Simpsons Logical Fallacies: Post Hoc Fallacy

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Open captions change to closed captions during second half of video. Use of copyrighted content is protected by fair use which says that copyrighted content can be used so long as commentary is given. Definitions of logical fallacies come from Practical Argument by Laurie G. Kirszner and Stephen R. Mandell.

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@ColburnClassroom 2 жыл бұрын

Playlist: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNR9oLuFu7XOco0.html

@mkultra2456 6 ай бұрын

Your narration is gay.

@Lv-nq9qz 5 ай бұрын

I love how Lisa tries to brush Homer off when he tries to buy her rock, but then she shrugs and takes the money

@tonyj9743 6 ай бұрын

And this episode is why I could define the word specious at 5 years old. Also there was a Ducktales episode that fully teaches how hyperinflation can happen. Cartoons were educational as hell back in the day.

@mattb6522 6 ай бұрын

Oh, yeah. I think I remember that. Didn't Huey, Dewey and Louie like duplicate money which in turn crashed the economy of Duckburg? Also, there was one where they traveled to an ancient, isolated land that didn't have money, but they considered bottle caps valuable. Bottle caps became so valuable that they eventually became the new currency or something. I don't recall the whole episode.

@justusP9101 6 ай бұрын

@@mattb6522that was originally a comic

@cvhashim 5 ай бұрын

Bro is watching the simpsons as a 5 year old

@tonyj9743 5 ай бұрын

@@cvhashim Godamned right I was. Every Thursday at 8.

@anubis8586 5 ай бұрын

@@cvhashima lot of people did

@JohnSmith-gd2fg Жыл бұрын

Scary how many times you see, in politics, the media (and very much social media), fallacies used to push a certain viewpoint.

@alphagt62 5 ай бұрын

Logical fallacies should be taught in school. Of course they don’t want the public to see the way they manipulate them. But when my daughter was in high school I gave her a book called “The Seven Fallacies of Debate “. I think that’s the correct title, it’s an eye opening read, I wish I had read it in high school. I see them used on the news every day

@zornslemon 5 ай бұрын

@@alphagt62I can’t find a book by that title. Can you verify the name of the book? I’d be interested in a good read on this topic.

@alphagt62 5 ай бұрын

@@zornslemon I’ll see what I can find, it’s been 30 years I ver well may be wrong about its exact title.

@jeramahia123 5 ай бұрын

Never underestimate people having an opinion on something we know nothing about, and others exploiting that.

@naproupi 5 ай бұрын

@@alphagt62 My philosophy teacher literally taught us that in last year of high school. He did say it should be taught as early as middle school but eh. Philosophy classes are supposed to teach you to think critically, but teachers tend to focus too much on the dumb program and students don't engage enough with the texts to realise what lessons they could take from them.

@wetwilly01 7 ай бұрын

Every writing professor needs to show this to their lectures

@aaronfairbourn8280 2 жыл бұрын

I like this clip as an example of affirming the consequent. Lisa's counter example back fired. The fact there were no bears in town does not prove the patrols were working any more than the fact that there were no tigers proved the rock repels tigers.

@JohnSmith-gd2fg Жыл бұрын

If she had been aiming to get cash from a gullible idiot then of course it would have counted as success...

@FullchanAnon 6 ай бұрын

How do you link within a comment? Does it only work for other KZfaq videos? 😮

@albertskoften1452 5 ай бұрын

It also doesn't prove that the Bear Patrol is useless. The only way to do that would be to remove the Bear Patrol and see what happens.

@minamur 5 ай бұрын

@@albertskoften1452but then you don't know that what happened after you stop the patrols wouldn't have happened if patrols kept going.

@albertskoften1452 5 ай бұрын

@@minamur That's why you have to also set up a parallel universe where the Bear Patrol doesn't get removed.

@Tolinar 6 ай бұрын

That said, bears in general avoid human presence - and with a lot of noisy vehicles nearby, it's entirely possible the bear patrol would drive a bear away, if there was one. Lisa does a better job of explaining this fallacy. Remember, it's also a fallacy to assume they are unrelated. Detectives do not believe in coincidence.

@oswald_1927 4 жыл бұрын

Here’s one. 5g towers went up right around the time covid-19 was becoming more relevant, therefore they are connected.

@cheesball96 2 жыл бұрын

💯

@Nisfornarwhal1990 6 ай бұрын

That doesnt count coz its 100% true and related

@oswald_1927 6 ай бұрын

@@Nisfornarwhal1990 uh huhhhhh. ok buddy, you do you 👍.

