That’s very interesting. You can do the same thing if you measure your center arrow shaft to center peep height at full draw, get the arrow speed at 36” in front of the rest with a chrono, and accurate arrow weight. From there just plug the data into a ballistic calculator (my Luepold range finder has one built in) that you can find on the internet. A nice graph results that will show you the exact arc of your arrow. By the way, the reason you’ll hold dead on at short range is that the arc intersects the aim point at two different yardages, one as it passed up from the rest through the aim point, and another as it descends from the arc of flight and intersects the aim point. The graph described will show you both, or you can just find it by shooting at various yardages using your pin, stepping out one yard at a time from 8, until you have a perfect aim point shot. Keep stepping and you’ll map the curve right on your target. It is worth noting that as you point out you are 4.5 inches high at 20, and that might be the peak of your arc, so at 14 you might be only 2” high and at 25 only 2” high. If you want to make target accurate shots on deer, there is a lot to know in advance (this data plus the ranges of landmarks around your stand) and a lot to think about all while your adrenaline is haywire and a deer is marching by.

Its called maximum point blank range. Used often in rifles.

Like others have already stated, I've used a single fixed vertical pin (or crosshair) for 30+ years. I have never owned a slider sight or multiple pins. When crunch time comes, I believe in keeping things simple. I become a better shooter when my instincts take over. Deer (& turkeys) are unpredictable. This past week, I have been trying something new. I am shooting an EZ V sight for the first time, but I customized it to having one set of tick marks @ 20 yards. Now, I am shooting like my single fixed pin, but with the added benefit of using the V to help guide me with longer shots. If you like to kill targets, I suggest using a rangefinder & pins. If you want to harvest game, I suggest looking into the EZ V sight. I am not interested in how good my groups are @ 30 yards (or whatever known distance). I am interested in how good my groups are at unknown distances within 40 yards, because that's hunting for me! "Frame it & claim it" - This is how an EZ V sight works. I find visualizing a basketball inside the "V" makes me instinctually punch the center of the vitals at unknown distances, & that's what hunting is all about!

I have been using a single pin for over 30 years but have never done the math like this lol. 1 pin is a great way to hunt.

I have mine set at 30 and shoot top inside of heart and I’m good even at 40 . Most deer start to Load and drop at 40 anyways. It’s worked for years.

Set for 30yds...... 20 yards hold at belly, at 40 hold on back

I started shooting single pin 3 years ago been bow hunting 37 years 95 % of my deer shot at 20 yards or less. Last year had to shoot a second arrow at a wounded deer at 50 yards sure glad l could dial it in to clean up my first shot.

I really like the concept. I did my one pin on a cardboard silhouette of a deer. 30 yds is max for me so felt the pin dead on at 25 was good. At closer range it was easier to see the target and adjust where to shoot. I feel really confident any where in that range. Also shoot at the cardboard target and not dots have better feel where to shoot on the body. Thks.

Listen this is NOT for EVERYBODY... however I shot a single pin for 10 years straight and can HONESTLY say that in a short time I was good out to 50 yards easily and even 60 or 70 pretty comfortable.It simply takes practice.I have a 4 pin sight currently but I hate it.So I ordered a single pin. Hey man, to each their own!!!

I’ve been doing this for a couple years now, it’s funny how it’s not intuitive for a lot of people. All it is, is knowing your over/under. I leave my pin at 30, at 10 yards it’s 4” high, at 35 yards it’s 4” low. Any farther than that and I should be dialing to the exact yard. That was shooting about 290fps. I built heavier arrows this year, need to find my new pin setting. That just takes an afternoon.

This actually really helps me with hunting mulies out here in AZ. It’s often tough to stalk them closer than 40yds. Sometimes we ambush them from a ground blind if we have a really good spot. I am not confident at super long shots here, so figuring out my effective range and knowing where to hold is a great method. Might even use a 2x or 4x lens to dial in my hold over/under a little more precisely. Thanks! -Nick 😃👍

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. Same concept as setting ‘’Battle Sight Zero” for combat. Principles of marksmanship never change. Time tested, combat proven.

Great data and execution. We are fortunate to have superior archery products available to minimize the "gap". A far cry from my old Martin Warthog...nice work.

