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LMFAO PLEASE

Lmaoo

I feel bad i got a chuckle out of this-

So, you mean that this is a sick beat?

EXPLAIN PLEASE

@@annamccallum2415 wow, thanks for explaining

sam the казах it's also referencing the fact that henry was a pedophile. he was in his 30's and katherine was 13, hence major to *minor.*

@@XD-hu5ij :0

@@edgarallanpoe209 Also if you think about it, C to D is likely a reference to...certain anatomy :|

Because it's completely wrong to her life? Do yourself a favor and read "Young, Damned, and Fair." You'll see that this song's notion of Katherine as some moldable, no opinions of her own idiot is completely wrong.

meginmd I’m not really gonna do a paragraph about this but it did take some creative license, however she was sexually involved with Mannox at like 12-13 and that will most certainly fuck a kid up. Also her life in general was pretty rough. Her mother died, and her father was basically broke. She grew up in what was basically an orphanage for noble children.

meginmd no matter how strong a child is they won’t take too well a sexual relationship with an adult lmao

@meginmind you do have to keep in mind works like this take creative spins on things like this. hamilton is another example. its not meant to completely mirror the real history. its a work of historical fiction.

Alice Walls it is but it is something I don’t think people want think about so ignore it but the thought that all that is happening in most of the song is so bad is in the back of there hair

It sounds the same to me Dx am I missing something?

Das is good. Ooh Ja

@@astrowiz3544 the vocals are super clean and listening to that bass, is just great.

Better sounding vocals (not voice, actual quality) than mean girls, which is a BROADWAY show. *karen, could you get a bit closer to the mic PLEASE*

It’s a studio recording. Did you guys expect bad quality for something that costs a ton of money to organise and record?

Yes, this song has very simple language to show how young she was. It really demonstrates that these.. things were monsters, especially Mannox in my opinion. The line “Taught me all about dynamics” is implying that she though this was normal/okay *because of Mannox.*

Playtime's over = Please, I'm so hurt.

Also I'm pretty sure "Playtime's over" also is referring to her leaving each person. As in I'm done having sex ("Playtime")with you.

@@Trash_Gremlin. nope it’s playtime’s over Becuse as again she was young and at the end of the song it’s more haunting more then ever Becuse it was the end for her and yet nobody stopped Thomas from betraying her nobody stopped Henry manix from being a bastard nobody stopped Henry the 8th from doing this to her in fact nobody bloody warned her and tired to stop the men and yet the poor girl was left to get hit with the realization on her own tbh I can’t even comprehend what she felt during her last hours

She was 19 when she was beheaded

✍️don’t✍️trust✍️men✍️

@@korova.mp3321 ✍️don't✍️trust✍️

✍️don’t ✍️

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Fun fact, a friend of mine has an ex named Henry who used girls etc.... *i wonder where we've heard that before*

Me too but when you get to the last one you can just hear a pin drop

she's picking up on the pattern. she adds more of the "oh, this again" vibe to it.

It's similar to Ann's song every "what wasni ment to do" becoming more and more desperate and scared

YES AND HOW THE WORDING CHANGED FROM "i think this guy is diffrent" TO "maybe its not so diffrent"

FOUR CHORUSES

But its siiiiiiiiiiiiix

But it's 6 mins

It says almost seven

@@kaisen4472 yea ik

I cry and bop to it-

It is sad because they were just using

*her

Same. :(

@@twistedwonderlandfreak5810 same😔

Yes

wOaH

OH GOD I JUST KNEW-

Omg. At fiat i was like no i cant here it but then i rewound it by 5 secind n listened again. It was weird but satisfying ngl

I’m deaf by my left ear 😞

Yes, because it seems like a term used in a puberty talk or something. That’s really observant of u

@Marshmallow 15 she wasn’t 22 she was barely even 20 she was 17-19 when she died

@@the_only_unicorn0877 she was 18-19 when she died actually

17 actually

Ok based of the replies to this, theres clearly soen confusion about when she died. So for now, let's just say she was in between the ages of 17-22 when she died and we dont know her exact death age ok? Cool

Yea she was 17

Why must you do this to my already broken heart?

Lodged the axe to her back? That's Mary of Scots

It was a single swing that killed her.