@tophatcat1173 6 ай бұрын

@@Nisfornarwhal1990 can I perhaps interest you in this very cool tiger repelling rock I have for sale?

@Nisfornarwhal1990 6 ай бұрын

@@tophatcat1173 ...I would like to BUY your tiger and COVID repelling rock-

@berner 5 ай бұрын

A conversation explaining this to someone reminds me of the time when I tried to explain the difference between "Possibility" and "Probability".

@felynecomrade 4 ай бұрын

What IS the difference? Aren't they just synonyms for likelihood? 🤔

@redryan20000 4 ай бұрын

This comes up in politics so often.

@redryan20000 4 ай бұрын

@@felynecomrade No. Here's an example. It's always possible that a bear will attack, because bears exist, they have the physical ability to attack, and they can be territorial. But how likely is it that they will attack? And what is that likelihood based on?

@crocmint4246 4 жыл бұрын

I like this, making learning fun!

@AbrahamNixons 5 ай бұрын

Great idea for a series!

@jonah.donohue 6 ай бұрын

Amazing analysis

@chasemarangu 3 жыл бұрын

I'm going to watch they whole playlist

@user-mr3ju5fj5b 2 жыл бұрын

Ahahhah thanks to the author. Amazing clip! This scene from Simpsons got stuck in my brain ;)) Very funny and unforgettable.

@jayfreeman5117 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video.

@martisole6249 4 жыл бұрын

@Colburn Classroom Hey there! I believe this is actually a "Cum hoc ergo propter hoc", where two events are assumed to be causally related because they appear together. I know there's no point in debating where'd be the line between Things ocurring previous and after vs things ocurring together, but i think that if we call Lisa's example a Cum Hoc, we leave free room for a more specific Post Hoc which would be: "Tigers have occasionally appeared in the neighbourhood, but since I picked up this stone and said a magic spell, not a single one has gotten near". Maybe i'm overanalizing stuff. And maybe i'm wrong :D anyway great vids, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. keep it up!

@ColburnClassroom 4 жыл бұрын

Always open to debate, but first let me see if I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the Tiger Rock occurred simultaneously with the absence of tigers? I think part of Lisa's point is that the bears were absent (with one minor exception) prior to the bear patrol, so the fact that they are absent after as well is insignificant.

@michaelchallis4129 6 ай бұрын

Heh heh. Cum.

@virusmyth4930 6 ай бұрын

Except that bear patrol has something to do with keeping bears away, after all it's their purpose on paper, while a rock has no bearing to tigers. Obviously the bear patrol doesnt constitute conclusive evidence for not having any bears around as they may or may not be doing their job, it's evidence (weak evidence or not) nonetheless, while a rock has nothing to do with keeping tigers away (it's no evidence at all). Treating those 2 things as if they are EXACTLY the same is a mistake as well.

@elliottbaker201 6 ай бұрын

Not if I throw the rock at a tiger and it leaves 🤷

@suryakantaswain331 5 ай бұрын

@@elliottbaker201throwing rock at a tiger is hilarious way and not a full proof way ....so no one gonna believe in it But bear patrol is a perfect way to keep away bears...so it's reasonable to think that

@jeramahia123 5 ай бұрын

All I'd need to do is write on rock "Tiger Repelling Rock", then it will be as related to tigers as the bear patrol is to bears

@suryakantaswain331 5 ай бұрын

@@jeramahia123in the video, it is just a small random rock and we know that, that doesn't gonna practically help to prevent from a tiger But we all know that bear patrol has a practical purpose to prevent bears from that area But yeah, if someday, a rock discovered which will be small but have capability to prevent from a tiger, then we will happily welcome that rock But as of till now, we don't have that type of special rock. So there is no reason to think that a random rock will prevent that area from a tiger. equivocation fallacy may be shown in the video

@virusmyth4930 5 ай бұрын

@@jeramahia123 Only if you assume the bear patrol does nothing, like a rock, but that premise may or may not be true.

@gregors1422 3 жыл бұрын

One of the best Simpson's segments!

@charlesorlando794 5 ай бұрын

So you’re saying the bear patrol didn’t work? Because I didn’t see any bears after they appeared.

@jeramahia123 5 ай бұрын

No, you can't prove that it DOES work. You'd need a bear to get through the patrol to prove it doesn't work. It's like Americans who think owning a gun makes their home more safe. Until the gun is actually used against an intruder, there's no proof of that.

