Summary biography of Sir William Stanier FRS Produced by Tom Stanier, Memento Films Impressions of Sir William Stanier by people who actually knew him including close family members
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@johngreenwood65292 жыл бұрын
Wonderful to hear the first hand accounts of the great man from his family. To my mind our greatest loco engineer, but his man management skills should not be overlooked. He was brought to the LMS to sort it out and he did that brilliantly.
@michaelstanier Жыл бұрын
He's a great man
@martinwelsford13533 жыл бұрын
It is said that Mr Stanier described his Black 5 as "a deuce of a good engine". I doubt many would disagree. Interesting that to be a good CME you had to be an organiser and administrator, as well as an HR enthusiast. A great man. Very glad you bothered to compile this.
@allstufftrainssa36182 жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised that the black 5s are staniers most liked and successful engine
@davidcann43293 жыл бұрын
A fantastic memorial to a fine engineer, what a real pity that the locomotive "Sir Williams Stanier FRS" was not preserved as a real tribute; it was the final development (overseen by Ivatt of course) of the Princess Coronation class.
@philipareed2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most fascinating videos I have ever seen on KZfaq. Actually, I might say, *the* most. Thank you so very much for uploading it.
@marrrtin3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic. When I was 7, my peers were into Marc Bolan or Man Utd, but my hero was Sir William Stanier. Stupid KZfaq algorithm can't tell that as train videos go, this one is rather special. Really nicely made by Tom Stanier. Great intrinsic value, with those family voices and memories which might be lost forever, and produced to a high standard. This deserves many more than 1,500 views. Expanding the title to something like "Sir Wiliam Stanier FRS: A brief family biography Iand mpressions of Sir William Stanier by people who knew him" might help. As for content, I have two slight regrets that it didn't mention his experiment with steam turbines in LMS No 6202, or the 8F, a rugged freight loco designated as a standard by the MoD during the war, as such run all over the country (including in LNER colours) and around the world, where in Turkey they were called "Churchills". Trivia fact: "Sir William Stanier FRS" was rolled out of the works alongside Ivatt's no 10 000, one of the first diesel-electrics on British rails.
@chrisg60862 жыл бұрын
Well said: I agree wholeheartedly.
@chrisg60862 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful insight, not just into the life and work of one of the nation's great engineers, but also into his personality, and a real tribute to the man to see just how warmly he was and is regarded. And yes, the Black 5: much as I love the Duchesses, I think that the Black 5 is the most functionally elegant and timeless steam locomotive (allowing for that oxymoron!) ever to have been designed, and its sheer utility is as outstanding as its visual perfection. Thank you so much for sharing this.
@neildelaney51993 жыл бұрын
This is going to be an historical document, ! there can't be many films made by the family about a true English genius, many thanks indeed
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@lovelypigs2 жыл бұрын
What a treasure to come across such a wonderful account of a great engineer. Sir William Stanier designed the most beautiful locomotives ever, especially the magnificent Coronation class.
@glynwelshkarelian34892 жыл бұрын
A very well done, and exceptionally insightful, film. Thank you. As an aside: I think this is the first time I've seen the running issues of the 114 mph run being talked about properly. The both the Coronation and the Mallard record caused significant repair costs just confirms them as gimmicks..
@hectorpascal2 жыл бұрын
The saddest thing about this most excellent documentary is it reminds us that the era of "The Great Engineer" now seems well and truly over. How many practising British engineers worthy to become an FRS can YOU name from the last 50 years? Most of them are academics.
@robertwbeams99293 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! What a pleasure and an honor it must have been, to work with this Engineer. Well done to the Grandchildren for producing this video. (PS Amethyst was a Jube not a Black 5) !! I didn't know Butterley had a Stanier Museum. How fitting that 46203 is being worked on there. Now on my Must Do list.
@CaseyJonesNumber13 жыл бұрын
Butterley is well worth a visit. They run superb Midland Railway vintage trains on some days too - a great experience.
@tango6nf4772 жыл бұрын
Sir William Stanier, Sir Nigel Gresley, O V Bulleid CBE, and Charles Collett to name but a few are some of Britain's forgotten greats. We owe them a huge debt of gratitude for designing some of the greatest and most beautiful locomotives ever made, and also to those who saved and preserved many of them from the scrappers blowtorch.
@scottmcintosh25112 жыл бұрын
A very well put together film. I have only two complaints; 1, the Stanier 8F 2-8-0 is not mentioned, this is probably the greatest of Stanier's designs and 2, there is no mention of his rolling stock designs, His coaches were arguably the best general service stock produced in the 1930s and his electric trains designed for the Liverpool-Southport and Wirral lines were one of the greatest leaps forward in British carriage design, Stanier was a great railway all-rounder; they trained them well at Swindon.