@@mshilton oh really? Thanks. I can use that for my report. Do you have a reference a can use? Also fun fact: I’m related to Mary of Scotts!! That’s why I chose her for the report

That was very sad, she was only 19 and she got Groomed by two people

ok that was clever

Omg lol that was so not funny, but it was hilarious at the same time. Well done lol

@Someone 333 😰 I♣t

Her cousin Anne B: I got you girl

Hahaha

She was sexually abused by basically all of them

To me it sounds like she's bragging

That’s only cause she was a child and she didn’t know it was wrong and thought it was funny ig there were so many guys after her

@@TheUsername55555100 but the he cares so much it feels legit.. that’s not bragging. That’s her desperately wanting a friend

@@emilia2108 Yeah by Henry Mannox( she was young it was illegal for them to have a relationship)

Oh is that why she told Thomas Culpeper that she loved him? That they planned to consummate their relationship but Katherine was arrested before they could?

And it’s also reported that her and Francis and her were really in love but than mannix got involved and had them separated

@@meginmd Thomas was her cousin and it was forbidden to have relationships with anyone in your family

"Birds and the bees me"

@@itsmekarlita I'm pretty sure it still is too

Me, a History geek: ACTUALLY, she was beheaded because of her previous relationships, not her affair. She was considered 'damaged goods'.

No, she just wanted a husband like everyone but all the guys she met just wanted to use her as a s*x doll. That's pretty commun still to this day.

After I red all the comments, I realised that really need to see the musical. Periodt.

​@@angelacristina7940it's the best

not really edit: this whole thread is fuckin cringe please ignore this, not gonna delete it because then people are gonna think "wtf happened" but you get the idea. I have literally no clue why I said this bullshit, sorry to all the people who had to put up with my crap. Not gonna make some kinda weird excuse up because again, i have literally no clue why i said this. its all horse shit. goddamn wtf was i thinking

It actually does go really high and although I can’t try right now as the rest of my family is asleep I think that it would be really hard to do.

I knOOOOOWWWW I FREAKING LOVE HER ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜

@@heartrender6 do you know the technicality of the notes? cause i bet you’re just singing it by ear which makes it “easier”

​@@chile7954 stfu I sang this for a school performance edit: i did not

same

Either that song or all of the Thomas Sanders songs he's ever written. Or both

Same

A bop

can't get enoughsie

Pedophiles are the worst.

boys too

@@i3lului311 Oml- WE KNOW!!!!! No disrespect for the boys that go through this but this comment literally had nothing to do with them.

yeah i know but i wasnt rlly?? nvm

The world never changes and it shows

Yeah, that's the point. It's about Catherine Howard.

Yep I find her story extra heartbreaking since she was only a young teen and was easily manipulated

seems there is an echo throughout the whole song XD

Thats symbolising the rumons that were spread about her, and the other queens talking about her behind her back.

OMg yeah!

As soon as I read it I started hearing it

And there’s literally whispers too

Aquatic going to commit a hate crime real quick brb

True 😔 they also use it in BTS and MHA “lyric pranks” to make Deku seem like he was me, he wasn’t.., it hurts to hear it -Kathy Howard

@@KHowardishereandthefunsbegun you remind me of my gerbil

@@aquaticanimations9789 ...what

@@nefelibata3901 katherine Howard's portrayal as a young hyper person reminds me of my gerbil and the design for katherine Howard

the others were all the boys who she made go wild

@Sophia Stave theres 18

Wait... "Howard"? Don't tell me... was Thomas her relative?!

@@aleahlrb from what I remember I'm pretty sure he was

@@aleahlrb they werecousins

Example at 4:30

Omg I hear it now! Thanks for this it really adds to the song

@@gr1ffy Ofc! I love when they add little details to the songs!

Oh that's awesome! Also makes the song all the more haunting.

@@thecavernmonster6365 ikr!

Me- dying rat

Me: Dying Penguin sounds

Why is a dead Alpaca making noise?

Me strangled cat sounds

@@Mrs.salvitore123Me singing this: *Goddess voice* (I AM JOKING 😂)

Jesus loves you 💗

​@@remsour Then why did he let Henry VIII do all the terrible things he did (and I'm not just talking about his wives either)?

Of all of the queens I always felt she got the shortest end of the stick (and that's saying a lot).

She was just a teen too. 17-19 years old when she died.

