Was I Wrong about Sephiroth's Sword?

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Was I Wrong about Sephiroth's Sword?

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22 күн бұрын

The response by @JustaBug that I'm reacting to here:
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A constructive dialogue is always better than just monologuing into a camera, so I appreciate the opportunity to discuss this topic in more detail. The reproduction of Sephiroth's Masamune that I handled at Medieval Depot was made as a wallhanger, and its floppiness was part of the lack of functionality. There are real two-handed swords in history that could be the height of the user or even longer, and those did indeed work in battle.
However, Sephiroth's design is a little different, and not quite as functional. Let's talk about why.
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@JustaBug 20 күн бұрын

Hey Skall, thanks for responding to my video and sharing it for people to see. I do think depending on artwork sephiroths sword goes from upper limit of ssangsudo to well and truly impossible but it was a good chance to share the ssangsudo on KZfaq. Thanks again and looking forward to your content as always!

@malahamavet 20 күн бұрын

also thank you for being chill and respectful :D response videos don't have to mean drama, and this interaction was an example or a healthy exchange

@talmiz101 20 күн бұрын

keep up the awesome work buddy! and more power to you.

@williampounds5191 20 күн бұрын

It was a good chance. Asian swords like the nodachi and ssangsudo are awesome!

@no-one-o1o1 20 күн бұрын

I enjoyed your video @JustaBug

@michaelgoldberg4000 20 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing your knowledge! One can't possibly know everything and learning new things is always fun especially sword related!

@garavonhoiwkenzoiber 20 күн бұрын

I'm not gonna argue about swords with a guy that throws SUPERNOVAS at you

@seanmadson8524 20 күн бұрын

Sephiroth having gravity magic makes any sword reasonable. If he can throw a meteor without breaking a sweat, he can easily alter the gravitational pull on any sword to make it move however he wants

@RobTheSquire 20 күн бұрын

And yet he still wanted the black materia, this is why a child needs their birth mother and not a crazy scientist for a father.

@wompastompa3692 20 күн бұрын

Tifa TANKED those btw.

@VampsTheFallen 20 күн бұрын

@@RobTheSquire First class soldier pre god sephy can do this with out magic, but S class is pretty op to start with lol

@kounurasaka5590 20 күн бұрын

@@VampsTheFallen Yeah, like, in real life this obviously is a different story, but in the universe of FF7, the Masamune or Buster Sword aren't even worth batting an eye at. Sephiroth is basically Wolverine meets Captain America. He can slice metal buildings apart without breaking a sweat. In universe, he might not even have a physical equal other than Cloud. He's also functionally immortal and seems to be some level of a reality warper. Sephiroth is a level 99 RPG character with perfect stats walking around in the equivalent of the tutorial level. This isn't a verse meant to be taken at face value with real world physics in mind. Final Fantasy, but especially FF7, has always run on the Rule of Cool.

@Densoro 20 күн бұрын

Masamune rolls 3d8 for length every five minutes. I swear it changes throughout the course of a single fight.

@xonxt 20 күн бұрын

I think I saw some videos of kendo masters actually sheathing or drawing a super-long nodachi. And basically what you can do is: draw it as much as you can, then grip the blade and continue drawing until it's out. And same with sheathing: grip the blade, aim it at the sheath, put it it a little bit, until it's deep enough that you can grab the handle - then finish sheathing. It looks way more graceful in the videos, with slightly throwing the nodach up and catching it by the back of the blade.

@joshcline8764 20 күн бұрын

I saw a similar video if not the same one.

@sciloj 20 күн бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nqyGf5OD39PGkn0.html

@Adhemar_ 20 күн бұрын

Seki sensei has a video on it with a breakdown of the technique kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nqyGf5OD39PGkn0.html

@olencone4005 20 күн бұрын

Historically, the super-long blades would typically be carried by retainers, who would hold the sheath while their master drew the blade. That whole "team work makes the dream work" kinda thing hehe!

@theghosthero6173 20 күн бұрын

@@olencone4005 Qi Ji Guang, also mentions that being done with the Chang dao (the ancestor of this korean sword)

@JackEspadas 20 күн бұрын

Hi, another korean traditional martial arts practitioner here. Jut a bug is a fantastic content creator about all this topics and seems to have an educated opinion about the thinhs he talks about. Love that you both interacted in a polite way, sharing thoughts and knowledge. Love your videos mate.

