heavy lifting. Dandori missions forcing certain Pikmin gives you a better idea of their strengths and weaknesses than playing casually. For example, the Level 5 of the bonus cave was such a tight time limit I had to carefully pick which items got the white Pikmin.

Another problem with ice pikmin is that freezing enemies in dandori challenges means you can't bring them back after defeating them, losing you points

Small detail you missed, Ice Pikmin are the only Pikmin ever that die faster to one hazard than other Pikmin types: They die TWICE as fast to FIRE.

One thing that wasn't mentioned about purples is their earthquake attack. A lot of enemies that only certain Pikmin types with certain immunites could fight aren't a problem for them; you'd only need to throw them next to an enemy since they deal damage from the shockwave.

These Pikmin videos have been interesting to watch as a non-player just for the Blue’s arc in each game

Oatchi upgrades are so important in 4 that without any there are some Dandori challenges that are literally impossible to platinum without them.

(Mad respect for you calling Winged Pikmin "Pinks", I wish new types were still called by their colors.) This is a nice tier list video overall and serves as a great analysis of 4's game design, I learned a lot from this video (I didn't know you could cheese sprinklers, or even consider the fact that you could freeze the water in the Baldy Long Legs room in the last cave to cheese it). Those poor white Pikmin... I will argue that the inability to dismiss Glow Pikmin is a double edged sword. I had numerous occurrences where I'd spawn them in a cave and eventually encounter an enemy more suited for Rocks (or another specific type), making me want to dismiss my Glows.... but the little rascals will NOT stay put, leading to frustration and unnecessary deaths in some cases. Night mode really could use an endless mode too. I like how you brought that up.

Seeing the Bulbear at 28:56 attacking the Lumiknoll gave me PTSD of the sound that starts to play when an enemy starts attacking the Lumiknoll

You forgot to mention that ice pikmin can make you ultra spicy nectar when a frozen enemy dies

I'm not very familiar with Pikmin in general but people joked about this game never happening for so long that my initial reaction to seeing the title is that the game still doesn't exist I have begun to get interested in it, maybe I'll play the series someday...

a minor thing you missed for ice and purples, is that they are immune to bubble hazards, it's not uber common but it's something nice, with purples being too heavy and ice pikmin freezing the bubble, as for glow pikmin they also can't fall to their deaths should you miss a throw and throw one into the abyss, as they just teleport back too you (why winged Pikmin don't do this as well is unknown)

I think some things that deserved more of a mention are the three type limit and availability. One reason I believe Ice Pikmin to be the strongest regular pikmin type is how available they are. If you enter every cave, you'll almost certain always have more than your pikmin limit of ice pikmin. You can leave Sun Speckled Terrace with like 80 pikmin with no grinding. Besides that, ice pikmin are the recommended type for 5/6 areas of the game, so there's almost never any drawback to bringing them everywhere you go. Ice pikmin also auto generate spicy sprays for you which is one of the biggest reasons they're so busted. Availability is also important to bring up with caves since caves will always provide all the pikmin you need to collect every treasure iirc. This is almost always with wild pikmin too, so you don't have to worry about candypop buds generally. That's a big reason I'd like to actually propose that red pikmin are A tier. Since they now have the same attack strength as purples, you're generally not actually going to see a massive difference in performance when you're using oatchi (almost always). They'll both shred through any enemies they come across, but you can so quickly gain full parties of red pikmin in the early game, they'll probably be a more opposing force with charging and rushing. Fire is also back to the most dangerous hazard in 4, so reds also get an indirect buff there. Since items weren't mentioned, I would like to quickly mention that the bundled hay is the only obstacle that you can't circumvent with items and Oatchi combined. In general, I think purples and rocks might want to be lowered a bit. It's largely just due to the fact that carrying them above ground is generally not important since they aren't required for any treasures there, and ice pikmin make most enemies there harmless enough anyways. I'd wager that the few enemies ice pikmin won't dominate above ground are actually easily taken down by winged pikmin instead. Purples are massively useful during the final boss which I think is worth mentioning. In general, I find what makes a pikmin great in 4 is how well they work in the early game and how well they play around Oatchi in the late game. That's personally why I'd put winged and red pikmin much higher than most people.

Fun Fact: The reason Blue Pikmin are always shown suffering in Nintendo's marketing is because they have _mouths,_ which do a better job of showing sadness or fear then the Pikmin types with no mouth.