@@anonymouscausewhynot Iirc she married Henry VIII at 17. And died 2 years later at 19.

@@MsLilly200 her exact age isn’t known, but that’s the estimate.

As the other comments have pointed out, she was also still basically just a little girl when all this happened.

Queens Fight Scene XD

wow, you got some good ears there m8

AHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH genius

Same.

FOUR CHORUSES, I CAN’T BELIEVE PEOPLE MESS THAT UP 😒

Facts

I forget which one but one of those men literally molested young girls. Repeatedly…. Him and a few other men had keys to the chamber where all the girls slept. I don’t mind him dying as much haha

But didn't Culpepper technically r*pe and also kill the person who was gonna save his victim? I remember reading about that somewhere. Idk History from like 500 years ago, especially with individuals whose lives are still a mystery to us is very confusing

Culpeper did nothing serious. Yeah, right, because raping a woman and killing her husband is nothing serious. Henry VIII himself called his actions a "joke", fogave him and decided that he would not have to pay for it. But it's not the 17th century anymore so stop sympathising with abusers and shitting on the souls of their victims please.

How could anyone ever say she deserved it. She was only a child.

@Quéssia Nafilo I think the line is I am 13 going on 30 because she acted much older than she really was. but that's just what I think I am probably wrong.

they're literally in the description

@@alexturnerssweetiepie5252 no they're not. Only the first 2 minutes.

Enoughsie* Not "Enough see"

@@abbyf763 that's right👌

Reminds me of Rent "19 but old for my age..."

Unfortunately back then, people died at 40 and younger. And it’s disgusting but it was very common for teenagers to marry adults. Take Romeo and Juliet for example. Glad things are a lot different today.

@@applejewel7730 It wasn't common at all for teenagers to marry adults, which is a good thing. That's a historical myth people try to spread today to somehow make it seem okay in the modern era because "people did it in the past" and others spread to seem "more evolved/civilised". The past is often more than a 2d villain lol

@@ThirrinDiamond might be misremembering but I do think it was common, however it was more just a name and the relationships didn't usually go much deeper than that until they got older. Though even back then a the gap between Katherine Howard and Henry Mannox was frowned upon

Well

Omg I hear it .^.

thats creepy but so so nifty

What I heard after she said required was a whisper repeating it and it sent chills down my spine

Woah yeah

I didn't have my earbuds so I just put my phone to my ear and I could hear it, it was kinda creepy to me-

they were also cousins lol

Always keep your head!

How about No Way?

@@Firestorm-613 Honestly that’s true. I feel so bad for Catherine of Aragon as well, her husband of 24 years just threw her out like she wasn’t worth anything and she wasn’t even allowed contact with her daughter. She was treated awfully.

This song reminds me of something Katy Perry would do. No Way comes across almost doo wop or like Grease.

They certainly will after listening to these songs (btw i love your name)

@@hell594 thank you 😊

The fact she loved doggies made me cry

She loved dogs?? This fact is so endearing and also so sad to me. I can't believe so many disgusting, vile, evil men or monsters, would take away her innocence and her life from her. I hope she's resting in peace now.

Except for Catherine Parr! She helped abuse Elizabeth! Katherine Howard would have hated her!

I like this analysis. This song is heartbreaking.

7ui

@@anonymouscausewhynot ù

very true and it's so sad :(

It's also reminiscent of a lot of song released by over sexualized young artists. Ariana Grande, Brittany Spears, etc. They were also sexualized from a very young age and released music that was popular, catchy, and had a "sexy" beat. It adds to the idea that there's more to her story than just the promiscuous princess.

This song is one of the best, for sure... My top 3 is "I don't need your love","ex-wives" and "all you wanna do" 😍 Pretty much cause I can't get enough of Aimie's voice 😍

@@Laramaria2 My top 3 is "haus of holbein", "haus of holbein", and "haus of holbein".

@@heartrender6 me too!! The other songs cannot beat it. And that's on PERIODT.

@@heartrender6 omg same!

My favorite song is the whole musical

I'm new here and the song is a bop but I don't understand the whole thing going on here? I think someone in the comment said something sad and painful in this song telling us about her stories. Could you tell me more about it? Is there a movie telling us stories about this?

