I would have done this totally different and began in a vertical mill, finding center and squaring up off the threaded post with a DTI. Drill, ream or bore an undersized thru hole at the proper offset and then go to the lathe and indicate the bore in X/Y. Bore to finished OD and commence with threading. No worries.
@7LegSpiders5 ай бұрын
Every other comment has criticism, but your's has a solution.
@williamsquires30708 ай бұрын
One nice thing about machining that bronze is the nice little chips that result, making it easy to evacuate the chips through the drill flutes. 😊
@stevestrohacker84368 ай бұрын
You got me, Keith. It always messed with my mind that by accident, I'd hit the rapid traverse lever on the lathe. Just as I thought that you sped up the video and I jumped...lol. bugger!
@BillySugger19658 ай бұрын
I know nothing about Leblonde lathes, but wouldn’t you want to ensure that the threaded hole is bored to intersect the mounting boss at right angles? Or am I overthinking this?
@ron8278 ай бұрын
Transferring the part number is a nice touch.
@TopperMachineLLC8 ай бұрын
I read the title and immediately thought "yuck"! You did a great job on that.
@russellherold2728 ай бұрын
You are the man Keith! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and your years of experience. I am 78 years young and would NEVER, EVER lean on your on your ability, judgement and expertise. Keep em' coming. YEA!!!!!
@oldschool19938 ай бұрын
A bit tricky building a nut to fit a lathe that probably has a lot of wear in the carriage and working off a nut with worn out threads. The vertical alignment can be adjusted by adding shims or removing some material, but the side to side alignment is not adjustable and if the hole is off center or not straight through the casting it will bind. The hole should be centered on the the vertical pin, not just halfway between 2 sides of a rough casting. To be sure the hole goes through straight, flats should be machined on the three sides to be equal with the centerline of the mounting pin.
@gilbertgassmann918 ай бұрын
Completely agree with you, Keith should not have centered the bore on raw foundry faces. It should have taken the axis of the crankpin as a reference and been parallel to the machined bearing surface.
@24681359David8 ай бұрын
As long as the hole is straight and the thread has a few thou clearance, it's not going to matter as long as it's close. If it were this tricky just adjusting the gib on the cross-slide would cause a bind.
@oldschool19938 ай бұрын
@@24681359David Probably right for most folks, unless he is like Keith and will spend a year scraping all the ways to within 0.0001"
@masteruniverse35068 ай бұрын
Great work!
@shubus8 ай бұрын
We're all feeling better seeing that part number being stamped in.
@elsdp-45608 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing.👍
@GWBoen8 ай бұрын
Great informational video as always Keith
@fpoastro8 ай бұрын
How are you sure the lead screw hole is at a dead right angle to the threaded shank?
@geraldharkness88308 ай бұрын
excellent work keith
@Siskiyous68 ай бұрын
Very nice work!
@scrotiemcboogerballs19818 ай бұрын
Great video thanks for sharing
@WillyBemis8 ай бұрын
Thank you Keith!
@6NBERLS8 ай бұрын
Most excellent.
@csnelling48 ай бұрын
Thank you Keith 🥰🥇
@johncloar16928 ай бұрын
Thanks Keith for the video. Another great job.
@thefirstcalled8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@geckoproductions41288 ай бұрын
Interesting video, thank you
@migueltorres60738 ай бұрын
Thanks Keith for the video. Another great job
@curtkuhns8 ай бұрын
Thanks for another interesting video Keith. -Curt
@williamgamache28828 ай бұрын
Once again another great video... Thanks Keith !!!
@davidlostumbo68458 ай бұрын
Nice job
@rw3dog8 ай бұрын
Great work ! I love the threading job.
@timf69168 ай бұрын
Good job
@walterplummer38088 ай бұрын
Good morning Keith. Thanks for all the work making the videos. Have a great weekend.
@johnrice67938 ай бұрын
Very nice. You are an accomplished fellow indeed. 👊🤜🤛
@Sizukun18 ай бұрын
I commented on part 1 and I'm glad to see you stamped the part number on. Not that you didn't film it before my comment!
@walnutclose52108 ай бұрын
Doesn't the axis of the lead screw threads have to be coplanar with the axis of the vertical boss? I really don't see where the setup accomplishes that.
