Sir Bobby Robson furious with Jermaine Jenas after a failed Panenka

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Newcastle lost the 2003 FA Premier League Asia Cup to Chelsea on penalties after Jermaine Jenas' Panenka attempt flew over the bar in sudden death. Sir Bobby Robson wasn't too happy after the game.
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@brianmcsherry1338 3 жыл бұрын

If he thought that was bad, imagine he seen his commentary 😂😂

@joshuaclarke99 3 жыл бұрын

He is the worst commentator I have ever heard tbh

@BristolMatt 3 жыл бұрын

Diversity hire.

@ryanchant6861 3 жыл бұрын

Heard mate

@perfectlemming8394 3 жыл бұрын

Even Lee Dixon is better

@CoolDude-jp1kj 3 жыл бұрын

@@perfectlemming8394 That's not saying much

@johnbewley8231 3 жыл бұрын

I don't remember sir bobby ever being vitriolic at his players during pressers and interviews. Sometimes you would see him seething and grinding his teeth, but he'd control himself and protect them at all costs. A class act right to the very end. We miss him.

@emperorpalpatine4723 3 жыл бұрын

there is something about this man that says genuine, honorable, Humble a very decent Human being and probably the Best Manager England ever had

@deanhendry7485 2 жыл бұрын

100% mate 🖤🤍

@ianlucas7679 2 жыл бұрын

Well said 😜👍

@NotSoLiberal 2 жыл бұрын

Watch his docu on Netflix if you can

@Saxondog 2 жыл бұрын

Your not wrong. Salt of the earth.

@frandevereaux 2 жыл бұрын

Totally. I’m Scottish but I wanted England to win the World Cup at Italia 90 for him. Great manager and great guy.

@austinmakoju81 3 жыл бұрын

Rest well Sir Bobby. Football was fortunate to have you

@kingejiro 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed a great manager.

@pearljam619 2 жыл бұрын

The kindest, most genuine manager to ever grace this planet. Still sorely and dearly missed. First England manger of my lifetime. An absolute gentleman.

@AS-nz2lt 2 жыл бұрын

Yes I totally agree. He had a class and aura about him. He always carried himself with integrity, was honest and sincere and liked by all.

@itsjay79 2 жыл бұрын

When my bro told me he passed away. It felt like my grandfather had passed...total shock and sadness 😢

@chriscunningham4196 2 жыл бұрын

Well said. I remember when he won an award at the BBC Spoty- the warmth, respect and admiration from the whole place could be felt. The Gaffer. x

@ianian2502 2 жыл бұрын

I’m Scottish, but as an England manager, have nothing but respect for him. A total gentleman and a fine tactical mind. I also remember the mainstream English press pouncing every time there was a bad result. They were relentless and downright nasty….but full of accolades when he passed away. Hypocrisy at its worst.

@kikionthetrailoflove7036 2 жыл бұрын

Loved by all the supporters of the clubs he coached, and their were many. A supremely talented coach. R.I.P. Sir.

@craigfishcake2543 2 жыл бұрын

What a loss to football and life in general. Calm, measured, polite, decent.

@glennhorman7243 2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! He's a legend 🙌

@simonfuller175 2 жыл бұрын

Well said son.👍

@craigfishcake2543 2 жыл бұрын

@Digger Gardi Yes. Only been once. September last year. Hoping to visit again soon. Take care Digger.

@yippyialeftside8351 Жыл бұрын

His record at Ipswich was in incredible, ok he did not win the league n European Cup like Clough did but got bloody close for 10 years Ipswich were in yje top 6 virtually every season top 3 6 times top 4 8 times runners up twice cup runs semis European runs 2 trophies , small club not a great deal of money but pushed the big clubs for 10 years , played great football aswell

@BuffaloZx 3 жыл бұрын

He’s not as furious as the nation was when we found out he was on co coms for the biggest game for 55 years

@dannyackland2059 3 жыл бұрын

What’s co coms?

@bigbadryster 3 жыл бұрын

@@dannyackland2059 co-commentary with the main commentator of the game.

@rea9473 3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@speedking7224 3 жыл бұрын

Bloody hell

@CloodyBlueless 3 жыл бұрын

I literally watched the ITV coverage of the final solely because the commentators on BBC were so abysmal.