@@legendsofweebtopia7699 its about one of Henry's wives (the 8th king) and here is his 5th wife Katherine who was abused and manipulated by men in her entire life and died around the age of 17-18. Btw its a musical

It kinda feel more worse when you realize that he actually was 36..

@@gabriellelamy6370 It's actually much, much worse. From something I read, it said that she asked for the chopping block to be brought to her cell so that she could practice how to lay her head.

@@maryysabel1309 And then the executioner messed up several times

Good for you! That's what I do for self-care.

Good on u. U shal be blessed by myself 👑

Lily Chibe I love that

the motivation while i do that...

Nice Appa

From scraped kneez!~

I can relate 😂

scraped kneez yes same

omg i saw the same post and i can't stop hearing it either

Scraped kneez!

i am so sorry that you relate to her song it is sad and traumatic

​@@abbyf763 aw thank you I wasn't thinking anyone would reply tbh-- super sweet of you

I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you got out of it safely.💓

@@charxthekoopaking5673 Thank you for the reply-- so sweet! And i did get out of everything safely.

there's too many of us that relate. At least we didn't get beheaded, right?

She died at the age 19 henry was 42 at the time of her death they were married for 2 years so she was 17 meaning henry was a pedophile

Yeah its warning sighs

can you put a time stamp?

​@@plagganimations845 around 4:30

in dereham's section, wouldn't the "favorite quill" line mean his dick tho? since a) he presumably used it often, or rather let her hold it/"use" it when meeting her every day and b) it goes with the next two lines

I think that in thomas part...which I'm not sure if is actually his part but it goes "don't care if you don't please me" makes it sound like thomas raped her since she didn't want anything with her but idk

@@kentucky_fc my comment is only abt the verses! i figured everyone would get all the implications in the chorus, but i felt that a lot flew by people's head while she was talking abt these men, originally myself included LOL

*o* *h*

at the thomas but it also says, don’t care if you please me so it could be a reference to r@pe and when it says pull my hair it sounds like thomas was violent

I didn’t know that and that’s so cute!

thank you for letting me know this adorable fact

When Howard met Henry she was actually in the household of Cleeves so they did know each other and in an alternate universe if Henry hadn't been there they could have fallen in love.

That explains the lesbian energy in Get Down

@@stxrgrrrl Except neither Anne of Cleves or Katherine was a lesbian.

Who? Is this a story of someone? I don’t know, I never heard six the musical T_T

Six the musical is based on the six wifes of the Henry the eight

@@murple.purple oh ok thank you so much 😊

@@gematiramisu6652 k Howard ❤

@@gematiramisu6652 oh Nvm lol

Actually the whole botched execution thing is a myth. While it’s true that Katherine Howard got an axman while Anne Boleyn got a swordsman, Katherine was beheaded with one chop. It was actually Margaret Pole who was executed by an inexperienced axman and had a horrible execution, some accounts say that it took ten blows to kill her while others say eleven. The point is, Katherine Howard had a quick execution that required only one swing of the axe

Or it can be seen as coming to the conclusion after a breakdown in the Tower or heck, before she's arrested and it's after the first time she's been raped(the fact it says in the song that it's done even if it doesn't please her leads me to this conclusion) by him and she's trying to cope, gasping that out in between tears and realization.

Wrong queen

I didn’t catch on the first time either. I had to look at the comments, don’t feel bad.

No it’s fine, listen to my song as much as you want ;)

​@@KHowardishereandthefunsbegun You poor thing. You deserved better.

What do you mean

.... yikes.

Is this some innuendo I’m too oblivious to understand?

@@firefly5934 to do someone is to...

@@hazyhope._. *OH-*

ONG

I watched like a little bit of it so I’m kinda with you

When I said a little bit I meant 40 minutes of it so yeah

It’s basically a musical of a very popular time in English history, There was this king called Henry who wanted a son to take his place when he dies so he keeps trying for a son and he ended up with 6 wives all punished in different ways.

Same tbh. I know like,,, 2 songs and thats it

Also MAJOR to MINOR (age difference) C to D (um… c*nt ((female genitalia 👀)) and d*ck ((you know that one)) so…)

You'd also need to call them on Henry Mannox, Francis Dereham, and Thomas Culpeper. Especially the former two.

