I believe it's an IT average salary, if you are working intensively in IT specialised field which is not that dominant like blockchain, AI and so on. 160K/annum as I have should be achievable. Tho my taxes hurt even more :P

Does language play a factor when experience is 5+ years? I don't speak fluent German yet but I'm a senior project manager on the average pay. How much could I potentially negotiate on my salary with fluent German?

What the gross salary of dentist and specialist dentist in Germany plz make a video on that or atleast reply

Please dont come to Germany if you are a single man🐞, No room for rent, No girl friend and no friend. Just work hard abd Die hard......

@@janesmy6267yes more or less, unless if you’re in IT

Lol. There's also marrying rich.

starting your own business

Well if you can discover room temperature superconductor on your own

Or millions in km when driving a taxi😂

Or working in Vietnam 🇻🇳

They won’t provide money for the course…it’s not German culture to pay for employee development

@@chikondibanda5897 culture eats strategy for breakfast, then nothing else is left for dinner. Times have changed. We either adapt, or lag behind. I think lagging behind is also not in the German culture. Question is, which cultural trait will prevail here? NOTE: it is also not a rule, there are German companies who pay for German lessons for their employees. Problem is, the courses are very, very inefficient, take a long time to really make the employees have a decent command over the language. I do not know why this is the case, but I guess the companies that offer the courses are not interested in teaching German in the crash-course fashion, the longer their students take to progress, the better it is for their business - that is a conflict of interest.

The reason why foreigners do not learn German is, that too many Germans speak English. When I started working in France and asked a question in English, the answer came in French. After half a year i could speak french decently, after a year they sent me to the of course french speaking customer. So if you prefer the german job market and social system, accept that it's Germany and not Britain or the US and learn German. It's simple as that.

Achieving a conversational level in English is easier than in German. One could argue this from a Linguistics point of view (in a minute, mathematically rigorous manner even). If we now consider the cold harsh aspects of social dynamics, we can also argue that those who will be more flexible are usually the ones who need something more from the other party. It used to be the case that foreigners came to a country like Germany in dire need of money, and they would not only do their best to learn German, but they would work to their best abilities, compete with the locals and accept lower wages. Nowadays, due to the labor shortage, Germany may be faced with a different reality: does it have enough bargaining power to afford to reject workers just because they do not speak good enough German? I know it is sad and this can, on the long run, endanger the existence of the German language, but this is what happens anyway to most languages throughout history. Look at the Latin language. It gradually died out and mostly peacefully.

@@tcioaca true that English is easier than German, but anyways they are close relatives. If an employee, for convenience says, let's stay with English and not learn the language of the local country, as an employer I would ask myself if the employee otherwise is motivated to go an extra mile? I have some colleagues from Maroc and Tunesia who perfectly speak German now and they are super motivated. Also they feel more "at home" in Germany as they have friends outside of work, in sports clubs etc. where the usual language is of course German. I don't want to speak English in my time off work either. Same, when I was is France, way easier to socialize with the locals in their mother's tongue, even if it's not perfect in the beginning, people will worship the effort. Of course you can stay in your English bubble if you like. And by the way, latin is not gone, it morphed into Italian. German will morphe too, but not disappear.

Its not possible tbh. I did a PhD in physics and currently looking for a job in data science. Universities can't compete with private companies, it doesn't make sense since the work which a scientist do is not profitable in a shorter time. Most of the phds and postdocs publish papers which are read by other academics and its goes on forever. Less than 5% of people stay in academia since there are not enough positions .

Why respect? If they want the degree they should pay the price for it.

I stayed in academia after my PhD as a manager in a group developing scientific software. After a market research I see that in this position I earn more or the same compared to most project managers in IT in Germany. So, I do search for my next job in industry, but rather relaxed, cause I'm not eager to take absolutely any proposal on the market, I'm doing just fine)). You see, the proper scale for comparison is a key. Software engineers do earn more than me. Project managers - not always. If I should trust these girls data on UX designers - than I'm doing better than an average one. So, what kind of "IT" are we talking about? As my colleague just mentioned here earlier, it's not so easy to stay in academia exactly as a researcher. If you got some strong transferable skills while working on your thesis, such as programming or product/project management, you can find some jobs rather easily and can even be officially employed as a "researcher", but not let this name fool you: yes, one needs to have a deep knowledge of the research field and its needs in order to support real researchers with software and hardware infrastructure, networking and brining money. These are all quite necessary actions. But they are not an actual research. Getting a position in research exactly is more and more difficult with each degree you're getting, cause the system is built like a pyramid. On the top of the chain are professors, but I'd not like to become one, cause they work a 60+ hours week on average, and have almost no work life balance at all. They are paid rather nice, but the requirements, work conditions and responsibilities are just crazy, so it's not only a difficult position to get, it's also an extremely difficult position to be in.