@chalkfarmcarsquadso1664 3 жыл бұрын

When sir bobby spoke we all listened. LEGEND OF A MAN

@nemanjag9895 3 жыл бұрын

Everybody should be furious with Jenas' punditry

@Kaspisify 3 жыл бұрын

I actually like him a bit. Maybe not always, but he seems to be humble and down to earth. I'd take that any day over chest-out idiots.

@davidlogan8905 3 жыл бұрын

@@Kaspisify I find him to be a bit too biased. He's the type who will literally make a case for a challenge on an England player being a clear foul, slate the ref for not giving it, etc., and if the same challenge is made by an England player he will say it's never a foul and applaud the ref for not giving it.

@stevenwilliams1329 3 жыл бұрын

Worst pundit at the Beeb by a mile and he has some strong competition there. Please get rid of him quickly.

@blahqwe 2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenwilliams1329 There's no way he's worse than Martin Keown, he's earning money for his drivel.

@ActiveArron 2 жыл бұрын

@@Kaspisify This has to be sarcastm? He ooozes arrogance every time he speaks

@charlykay3038 3 жыл бұрын

Sir Bobby a great man we all miss dearly.

@DudeLebowski23 3 жыл бұрын

A man whose just handed out the bollocking of a lifetime and desperately trying not to repeat it on camera to the world :D RIP Sir Bobby, one of the true greats.

@gweilospur5877 2 жыл бұрын

People forget that in “ that” World Cup England had looked very ordinary and Robson was heading for the chop. They only played well in one match which ironically was the semi- final which they lost.

@georgemorley1029 2 жыл бұрын

He was upset because Jenas didn’t give his best effort. Genuinely upset. Not attacking the man, attacking the behaviour, the mind set. Sir Bobby Robson is Football royalty. Son of the North East.

@chase_view_racingvr4986 2 жыл бұрын

Loved in Ipswich forever.

@georgemorley1029 2 жыл бұрын

@@chase_view_racingvr4986 Rightly so.

@ultrademigod 2 жыл бұрын

@@georgemorley1029 It wasn't about not giving his best, it was about him showing off and missing his penalty.

@synthesizerpatel7405 3 жыл бұрын

Sir Bobby Robson furious with Jermaine Jenas after One Show failure.

@DGenerationX1311 3 жыл бұрын

this offsets the smugness we always hear in Jenas' voice

@triplow1 3 жыл бұрын

His commentary on Sunday during the final was abysmal.

@h_l_1701 3 жыл бұрын

@@triplow1 he’s awful isn’t he

@triplow1 3 жыл бұрын

@@h_l_1701 Yeah, he was just so negative about England's performance. It was almost like he wanted the to lose.

@NoName-jq7tj 3 жыл бұрын

@@triplow1 Jenas propagates the dirty foreigners crap that penalties and free kicks are given to freely against England. I don’t like him. Him and Rio were so confident. On the night Italy edged out Spain Ferdinand said that the neither Italy or Denmark posed any real problems for England winning the championships. Jurgen Klinsmann gave him the eyes when he said that knowing it’s not as simple as that. Italia controlled the game & if it wasn’t for Jordan Pickford England would have lost 1-3.

@davidscanlon2538 3 жыл бұрын

Football pundits should only be pundits if they've won a couple of trophies.

@brandonayong5823 3 жыл бұрын

Watching this You can tell mourinho got his exigencies and professionalism from S. B. R. He still calls him " Mister Bobby" to this day

@martinh1309 3 жыл бұрын

Mourinho has the deepest respect for both Sir Bobby Robson and Sir Bobby Charlton. Deep down he's an alright person i think

@guillezorro 3 жыл бұрын

Shame he didn't inherit his class

@Timbone07 2 жыл бұрын

@@guillezorro Yeah right. Because he did not have a witch hunt against him by the British press. Even the whole "Special One"moniker was a misquote to make him look bad. He said winning the champions league makes one special

@MWG-qv2hq 2 жыл бұрын

@@Timbone07 Such class as poking Tito Vilanova in the eye

@Timbone07 2 жыл бұрын

@@MWG-qv2hq Yes, humans are perfect. Didn't Sir Alex injure David Beckham? Jose Mourinho has actually won an award for being classy. I will take the opinion of his peers over some random dude on the internet