I feel that they should have Blue Pikmin act as a means to have other Pikmin be able to go underwater. Like they evolved to act as air supply to other Pikmin.

Minor point in rocks' favor: Frozen enemies take less damage from all types... except for Rocks. Rock Pikmin deal their full damage to frozen enemies. Bigger point in their favor: You don't need to charge them, they can instakill enemies when paired with Oatchi's Rush as well. This lets them hit enemies with elevated weak points, such as the cannon beetle from your example clip.

2:21 - I really like the way SilokHawk uses game clips to articulate his points.

19:32 something you forgot to mention was that purples can break crystals on enemies. I discovered this because I like going the the piklopidia and killing everything with 100 purples

It's also worth mentionning that you can charge at the front of a poison (moldy) enemy to kill it. Sometimes, a small group wont be affected by the poison before it's dead. So "moldy" enemies are even less of a threat.

4:33, I thought so too, but if you count bomb rocks, crystal walls can easily be destroyed, which invalidates rock pikmin as well :(

I watched your previous tier list yesterday, and the way Blues are only really used when the game forces you to. To make them better, either the devs go out of their way to make blues carry objects back faster through bodies of water (which can just be solved with ice pikmin, oatchi or wings) or what I thought of, a way to help in combat. My idea was literally: if Blues have webbed hands and feet from swimming so much, it could give them a stronger grip on enemies, that reduces their likeability of being shaken off. It doesn't encroach on other pikmin's skills, and gives another alternative to reds and rocks as an attack style. They'd probably need a damage nerf but hey could work

Note: At the start of the game, Oatchi has no elemental resistances.

Like how red pikmin use their sharp noses to deal extra damage, yellow pikmin use their large ears to dig faster

This is the first time I've ever heard someone mention "Raid: Shadow Legends" in a video and actually appreciated it. Hat tip.

Pikmin 4 is epic

I agree with a large majority of the list, great job 👍. My only suggestion is bumping up 4's Yellows, because of the three Pikmin type limit their usefulness in a variety of scenarios helps the fact that the aren't the best in all scenarios, so you're still likely to have them around

It feels like the Rocks and Wings swapped brains between games.

The part with the Baldy Long Leg and how you happen to have ice pikmin when it was in a puddle straight up made me have a revelation. Next playthrough, I'll do just that.

I think freezing enemies was supposed to be a downside because when an enemy shatters, it doesn't leave a corpse behind. But there's so many other ways to grow your army that sometimes I prefer that outcome - keeps the pathways clear!

You mentioned Pinks having really bad pathing, and I couldn't agree more. Sage Leaf trial 5 is the best example.

Blue Pikmin are strong in multitasking underwater, right? Maybe they should have an ability relegated to that, like them swimming a treasure to the surface at top speed before comedically dropping it and sliding it to land and moving to carry it normally again.

There's also the fact that glow pikmin grow their flowers over time rather than requiring ultra spicy spray or nectar.

7:47 SilokHawk: Dig Speed Subtitles: *DICK SPEED*

I was doing an oatchi only run of pikmin 4 (just to olimar not the post game) and the only things I couldn’t get using oatchi and player 2 was treasures on spiderwebs that you have to drag down with pikmin, metal gates you have to drag down with pikmin , bags you have to compress, and the dials on the safe. (The Crystal walls can be broken with bombs)

Putting 3's Wings in S tier was the right move. Literally beat the tropical wilds without building that bridge connected to the big chunk of land because wings are so powerful!

You, Antdude and Arlo are my pikmin youtube trifecta and you all make me so happy and giddy when you are passionate about Pikmin.

I was waiting for this video. Ken up the good work man

I've been WAITING for this ever since Pikmin 4 released I loved your other tier list Pikmin video.

Finally, a sequel to your Tier list!!! I’m glad they buffed the Purples back

Oatchi swallowing a cucumber wasnt what I was expecting from pikmin 4 not gonna lie

I pretty much completely agree with your list aside from the fact I think Purples in 4 are better than ice Pikmin as I would prefer to have them in combat with their much faster kill time at the very least I would’ve put them in low S tier