Just switched to a 1 pin. I understand now. Great video. I like that everyone has to put their 2 cents in! But where are their videos? Thanks

I’ve always used a single pin since I started shooting in my early 20’s, I’m accurate out to 50+ yards with one pin . I shoot a fast bow 2016 Pse Dream Season Decree, enough said

I loved this video. I've always preferred a 1 pin setup but never broke it down so precisely. I will now.

I leave my HHA set at 25 yds, I'm good from 5-33yds ... to 40 yds by holding level on the deer's back .. I shoot a lot at un known distances at 3D targets, I am deadly this way ... faster is better for this, I'm at 289fps/430 Velocity XT

i know this is an older video now but its still one of the best. wanted to add a tip in case it can help somebody. i converted a 5 pin sight to a one pin sight by removing three pins. i left one additional pin to use as a ranging pin. if the belly to back is inside of the two pins the deer is either outside of my range for acceptable drop or too small for me to wanna shoot, if the whitetails body is outside of the distance of my two pins, i know its inside of my shooting range, then i just drop to my top pin and let it fly. im definitely better now than i was a few years ago at judging distance but the pins help me reinforce my choice quickly while calming the nerves to deliver a confident shot.

One reason I love my double single pin lol I got 20 and 30 ready to go

I shoot a fixed 5 pin sight for 3d. Pin 1is 10 to 15 pin 2 is 21 pin 3 is 27 pin4 is 32 and pin 5 is 39. The first pin is set at the highest point of trajectory.

As others have said I to having been shooting a single pin for many years. The best method I have found is to zero it in a 25 yards. The bows theses days will shoot flat to 35 yards. That being said If a deer comes in at 20 yards put the pin on it and it want be just a little high, and if he comes in at 30+ yards it will just be a little low. Either way the difference is very little

This is effective but a little much to think about for me when the pressure is on . I have a spot Hogg fast eddie XL single post with second dot. I shoot a 70 lb Bowtech SR6. Pretty fast flat shooting bow. By keeping pin at 20 yards and using second dot my effective hunting range is pretty much covered. On second thought I have missed one of my target buck two straight seasons so maybe I should give it a try.

U successfully made me dizzy with all that lol. Seems like a great way to over complicate stick and string. 🍻

Good stuff, man! With quality content, I subscribed

This is some awesome info! I would have never thought of doing this but I will be now

Been hunting with a single pin for years. Dialed in at 30 yards the shot is 2" high at 20 yards and drops 6" at 40. Adjust your aim point accordingly. I mark the pin location with a small dab of colored nail polish and keep an extra pin down low that can be replace the original pin if it happens to get damaged. Keep It Simple Stupid

My magic number was 24 yrd shooting 70lbs with a 430 grain . that being said, I was setting up for 99 percent of shots being within 30. Most of my bow kills are inside 20, be mindful of where your hunting and your conditions when you do this. practice the gap and you can shoot 10 hole all day long

I found 27 yards is my sweat spot out to 40 with 30 inch draw at 70 lbs

Great video, I just started shooting a single pin. this will help

The scientific method,I like it!!

I've done this, but with my 460 gr. arrow, it's about impossible. I use 28 yard pin setting, and 35 is my max. If a deer is further than that, I should be able to adjust my pin to that range and make a shot. With my sight set at 28 yards, I will still be in the 10 ring on an IBO deer from 20 yards to 35 yards. Heavier arrows are a problem with this system, if your goal is to not to be holding over or under.

The best advice I could give a hunter whether they’re new to archery or experienced. Go and shoot 3D tournaments. They will teach you more about shooting under pressure, how to judge yardages, how your setups work in different situations! And they are a lot of fun! You will get more confidence by doing it than just shooting at a bale in your backyard!

I'm just looking into getting started with archery. Buddy of mine let me borrow his spare CB so I can start training before I start spending cash into my setup! -All being said, just Sub'd!

Also you can add a second dot with finger nail polish dead on your 40 mark

I use this on my vortex ffp sight . Quick blip with the rangefinder and raise or drop simples

Great job! Awesome video.

I have a slider because its dialed into 80yd 2x everything im good to 160yd with 1” groups

1 inch high at 20 yds. 1 low at 30 at 260 fps my setup ancient PSE single cam 2002 model

This is why a 3 pin slider is such a better option. No compromise or holding over for drop. In my opinion and set up with a heavier hunting arrow there is too much drop from a 20 to 40 yard shot to effectively set up a “point blank” zero like you are doing in this video. You definitely are going to sell some three pin sliders though lol

Really useful as just ordered my first single pin sight. Can I as what sight you're using in this video?