@-dash 5 ай бұрын

@@jeramahia123Dude, guns are used all the time for lawful purposes.

@jeramahia123 5 ай бұрын

@@-dash yeah, by the law. Not citizens. If citizens need to use guns, the police have failed

@ElFino013 5 ай бұрын

Also known as "correlation does not equal causation".

@joellemona9600 3 жыл бұрын

Can somebody tell me which episode is this it's urgent thanks in advance

@user-nn8qb1mf6k 4 ай бұрын

About time a channel owner actually moderates the comments lmao

@Yangott 3 жыл бұрын

thanks!!

@HeyImAedRianne 2 жыл бұрын

0:01 hi! I have a question, sir. Is the 156 in "(Kirszner 156)" is a date? Is that a typo? Then what year it should be? TY!

@ColburnClassroom 2 жыл бұрын

Book and page number

@BoleDaPole 4 ай бұрын

Do those anti tiger rocks really exist? I kinda want to buy one, but there aren't any Tigers where I live so it'd be more of a novelty item more than anything. Edit: will these rocks negatively affect all cats or just tigers? There are cats in my area and I don't want to chase them away.

@bringyourownsnake980 5 ай бұрын

I'm no reader, but I am quite happy after many years... TV taught me 10xs of what I learned in school.

@markerikson7423 5 ай бұрын

Volcano Insurance

@-dash 5 ай бұрын

The alarm was on, which could suggest that Homer may have actually been correct.

@ajmorelan 3 жыл бұрын

ayo I actually learned something

@Inkyminkyzizwoz 6 ай бұрын

To be fair, there not being any bears likely DID have something to do with the bear patrol

@foxymetroid 5 ай бұрын

It's likely that bear sighting was the only one they've had in years and that the bear patrol's only real purpose was to give a very loud and visible appearance of the local government doing something.

@Tygermetal 6 ай бұрын

But it was the immigrants, even when it was the bears it was really immigrants

@kristianmcdonald3815 5 ай бұрын

So what have we all learnt? never try

@daboxingscholar 2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@somebuddyX 6 ай бұрын

After hoc, therefore....something else hoc.

@engg84 6 ай бұрын

An important lesson. If you can't educate dumb people, scam them out of their money. 😄

@SamiiYou 6 ай бұрын

I thought that it was also a metaphor for the cold war.

@doctordl7757 6 ай бұрын

Look this man gets his fallacies wrong its scary how he has no convictions about it.

@dixonpinfold2582 4 ай бұрын

I watched this video and was soon bored. Therefore, this video caused my boredom.

@jeramahia123 5 ай бұрын

American gun owners in a nutshell.

@TJ-fe7rr 5 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@johnnysukhumvit9242 4 ай бұрын

Ugh....how lazy. The fallacy is Post hoc ergo propter hoc. You can dumb it down to two words for common people, but that is not as educational. The Latin translation means that you will never forget what the fallacy is. "After this, therefore because of this."

@solidNJ 5 ай бұрын

This reminds me of the 2nd ammendment and the right for every nutcase of owning a gun to defend his home. Then came the problems of street violence, school shootings... who do we blame?...

@-dash 5 ай бұрын

Well, you can’t blame individuals lawfully protecting their own property, that’s for sure.

@cairosilver2932 5 ай бұрын

Seems odd to describe post hoc fallacy by attributing mental states to cartoon characters.

@normanred9212 6 ай бұрын

The same is with shots, how fools think they help when it is your own body that does all the work while shots actually cause damage and crippling of the body

@Crispierbug 6 ай бұрын

100% misinformation.

@siobhannoble8545 6 ай бұрын

Clearly your science teachers and/or parents failed you, so I'm gonna spell it out. Vaccines introduce a weakened form of a virus so that your antibodies can learn how to fight off the real thing. Think of it like a visiting professor giving a special lecture. Your immune system still does the actual work but, thanks to the vaccine, it's much better prepared to fend off the virus than it would be otherwise. Science is our friend.

@jeramahia123 5 ай бұрын

No, not the same. We know vaccines make a difference because they compare control and experimental groups. One group gets the real drug, the other gets a placebo. And they compare the differences and control for other variables to determine if the drug works compared to the body naturally healing itself. This has always been the case. A post hoc would be people who think vaccines cause autism. Or who thinks that because someone who doesn't get shots doesn't get sick must mean that shots don't work, instead of asking other reasons why a person might not get sick (like environmental or genetic factors).

@Jumpyman_thegamerYT 5 ай бұрын

@@jeramahia123 Facts.