I stayed in academia after my PhD as a manager in a group developing scientific software. After a market research I see that in this position I earn more or the same compared to most project managers in IT in Germany. So, I do search for my next job in industry, but rather relaxed, cause I'm not eager to take absolutely any proposal on the market, I'm doing just fine)). You see, the proper scale for comparison is a key. Software engineers do earn more than me. Project managers - not always. If I should trust these girls' data on UX designers - when I'm doing better than an average one. As my colleague just mentioned here earlier, it's not so easy to stay in academia exactly as a researcher. If you got some strong transferable skills while working on your thesis, such as programming or product/project management, you can find some jobs rather easily and can even be officially employed as a "researcher", but not let this name fool you: yes, one needs to have a deep knowledge of the research field and its needs in order to support real researchers with software and hardware infrastructure, networking and brining money. These are all quite necessary actions. But they are not an actual research. Getting a position in research exactly is more and more difficult with each degree you're getting, cause the system is built like a pyramid. On the top of the chain are professors, but I'd not like to become one, cause they work a 60+ hours week on average, and have almost no work life balance at all. They are paid rather nice, but the requirements, work conditions and responsibilities are just crazy, so it's not only a difficult position to get, it's also an extremely difficult position to be in.

Thanks a lot for your feedback, much appreciated 😊 We just added the median numbers for the top 3 industries in a pinned comment.

Was looking for this comment. Was not disappointed😂👍👍👍

It’s in the works ☺️ thanks for your your suggestion!

Wow one comment sumarizes the German system

​@@Micha-bp5om yes and all germans are the same 😂

Thanks a lot for your feedback, much appreciated 😊 We just added the median numbers for the top 3 industries in a pinned comment.

Great! 😆 You two are the BEST.@@simplegermany

Not surprising at all, considering academic jobs are either public sector jobs, or aligned to public sector salaries in Germany, and the extreme competitiveness of the academic job market. :)

@@dromedari Exactly that

Where is Business there is the pay.. Simple equation.

This is true on top, depending on the subject students were getting 'partial positions'. In many areas a PhD Student gets 1/2 or 2/3 of a FTE position. But for IT related subjects Uni-Freiburg was giving 1-FTE per PhD. I knew of PhD students which were paid as 'Hilfskraft" which was a bit lower than 1/2 FTE position (at least the first year or so, then they would. be paid 50% of BAT IIa around the years 2000). I knew 1 PhD student in Germanistic from a different University who had 100% of a FTE but had to teach a lot wrt to other.

Thanks so much for sharing your insights! 😊

In reality research institute vs. University as employer is only one factor that plays into this. The salary is usually TVÖD or TVL level 13. After some 5 years (close to finishing hopefzlly) or so at 100% you would reach that 65k. What fluctuates is how how much percent of this you get paid. Mostly, it depends on whether there is money available, or maybe there are institute-wide lower bounds as policies. In reality you are are often working full time though, either by beeing guilt-tripped by your professor, your own ambition or because of a weird clause in your contract. PhD students in engineering or computer science can easily get a 100% position, because there is a shortage, as these people can easily find work in industry if the salary was too bad. On the other end of the spectrum are humanities students, who are being gaslit into working on their dissertation in their free time, while having a 50% position or stipend. Biologists also have it pretty bad, because there are many of them and a PhD is often needed for entering industry.

Typically financial service providers such as Wise offer way better rates to transfer money than traditional banks. ETFs and Stocks is a different ball game and you should talk to your current brokerage what makes most sense. We hope your planning and moving will go smoothly 😊

das ist der Grund warum DEU hat einen riesen Fachkräftemangel auch im Handwerk! für solche niedrige Löhne hier in DEU haben weniger Leute Boch auf die Arbeit ! Aber sehr gut für den USA!

Thank you for paying for all the HARZ4 people and Refugees x)

@@sierraecho884hahaha!

Thanks for sharing 😊

Is that so ? Alright, when was the last time you compared our education system or retirement system or healthcare system ? Are you aware that 70% of all taxes are used for walfare ? With the 19% VAT tax all those institutions and even the military can be payed, the rest goes for refugees and other nonsense. I suggest you calculate the difference yourself or look it up online. Infrastructure is not even 2%.@geranienbaum

Could you please specify, what exactly in IT you and your wife do?

We have a video about it here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oKmYfK6c2rWtd2w.html

It's less about the hard skills and more related to your negotiation skills. You also need to change the company every 2 years to get a better raise. Speaking german is very important in big companies. Prepare a really good CV and your introduction.

