We dont talk about the Barbary Slave trade where 1 million White Europeans were kept as slaves by Muslims. Which happened at the same time as the Atlantic Slave Trade We don't talk about that Britain was the first to outlaw slavery and the biggest culprits of slavery was Portugal and Spain who took them to their colonies in South America. We don't talk about that it was African chiefs who sold their people into slavery.

Big up Simon👊well said!👌 fed up with being accused of being racist just because I’m white!!😤🤷‍♂️

Leroy rambling on over absolutely nothing whilst Simon calling it for what it is

Leroy talking about people being "educated"😂

I was not aware of the debate over these badges until I stumbled upon this discussion. What on earth is going on?!! I have been a victim of racism and there is no place for it in modern society. I have also lived in a number of countries around the world for many years and every single one has a problem with racism. With absolutely zero doubt at all, the United Kingdom is by far the least racist country I have ever lived in. If the emphasis is now being focused on some emblems on football club badges I would venture to suggest that you might want to refocus your energies. There are far more important issues in society today, even problems (dare I say it) not related to racism.

i am from the Mersey coast, Eastham, the start of the manchester Ship canal. The tradw from Liverpool to the Americas was the primary trading route of this country for many years and the Industry of the working classes in the Northwest of England saw the goods going out of Liverpool and other goods coming back in. Manchester could bypass Liverpool by using the canal. Slavery was not the major element. Our maritime history is important and these images should not be removed just to placate people who are obsessed with the issue of slavery.

Leroy talks about moving forward and yet continuously drags us back to Slavery that happened 200-400 years ago. Lets move on eh...

Poor old Leroy desperately trying to pretend this is Mississippi 1960's and he no doubt sees racism in his cornflakes !

Abolition of Slavery in UK 1807 - Slaves freed 1838 - Manchester Ship Canal Construction Began 1887 - Completed 1894

Slavery ended in England in 1833 the ship canal wasn't started until 1887 an d was dug by navies and opened in 1894

Can we have someone sensible on here please instead of Leroy trying to anatagonise.

Thank you for speaking sense Simon. And Simon is 100% correct. We are constantly told we have white privilege just because we're white. Where's the privilege to poor white families on housing estates the length and breadth of the UK, Dependant on food banks, and hand outs to keep the electricity on to warm the house. And btw, just because we are white, we can still have an opinion on historical facts. Us British ended slavery.

How can you move forward if continue to through up 100years in past leroy 🤮

Welldone simon

These people need help! Manchester has a geographic location that is close to the River Mersey, and a canal was built to get the ships up to Manchester. So ships symbolise Manchesters industrial success.

Simon speaking common sense thankfully, can we not move on in life

It’s a coloured person gagging to make racism an issue this is completely draining listening to this stuff. Simon correct as always. Don’t know why they are making an issue of it when Trevor Sinclair is employed by the station which is a way more bigger point as been through the courts but we’re not allowed to raise that

The Manchester ship canal was not about bringing cotton to Manchester,it was about bypassing Liverpool port authorities who had a stranglehold on import duties.

Why is this on Talksport?

The irish built the ship canal, and done a bloody good job.

‘Those who are determined to be ‘offended’ will discover a provocation somewhere. We cannot possibly adjust enough to please these fanatics and it is degrading to make the attempt.’

That was a very hard listen, Leroy spoiled that with the whole faux calm guy talking sense act, he didn't make one valid point

Well said Simon 👏

Sensible discussion that’s what you’re not having Leroy

Why are we listening to foreigners whinging about how hard done to they are?

Take the Man out of Manchester too, where will this stop, can we go back to what the Roman Empire did to us British, that’s been forgotten?

How can we forget about all the racism when a certain ethnic people won't let us and keep bringing it up again and again and again and again even in places where it OBVIOUSLY doesn't exist

What the hell have I just listened to?

I would have thought the ships symbolised the ship canal and its impact on the area. Who said the ships represent slavery. Arsenal ? Is the cannon representative of Empire?

This whole wokery agenda will end in tears mark my words 😮.

The ships on City and United’s badges was taken from the Manchester Coat of Arms, which was created in 1847, 40 years after the King signed the Slavery Emancipation.. and 60 years after Manchester boycotted the slave trade. To suggest the ship has any link to slavery is absurd.

Tiring

This is why you don't listen to talk sport for a history lesson. Painfully cringe and ridiculous

I can't agree with Simon less - "we can't use the past to weaponize the present"!

