Sirius Archery | ORION Arrow Review: MICRO-DIAMETER to the MAX!

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@twaho 3 жыл бұрын

I used that bohning blue hot melt, you can use boiling water to melt the glue and pull the inserts out, good stuff to use if you want to alter your arrows for another bow or something

@GrizzAxxemann 3 жыл бұрын

My BiL got me hooked on that stuff. I like it so much I bought a 1 pound brick to be set up for years!

@jasonbonikowske5121 10 ай бұрын

Great point about the quiver and micro diameter arrows fitting into them. Never thought of that.

@drested1793 3 жыл бұрын

It’s my understanding the straightness of an arrow is only measured over a 28” span by the manufacturer. That’s why cutting both ends is effective. The length of your arrow makes it kind of impossible to remove enough from either end.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Spine is measured over the 28". Runout for straightness is measured at the full length. Otherwise they could falsely advertise arrows at certain straightness tolerances.

@timl8302 Жыл бұрын

Um, He did that for finding the spine for Trad Bows not compounds. He uses the RF Test Kit incl. various various field points to find the proper spine for your bow/arrow set up. He also, bare shaft tunes each arrow. Oh, FYI FOLKS: Spine marked on the arrows are based on 28". so if you shoot a longer arrow (IMHO-29.5/30+). You may need to go to a stiffer spine. Check the spine chart on your arrow. The opposite for shorter length arrows (IMHO 26.5-27ish inches). PS The Orions are doing very well in my testing vs Apollos. Oh, hey!! We do also have one other thing in common. We both really like Black Hornets & Stingers.

@mariahpennell3628 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video! Keep them coming Jack. Your channel is one of my favorites.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

@elkhunterbill5087 Жыл бұрын

Excellent review! Great take-aways from this - Thank YOU very much. I just purchased the Victory VAP SS Elite 300 spine shafts and will be building arrows soon. I shoot the deadly Magnus 100 grain Black Hornet and Balzer 2" vanes as well. I hope to get excellent accuracy and KE. Shooting Mathews VXR 31.5, 70lb, 30" draw, 29" arrow, 50 grain outsert. Expecting 475 grain finished arrow.

@davidholliday2703 3 жыл бұрын

Nate, liked the collaboration vid with Ranch Fairy while wearing The Hunting Public tee shirt. We need more of this from you guys. Thanks!

@longshotdiedtired1582 Жыл бұрын

Just a suggestion but if you do mess the inserts up with epoxy you can soak them in paint striper to get them loose do not throw them away , will ruin your carbon arrow but you can save the inserts

@dhooter 10 ай бұрын

Me personally the Easton FMJ 5mm are hard hard to beat. Always pass through damn straight and pull effortlessly from any target

@40beretta1 3 жыл бұрын

Don't know how I missed this Bow'vlog. Your reference to shorter draw and weight stuck a cord, are daughter was just recently sized for new arrows when we had our Bows tuned up. The Arrows I believe are Beman. No particular reason for the brand...they were on the clearance table. She's 1/2" taller, her strength has increased. These arrows are much smaller in Dia. than anything in her kit. They up'd her draw wt., these new arrows hit hard, and her grouping is tighter. I'm going to take a Sirius look at the Orion & Vulcan arrows for 2021 hunting season

@kylepacheco3818 3 жыл бұрын

What a great, well put together video! Thank you

@brycehiigel235 3 жыл бұрын

Just ordered the Orion 300 spine today before I saw this video. They were extremely helpful and gave me a good setup to try. Looking forward to try them.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

@SchollZee 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly I got these about a month ago due to this video and me getting a new bow (80lb PSE EVL34) and I was so excited. I only got 6 to test out and boy am I glad I did. I paid for .001 straightness, hand squaring, component installation, and spine aligning. I swear they spun like .006 arrows from grande mountain. They were drawing figure 8s. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and un-installed the ethics components to see if maybe they were just not installed great but the things still spun like garbage

@codybruursema8377 2 жыл бұрын

You cut your losses or finally get them spinning good? I just recently bought 18 of these thinking they looked like an awesome arrow to play with. Decided to run the ethics components and they were spinning awful tbh. I thought it was the components even though I've ran ethics on other arrows in the past and never had a problem. Just pulled the posts out cut about 1/8 of an inch off the shafts resquared and decided to spin the bare shafts. Now I'm watching them wobble right in front of me. I've run out of room to cut any shorter and don't want to try another insert option just for it to be the shafts. Pretty disappointing tbh I'm hoping this is just a bad batch but I don't know what to do with these at this point.