We have that much pf automotive Industry in germany it brings so much more development and money than IT and Software. Germany is really good in Supply chain Management and producing physical products but not really good with Software 😅

well you pay for it also haha

Thanks for sharing! German salaries are indeed not comparable to the US. Would you mind sharing a bit more about your story and motivation to move to Germany?

i'm making 135k excluding bonuses as a cloud engineer in Germany (in the media sector) and I would love to hear your motivation to move to Germany as an IT specialist. I mean, the salaries in the US are way higher, so you can easily effort a great quality of life over there?

@@maddinek Absolutely, I appreciate your perspective and the chance to share my motivation for wanting to move to Germany as an IT specialist. While it's true that salaries in the US tend to be higher, my reasons for considering a move go beyond just financial aspects. First and foremost, I have a deep love for traveling and experiencing different cultures. Germany's rich history, picturesque landscapes, and vibrant cities have always captivated me. Living and working there would provide me with the opportunity to immerse myself in the local way of life, learn about the traditions, and develop a deeper understanding of the world. Furthermore, the idea of giving my children the gift of bilingualism is a driving factor for this decision. I firmly believe that learning a second language early in life has immense cognitive and cultural benefits. By being fluent in German, my children would not only have access to a broader range of opportunities but also be able to communicate and connect with a diverse global community. When it comes to higher education, the prospect of my children attending university in Germany is particularly appealing. The country boasts a reputation for excellent education, and the cost savings compared to the US can't be ignored. With their fluency in German, they would have the chance to pursue top-notch education without the burden of hefty student loans. This would also provide them with a unique chance to experience a different education system and broaden their horizons. Of course, while my family and I would be in Germany, we would ensure that our ties to the US remain strong. This move would be about embracing new opportunities and experiences while also maintaining a connection to our roots. In essence, my motivation is driven by a blend of personal enrichment, family considerations, and a desire to provide my children with an advantage that will benefit them throughout their lives. While salary is certainly a factor to consider, the holistic benefits of living in Germany and the opportunities it presents make it an exciting prospect for us.

wow, 143k is really a lot. Congrats. what's your experience like?

It´s not the salary it´s tax + social security deduction.

@@sierraecho884 That's equivalent to generally low net salary in the country.

What do you mean by that ?@@JgvnkhgbbKhrfhutfhk

But to just look at the salery, without a view on the living costs or benefits is just stupid. What is correct is, Germany is not a hop-on, hop-off state, everything is kind of designed for eternity (the tomb).

@@holger_p So please do so, compare those numbers with the US for example and you will notice that Germans have it far worse. Or compare it with Australia, Switzerland etc. Just don´t compare those numbers with Afghanistan or african countries, and you will notice pretty soon how Germany compared with it´s peers is pretty poor.

Exactly... I earn around 105k as a backend software engineer consultant and was shocked to find out that my German colleague, same master degree working at another company but same project just earned 55k. 😮

@@Micha-bp5om if it's in another country, you have to compare cost of living, not gros income. But generally germans don't like hire& fire. They never quit a job in fear it could ger worse.

@@holger_pwe both worked in the same office in Germany on the same project and he was earning half of what I earn 😅 I didnt tell him my salary, just told him it is really low, he quit after some months and now earns around 70k, still much less than me

German companies had a secret terms and conditions, which state that an employer must not speak about his salary to anyone, but that is a pure psychology robbery. 👌

Indeed, another interesting topic! Thanks for the suggestion! 😊

There essentially isn't a real difference. Having 13 payments means you earn a little bit less each month but get an additional salary (usually in december). I guess it is mostly a psychological thing to attract skilled employees. The additional payment might also be a bonus or tied to some goals set at the beginning of the year. If you rech the goal, you get the additional salary. That's how it worked in my company a few years ago... Until we got fed up with it, since it essentially meant doing extra work in our spare time to meet the goal. Now, it's just a plain extra salary in december. Many insurance fees (e.g. insurance against fire for home owners) are due in January for a lot of people because of these extra salaries. That means you don't have to save during the year to pay these rather high bills.

Stepstone, glassdoor are a good start or communities for such fields of work.

Thanks a lot, I will do explore them :D@@simplegermany

Where does she work hospital or private practice?

120K ?? which specialty ?

@@victorychillchineke824 she is an ophthalmologist , children's ophthalmologist and ophthalmological surgeon. By junior, I don't mean years of experience, she has around 15 years, I mean that she has to pass one more state exam, but she is basically practicing as Facharzt and I'm sorry about the terminology. Her salary really increased over the five years she's been there.

@@UpendraVishwas private practice in a small rural area

What is your net income ? You are probably poor by US standards.

That depends on your lifestyle. Please go ahead and watch our latest cost of living video to get a better feeling for whether that salary is good for you 😊

if you are planning to have children, I can tell you that 73K in Münich is not enough.

All numbers are based on our survey and healthcare was not an industry that was represented strongly.

I am almost done with my MSc in robotics and am researching my options, so this information is great! Thanks for sharing!

right on point

We’re saying the amount written in the contract. So the base salary.