@rkent06 2 жыл бұрын

Jermaine Jenas’ life is basically the Leonardo Di Caprio role in “Catch me if you can”

@conorhughes1 2 жыл бұрын

Or ‘what’s eating Gilbert grape’

@lmmn5780 2 жыл бұрын

@@conorhughes1 bloody hell 😂

@Wyzzkyd 3 жыл бұрын

He still defended Jenas in public and called him a good boy. That's class. Mou would have ran him under the bus, reversed the bus and ran him over again.

@sammybeck4855 3 жыл бұрын

Jenas isn't worthy of being run over by Jose's bus.

@MrChelseaboy25 2 жыл бұрын

So was this interview shot in secret or something lol

@cummerchant542 2 жыл бұрын

Who was jose done that to

@YayaTourney 2 жыл бұрын

He could have literally not said anything on camera. That would have been more class.

@theteardropphase6822 3 жыл бұрын

If there were more Bobby Robson's in the world I'm certain the planet would be in a much better place.

@spark556 3 жыл бұрын

Asia Cup 😭 that’s something only Spurs would worry about 💀

@brandonayong5823 3 жыл бұрын

I died laughing in " All or nothing" When mourinho asked them " How many of you won an FA cup in your life? " And silent followed

@arnoldwandagoogutu4886 3 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to meet this man. Seems like a true English gentleman.

@CoolDude-jp1kj 3 жыл бұрын

Very good manager. Not on the level of Klopp and Guardiola tho

@ZolaMagic25 3 жыл бұрын

@@CoolDude-jp1kj perhaps not, but he won league titles in Portugal and the Netherlands, trophies in England and Spain, as well as taking England to a WC semi-final. Certainly wasn't a given a blank cheque any time he wanted a new signing either...

@gerrycampbell8018 2 жыл бұрын

I have to disagree, Bobby Robson was up there with the best and if he was around today managing a top four club in the premier league he would coming close to challenging as he always knew how to get the best out of his team. He was building something at Barcelona and he was shafted and when he knew he wasn’t going to be around the next season and Louis van Gall was going to take over he still gave 100%. Let’s also remember how horribly he was not only treated by Barcelona but also at Newcastle when they sacked him. Newcastle have been in decline ever since. Bobby Robson will always be in my top three favourite managers of all time.

@AS-nz2lt 2 жыл бұрын

@@gerrycampbell8018 karma Gerry mate good ol karma Newcastle never got it together since

@georgemorley1029 2 жыл бұрын

For a long time, Jermaine Jenas looked like he was playing with a balloon at Newcastle.

@onlyweatherlol93 3 жыл бұрын

Jenas always thought he had more ability than he ever actually had. He was an average player who had the odd good game for Spurs and scored a few against Arsenal. Somehow he is a pundit for BBC and BT Sport despite being completely out of his depth. Robson was on to something

@garethrevell5873 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Seen an interview with him saying he underachieved in his career and for England. I was thinking what is he on about? Had a very good game probably once a season, let's be honest, that's about it really lol oh yeah won Coca Cola Cup with Spurs as well if that's suppose to mean anything lol

@roundbutfreakishlysq 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, time moves on and then KZfaq throws up this curve ball and it’s only then that you realise how much you miss certain personalities and Bobby Robson is one such personality. RIP Bob 🙏🏻

@kwl189 2 жыл бұрын

Not mentioned nearly enough in modern football as he could have been.

@hc6190 3 жыл бұрын

I still don’t know how Jermaine Jenas is still a pundit

@adamg8814 3 жыл бұрын

Neither does he

@jimdonnelly1144 3 жыл бұрын

@@adamg8814 That's racist!!!

@sponish0 3 жыл бұрын

he's a decent pundit i don't get all the hate seems to be based on fact he wasa spurs player

@harrybelcher2239 3 жыл бұрын

we all know why

@davidjr4903 3 жыл бұрын

Need to fill the diversity quotas somehow...