@bibliotek424 жыл бұрын
That was lovely ,and really interesting to have an insight on the man, and not just his work.
@peterbrown62242 жыл бұрын
It's wonderful that you could commemorate the life of your granduncle like this, for perpetuity.
@Rog54463 жыл бұрын
Stanier's 8F, although built for the LMS was known as Swindon's finest. As a boy, I saw the loco named after him many times, when it was stored at Willesden loco depot.
@jimthorne3043 жыл бұрын
Very interesting presentation. The great man came to our school in around about 1962 and gave a talk, this being facilitated by the fact that our headmaster, one RS Stanier, was a relative of his. I went to this talk, but unfortunately can remember very little of what he said!
@PreservationEnthusiast2 жыл бұрын
He probably told you that steam locos were a thing of the past and needed to be scrapped as soon as possible and replaced by electric and diesels. A prophecy which would come true 6 years later
@darracqboy Жыл бұрын
At my school, I was privileged to meet the great great grandchild of Sir William Stanier. Sadly, there aren’t many 13 year old steam train enthusiasts.
@geoffreyking16343 жыл бұрын
The man who perfected steam locos FACT...,jubes,Scots,duchess Black 5,8F..all legendry designed by a legend
@tuc-dh4df3 жыл бұрын
True, thank god he was trained at Swindon.
@davidwillard73342 жыл бұрын
That WHY ! THE SCOTSMAN !! IS !! SO MUCH !! BETTER !! THAN !! THE !! HELL !! OF ! A !! MESS !! EVER !! HAD !!
@jamesgoacher16062 жыл бұрын
I liked it when someone said that Stannier thought that that an engineer should consider the economics because my boss once said to me, and he was usually a very strait laced person, that a good engineer could do for a shilling what any fucking idiot could do for a pound.
@dovetonsturdee70332 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading so fascinating a video. Coming from Preston, I remember the Black 5s and Big 8s (as we called them) with enormous affection, and can still bring to mind the distinctive sound of the Big 8s hauling their enormous coal trains. I also saw what I believe was one of the last runs of 46256, 'Sir William A. Stanier, FRS' through Farington on, I believe, a Saturday in late September, 1964, as she thundered north towards Preston. White plumes of smoke, a glorious red engine, and a matching rake of red coaches, all resplendent in the sunlight of a warm September, day. WONDERFUL!
@chrisg60862 жыл бұрын
Sadly, I wasn't quite old enough to have seen such sights in period although, as a fellow Prestonian, I can just remember being taken down to the station when I was about 5 (that would have been 1964) and seeing a Duchess, and which I was able to recognise because my eldest brother had the Hornby Dublo version. I've had to make do with 46233 thundering through Moreton-in-Marsh as I stood 6' away, painted LMS maroon and with a suitable rake of maroon coaches. - utterly magnificent!
@steamgent45923 жыл бұрын
Now that was a fantastic program!!!
@DaimlerSleeveValve3 жыл бұрын
The "Stanier" surname is actually a variant of the original occupational surname "Stonehewer". This brilliant man dealt in a different solid material.
@mrobertson-cook26022 жыл бұрын
Absolutely wonderful..........what an incredible human being, I have many books about him and his work but this portrays a beautiful personal perspective. Ehank you ...........Mike
@rossbryan610211 ай бұрын
AS AN AMERICAN RAILROADER SINCE 1964 WITH MECHANICAL WORKINGS WITH BOTH DIESEL AND STEAM POWER I FOUND THIS VIDEO TO BE QUITE FASCINATING!! A GOOD BIT OF HOW, WHO, AND WHAT! ON OUR SIDE OF THE POND AT THE ATCHISON TOPEKA & SANTA FE, ORRIS BILGER WAS THE GO TO GUY , BEING MOST FAMOUS FOR UPGRADING ELDERLY LOCOMOTIVES WITH NEWER COMPONENTS TO KEEP THEM VIABLE UNTIL LATE IN OUR STEAM ERA! KEEP THEM ROLLING ,BROTHERS!! 👍👍
@martentrudeau69482 жыл бұрын
Sir William Stanier left a great legacy to the British, and a great story.
@steamsearcher2 жыл бұрын
Superb and so lovely that he is so loved by the family and members are still interested in Railways. Myself have just welcomed into the workshop a beautifully made Black Five tender chassis for my 5 inch gauge models. Yes we are building 2 of them. I worked with a member of the Wittle family and was told of his association with Frank. The 8 F boiler is pure Hawksworth County so this is why they made so many for the war effort... Swindon was ready. Love David and Lily.