He's the king, he can command everyone to dislike, he only needs 2 accounts

He got 191 people to dislike >:(

Classic Henry. Doing shitty things from beyond the grave ✋🙄

369 >:(

307

Well francis didnt rape her. Francis Dereham wasn't a bad person. Catherine and Francis really did love eachother and exchanged wedding vows before intercourse. Their relationship ended when henry mannox got jealous and sent an anonymous tip about their relationship to the dowager duchess who separated them. (Not knowing they were married because henry left that out) francis left her 100£ before he left to ireland. He would later suffer the same fate as catherine and he was executed by Henry for treason. Everything else in this song is perfect I just felt it painted francis entirely wrong.

@@robertoorrego4374 how do you know that ?! She was so young I don't think you understand the seriousness of this issue that women go through and men go through .

@@brookiesykes5216 research. It's not that difficult to read a Wikipedia page. It takes a while but the knowledge is worth it. Also I don't think you understand the times back then. Women matured much earlier than they do now. So while it seems incomprehensible by today's standards that was relatively normal then. And to judge this properly you have to use the societal standards of then instead of now to properly grasp the situation.

@@robertoorrego4374 A child is a child. What the hell man. Grooming is grooming. Her whole life was traumatizing. Our brains didn't just completely change from the 1500s till now.

@@HexenkoeniginVonAngmar actually it did. Humanity is always evolving. Our sense of moral code is always evolving. People matured faster in previous times because they had to. Of course that's not right today. But you can't judge people who lived 100+ years ago by the standards of today.

Dear, you're most likely too innocent for humanity.

@@celestia.5758 to be fair tho... I never gave it much thought, i thought her wrist was tired from all the writing with the quill and ink stuff but ig NOT

@@georgikostov3006 this song is just subtle nasty stuff

@I am here ! Hello there

Explain plz I don’t get it

And many hidden adult jokes!

Think it was the fact that she's a child being used by a bunch of men

LOL

No shit

Woah another Miraculous fan sup Are you obsessed with it just like I am I'm in the #2015Army 4 year fan almost 5 years eek

?

Yeah it’s exactly what you think it is sadly

@@alisoncotuk1335 it refers to me giving Derham a little h@ndj0b 🥲

@@KHowardishereandthefunsbegun ew roleplayers

WAIT....

Thx

Dude..The lyrics is so..wow dude, thanks, I was confused over the story about this, wow..that's dark 😓

@@silentypissing1527 its is

Not really cause of the risks but ye I love history too, the Tudor era is my absolute favourite, apart from the gruesome fates and stuff but yeah XD what about u? :)

I wanna go back, and give her a hug and tell her she's not alone

Indeed. Poor Katherine. She deserved better.

meaning: 😰

She really did just want a friend in this song though At first she did want a relationship and then everything happened and she wanted a friend to get away from the relationships

In the old times, this was sadly disregarded, and normalized, and its not ok either way, same as in modern times. But at the end i think she really did just want a friend. No offense but you don't really know if she actually wanted a friend or a romantic relationship..