@MatthewSmith-ju6fl 3 жыл бұрын

Really great review. Thanks. I’m shooting the Easton fmj injexion 400s with the titanium halfouts right now. They’ve performed really well for me but only if I shoot a 100gr head. I went to a 125 and I think it was just too much for the 400. looking at moving to a 300 for next yr. I only shoot a 27” arrow and pulling 70lbs so I might give these a try. I’m in PA as well. Good luck late season. I just killed a doe on Sat. I always Love to save a tag and get out in the cold!

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats!!!

@dfinan6404 3 жыл бұрын

Purchased these arrows based on your video. The 250's shoot great out of my 55 lb recurve off the self.

@brockpeck7073 3 жыл бұрын

I just seen a few weeks ago they added these micro arrows to the website

@brettconway4789 3 жыл бұрын

Sirius makes some awesome stuff, they always blow my mind

@HickLif3 3 жыл бұрын

So I have a couple thoughts, the first is would this technically count as a tapered arrow with the larger point out front and the smaller diameter shaft? I think it would accomplish the same goal of having the back end thinner than the insert. Also one thing I just thought of about the ranch fairy process of tuning the arrow to the bow is that this could allow you to use the exact same bow with different weight arrows and if you have a sight with a dove tail you could just swap out the sight depending on the arrow so you don't have to retune the bow and redo your sight tape every time you want to go from a hog arrow or a deer arrow. It would add a couple hundred extra bucks to the setup but it would save a tone of time. Also a lot of people have different bows for different hunting situations so that could actually end up saving money

@mattthadd4663 3 жыл бұрын

Thinking about getting these and testing em against my Black Eagle X Impacts

@pkile1 3 жыл бұрын

I was looking at victory...I may give these a try instead

@greenhoodedvigilante458 3 жыл бұрын

What about recurve? Can't change the draw weight. If I want to get more FOC, putting heavy weight in front, like putting heavy brass insert and heavy point, let's say 100 grain brass insert and 150, total 250 grains weight, that really weaken the spine. So, should I use more stiffer spine arrows? Most spine charts don't show point weight for spine over 150 grains.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Recurve is not nearly as energy efficient or forceful. Unless you're shooting over 45# at a decent draw length of 29"+, I wouldn't worry.

@MrDocProfPj 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic video as always, I’ve seen many people use hot wax but when I asked to do it at a pro shop they said that’s idiotic because shooting it in the targets will cause it to melt cause friction and things will pull out, im not sure I believe them

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

That's a giant steaming pile of nonsense. Hot melt has literally been a shop staple for inserts for decades. I myself have used it for nearly 20 years and never have had an issue other than user error.

@aaronunderwood3545 2 жыл бұрын

Been shooting the hunting public vector HMR micro diameter arrows. I’m about to buy some of these Orion’s. Only because the shaft weight of the HMR is crazy. Like 12.8GPI. The Orion’s are much lighter. I’m at 725 grains right now. Bones don’t stop em at all if I pull one. But I think I’m gonna bump down to 600 grain and higher FOC for these Orion’s.

@micahdunleavy9227 Жыл бұрын

You must have been bitten by the ranch ferry…

@longislandwanderers Жыл бұрын

@@micahdunleavy9227 I just like finding my arrows in the dirt every time lol

@oldfatnugly 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting, i passed on sirius because of the high gpi, this changes things.