This is such a tiresome and corrosive subject, which is doing immeasurable harm and damage to society. But then the perpetrators want that, don’t they?

As someone who studies History, i fully agree with Simon on this issue 100% but this debate shouldn’t be on a sports radio. Politics should be separated from football unless football clubs have historically been linked to sectarianism as it forms a part of their identity like Celtic and Rangers. Keep Marxism out of football

Am a united fan and to me its only a ship on the badge .....its not a slave ship a war ship its just a ship .....wise up

Lord Jordan spitting straight facts again 🔥

its nothing to do with slavery..manchester is a docking city, the boats reflect this

Come on Leroy brother!! Simon is correct. It will be used in a negative way in these times of people being offended over virtually everything.

Racism and slavery through a badge, is ridiculously trivializing the reality. There is no racism in slavery, all races have been slaves. It was never ending and will never end

These people shouldn't even be given air time your doing the governments job mate divide and conquer

The ships on the badges have NOTHING to do with the slave trade. They're there to represent the Manchester Ship Canal. Good grief.

The Prism of colour is all to prevalent these days. 90% of the UK population is White but the positive discrimination that is now adopted by all media including talksport is insane. Add it to the gender equality discrimination you have sky sports programs hosted by 2 black men, a women and if they can possibly achieve it a black lesbian. totally non representative of the colour and gender of 90% of the audience. the upshot of it is that half the commentators or hosts are chosen under this rationality and the standards of language and commentary skills have unfortunately plummeted. Leroy is arguing that these boats may or may not have been a reference to slavery back 200 years ago, well its hardly the boats fault (or are we at that stage where we can blame objects for historical failings) dont tell me Leroy has issue with boats!??! Manchester has a rich history going back a 1000 years as a port. So lets all address real racism, stop creating it where it doesnt exist. Or I will b e insisting on some Asian's on the screen !!

No black person will ever tell me about white privileges. Has a white working class man from West Belfast I know only to well to be treated as a second class citizen in my OWN country!!

Leroy live in the present.

Both the ships on the united and city badges represent the manchester ship canal , the ship signifies every ship that sailed past Liverpool and went to Manchester, the Manchester ship canal was built 60 years after slavery was ended in Britain and its empire wokeness gone mad , the ship represents free trade.and is a sly dig at Liverpool too 😀

This show is called talk sport not political talk show

the ship on the man utd badge is of a clipper which the ship was used for transporting tea from the likes of india nothing to do with the slave trade

The Irish don't go around with a chip on their shoulders about being taken from their country as indentured slaves before ever a black person was. Loose the chip or brick on both shoulders Leroy.

Always funny when someone either prevents someone from talking or screams in a debate, always a sign how thin their argument is.

Worlds gone mad mate 😂😂😂😂😂😂.. Ban all pictures of ships from everywhere 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Will Leroy’s son be paying himself reparations?

Victim mentality looking for handouts. The Offended generation

Leroy is the most disingenuous person I have heard in a while. He claimed he didn't want this taken to where Simon knew he did. Leroy never said where we all know he wants to take it. Kept playing the victim! weak person!

This is absolutely ridiculous!!! I don’t care about the badges. They represent the clubs nothing else. Who keep digging into the past to cause issues. Let’s be honest who ever linked club badges with racism until someone decided to try and get their 5mins of fame.

This discussion is barmy.

It is true and people do get told that especially white men

Spot on Simon!!!

woke nonsense 100%

Well said Simon leroy if the badges were going to be changed you would be the front runner in the campaign and you know it get a grip.

Is Leroy as passionate about the Barbary slave trade ? Where over 1 million white Europeans were taken as slaves by North Africans, at exactly the same time period as the slave trade he is referencing. For the record as well there were no slaves brought to the U.K. 99% of black British people are the descendants of people that came to the U.K. under their own free will and for a better life since the 1940s.

If its about education, then education should be based on fact and not speculation

This country is now to woke

Well said leroy education

The Caribbean was run by Europeans during those days....

The British did not lead the abolition of slavery neither were they genuine about its abolition it was the Haitians who defeated them. British lost over 50 000 men attempting to reintroduce slavery on the island. The British could no longer afford slave trade because Haiti independence was emphatic.

Simon spot on. Common sense instead of nonsense.