It's definitely not as straightforward as people in the comments make it out to be. Hard agree on that. Kathrin is portrayed as a young girl with no experience in romance, who at the beginning is just going through the normal preteen phase where she develops the desire for romantic/sexual love and wants to explore it. This is not uncommon and frankly normal, even if the resulting behavior is dangerous and cringy. I myself remember a (pretty pathetic) attempt at I guess one can call it flirting with a 20 something male friend of a cousin of mine when I was between 10-12. At least in my case it happened simply because I had no real control over these newly blooming feelings yet and I just couldn't hold it back. I remember I didn't linger on it (since it kinda just came blurring out of me and I didn't ACTUALLY wanted to make a move on him) and he definitely behaved responsible and kind about it. Unfortunately, one has to say though that I was indeed lucky here. Kathrins situation is different enough and the actual objective facts of her portrayed situation here should actually be taken properly into concideration, to actually understand what happened to her and learn something legit from it instead of glossing over the context turning it into a blurry (and unhealthy) "never trust any men EVER, they are all the same" message. Which honestly doesn't give the song the proper credit it deserves, because it's nuanced as hell and I love it. Kathrin was 13 when her music teacher took advantage of her and honestly, no, the "She only wanted a friend" argument holds very little water here. She totally didn't wanted to be friends, she had a crush on him because she basically told him exactly THAT. Denying that she actively made the move here implies that whoever wants to erase that aspect of her story thinks that she wouldn't be as "blameless" as they'd like if it isn't explicitly the man who started the idea of the relationship. Which is complete bullshit. Just because she doesn't fit in the "perfect, blameless victim" trope people wanna force her into doesn't it mean she isn't 100% the victim and the adult guy somehow took less advantage of her inexperienced, underdeveloped feelings. The details of these kind of story will not always be as black-and-white as one would like them to be, that's what one should use their critical thinking for instead of just rewriting the narrative to what YOU/WE think the victim should be portrayed like. Victim-stories aren't about YOU/US its about this specific victim and their live experiences, get over yourself and take the narrative as it is and work with THAT. I'll skip the second guy and Henry because I don't have too much to say here. Second guy is a similar case to the first, she very clearly has a crush and is willingly giving herself to another man who takes advantage of her instead of being the responsible adult. Henry's situation pretty much speaks for itself. What I hate is when people put the Thomas character in the same category as the other guys who hurt her so much. Because frankly, the actual context of the song isn't directly stating that at all. We only have Kathrins pov of the event and her reaction to him saying "We have a connection" is straight up more of a panicked trauma-reaction than a rational response. That's how trauma works! She cannot be blamed for this being her reaction by instinct because everything in life led her to become like this but that simply doesn't mean that Thomas confessing his feelings is suddenly equal to actual sexual assault. The narrative doesn't tell us that he's much older than her like the other guys but instead gives us the picture of their circumstances with her being in a VERY unhappy marriage and them getting along splendid when her husband is away. Kathrin has every right to only wanting a mate no lover, clearly that's what she needs after all she has been through. But the song is written out of her pov, which simply means she is not a reliable narrator when it comes to certain aspects (She also doesn't need to be, it's a song about her trauma. THAT'S THE POINT). Her point of view of him pulls an EXTREME 180 after she finds out that he has romantic feelings for her, projecting her past experiences of being treated like an sexual object onto him because he wasn't being the friend she wanted/needed him to be. In Kathrins pov "Friend" and "Lover" do not mix whatsoever, doesn't make it the reality of his intentions though. For all she and therefore WE know he WAS just a friend in the beginning but simply developed feelings for her out of their friendship and thought the next step would make her happy too. She was around 18-20 at that point and he is ageless but supposedly around her age. Guys I don't know how to explain to you that 18-20 is absolutely an age where one can take a friendship to the next level. Kathrins past experiences of assault are NOT the normal circumstances one develops their romantic/sexual feelings under. She is actually at an age here where this relationship she formed totally could have led to a happy marriage and life, but the amount of trauma she already had to endure make her unable to see this opportunity as for now. She would have to heal first, but she hasn't been allowed to yet. I don't know how to end this because I've said alot. Anyway my point is that I definitely agree with you that people refuse to see her situation in the way it is presented, which is not only problematic in itself, it's also one hell of a shame because Kathrins story here is so well done and nuanced, people really don't hive it justice.

@@CatalinaLinal7710 I've never seen the musical so maybe they changed it, but I'm sorry, the real Thomas Culpepper was a scumbag who did indeed confess to planning to sleep with Katherine even though none of her letters to him ever indicated any romantic interest on her end. He wasn't a healthy relationship, he was another jerk who wanted to use her.

She actually want a friend near the end.

*for forever

Ikr

Factos!

Im glad i dont relate but i listen to this song so much ahaha

*coughs in childhood trauma*

uhhhhh... *swears profusely*

Oh no I hope your doing okay! No one deserves to be treated like that. Stay strong ❤❤❤

@@cow167 same hehe and I also like your user

Jesus loves u ♡ get well soon!

I’m sorry that happened to you, I’m hoping you feel better. Remember your strong and we love you ❤️

Stay strong and don't give up. ❤

I'm really sorry. Just know you are valuable and strong.

Update needed: do you still have a head?

I am sorry you've been through all of that. You are valuable, and you do not deserve to be treated that way. You deserve so much better, and I hope you find that. Praying for you.

It is

the first time I heard the song I thought it was go and abuse me tbh

It could also be heard as "bruise/use and abuse me" but I dunno

Yeah

Yeah it’s there without headphones I think it’s cool too!