@stevenwalker9013 Жыл бұрын

I am a 70lb draw with a 28.5 draw. I have always shot a 300 spine. I’m right on the line of 250 to 300 on spine chart. Which would you choose.? Was thinking of spining up to 250. But, I will be shooting 28.5 inch arrow with a high 400s weight. Never shot the micros and want to get the right spine.

@sheldonwhitcher4711 3 жыл бұрын

The ethics inserts are cut off not break off. That is to elevate the insert from breaking inside the shaft over its life. Something to think about interns of adjusting your bow to shoot the arrow weight you want. You don’t change a rifle to shoot a certain bullet weight you change the components of the ammo like your powder but not the rifle (bow)

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Using the comparison of, "not changing the bow because I can't change my gun" is about as relavent as saying, "I don't change the oil in my car because I can't change the oil in my bike". Arguably the worst apple to oranges comparisons I wish folks would stop trying to make.

@sheldonwhitcher4711 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery I didn’t say you CAN’T change a gun. I said you DON’T change a rifle. If your bow is straight and in time why would you change it to shoot a certain arrow build? Why not change arrow weight and spine to shoot right with your bow. You and the bow are the the only 2 constants in the whole process. Keep that the same and find what works best with those constants.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

"The only two constants"? Arrow. Zero moving parts. Bow. At least 10, and quite violently. Human body. Unlimited angle and range potential. Yet the arrow is the inconsistent thing here...?

@sheldonwhitcher4711 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery when someone is using properly adjusted bow and a good comfortable stance. That gives you the repeatable shot. Why would you bend the bow “adjust bow including adjusting cam timing” to an arrow. The bow should be adjusted to and tuned to the shooter not the arrow to have the best set up resulting in more consistent repeatable shots.

@canadoescalling1800 3 жыл бұрын

Who makes the bow stand/bow pod on your Kure? Thanks for sharing always great info!!

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

That is Magnus BowPod. It is sadly no longer in production.

@renatugaming5730 3 жыл бұрын

do you suggest using a smaller diameter arrow for outdoor shooting? I don't plan on shooting indoor but might as well get 5 months of practice for outdoor!

@TheSpeyfisher 2 жыл бұрын

Jack, can you change the spine on a arrow in relationship to weight? Example; Take a 340 arrow and shorten the shaft by x-amount to turn it into a 300 spine like shaft? I get confused with the relationship of length. I wrote before that I have a 29 inch draw. Shooting 58-pounds. My broadheads are 125 grains which I use SEVR broadheads. Because of the length of the broadhead approximately 2 inches less the screw in part, that means my overall length is 31 inches! Does this change my spine? Do I shorten my arrow to compensate for the increase length.??????? Sorry for a long and drawn out question? God bless and thank you Jack..... Mike

@mattthadd4663 3 жыл бұрын

Footers are a pain in my bag targets too. I don’t think temp has to do with it. Bags are just a Royal pain

@Petermanchannel9 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review! I have been trying a ton of different arrows. I am curious, with your draw length why do you only shoot 60 lbs?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

At 31" of draw if I need anything over 60# to kill a whitetail, then I have some SERIOUS problems I need to address. Haha! 60# is plenty for anything on the planet at my draw length.

@Petermanchannel9 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery makes total sense! I’m a 27.5 so I need every lb I can get.

@case8987 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery I just switched to 60lbs on my new bow and honestly don’t know why I didn’t before. I had zero issues pulling 70 and could even pull 80 if I wanted to but man, 60lbs is so much more enjoyable to shoot and especially drawing on those cool mornings with 3-4 layers on.

@TheWVgoodguy22 3 жыл бұрын

Since I run a whisker biscuit I don't believe I will go with micro diameter Shaft arrows. I have the RF test kit and an Easton small diameter fletching jig. I have been debating on which arrows to go with. Whether it be the Sirius Apollo, Black Eagles, Victorys, Gold Tip or Easton. I am also interested in either the Ethics Archery 🏹 spinning inserts to help with arrow planing while using fixed blade broadheads or going with the system that you just showed us?