I thought it represented the ship canal

History is history here, whether we are proud of our history, or ashamed of our historical origins, nevertheless, they are our history's origins, if we start dubbing out history to appease a certain group is bordering on censorship, rubbing out history because it offends someone, has anyone ever just considered a SIGN, yes that's right a lowly inexpensive sign, like at the beginning of an old Movie, or at the foot of a statue that says " this statue was, at the time depicted, and at the time of casting, done in and depicts a time of outdated views and opinions" or this film was filmed in a time and depicts a time of outdated views and opinions" end of story, or we risk censorship, history is supposed to show how far we have moved on from a shameful period in our past, not rub it out completely, a sign can be both informative and compassionate towards a situation that means we do not need to dub movie soundtracks or remove statues, they are all part of history, and shameful or not, is still history, and a sign solves both of these situations in my view, or is a sign more expensive than its meaning to put one up to explain why it's there.

i was always told that the ships on the badges was to the manchester ship canal

Bonkers. May be those same ships will cause us to remember the historical but not politically correct fact, that the Barbary Pirates captured enslaved and shipped 1m Europeans (including Brits and Irish) to North Africa.

a "positive outcome" in what way? Meddling with anything that can be tagged to slavery leaves everything open to change for the sake of activists who will never stop.

Leroy manchester united got knocked out of the europa league last night an guess what ? there coming back home on a ship. 😂😂😂😂

It’s about the three rivers and the Manchester ship canal and the bee which is used on the three rivers the Irvine medlock etc and the Manchester bee symbol comes from the three rivers and the ship canal nothing to do with slave trade what do ever do you research on Manchester history

Where does the Manchester bee come from ??? It comes from the three rivers medlock etc and the ship canal bee signs close to every one’s heart in Manchester history where the Manchester badges come from City and United

The ships are there to represent Manchester which became a port with the construction of the ship canal in the 1890's this was nearly a century after the ending of the slave trade so the link is non existent.

What about pubs called the ship with a sign ?

A lot of you know why you agree with SJ

A non-news story. airtime for BLM Leroy. Get back to positive sports debate ffs.

Plenty of people are held responsible for things they have done in the past.

Sunderland have a ship on their badge, its signifies sunderlands ship building history, should that be removed?, utter nonsense fron leroy, well done simon, the past has gone thankfully, move on leroy

Shall we hate the Italians for what Romans did, should we hate all Germans for WW2?? Its the past, we will never move forward if we keep dragging it up. To me Leroy has got a problem with HIMSELF but is projecting it onto others and playing the victim card. Its just so boring

Educating people to make better decisions..... What like get rid of slavery? That's already happend. We cant change the past but we can change the future, we don't need to be told daily that all people are equal, that point has been made and alot of people including myself always treated different races as equal.

This isn't a real phone call.

Manchester... keep the badge

I believe a flag, bagde or any other symbol should be a unifying one not a divisive one especially if it claims to be inclusive.

Leroy lost within the first minute.

people like kick racism out of football need to find racism wherever they look because otherwise they will be out of a job.

SJ was a clown in this interview.

Liverpool / Everton leave the conversation...

Would love a face to face with Leroy

I will never move past racism and slavery the things that were done you don't just move past and as we all know racism still exists today so that kind of makes it hard to move on from and yes money should be paid out to everyone of african descent up to a point just like the Jews it's a start at least.

Only time ive listened to Simon Jordan and agreed with him strange feeling

I've heard it all now

I'm not interested in talking about badges and symbols. what I am interested in is discussions on how companies and aristocratic families (Barclays, lloyds tsb, MP for South Dorset Richard Drax's family) can trace their wealth to the slave trade. banks financed it and families profited from it. and not just companies in the west, but also the Ashanti king's family profited from it too. everything else are just distractions

About the only time I agree with Simon .. slavery is all colours & nationality's 71% of modern slavery is made up of women & girls, 50million slaves in total according to records of 2022.we can assume that these are not all black people, we've moved on a tad from the 17th/18th century. One life live it, respect people & be nice to people where you can.. there's wars happening right now and we concern our lives with what's on badges, get a grip... Big up SA PETE well said 😍

This is a black guy who’s finally done some reading on his ancestors so is thinking and speaking emotionally. To even talk About this is FKD up. Slavery isn’t the history of black people. It’s a horrible part of History.

We can debate on this, Leroy HASN’T mentioned about changing anything. Can we have a discussion and agree that history can be learned from it? F*** sake it’s a symbol, of course someone might want to know of it and it’s meaning of asked, smh!

And what if we don't want to be educated, what is we want to move on from all this ballix