@TheWhiteDragon3 20 күн бұрын

After LK Chen released their Chang Dao and Miao Dao on their store, I went and did some more research on them. Apparently, after some Ming naval commanders put down a pirate problem, they witnessed the pirates using Japanese Odachi and Nodachi and became obsessed with implementing them into the Ming military. They started weapons testing with various alterations to the design, and one of the first changes they made was the length. Some archaeological finds of the expiremental weapons were SEVEN FEET LONG from tip to pommel. Apparently they were usable but uncomfortable to use. They eventually settled with keeping a similar length to the odachi with a more agressive distil taper to lighten it and make it more nimble in the hand and more convenient to carry.

@user-nq2oz8tf2l 20 күн бұрын

The problem with this theory is that huge two handed swords have existed in various forms since the Han dynasty. Sometimes as execution swords (examples exist in museums) all the way up to the Ming with better records of being used in combat.

@IrvineTheHunter 20 күн бұрын

@@user-nq2oz8tf2l Horses were used in agriculture long before war, and people don't really use other pack animals for war. Point being while executioner blades *exist* it's entirely probable the were offhandedly dismissed as being impractical the same way dual wielding often is.

@Intranetusa 20 күн бұрын

@IrvineTheHunter There were two handed combat swords and two handed execution swords. The Song and Tang Dynasties had horse-cutting-swords that may have been used to fight cavalry.

@Intranetusa 19 күн бұрын

@user-nq2oz8tf2l Two handed swords of the Qin/Han era (200s BC) all the way up to the Song Dynasty (1200s AD) were long straight swords. The Mongols popularized curved TurcoMongol swords during the Yuan Dynasty, which influenced Ming Dynasty daos. We also know the Song Dynasty had been importing Japanese swords, and the Ming Dynasty continued this. So the Ming and Qing era changdaos that were long, curved swords could have been influenced by Woku pirates (most of whom were Chinese and Korean and only some were Japanese), but they could have alternatively been influenced by curved Mongol swords or curved Japanese swords imported from Japan.

@360entertainment2 19 күн бұрын

When I was stationed in Korea one of my KATUSA’s told me story about a naval commander who apparently sliced a Japanese Boat in half with one of those swords, he even showed me a statue of the guy!

@AzurePursuer 20 күн бұрын

Akuma, but when he punches it fires swords at you. Terrifying.

@MagmaZero4112 20 күн бұрын

From what I understand from this video. Skallagrim is agreeing that Lu Bu would beat Sephiroth because he can win in the bind. Do No Pursue Lu Bu.

@seanheath4492 20 күн бұрын

I'm totally pursuing Lu Bu. Gotta get that achievement. :P

@anderporascu5026 20 күн бұрын

The calmer and more confident the foe, the more dangerous they are. The tense ones are compensating and always choosing easier targets.

@thprofessional5070 20 күн бұрын

@@MagmaZero4112 kingdom hearts 1 seph says otherwise. Lol

@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 20 күн бұрын

but, can Sephiroth outrun Red Hare?

@SeanHiruki 20 күн бұрын

Can anyone provide him with a decent challenge?

@SolitasRuisu 20 күн бұрын

So I don't know if anyone has pointed this out before, but I don't think I've ever in any media seen Sephiroth draw or sheath his sword. Actually I don't think the masamune has a sheath at all.

@karloswald407 20 күн бұрын

and in history often large swords like this, such as zweihanders among the landsknecht, were carried like a polearm and not in a sheath while on campaign

@andrewli6606 20 күн бұрын

Yep! In no media is Masamune shown sheathed. After Nibelheim, Sephiroth can basically create Masamunes so sheathing is unnecessary, but even in the playable section of Rebirth, it just materializes.

@wolfgangrecordings 20 күн бұрын

yeah it's never had a sheath

@SkullOfTheRaven 20 күн бұрын

The only time it it has I believe is in Kingdom Hearts, but that's mainly because they shrunk it a decent amount to make it more fair to fight against

@wolfgangrecordings 20 күн бұрын

@@SkullOfTheRaven i'm pretty sure the blade is even longer in kingdom hearts than in the ff games

@ryoga8170 20 күн бұрын

Of course THAT sword is real and classicly represented in all manner of books BUT Sephiroth's sword looks to be almost 9 ft. long.....50% longer than even that Ssangsudo.