@renatugaming5730 3 жыл бұрын

I've been thinking on switching to carbon, the only thing I have against it is that carbon cracks. Any idea why this can happen so I can prevent it happening? It's probably the most common damage I get when I'm shooting carbon arrows, I rarely get a torn fletching, a nock coming off, or a point getting loose if the glue job is done right.

@TheRoedeerhunter 2 жыл бұрын

If it's possible can you compare this arrow to the Black Eagle X-impact. I have heard that's the best 166 arrow on the market.

@robstofberg1 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jack when you go out hunting, do you use the setup on this video? Bow, front and back stabilizers? I only shoot recreational (no bow hunting here) so I was wondering.... I would expect only a short front stabilizer and as foremost you would use these arrows for hunting or 3D?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's my full hunting rig in the video! And yes these arrows are 99% for hunting and 3D.

@lukestephens7896 3 жыл бұрын

AJ at about 6:39 you talk about breaking down the "dynamic spine". Can you explain that? I am somewhere in limbo between heavy/high foc and not at the moment and trying to come to a good arrow weight. I was under the impression that a 250 or 300 arrow would be plenty of spine to support a 200+ point weight??

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Check out this video! Hopefully it'll answer your questions... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pc-aqdV2uLLWgHk.html

@johnshort4421 Жыл бұрын

Do you use foam only targets for these micro diameter arrows and other bag type targets for other non-sleeved arrows? I have serious issues with all arrows, either store bought or self built, just standard .244 arrows, 10-12gr inserts and field points, with the grabbing of stuffing and faces, especially the bag “weave” type. I just want a setup that I can use one target for all arrows and not dread shooting because it’s so hard to pull them back out. What’s a good solution for having a slick arrow shaft at the pointy end? Great videos and I love them all!

@averagejackarchery Жыл бұрын

I predominantly shoot them into a Morrell High Roller all foam target.

@kevinfox2370 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Jack, I'm in the experimental phase of building arrows. Have you tried Ethics spinning inserts? I'm curious to the companies claims.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

I get a lot of questions about them! Apparently I need to get my hands on some to make a video...

@markwarner.03 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Will these take a normal thread pitch head or do you need smaller diameter heads?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Nope! Standard thread points. Field point size diameter is 5/16".

@markwarner.03 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery love it! Thank you for the reply!

@stick__shooter 3 жыл бұрын

I tried the VAP SS and they were super tough and flew well. I actually needed to go down to a 350 spine from a 300 running 175 grains up front for my 28.5” draw length. Great arrows, but couldn’t find an advantage over the standard shafts, and outserts were a pain to get spinning well. Back to the good old Vforce gamers for me, standard inserts, and FACT weights to fine tune front weight where I want it.

@jeremyballeck9098 3 жыл бұрын

Did I miss the link to the lighted nocks you use?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

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@jaminberg9323 2 жыл бұрын

hold on, wait a minute. is that a Nebraska Cornhusker mousepad? GBR even though we suck now. Are you affiliated with Nebraska in anyway?

@averagejackarchery 2 жыл бұрын

Nope! Yard sale purchase from someone here in PA. LOL!

@jaminberg9323 2 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery in my best Wooderson voice - be a lot cooler if you did

@TXBowhunter84 Жыл бұрын

I’m torn between the Orion and Apollo. Which would you recommend?

@averagejackarchery Жыл бұрын

Both very different for their applications. I have nothing negative to say about either!

@chrisweidenfeller4737 2 жыл бұрын

Did I see you twisting your peep sight a couple of times? Why wouldn't you fix that?

@wrobo6122 3 жыл бұрын

Good information!

@JoshSmith-md8cd 3 жыл бұрын

Hot melt? Where can I buy it? Another question AJA I’m shooting 430 grains with 50 grains inserts, 100 grains point 400 spine 62 pounds 27 inch draw. Everyone says I’m underspined.. am I?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

You're definitely pushing the last nite of your spine. I wouldn't give it a full underspined stamp but it's darn close. Also, that's OMP hot melt sticks. Can be found online usually. Or just buy low temp craft hot glue sticks. Don't get high temp or "extra strength". They're no good for carbon arrows.