@akamiguelsanchez9985 3 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t imagine letting Bobby down

@ShaneCrook 2 жыл бұрын

I’m furious with Jermaine jenas as well for ruining England games at the euros

@Isleofskye 2 жыл бұрын

JJ got the Co-Commentary in THe Euro Final because he is a good and perceptive analyst not some "laugh a minute" "personality" like Micah and Kamara ????? LOL

@herbert9241 2 жыл бұрын

@@Isleofskye - At least Kammy has some insight on the game. Micah, bewilderingly, for an ex-pro, has none.

@pedrobailey735 3 жыл бұрын

One of England's greatest football legends. Rip Bobby robson

@leverholme9894 3 жыл бұрын

Always professional. Legend Sir Bobby

@mrmrsfox4837 3 жыл бұрын

Thank god Sir Bobby never got to listen to his commentary!

@chrismaddison2245 2 жыл бұрын

The man just oozed class. Absolute respect, what a legend.

@markcarruthers9902 2 жыл бұрын

If he keeps taking penalties like that he will end up on the One Show.

@lydiawilson3789 2 жыл бұрын

Had to pack the game in as he got found out he had the ability of a conference league player…!

@scsutton1 Жыл бұрын

Do you have the lottery numbers?

@bmcmillian69 2 жыл бұрын

I remember him wishing Scotland all the best before Italia 90, pure class.

@P1mpMyBr1de 3 жыл бұрын

I remember watching this game. I lip read Bobby saying right away to his assistant after the penalty " Did you f*****g see that! ) 😂

@yippeekiyay9219 3 жыл бұрын

Jermaine 'state the absolute obvious' Jenas. I watched the final with the sound off because of him.

@MJR1117 2 жыл бұрын

Should have watched it on itv

@deanofthevale3193 2 жыл бұрын

Sir Bobby Robinson a true gentleman and we all miss him dearly. 👏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

@Ese96Agoaye 3 жыл бұрын

Who remembers that "skill" Mario Balotelli did v LA Galaxy?

@leebrown486 3 жыл бұрын

One on one and missed the double heel to heel finish haha. Even in preseason that was outrageous and disrespectful to the opponent.

@Ese96Agoaye 3 жыл бұрын

@@leebrown486 In his defence, he thought he was offside as he heard a whistle

@leebrown486 3 жыл бұрын

@@Ese96Agoaye ahhh yeah I think I remember something like that. But I’m sure it was Milner right next to him kicking off saying what are you doing hahaha

@liamhackston2507 3 жыл бұрын

@@leebrown486 Milner was immediately subbed on for him.

@pizzeriabufala 3 жыл бұрын

If you can’t try stuff like that in a pre season friendly against a pub team, when can you?

@btr9160 3 жыл бұрын

Does Sky have a clip of how bad it was?

@Evan-nw5ro 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah leaving us hanging

@glynhayes5930 3 жыл бұрын

It was appalling.. imagine a panenka that would have had trouble hitting the net of two goals stacked on top of one and other.

@HeyMisterDonutMan 3 жыл бұрын

It also cost us a champions league position.

@glynhayes5930 3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyMisterDonutMan it was the Asian cup.. a pre season friendly competition. Vs Chelsea?

@stevenweeks9903 3 жыл бұрын

@@glynhayes5930 this comment is correct. Summer of 2003 the summer abramovich brought us.

@k.gibson7376 2 жыл бұрын

As a member of the Tartan army, this man was such a nice human being he made me happy to see England progress in 90. A temporary feeling for sure. But that was the power of the man. You could only wish him well.

@Liryc83 3 жыл бұрын

Jenas is a giant plum really...

@davidseed3059 2 жыл бұрын

Pure class, Sir Bobby, deserved to be in a World Cup final. Not many English managers could attract the calibre of Ronaldo. I was 9 when Mexico 86 was on, and was so made up when he came to Newcastle as I could watch him closer, despite being an Everton fan. Perhaps for many Newcastle became their 2nd favourite team while he was there. Football is a worse place without him. Watch his film on Amazon.

@ralphrex9118 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, I feel emotional seeing Bobby again, what an absolute legend, sadly missed.

@SensibleMoniker 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder what Bobby would have thought about Rashford's impersonation of the Sugar Plum Fairy?