@coolyeh1017 20 күн бұрын

It is a bit inconsistent depending on the media. Kingdom Hearts series exaggerates the length by at least a foot or two compared to his original artwork from FFVII which seems to be between 6 to 7 feet. The Remake also changes things up a bit by making Sephiroth taller and his sword a bit longer too.

@DragonKnightX12 20 күн бұрын

@@coolyeh1017It was also massive in the FF7 movie. On the reboots the math came out to judge a bit over 7ft. That's a long ass sword, especially to be one handing like Sephy does.

@sciloj 20 күн бұрын

There's a video "How to Draw & Sheath a 150cm/60in Long Katana" on "Let's ask Seki Sensei | Online Katana Lessons" channel addressing certain questions from these three videos.

@Zathaghil 20 күн бұрын

Nope. Also a katana is never 150cm long. So that is false from the get go. The sword Skall if on about is also Waaaay longer than 150cm.

@trishademilion5133 20 күн бұрын

@@Zathaghil What do you mean "Nope?" The man just said "there's a video" and your response is "no there isn't." 🤓

@99Hatman 20 күн бұрын

I was gonna point out the same video (again) since while seki sensei shows performance art ways to sheathe and unsheathe these swords, the way he does it works for swords that are longer than your arm span :)

@IrvineTheHunter 20 күн бұрын

@@Zathaghil "katana" is just the JP word for "single edged blade (of any length)", even if some group wants to categorize it, saying, this and that, it's semantics, it's like saying EU or US "chocolate" isn't really chocolate because it doesn't meet the other countries coco fat/solid standards.

@code066funkinbird3 20 күн бұрын

Yeah

@nextcaesargaming5469 20 күн бұрын

Not even three days and there's already a response video and a response to the response video Like, I agree with Skall, and everybody was civil, but ain't KZfaq just grand?

@DaShikuXI 20 күн бұрын

The funny thing is that this is actually what KZfaq was supposed to be. Back when KZfaq started you could actually make direct video replies to people's videos. Reply chains are the true way of KZfaq.

@nextcaesargaming5469 20 күн бұрын

@@DaShikuXI Oh, definitely. I just can't help but find the speed of it all humorous, especially in the context of the *significantly* less civil manner that response/counter response videos usually operate, and the reputation KZfaq has developed for such antics. The fact that this was all civil, intellectual and fun honestly makes it even funnier. THIS is how it's supposed to be done, y'all.

@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 20 күн бұрын

Fight,Fight,Fight,

@Dan-ds8sf 20 күн бұрын

Wait for the response, and Skall’s rightful response in turn, leading to a response to a response to a response to a response to a video.

@nextcaesargaming5469 20 күн бұрын

@@Dan-ds8sf Response-ception

@thegreatlemmon7487 21 күн бұрын

Swords. I mean out of all the final fantasy swords. It's the most realistic one our of all of them

@LiviaReaper 20 күн бұрын

kind offff, i feel like cloud’s sword is more realistic given the material could be created.

@Kakuretaka 20 күн бұрын

Hard edge, Mithril blade and Butterfly edge are all reasonable.

@Mr.Heller 20 күн бұрын

@@LiviaReaper No matter the material, the problem is size.

@Par-Crom 20 күн бұрын

If you mean based off real design, and sober finish, so yeah. Still it's waved by a Super Sayan, and the steel is so strong it can slice through everything lol.

@DanIel-fl1vc 20 күн бұрын

Definitely not, FF9 got some that are fairly realistic only got odd proportions to match the length of the oddly proportioned characters. FF12 got a lot of realistic weapons.

@AncestorEmpire1 20 күн бұрын

It’s meant for range, but used up close…. How uncivilized

@RadishAcceptable 20 күн бұрын

"The thicker you make it the stiffer it is" 😏

@milire2668 20 күн бұрын

- Albert Einstein

@Bombingham 20 күн бұрын

But mine just got stiffer without thickening

@samuelferrell9257 20 күн бұрын

🍆

@m0-m0597 20 күн бұрын

😐👉🚪

@rhetorical1488 20 күн бұрын

just remember sephiroth wields it one handed 😉

@sarinhighwind 20 күн бұрын

Seki sensi basically said that these large swords were a 2 person ordeal. Which he mentions. But seki also shows how to use it as a single user. Very good video from them. This response seems well. But were in real niche territory with this sword. Its super hard to know niche stuff.