@ronmacdougall9612 3 жыл бұрын

I’m trying to decide on length,I’m going to be shooting very sharp fixed blade broadheads,I want to be at least a half inch past the bow.And I’m going with 100 gr. Insert.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

I always go 1" over draw length with standard arrows if possible. For me, that's not always possible at 31" draw, but normal folks it works great.

@ronmacdougall9612 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery so how long are the inserts themselves for 100 gr.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't measure the part that actually sticks out of the arrow. I imagine with the footer it adds at least another 1/2" to the length.

@ronmacdougall9612 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery ty

@jonathanmiller3613 3 жыл бұрын

Man great video. Looking to move to these this year. Is there enough room for a 4 fletch?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Not much. .166 can be 4 Fletch but with little offset or helical.

@jonathanmiller3613 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery Thanks for replying! Was looking at doing a 2.5 degree right helical. I figured it might be tight though

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

If you run some small vanes like 1.75"s or 1.5"s you might be able to get away with it! But I don't think you could get away with even 2" like Blazers or AAE Pro Hunters.

@jonathanmiller3613 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery I know this was 6 months ago but I finally pulled the trigger on a half dozen of these. I love them! Came right in at 469 grains. Everything in your video is right now (especially about them snagging in bag targets!) Did you ever get a chance to use them on any animals?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanmiller3613 Hopefully this Fall!

@flushot6513 3 жыл бұрын

Looking at getting the 204 s

@justinberry5648 Жыл бұрын

I’m shooting a Hoyt ventum with a 30 inch draw, 72 lbs dw, I am looking at orions with a 110 grain insert with a 100 grain broadhead. Will the 300 spine handle that alright or should I step up to the 250?

@averagejackarchery Жыл бұрын

Go 250.

@Shiwwy 3 жыл бұрын

Bro, what's your opinion on Black Eagle arrows. Did u shot Rampage or Spartans?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

I have never shot BE stuff. They're not popular in my area whatsoever so I've never had the opportunity to fiddle around with them.

@jimbob7332 11 ай бұрын

if I wanted to be around 430 wit this arrow what insert and collar would work best?

@justinmailloux549 3 жыл бұрын

How did they spin on an arrow spinner? I’m currently shooting Element Storms and a third of the dozen I got jumped around a bit.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

At .0015 straightness they're spinning like tops just like they did in the video!

@buckfever4721 Жыл бұрын

Do you have to use the sleeves?

@mathewritchison6396 2 жыл бұрын

Those wicked tricks are nasty heads. Best blood trails I've ever had with a fixed blade. Quit using them because they don't offer replacement blades.

@robertdeis132 3 жыл бұрын

Do you consider arrows an actual accessory for a bow or a different piece of archery equipment?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Arrows are never accessories, they're minimum 50% of the operation!

@robertdeis132 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery Nate, i'm glad you feel the same. I view them as it's own entity. My question is aside from broad heads, can you get away with cheap components on an arrow?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

@@robertdeis132 I usually stick with the components that are stock with the arrow. Victory makes the best stock components straight out of the package in my opinion, but Ethics is a clear winner when it comes to premium.

@kadepoole313 3 жыл бұрын

Hey I’m looking at trying these out. I shoot an Elite Kure at 26 inch draw, 70lbs, and 80% let off. Would this arrow be good for me to shoot around 450 grains to 500 grains, with A FOC around 21+? I’m looking at the 300 spine, cut to 27 inches, with around a 125gr insert with a 100gr fixed blade.

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

I think these arrows are an excellent choice for someone looking to push FOC over the "Ashby Level" of 19% or more! I'm a big fan of hunting arrows between 450-500 grains so I really don't think you could go wrong.

@kadepoole313 3 жыл бұрын

I believe I’m just going to build an arrow between those number and then just tune my elite to shoot them. Do these need a specific broadhead size? I’ve looked at the Black Eagle Carnivore series with 18.5 FOC.