Super happy to see a follow up to this, the previous tier list is one of the best Pikmin videos imo. I'd like to share some of my opinions: Another point for Purples in 4 is the 3 type limit. It benefits them the most. Having Purples carry with the strength of 10 is more useful now than it ever was imo, as rationing your Pikmin is vital this time around. Purples feel honestly perfect this time imo. Very strong, useful and "above average" but not too OP. I feel like Rocks are also a bit too rare in 4 to be that high imo. While they are good, you get them so late in the game, and I don't believe they're even required once in the entire game (bombs rocks are very easy to farm and can be used to break crystal walls) While their combat prowess is good, again, due to the 3 type limit, I feel like Rock bois often find themselves taking the backseat in favor of Purples, which offer a lot more. While the overlap on paper isn't huge, Purples just offer much more than Rocks do directly to justify Rocks over them, or reds for that matter.. Once again, this is a product of the 3 type limit. I'd just bump them right behind 4Reds, personally. Yellow Pikmin really got the hit the hardest by Oatchi imo. While the digging speed is great, Oatchi is also a very fast digger, though I don't believe he's as fast as a decent squad of Yellows. They really should have not given Oatchi the ability to knock stuff down, that would have saved Yellows a ton, and even help Pinks. White Pikmin need their speed to get the Yellow digging effect. Give them STUPID fast speed like you said and it fixes the issues right there imo. Kind of broke my heart to see them only barely climb of the rut 3 left them in.

23:50 And it even applied in 3 since in Twilight River, the place you unlock pinks, when you have a spicy berry plant on the other side of the river, they'd take the lily pad even though they fly, like dude you have wings, use them, maybe they find it fun, IDK.

Also another fun fact about ice pikmin; is that they die to each hazard faster than any other type of pikmin! Bar ice hazards obviously

The saga is complete. I'm happy to have hopped into this channel to see it.

I'd like to note that the Crystal Walls can still be broken with bomb rocks and even the Pebble Pitcher (player 2). Oatchi also can't pull down the draw-bridge clipboard things (whatever they're called) and he can't get a few of the very specific treasures that only Winged Pikmin can reach. So technically you can complete most of the game without Pikmin using ONLY Oatchi, but there are some things he can't do (he's still 100% OP though).

Thanks for making the tier maker!

I’m a simple person. I see Oatchi, I click

Another drawback of ice pikmin is that they don't leave bodies when enemys are killed, so if you wanna get more pikmin don't use ice.

The “Raid Shadow Legends” made me LOL hahaha amazing video

Im glad you made a sequel to that one video

I feel like a good way to balance the clash of blues and ice would be to just have them be the same pikmin but by going into a ice cave or interacting with fire you could change what form they were in

If I had to make some changes to make Pikmin 4 overall a little more balanced I would: =Leave Red Pikmin as they are, I think they are fine. +I think Yellow Pikmin are also fine on their own, their main flaw is just that a lot of situations where they would be useful can be solved by using Oatchi or other Pikmin. I would make the "high" enemies be higher from the ground and have less predictable movement, such as making the Puffy Blowhog oscillate up and down, making Yellows more consistent for dealing with them. Maybe also limit what Oatchi can knock to the ground because it's unintuitive sometimes anyways. They could always make electricity more dangerous too, making it kill faster than the other "panic" hazards considering how easy it is to whistle electrocuted Pikmin since they are left completely still. +Every other Pikmin has some kind of combat utility, whereas blues are limited to "they fight good in water" which doesn't make them useful in any other situation. I think giving them some kind of universal "defensive" ability would be unique as that's something no other Pikmin really has. Maybe something like having a chance to slip out of enemy attacks due to their slickness, and maybe recovering faster after being knocked down/shaken off. Idk I'm the least confident on this one but it could be worth a shot. -Make it so Purples only do contact damage if they complete the animation of their ground pound. I think this would keep them in line with Red Pikmin and Rock Pikmin a little better, and add some emphasis on properly accounting for their lower throw arc. +Give Whites their standard damage back. I really think that's all they need, but I also think the idea of making poison more dangerous could be cool. Maybe they could make it so that Pikmin panicking from poison will then spread that poison to other Pikmin they pass by, making poison much more dangerous and hard to control. +Make it so Rock Pikmin overall do more damage when thrown. I thought in Pikmin 3 Rock Pikmin were well designed in that their throwing mechanics provided for a completely unique combat style, and it's a little less interesting imo that they are strictly charge-bots in Pikmin 4. I would also make it so rocks never can get crushed. The hard surfaces thing just feels unnecessary and inconsistent when every other type except wings (unless you count falling down holes) have a complete hazard resistance of their own. Maybe to counterbalance this they could make it so that once "crushed," Rock Pikmin have to be replucked, or make it so if they are crushed while buried THEN they will die. +Make it so Winged Pikmin have actual pathfinding. I'm not sure if the current pathfinding is an intentional nerf or just laziness due to the size of areas, but it makes them feel less useful for their main unique task. -I think it's ok for Ice Pikmin to be strong because they are the new type, are fun to use, and synergize well with other Pikmin. I would just make it so they take a tad bit longer to freeze enemies, especially larger ones. +I think due to their unique purpose Glow Pikmin are allowed to op. One thing I would change though is make it so that if you manually dismiss Glow Pikmin they won't teleport to you unless whistled. This isn't a problem in night mode, but in caves it can be annoying if you want to leave Glows behind and solo a section with another type (probably rocks) but they keep teleporting to you. I also think that Pikmin availability should be altered. You can get the primary colored onions in the very first area, and then after that you go through two areas without getting any new onions at all. I'd put the rock onion in the second area and the winged onion in the third area, and give more opportunities to naturally get wild Whites and Purples without farming. I could see how this is disagreeable, but I think Purple, Rock, and especially White and Winged Pikmin feel like after thoughts for a lot of the game. Thank you for reading my epic pikposting.