@rustyshackleford9288 ай бұрын
You had me at hypotonus. And at 18:46 JK thanks Keith. love your work.
@takedeadaim86718 ай бұрын
Nice job Keith
@mwoliver8 ай бұрын
Maybe just me, but I would have found the center of the hole in the existing nut, referenced from the machined flat, and used that to layout the center of the hole for the new nut, again referenced from the machined flat. The new casting is admittedly oversized and using a sloppy half-the-width measurement as a basis for laying out the hole center referenced from the radius of a rough, oversized casting just doesn't give confidence that this nut wouldn't end up binding. Maybe just me and maybe my reasoning is flawed. EDIT: Two followup comments. One, my comment was meant for those who don't know any better so that they think about their layouts and setups. Two, my comment was in the context of the external threading and machining having been completed already, which was the improper sequence in the first place in my opinion. That said, none of us are without fault and (again) my initial comment was meant to be constructive for new guys who don't know any better. 👍🏻
@littleworkshopofhorrors23958 ай бұрын
My very thought on the matter.
@ton1468 ай бұрын
Me too. Was wondering how Keith would establish the distance of the hole from the machined face but he did not use that as a reference. Dont know the lathe concerned but is there a risk of binding at the extremes of cross slide travel?
@littleworkshopofhorrors23958 ай бұрын
@@ton146 if it is out of line it will reduce the backlash, for a few days!
@CameronMcCreary8 ай бұрын
The most accurate method I use is to drill, ream and thread then, set the part up between centers on the granite block and measure for the outside dimensions. Now I machine the outside dimensions using the threaded hole for referencing all the final dimensions.
@mwoliver8 ай бұрын
@@CameronMcCreary Yep, start with the threaded hole and build from there. You're spot on.
@ccrider53988 ай бұрын
While you have cut many threads of many sizes on your channel ( I even remember a left hand acme lead screw that ABOM did for you at the museum) I don't recall an internal 5 pitch acme cut in reverse feeding in. A lot of left handed threads are cut outwards from the chuck. Thanks for sharing this rarely video taped procedure. Interesting there wasn't an oil port for that nut/thread. I also liked your craftsmanship in stamping the part numbers onto the nut. Since you were returning the original, you might have left that out, but worn-out loose parts often get lost in a shop. I'm still awaiting machining of precious metals in your shop! Thanks for your videos.
@melshea25198 ай бұрын
Happy Friday Keith! 😊
@steveshoemaker63478 ай бұрын
Excellent work....Thanks Keith.... Shoe🇺🇸
@dannyl25988 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video Keith. Looks like you are taking more backlash out of this than you had hoped for.
@tomswindler648 ай бұрын
Great video as always,👍👍👍😎😎😎
@dcpower7774 ай бұрын
I love Tap Magic
@rodsolomon45038 ай бұрын
Why didn't you align the bore of the ACME thread with the threaded post on the bottom of the nut?
@monadking27618 ай бұрын
We had to replace the block nut and the cross-slide on my lablond as well. except we purchased a left hand brass long nut and milled down the outside. The cross-slide wears more in the middle since that is were it is used more. We also purchased a left hand acme shaft that matched the nut size and milled it down for bearing mounts and handle. We used our old parts as reference. The outer ends of the shaft hardly wear. That is why you might have more back lash in the middle when you checked the block. Nice video as usual.
@appalachianbushcraft39598 ай бұрын
A coaxial indicator would made for an easy setup. Even if it doesnt need to be perfect, just my ocd talking. Love your vids Keith, been watch for a long time....
@RRINTHESHOP8 ай бұрын
Nice job Keith. Came out great.
@paulterhaar42188 ай бұрын
Well that was dumb thinking of me that Keith would forget stamping the partnumber. Last but not least. 😅
@jamesdavis80218 ай бұрын
I don’t think I have not had to take a little more.Much better than taking too much
@jonareli8 ай бұрын
Tight
@daveentwistle85358 ай бұрын
Thanks Keih, as a newbie, one question: when holding the rough casting in the four jaw, how do you ensure axial alignment - or did you just guess it would be within tolerance?
@Paul-FrancisB8 ай бұрын
the same as @MikeOliverKT2T comment, the thread alignment should strictly be to the machined faces, i.e. the bottom face and cylindrical register. This would ensure alignment with the lead screw once fitted to the slide, rather than inferring by referencing both to the cast surfaces that are not critical dimensions.