@mossmonaco90615 жыл бұрын
Splendid! Thank you Tom. The mannequin seems an odd choice, perhaps it might be modified to talk (Thunderbirds) using old recordings of WS so lending a more meaningful sympathetic presentation.
@johncourtneidge2 жыл бұрын
Well done! Very enjoyable! Thank-you! A nice surprise.
@lawrencebrown36772 жыл бұрын
A great documentary. I loved the 2 classes of heavy locomotives designed for express passenger trains and their marine livery.At Tamworth where there is a curve and at the spot where train spotters stood ,you could hear the locos rumbling away with a very distinctive sound so you knew what was coming before you saw it.I used to there with a friend on numerous occasions and have so many memories. of the time spent there.
@BackwardFinesse3 жыл бұрын
A very enjoyable and interesting video about a great engineer. A small criticism is old film clips shot in 4:3 aspect ratio were stretched to fit on 16:9, giving oval boilers and very long, low engines - a pity.
@wolfie8542 жыл бұрын
The oval squashed boilers do look very odd.
@gileragfr1254 жыл бұрын
great video tom your great uncle sir William stanier im opinion designed the best steam locos this country have produced
@TERRYBARTLETTRAILMAN28 Жыл бұрын
Its Nice to learn about Sir William Stanier and his beautiful Locomotives I had travelled behind his Black Fives filmed them plus his other engines he designed
@kleedhamhobby2 жыл бұрын
I'm rather surprised that this documentary doesn't even mention the 8F, since it could easily be argued that this was one of William Stanier's most significant and important designs for the LMS, if not the most important. Over 800 were built. They were initially the standard freight locomotive during the war, and formed the basis for the WD 'austerity' design. They served overseas in many countries, and continued to do significant work right up to the end of steam on BR. Was William Stanier not as proud of these as of his other designs? That seems hard to credit.
@FatSlugTV2 жыл бұрын
Delightful. Thank you.
@patdoyle36862 жыл бұрын
The Trains we travel today are thanks to people of this history story marvellous hard working folk
@johncollins80712 жыл бұрын
A truly excellent video.
@Pmjs2 жыл бұрын
I always liked the Black 5s saw them at my Home Depot Edinburgh Waverley.
@trek520rider22 жыл бұрын
Interesting to note that the 'a' in Stanier is short; as train spotters we always pronounced it with a long 'a'.
@davids84492 жыл бұрын
My Grandfather worked for the GWR in the 1920s till late 1960s as fitter he always told interesting stories about the railway I have one of his GWR steam train manuals with fold out illustrations showing how to service the brakes etc from the 1930s
@neville132bbk2 жыл бұрын
In NZ I have only said it with a long "a"...now I know better :-)
@davidwillard73342 жыл бұрын
AT LEAST YOUR GRANDAD !. WORKED FOR !.GODS ! WONDERFULL !!.UNLIKE !.THE !! HELL !! OF ! A !! MESS !! STANIEIER !! BELONGED !! TOO !!
@Castlebridge-003 жыл бұрын
That was very interesting, thanks for putting it together. I have a Duchess and Blak 5 on my LMS model Railway. Barry.Devon
@nicholaslewis60653 жыл бұрын
Well produced and fascinating
@ses10662 жыл бұрын
For those of us at a distance, LMS is the acronym of "London, Midlands and Scottish", indicating the rough areas of service for that railway!
@jimthorne3043 жыл бұрын
One point that may be relevant, I believe the LMS were sufficiently impressed by the GWR Castle locos that they wanted to licence the design, which the GW refused to do. So conceivably, since the LMS couldn't get the Castles, they took someone from the design team instead!
@CaseyJonesNumber13 жыл бұрын
I understood it that the LMS requested that the GWR built something 50 Castles for them, but the GWR didn't have the capacity to do so in the timescale required, and in any case there was legislation forbidding one railway company from building equipment for another (but they could buy from a manufacturer, as many did). There was, however, no legislation preventing one railway company from providing drawings of its finest products to another...
@bruceanderton15183 жыл бұрын
An interesting programme, unfortunately spoiled by presenting archive film in an incorrect ratio (ie 4:3 streched out to wide screen). The usual mix-up also between Black Fives, "Jubilees" and 8Fs in the moving images.
@Daytona22 жыл бұрын
An insightful biography, thank you. (KZfaq's wonderful algorithm bought me here)
@1258-Eckhart Жыл бұрын
I'm not really a steam buff, but Stanier engines always appealed to me more than any others. So It's strange that people don't speak of him more often - the talk is rather of Gresley or even of Bulleid. It was an inspired move by the LMS to headhunt him for CME after grouping. He had what may be called a "dream career". Oh, and just a quick shout-out for the LMS permanent way department, which had installed such robust points and crossovers at Crewe that 400 tons of train could traverse them at twice the design speed without major incident.