This has probably been brought up, but while Oatchi can’t get past crystal gates, bombs can, and Oatchi can use those. Meanwhile, you still need Purples to completely clear the game.

9:45 actually Blues can travel underwater while Oatchi can’t. And there are some instances of underwater travel in the game.

.. I think this is truly the first video where the creator references another of his videos, and directs the audience to a specific labeled chapter. this hasn't happened, for every single video I've watched since KZfaq added the chapters feature. anyways cool vid :)

tell me why i go back to one of your old vids and you immediately uploaded a new one 😭

I think that yellows are so good at digging now because their ears are shaped like shovels.

Fuck yeah dude, I've been waiting for this.

I also love youre vids great work

I think what you may of overlooked here is the color of Blue Pikmin in this game. Blue Pikmin in 4 are the *absolute* most *perfect* shade of blue, and therefor deserved the Spot

You're doing God's work here, playing the game 3 times over just for footage. Can't wait for your thoughts on the game proper.

The pikmin games explanation as to why yellows are the best at digging is their ears

Nice to see a follow up to the original list

The sequel I was waiting for!

I feel like you somewhat overstated oatchi’s skills, because most of the things you list take most of the game to unlock, so you won’t have all those abilities until a majority through the game.

Blue and White Pikmin: Please… we’re starving Purple: I am…. Inevitable…

29:29 The reason Pikipedia states they're resistant to getting buried is because they get sent into the state that state Rock Pikmin are in when "crushed" on soft surfaces in 4 and on all surfaces in 3, not actually turning them into a sprout that has to be plucked. They also are resistant to mud as they can swim in it freely without dying.

Oh cmon, i just want to go to sleep!!! But i NEED to watch this.....

Whites are honestly pretty good in pikmin 4 because of the fact that they have an onion. Take fifty whites to a SOVEREIGN BULBLAX and it’s dead then you can take that back to the onion and get almost all back 💀

Yellow pikmin can dig fast because they use their ears as shovels.

What if blue pikmin were to do damage based on their leaf state? They can be as powerful as reds when they are flowered, do normal as buds and weak as leaves. However they have one other perk. If they stay in any body of water long enough or get hit with a water hazard their flowers grow back automatically. This means they can still be useful on land till they get shaken off but can easily recharge by going into a body of water. Similar to how glow pikmin grow flowers over time blues just need to swim a little to get their flowers. I think the flower system works well since it doesn't replace reds entirely since being shaken off means losing power and reds maintain consitancy over blues. The main benefit is that blues can take advantage of any body of water and not worry about it as a hazard and can use shortcuts reds cant take while also not completely weakening the team when out on the dry land.

Hear me out: Blue pikmin are more useful in a way. That way is them not being required which invalidates your small key argument, because Oatchi can do everything that the blue pikmin can do, making blue pikmin more useful and efficient underwater

Honestly, I feel that they could really buff white pikmin by giving them the ability to do poison damage to enemies, making them similar to ice pikmin in the way that their base damage is low but they have an effect to make up for it. Also, maybe to call back to their digging ability from two, somehow add special underground shortcuts that only whites can take due to being able to see them with their infrared eyes or something (along with just increasing their move speed). I like the whole idea of giving pikmin unique effects to make them better rather than just increasing their stats, so wanted to just state some random ideas.