@chuckinwyoming85268 ай бұрын
I saw this potential problem too. You could run an indicator along the flat turned in the first video. Or clamp a parallel on the face to extend the flat and run an indicator on the parallel.
@tedmiles21108 ай бұрын
It is nice that you can do a job for somebody local. TM Long time viewer
@UKDrew8 ай бұрын
Hi Keith, you made a lot of effort to make reference surfaces, But then didn't use them...Unless i missed it ?
@michaelhallas64508 ай бұрын
Very Nice . Kieth my question is do you make a video on the 1st part of the machining of the nut with the external threads ?
@scottthomas59998 ай бұрын
Nice job. Not an easy operation.
@wilsonlaidlaw8 ай бұрын
Keith, I just hope you don't end up like Steve Watkins, after cutting the LH internal thread (I think his was square thread, pre-Acme), he then found that the lead screw from the shaper was a two start thread.
@johng84738 ай бұрын
I am thinking you may still not have a good fit when installed. The center of the Acme thread hole should be the same as the shoulder of the machined stub in one axis, and the other axis should be measured off the flat around the stub. The outer dimensions do not matter at all.
@belatoth37638 ай бұрын
Everybody tried to find out how he will maintain symmetry, squares and align with the fixing nut's symmetry. And he marked it like it was a piece of sqare iron for a shelf 😂, aligned the raw casting with the jaw with protector 😅. Funniest guy, it must be a joke.
@par4par728 ай бұрын
As an apprentice, I was required to Lap Nuts with a dedicated Lap mandrel ID then run the Screw thru the nut. "Zero fit".
@Heretic_Dezign8 ай бұрын
I can only concur with others, personally I would have placed the centre of the leadscrew hole to match the centre point you put in the thread you machined, on the East/West plane and taken centre on the North/South plane from the flat machined surface
@barrystevens27808 ай бұрын
Wouldn't you want to add the Ackme thread measured from the locating shoulder on the part to its mounting position at assembly
@robertlevine21528 ай бұрын
Keith, I was wondering, if you already established the center of the nut when you machined the threads for the nut. Why not transfer that center to the face of the hole you were drilling? When I drew parts as a draftsman many years ago, we drew off a datum point. Since you machined the off sticker ( please excuse my lack of terminology) first, the datum would be the center and face of the face. Dimensions for x. Y and z would be measured from the centerline and face of the screw. By establishing multiple centers off different surfaces you compound errors. Bob
@24681359David8 ай бұрын
The biggest problem with this is the fact that Keith was working with a worn-out nut. That's all he had to work with. Depending on how wornout the nut is, his method of going off the outer dimensions of the casting may very well have been more accurate than trying to decipher where the centerline of the screw sits in reference to the original nut to transfer those dimensions over to the new one.
@chrissmith5138 ай бұрын
That's Amazing 👍👍👍
@mark-8 ай бұрын
that's how it's done 😊👍
@thepotterer37268 ай бұрын
What's the range of that internal micrometer, you are using on the bore?
@toddbishop94128 ай бұрын
Ring finger is looking good....
@johnkraus7288 ай бұрын
Many comments about the thread hole alignment. I was going to ask, as well, why not reference from the machined threaded stud? I'd be concerned about the load it would put on that long leadscrew if not perfect. Thanks for sharing, Keith.
@Videowatcher2.08 ай бұрын
I hope it's a single leed, use a dead center to indicate to center punch
@howardhughes63113 ай бұрын
Nice job EXCEPT Acme threads are 29 deg.
@ThePottingShedWorkshop8 ай бұрын
Surely ACME is 29deg, trapezoidal (metric) is 30deg, so if you feed the compound in at 15deg the thread will not have the correct form.
@user-rm2bi8xq8t8 ай бұрын
did the threads get shortened for the nut that holds it on?
@briancarruthers17388 ай бұрын
Oil hole?
@VictorAndDad8 ай бұрын
Keith. What kind of leblond lathe was the cross slide nut for? I have a leblond Regal 13 inch I'm restoring.
@Henning_S.8 ай бұрын
As far as I know the lathes with serial numbers starting with ND are Heavy Duty models, so the part number with ND is probably also for a heavy duty model
@CameronMcCreary8 ай бұрын
I was wondering Keith; do you ever use fixtures for stamping the numbers/letters into the parts so the characters are spaced properly? I always make and use stamping fixtures when stamping or pressing numbers into metal and wood.