@DOMSKYTRANCE 2 жыл бұрын

Can't say anything about the ballerina Rashford as every justified criticism is labelled with the big R word.

@foreverred105 3 жыл бұрын

He was furious because this was a chance, regardless of what the cup was, some silverware for Newcastle

@earlofdrumer1851 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure what was more embarrassing: the weak penalties, Southgate's tactics, or Jenas' commentary effort

@d4ve19 2 жыл бұрын

Entire tournament undefeated in open play including playing Germany and the longest undefeated Italian team of all time. Only man I can remember to have the bravery to change tactics based on opposition and it worked every time, you're clueless.

@earlofdrumer1851 2 жыл бұрын

Whilst I appreciate the candour in your reply, we pretty much played more home games than at Euro '96! Germany are a shadow of the team they once were - they got beat at home by North Macedonia in a qualifier not too long ago. Whilst GS tactics had worked until the final lets be honest, the 2nd half tactics amounted to having the team retreat 30 yrds back, don't press the ball, and try and hang on in a tournament final for 45mins against a quality team, it was never going to work.

@theperfectionist 3 жыл бұрын

On we go to Jenas's failed panenka video.

@mrraoulandtheking11 3 жыл бұрын

A certain John wark would have buried it in his prime. That 1980-81 team was his best

@geoffpoole483 2 жыл бұрын

You're right, but previous Ipswich sides during Roson's tenure had been pretty good. His first three season at Ipswich were a struggle- the league tables prove that, but then we had the glory days when Ipswich was a team to be feared, finishing in the top four most seasons and regularly qualifying for Europe. I count myself lucky to have been living in Ipswich when Bobby Robson was manager.

@robspereall8203 2 жыл бұрын

Such a wonderful person and it's a privilege that I fell in love with football and Newcastle United when he was the manager at SJP while I was growing up! Love and miss him dearly.

@JohnJones-rj6vd 2 жыл бұрын

Love Sky Sports Retro, 30 second advert to watch a 1 minute video

@Ralien666TV 2 жыл бұрын

Legend! in many countries... Good on you sir Bobby

@h1xy889 6 күн бұрын

What a gentleman one of the greatest 🙏🏼

@GodotOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

That failed panenka is probably the only highlight of Jena’s mediocre career as a player

@TPRM1 2 жыл бұрын

In fairness, statistically speaking, down the middle (not necessarily a Panenka) is the most likely place to score, because keepers almost always dive low left/low right.

@ay613 3 жыл бұрын

Petition to upload premiership Years

@tramlad2 2 жыл бұрын

Jermaine Jenas is a great lad, injuries ruined his career , he was a lovely footballer, and he is now a very likeable pundit, aways been a fan of the lad, really honest and decent young man

@davidhands6883 2 жыл бұрын

Great clip but where is the clip of the penalty?

@cjstubejackofalltrade1551 2 жыл бұрын

🤣 to be honest I didnt watch the clip yet and the title 🤣 I am on the floor. I cant believe, he even tried it. 😂

@samboktilley6481 2 жыл бұрын

Any body got a link to it?

@cubecubesson6779 2 жыл бұрын

The fury!

@marygillmeister6013 3 жыл бұрын

Sky Retro topical as usual, quality clip 😆😆😆

@davidfellows1650 2 жыл бұрын

And now he has a career commentating, encouraging players to foul when it gives their team an advantage. Great work JJ

@markharrington9265 2 жыл бұрын

Love and respect sir Bobby

@wudipest 2 жыл бұрын

Best of Jenas's commentary (during England v Germany, Euro 2020) Mowbray: we’ve not seen a direct free kick scored this tournament Jenas: now, why would you say that? Mowbray: because we haven’t. Jenas: … 🤦🏻‍♂️

@drylunch6400 Жыл бұрын

Miss you Bobby!😢 ITFC legend!

@user-sw2lv3zp6o 2 жыл бұрын

As long ago as 2003.

@zargonthemagnificent330 2 жыл бұрын

This was in a totally meaningless pre-season friendly tournament in Asia and it didn't matter if Jenas had tried to take the penalty blindfolded, backwards, and with both feet tied together. Robson getting upset over trivialities.