My take on Pinks in Pikmin 4 is that the new designs and layouts of the overworld make them a LOT less useful, but they're still king in caves at least. Even outside of caves with bottomless pits, lots of caves have elevations up and down so they really shine in the more traditional Pikmin environments, as opposed to Pikmin 4's unique surface layouts.

5:31 whats funny about that flarlic is theres a specific angle you can use to just barely throw reds up there so even here yellows arent needed lol

Changes i would make to every pikmin type Red Pikmin: - Should be able to latch on to enemies more effectively, (I.e. an enemy will have to shake them more than once to get them off) this will separate them from rocks and purples Yellows Pikmin: - should be able to be thrown further as well as higher. - They should also be able to destroy walls faster in addition to their higher digging speed -should once again be the only type to carry bomb rocks Blue Pikmin: - Silokhawk's idea i guess Purples Pikmin: - should regain all of their abilities from pikmin 2, - will be thrown MUCH slower (I.e you cant spam throw them), this way you cant stun lock enemies and will separate them from rocks -can only be obtained from candy pop buds, and 5 pikmin thrown in will only grant one purple White Pikmin: - When they die through non-eating ways they will create a cloud of poison that damages nearby enemies, and will do less damage than when directly eaten -be given normal attack damage - when thrown onto enemies they will attack normal, but when idle further away from the enemy they will spit at the enemy, this will do half the DPS as when directly thrown at them Rock Pikmin: fine the way they are Winged Pikmin: - should get their old pikmin 3 ai back -carry weight would be reduced to 1/2 Ice Pikmin: - When attacking an enemy they wont freeze it, but will instead slow it down. Enemies will only be frozen solid when they eat them Glow pikmin/bulbmin: - Will NOT be able to carry items -will have .5 attack damage Oatchi: - HES TOO DANGROUS TO BE LEFT ALIVE

something ive noticed about rock pikmin is that they immediately bring down spicy berries on plants. They did this in 3 as well, but now they also bring them down immediately when attaching to a plant. Its not that useful in the grand scheme of things, considering how easy it is to get potions in this game without farming berry plants, but its interesting to me.

There is also a neat trick with rocks that you can deal massive burst damage by having them ride oatachi and him ramming into an opponent

So some slight corrections regarding cold environments, when Pikmin shiver you don't need to whistle them, they'll simply return to idle after a few seconds, which mostly is just a distinction since it means they can still carry non-pile objects, it just takes longer since they'll stop every now and then to shiver, then go idle and promptly return to carrying due to proximity. Also, you don't need Oatchi to prevent shivering, though he is the most convenient/efficient method, as having a red carry a fire starter will also prevent shivering, which I believe extends to all Pikmin in your current squad, though I haven't tested it.

Can’t wait for the pikmin 5 tier list in 2033

ALRIGHT NOW WE NEED YOU TO MAKE ONE INCLUDING ENEMIES

One thing about ice pikmin. Freezing an enemy risks shattering it upon death, meaning no more pikmin can be sprouted from the body. It is a minor setback but can definitly come into play

I actually edited the glow pikmin page, glow pikmin are immune to getting buried but it’s just like if a rock pikmin gets crushed

Another cool thing I found out about ice pikmin while playing the game...ice pikmin can freeze bubbles from bubble geysers, making them a joke to deal with

Imagine the squad with 2's purples, 4's glows, 2's bulbmin, 3's winged, 4's ices, 2's yellows, 3's rocks, 1's reds, and 1's blues

I swear to God if I get recommended one more video ranking all the Pikmin types I am going to lose my mind! Like, how many people are going to make this exact same video!?

YES HES BACK

16:37 "You guys feel something?" "No" "Must've been the wind"

Yknow, I think the lifesaving feature was removed because unlike in pikmin 1 (I haven't played 2 yet) water is much deeper, as opposed to pikmin 1's more shallow water that gives blues the range to lifesave

I didn't notice this but Apparently the glow Pikmin deal 0.5x I don't know if that is true or not considering how I overwhelm the enemies with the glow mob ability. Pinks did get a significant down grade it's just like purples transitioning from 2-3. Also glow Pikmin I have to say are probably better than 2's purples Considering I notice 2's purples down sides but I don't notice glow Pikmin's down sides also I feel that to buff blues they should Imply that they are made of water and make them Immune to explosions or something.