@azarellediaz48928 ай бұрын
20:58 At this time stamp looks like the threads are full of swarf, was this due to roughness on the finish or actual brass chips?
@charlesmiles91158 ай бұрын
😛😛😛😛😛😛❤❤❤❤👍👍👍👍👍👍
@userunavailable30958 ай бұрын
You should put your name on there with the serial number, my friend. I can see someone trying to puzzle out, a hundred years from now, why LeBlonde made one part that was clearly better quality than all their others, and why the number stamps don't match all their others.
@olens.69878 ай бұрын
What is half of 1 1/2 ?
@petemclinc8 ай бұрын
1/4.
@CHICOB42618 ай бұрын
So 1 1/2 or 1.50 so half would 3/4 or .75?
@MikeB00018 ай бұрын
Yeah...I don't think this nut will work out well for the local guy.
@5axmachine1678 ай бұрын
I notice you never use air to blow off chips. It's a very good practice, especially before performing any precise measurements. Any reason why?
@millwrightrick18 ай бұрын
Blown chips can end up in the more delicate parts of your face, even with safety glasses on.
@markschweter63718 ай бұрын
@@millwrightrick1 And the machine's works... Mr.Pete always rails on about that.
@willemvantsant51058 ай бұрын
29 degrees for acme thread. If your insert is 30 degrees you are cutting metric trapezoidal thread, not an exact match for the acme spindle. Good enough for the purpose.
@ellieprice3638 ай бұрын
The carbide ACME insert would be 29 degrees. He didn’t make it clear but the compound was probably set at 14.5.
@user-fu1bh3dt2c8 ай бұрын
If this thing works even halfway right it will be yet one more proof of the old adage that it is better to be lucky than it is to be good. I couldn't believe what I was seeing here. He has a presumably good and true reference point to start from yet he ignores it and approximates from a rough casting! A pipefitter or a rough carpenter might be able to get away with this sort of stuff, but a machinist, not so much. As it is, the hole is not aligned in either axis and it is not even truly round as you could hear the intermittent cut as he was threading. What a mess.
@Henning_S.8 ай бұрын
I also noticed the intermittent cut but I think the part may have moved in the chuck because the second threading pass started good but became more and more intermittent at the end. So the part may have tilted in the chuck, the front end was just slightly off center and the rear end was worse.
@TonyUrryMakes8 ай бұрын
Funny. I asked you for help on exactly the same part, and was told the tap to do it was too expensive. Now internal threading is feasible but wasn’t a couple years ago. I got my Leblond running anyway- but it would have been nice to have this instead of having to use the cast iron part Leblond sells now.
@user-fu1bh3dt2c8 ай бұрын
Seeing how he made this part I suspect you dodged a bullet.
@FireGodSpeed8 ай бұрын
Normally i don't critique someone but Keit come on.. "right on the money"- when we clearly saw it was going further.. and why did you drill it out to 9 thou under? LIKE WHAT you need a minimum of 20 thou if not more to get it actually cleaned up. Now you got a hole which is wider in one direction then the other.....(you could hear it clearly when he was making the scratch pass when threading). Disappointed to say the least
@fredhoyt69008 ай бұрын
Did you say, "half of inch and a half is inch and three quarter."?
@gordonburns87318 ай бұрын
"Where I'm at"!? As such? As so, yes, as such yes, like such, definitely is that English, ending a sentence with a preposition? clearly so! it's not 'Where we're at", it's "I do not follow idiots, who can't speak the English language.
@petemclinc5 ай бұрын
My English teachers always said, "when you state where you are at" you are behind the at...
@briancarruthers17388 ай бұрын
Half of inch and half is inch and three quarter? 😅
@W4BIN8 ай бұрын
I don't understand why he calls it a half nut, it looks like a nut to me. Ron W4BIN
@jozefa12348 ай бұрын
this all sucks, no way that this nut will work properly, tolerance wil need to be 0,001 and now 1/16 at the best
@justinl.35878 ай бұрын
There is no way that ACME thread is perpendicular to the existing machining on that part. But hey, this is the "Eyeball it" machining channel. 🤡