What position do you have? My husband work in a Data Center as Senior Data Center Engineer but he only earns around 56k/yr in Frankfurt which is behind i think

@@JEJUinDE I was hired as a data scientist with special focus in pricing. I have 3 years of experience. Is the cost of living in Frankfurt similar to Munich?

@@zskater1234 I believe Munich is a little bit expensive. He has colleagues who work in Network and Manage departments also Sales are earning around 100-120k €.

Hey, I live in Germany, Have you thought of finding appartments outside of Munich? or can you also work remotely as well? Actually, I think it is not that expensive if you search outside of Munich and also we have a deutschland ticket as well which only costs 49 euros per month, unless you want to have good city life like in Munich😅.

I'm not going to Munich for that salary, you will get rip of with cost of living, you will see.

We have a whole playlist about finding jobs in Germany, which you can check out here kzfaq.info/sun/PLnp3hGZLHcOWdFqddbduUQMC_y_CbP2QV&si=5akwKOz892f2GF_C

Thanks for sharing and we are so happy to hear that you are enjoying your life in Germany! 😊 Would you mind sharing a bit more of your story with us? What brought you to Germany? How has our content been helping you? You can always send us a private message at www.simplegermany.com/contact/ We highly appreciate your feedback!

@@simplegermany Sure, happy to share, will write to you on the form!

Thanks for your comment. Please, since you are working in pharma industry, do you know the salary of Principal Research Scientist in Pharma research industry?

“ common” But you have a MBA too that has cost you $$$. Not doubting you but unless one has a mba as well, salaried won’t be this high.

@@Northwindbreeze not if you studied MBA in Germany where education is almost free, or in India (like we have) where it is comparitively inexpensive. And yes, for higher salaries, you do need higher qualifications.(either education or equivalent workex)

You got your rise?

The annual salary is usually expressed in gross. According to statistics, single people in Germany pay an average of about 47.8% and a married couple with children about 40.8%. According to another source you pay about 33.8% taxes for a 100,000€ salary.

That is incorrect. As a single person earning 100K gross salary, you will pay approx 32% in taxes plus social contributions. You will have approx 57K net in your bank account. You can do those calculations via a calculator as we mention in the video: www.arbeitnow.com/tools/salary-calculator/germany.

@@simplegermany Okay, thanks! Learned something again. I'm really a layman in this area. )))

I have a experience in I.T Sales can you please tell me which companies pay more?

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting - do they give you more specifics on what exactly your previous experience is not bringing in value excatly?

@simplegermany Because it was in my home country ( Brazil), so in another market. Companies said I should have a German, or at least european experience in Sales. For example : regarding a senior position , if another candidate has 5 years of experience, but it is in Germany, I lost this job even having 10 years experience. I studied German thinking that only the language will be enough, and know I am facing this barrier. So I had to apply to junior positions, but a lot of tem said I am overqualified, and the senior ones I am not hired cause of the German Experience😥

You can consult pages like Glassdoor and stepstone to get more insights for your industry.

@@simplegermany Thank you for replying Can I ask the composition of the annual gross income from a local common sense in Germany? Should it be understood as the salary part only or should the other bonus, allowances, or any other benefits included as well?

and higher costs of living.

higher cost of living in Germany / US?@@lina6325

Nope, we didn’t ask for gender nor nationality.

@@simplegermany ok thanks. I appreciate how distracting it could have been. Love your channel. Hope to be in Germany next spring riding my bike. Lived in the Schwarzwald for 4 years previously. Germany is such a beautiful country.

There is a lot of software development in the automotive industry - think infotainment and all the supporting services for car owners. As a Scrum Master who has worked at one of the large auto makers, the role and core responsibilities don't really differ between automotive vs. other industries.

Well talk :) Spill the beans! Don't keep us in the dark.

It's not work ,it's slavery.

Thanks so much for sharing your insights! 😊

Not at all! Thanks for sharing ☺️

The survey was done with our community with nationalities spreading across the world, including some Germans but mostly internationals.

We added the median numbers in the pinned comments.

There are IT roles in any industry. The industry is defined by the employer. 😊

I say you got tricked.

As a UX designer with 12 years of experience you got tricked a lot. But you do get an average UX designer salary in Germany, that being said someone with 3-4 years of experience is expected to get 45-60K, this ofcourse depends on the company and area in Gemrany. Someone with your expertise should be getting a minimum of 70k. I am an Estonian living in Germany so keep in mind when you get 50K in Estonia ( I know its less than you get in Germany) you will still get more money after tax in Estonia because of the tax difference. But due to the inflation prices in Estonia have gone up quite a lot but someone with your expertise can live comfy there if you get a good IT job.

It's NRW. Too much competition, not many jobs