@johnchandler5689 3 жыл бұрын

I just got mine delivered! About to go shoot them for the first time!!

@darrind8697 3 жыл бұрын

At what weight do the posts break off at ?? ie by 10 grains per section or 5 grains etc so i guess what is the range of weight you can adjust and by what number does it adjust ?? cheers

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

10 grain sections.

@darrind8697 3 жыл бұрын

thank you .

@joevandivner9704 2 жыл бұрын

I no this is an older video but what lighted nocks are you running in the .166? I’m having a hard time finding anything that looks decent just curious what you are running?

@averagejackarchery 2 жыл бұрын

Nocturnal. No complaints from me!

@joevandivner9704 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that info. One other question. Did u have to insert tune those inserts and sleeves to get no wobble? Thanks for your help. I just got a dozen and just trying to figure these out it’s my first time with .166 and the sleeve system

@cooterbrown1703 Жыл бұрын

Does the hotmelt hold good for pulling out of a target?

@averagejackarchery Жыл бұрын

I've had hot melt hold better than some super glues and epoxies. Trust it with my proverbial archery life!

@smokinfast7092 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure how a .166 arrow will shoot the same as a .246 arrow without adjusting your rest .

@rahimi420fr 3 жыл бұрын

Great video always I have questions I'm shooting 70lb 28 what arrows you recommend to get foc

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Light GPI. Somewhere in the 8s. A GT Velocity in 300 would suit the bill and then whatever weight you put in the front end will be killer. Same with VAP from Victory. The Orion are also and excellent option as shown here if you have the coin.

@rahimi420fr 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery I want something like 450g or 480g total arrows weight

@rahimi420fr 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery what about the sirius archery arrow which would you recommend

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

@@rahimi420fr Like I said, the Orion shown here is a great FOC option.

@rahimi420fr 3 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery I checked out the website they out of stainless

@eriklarson84 3 жыл бұрын

How does the strength of this shaft compare with the Apollo?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Great question and seeing as I haven't put it through its paces yet, I have no idea. But time and tests will tell!

@cob9844 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have to have a sleeve, I would prefer just an insert

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Depends on the system. This Orion uses the sleeve to help gap the threads on field points and broadheads.

@greekmaster1001 2 жыл бұрын

What lighted nocks you using?

@JJ-qy8xu 3 жыл бұрын

Do the arrows require a different thread on the broadhead?

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Nope! These are standard thread inserts.

@lanetaglio 2 жыл бұрын

Anything but AVERAGE,....great presentation skills and pacing! Thanks for your expertise.

@guidograziani5799 2 жыл бұрын

Can you get a nock pin for the Orion shaft, excuse my ignorance.

@averagejackarchery 2 жыл бұрын

They will work with the victory or GT pin nock systems. They all have the same ID of .166. Good question!

@guidograziani5799 2 жыл бұрын

@@averagejackarchery Thanks, much appreciated. Keep up the good work, your videos are very informative and professional. Well done!

@fivicskoreaX10 3 жыл бұрын

good!

@trevorlawson1714 2 жыл бұрын

Are these woven shafts?

@averagejackarchery 2 жыл бұрын

These ones are not woven.

@Sophocles13 3 жыл бұрын

This "cutting off both ends" stuff is nonsense IMO. If those shafts truly have a runout of *one thou* over a ~30" distance, you're not going to make a nit of difference taking an inch or so off either end. Think about it guys. This is a composite tube with an OD of .246. Do you _really_ think taking material off _both_ ends instead of _one_ is going to make a damn bit of difference, especially considering environmentals and that in use it'll have weight hung off one end and be subjected to acceleration up to over 300fps in an instant, and even faster deceleration depending on what it hits? Have you seen the deflection even the stiffest shafts undergo when leaving a compound bow? You would be _much_ better served putting that time and effort into practicing your form than determining how to nip your shafts... in my humble opinion.