@Martin-lr1qn Жыл бұрын
Why are they called Black Fives? I've always understood that it was to distinguish them from the Red Fives - ie. Jubilees - which were introduced nearly simultaneously and were originally given the power classification 5XP (express passenger). Jubilees got LMS passenger red paint jobs, Black Fives less fancy black. Didn't work, of course, after Jubes were reclassified to 6P5F. (And a very nice film - thanks very much!)
@alanswallow90333 жыл бұрын
Can’t beat the Stanier stance of steam locomotive!
@Kurswagen5 жыл бұрын
thanks for this great movie / document
@jrb_sland50662 жыл бұрын
Expanding the width of a 4:3 image to fill the screen so that circles become ovals distorts the picture. Please present your archival footage IN ITS ORIGINAL ASPECT RATIO! There is no shame in black borders...
@MrPete1x2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you for showing this
@johnclayden16702 жыл бұрын
Charming: fascinating and charming.
@busterbiloxi38332 жыл бұрын
Excellent documentary.
@johngreally95992 жыл бұрын
This is great, but generationally great as well. Good upon good.
@johnjephcote76362 жыл бұрын
The GW had refused to supply the LMS with Castle drawings; as a result they had the Scots built by North British Loco.
@davidwillard73342 жыл бұрын
THE !!HELL OF !! A ! MESS ! CAN ! GO ! AND !! SHOVE !! IT !! IM GLAD ! GODS ! WONDERFULL ! STAYED ! THE ! WAY ! THEY ! WERE !!
@billoddy56375 ай бұрын
Comment 100. 21:05 What is the name of the book on Economics of Engineering? It could be very useful today for fighting climate change.
@markbraley3116 жыл бұрын
I like and love the Black Five.
@geoffreyking45152 жыл бұрын
The jube was just that bit better mark
@TickledFunnyBone2 жыл бұрын
Was it said how he became a 'sir'?
@thomasburke26832 жыл бұрын
T F B One assumes that he was knighted by King George 6th.
@mplusm76253 жыл бұрын
legend
@josephpearson40552 жыл бұрын
Very good!
@HiltonBenchley3 жыл бұрын
Splendid stuff.
@fouloleron20023 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@LolLol-xy4rh2 жыл бұрын
But what about Williams enemy’s
@Jay-hg2ec2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where he is buried?
@RoyCousins2 жыл бұрын
No, but his home was "Newburn", Chorleywood Road, Rickmansworth.
@thomasburke26832 жыл бұрын
@@RoyCousins So he lived in metroland, wedged between the GWR and the LMS. Very diplomatic!
@user-zt1er1uj6i2 жыл бұрын
The first question should be, You don't have a spare watch I could borrow? 😉
@johnbuoy14013 жыл бұрын
He wasn’t in Star Trek? 🙂
@tuc-dh4df3 жыл бұрын
Made in Swindon.
@petermolloy61423 жыл бұрын
But perfected at Crewe!
@tuc-dh4df3 жыл бұрын
@@petermolloy6142 With original drawings.
@Andrew-gv4bh3 жыл бұрын
👏👏🙂
@Paulie52UK2 жыл бұрын
Shame that when we are told about the Black Five we are shown a Jubilee, Amethyst. Sorry to be pedantic.
@busterbiloxi38332 жыл бұрын
Not to knock it or anything, but what was so great about the Great Western Railway?
@thomasburke26832 жыл бұрын
The G W R was God's Wonderful Railway. Indeed it still would be, if it didn't treat passengers with contempt, expecting them to endure inter city journeys on suburban seats of Hitachi trains.
@davidwillard73342 жыл бұрын
It was GODS ! WONDERFULL !! BECAUSE !! THE !! HELL !! OF !! A !! MESS !! WERE !! ALL !! FULL !! OF DIRT !! AND !! FLITH !!! RAILWAY !! THAT !! THE !! U.K !! EVER !! HAD !! FOR ! A !! RAILWAY !! COMPANY !!
@davidwillard73342 жыл бұрын
WHAT !! STAINEIR !! DID ! TO ROBERT !! WHITELEGGS ;! LOCOMOTIVES !! WAS !! AN ! ABSOLUTE !! DISGRACE !! I WILL !! NEVER !! FORGIVE !! YOU ! IN !! ANY !!WAY !!! WHATSOEVER !!! STAINEIR !!!! YOU !! AND !! THE !! HELL !! OF !! A !! MESS !! RAILWAYS !!! TOO !!!