I like your choice 😉 in bows....... I do this something, but I do it on deer targets........

Excellent

I just switched to a mover single pin and plan to do something similar but I am gonna try to find a good spot between 20-30/35 yards that is minimal difference high and low. If I am unable to do so or if animal falls outside of that range I will either dial to range or pass on shot. Owe it to animal to make a clean ethical kill.

Great video thank you for sharing!

Good advice

I know this is a little off subject, but I’m curious about the target you’re shoot into. Did you make it or buy it, and where can I find one or the materials to build it?

interesting concept, but I like the reasoning for it. going to try this

im shooting single pin for long time

If your bow was closer to square the window would be smaller. I used to knock a touch high....cuz the pros said to....

My new spot Hogg 2 dot single pin works great for this. Tip dot is 20 yards. Botttom dot is 35 yards. I can know the pin gap at 25 and 30. And how much it drops from my 35 yard pin to 40.

most deer are shot at 20 yards and in. hitting 4.5 inches high at that range in addition to the normal 4-6 inches of drop that is normal of a deer shot at by a bow moves your point of impact up by 10.5 inches. Math looks good on paper until all variables are taken into consideration.

With the single pin at 34, how high will the impact be at 5, 10, and 15 yards? How does being 15-20 feet high affect the POA/POI? I love the data points, but for me there’s a lot of unanswered questions in this video.

Multi pin works too

Good way to do it to is measure the width of the body of the deer so you know exactly how wide he or she is.

This is why i use a 3 pin slider spot and stalk feral goats in spain or hunting whitetail in mexico there ia no time to move yor sight or do all this math

Nice video. What sight are you using?

That random skip from 20yards to 40yards was a bit odd, I thought I skipped by accident.

14" drop seems like alot tbh

Just because your 4.5in high at 20 yards from the ground, doesn't mean you'll be that high from a tree stand. You'll actually be higher. Depending on how high in the tree you are

Been shooting single pin fast eddie at 80 yards but at 100 my pins too low to be seen out of the peephole .. I'm stumped I could increase draw weight but I'm at 65lbs , moving my peephole down would have me shooting lower Any suggestions?

My bow shoots so far off to the right if I were to try and move my pin to correct my shot I wouldn’t see my pin. Has anyone else encountered this?

What sight are you using?

When I shot a compound I only used one pin with a big peep sight. Sighted it to 15 with the pin at the bottom of the peep and used the rest of the peep as elevation for different ranges and killed deer out to 43 yards. It became almost instinctive with practice where to put the pin at different distances

Your waaaaaaaay over thinking it. The deer will eventually come to a stand still and when it does, SEND IT

What camera are u using to film this?

What did you build that target from or is it bought?

Been shooting for 52 years and I use a single pin this method very confusing I’ll stick to moving my pin to the yardages I need

what is that backstop made of?

I don't understand all the big deal with single sight pin stuff, I hunted single sight pin when I was 25 years old shooting a 96lb screaming eagle with over draw, 24" arrow 10- 35yds zero but now I'm at 45lbs I need the 3 pins. Those 3/4/5 pin sights are cheaper than the sliding one pin sight system. Are people hunting deer with their 3d bows? Shed some light brother...

This might sound like a dumb question but how come it seems like nobody sets a 10 yard pin? Should your 20 yard pin hit the same from 0-20?

I have one pin that’s good from 0-45 yards. If the deer is at 50 I aim at top of back and it’s dead on. Buti won’t ever shoot a deer at 50 yards 45 and less I just hold it where I want to hit. But I shout a Mathews Triax 70 lbs

What sight is this? Thanks

This system works great when you have fast arrow speed. Like 290+ the drop becomes less and less. Slow bows/arrows this isn't the best idea. He's using a slow bow here as shown in those huge drop measurements.

Does he have black eyes?

Learn how to instinctive shoot and the pins don't matter!

Why not just use a multi pin sight?

What site do you have on that VXR?

Where did you get that hat!?

Two fixed pins, problem solved.

It's super easy to just move the sight. This is moot.

Then you get a deer at 43 yards and you miss. Not for me

He made this wayyyyy to complicated

430 grain arrow lol.

This is dumb and unethical. Just run a 3 pin.