@Robin-ie3ns 2 жыл бұрын

Does seem harsh for a friendly match that only existed to make the club some extra £. Jeans was trying to be entertaining after all…

@bluesky4733 2 жыл бұрын

One of the games greats

@paintitpurple0 2 жыл бұрын

How about putting up a HAPPY Bobby Robson video/interview for once, just a thought.

@chrismac2234 2 жыл бұрын

Farewell but not goodbye

@2511dhall 7 ай бұрын

It was a friendly tournament, not a major tournament.

@bowjana8128 3 жыл бұрын

He wasn't there jerMAIN MAN that day thank you and goodnight

@UltimateWarrior206 2 жыл бұрын

I think the term "furious" means something different to me compared to Sky retro. ✌

@michaelmyers4053 2 жыл бұрын

Great Manager from Manchester United fan

@dingopisscreek 3 жыл бұрын

So where is the 'furious' bit?

@foxernator 3 жыл бұрын

Dank Retro Admin strikes again.

@kategreat87dowdall36 2 жыл бұрын

Nobody is perfect, J J IS AS CLOSE AS ONE CAN BE.

@billyfaizzaly 2 жыл бұрын

Rip

@anthonymoody4273 2 жыл бұрын

Jenas should never be mentioned in the same breath as Sir Bobby.

@darthjam69 3 жыл бұрын

Sir Bobby had this great ability of telling his players off but showing the love he had for them all at the same time

@Mod-rw9cw 3 жыл бұрын

Who is Jermaine Jeans did he even play football. I’ve been watching for 50 yrs now and can’t ever remember him playing in a game. He was always on the bench. Bobby was an absolute legend.

@fatcha3669 2 жыл бұрын

Used to play for Newcastle United

@liammay7542 2 жыл бұрын

🙄 its ok not to like the bloke, but trying to change history to suit your narrative isn’t. He played 280 games on the premier league and started 250 of them….. 👌

@Mod-rw9cw 2 жыл бұрын

@@liammay7542 He is still a nobody to me and he was that good I can’t even remember him playing in any games.

@johnwilson8825 3 жыл бұрын

Jermaine jenus wow..i think he is a highly intelligent arrogant individual who likes to think he knows the rub of the green...you make your own mind up ...i have...

@GyitMulhaneski-GloriousYears 2 жыл бұрын

Blimey. What would he make of The One Show (especially his hatchet job on David Dimbleby)?

@timtranslates 2 жыл бұрын

Any evidence that that type of penalty gets saved me often? If not, he shouldn't be furious.

@DIP4K 3 жыл бұрын

Legend 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

@harukrentz435 2 жыл бұрын

And now people are furious about Jenas' punditry at BBC 😂

@honnaconna7312 2 жыл бұрын

Was chased out of Newcastle, never forget

@JOEPHPS 3 жыл бұрын

Jenas still manages to absolutely steal a living on TV

@serarthurdayne9490 3 жыл бұрын

One of the truly great managers

@tomace4898 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine firing this bloke...

@GDI-disc-accepted 2 жыл бұрын

Players miss penalties? No way? Never knew that could happen

@stutheredynwa2019 3 жыл бұрын

Great man Bobby 🙏

@chickenoriental1210 17 күн бұрын

Legend

@carlcopeland702 2 жыл бұрын

Would have been nice to see it

@JohnKobaRuddy 2 жыл бұрын

Right someone tell true Geordie there’s a chance for him to mention bobby one more time

@snowyren5135 2 жыл бұрын

Very fondly remembered at FC Barcelona and from a time when British players and managers were generally held in very high esteem, from a Catalan.

@geoffpoole483 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. He's adored at Ipswich.

@sathesh4019 3 жыл бұрын

I mean it was at a pre-season tournament (Asia Cup), not like he's fucked up a panenka for cup final or something

@seb9093 3 жыл бұрын

Jenas only cared about his pocket! As soon as London came calling he was off!

@nimascolari1508 2 жыл бұрын

I don't see why a paneka is a mistake. I've seen Beckham in a world Cup hit the ball down the middle, medium power and along the ground. Called a "clever penalty." Awful to be honest but if they're in the goal it's a good penalty. Sometimes the GK deserve credit, too.