@dlatrexswords 20 күн бұрын

Great discussion Skall and Bug! Side you were asking about hilt ratios, while we see 1:3 and 1:4 in Europe quite often, the big sword measurements from General Qi’s manual said that it had a kilt of one Chi, and a blade length of 5 chi

@theldraspneumonoultramicro405 20 күн бұрын

hmm... Sephiroth Masamune, according to estimations made from the remake, it would be around 220-230 centimeters, so it's actually not all that exagerated in lengh then? also, in the remake game, Sephiroth is around 200 cm long, so him being able to use the Masamune properly is actually in the realms of possibility and realism-ish? damn, did not expect that. oh, and according to my original game manual, Sephiroth is 185 cm tall. Sephiroth sword has very inconsistent lenght thruout media where it appears.

@joaoebordignon 20 күн бұрын

>Sephiroth sword has very inconsistent lenght thruout media where it appears. It gets shorter in cold water.

@markmittelbach7975 20 күн бұрын

The inconsistency is a big deal, because it's not too out there in terms of overall shape, so it can easily go from utterly ridiculous to "at the limits but still within the realm of real swords". Even on the handle example, some of those looked barely able to fit a two-handed grip while others are much longer.

@tylerphuoc2653 20 күн бұрын

@@joaoebordignon Imagine finding a way to quench this blade fully, fresh out of the forge lmao

@shrootskyi815 20 күн бұрын

> "so him being able to use the Masamune properly is actually in the realms of possibility and realism-ish?" Well, the overall length may be kinda reasonable, but there's still the issue of the proportions. The handle is definitely too short for a blade of that length.

@markmittelbach7975 20 күн бұрын

@@Starky_3D The 1997 version has absurd proportions, and even just for 1997 there is the polygon version, the cutscene version, the concept art version, and the official illustration versions, which differ significantly in proportions.

@SkepticalCaveman 20 күн бұрын

Seki sensei shows in one of his videos how to draw a oversized nodachi without dropping the saya.

@ml8443 20 күн бұрын

“Sephiroths sword is not too long, watch…” Pulls out a sword nowhere near the size of sephiroths sword

@mcneil016 20 күн бұрын

Probably the biggest he had on hand. I doubt its easy to get a life size Sephiroth sword, by the sound of it the video was made in a short time

@lucas_lipp 20 күн бұрын

Honestly, the sword in Just A Bug's video is roughly the size of Sephiroth's Masamune, depending on the version. The length heavily varies, depending on which iteration of Sephiroth's design you're looking at. But compare the sword in the video to Sephiroth and his sword in FF7 for the PS1, FF7 Remake and Smash, for example, and you'll see that the length of the sword matches, with the exception of Sephiroth's concept art for FF7, where the Masamune is longer than in the game. It's in Final Fantasy Dissidia and in the Kingdom Hearts series where the Masamune took on the ridiculous length that's shown in this video.

@pwao 16 күн бұрын

He shows as an example a 1.75 cm sword, but also mentions that they can reach up to 2.10 cm.

@jamesallred460 20 күн бұрын

I saw Just A Bugs video right after you posted yours Skal, so apparently, the algorithm works once in a while, haha. Anyway, really glad you made a response!

@gecho8848 20 күн бұрын

Maybe with sheathing the sword it would be easier if you had the reinforced bit of the blade? Then you could just hold that bit to start the sheathing shortening the required wingspan.

@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail 20 күн бұрын

yeah i wonder why they don't do that

@polysemy_ 18 күн бұрын

9:10 that is EXACTLY, why i love the idea people have that you can't draw a longer sword off your back, like geralt has in the witcher. theres many ways beyond what he does and is shown in game or whatever that you can make possible. (I'm aware it was a spin around, and not on his back btw... 💀) theres also a similar concept with kratos' axe on his back. its kinda just about the scabbard or.. latch, symbol, thing, being flexible or what nots yknow. 🧐

@polysemy_ 18 күн бұрын

all ab the design and how you're able to safely manipulate it. practicality is... well idk but you'd look badass pulling off what people for some reason think isn't doable. 🗿

@Novestador 20 күн бұрын

Akuma can split mountains and sink islands with his fists. A sword would instantly shatter unless it was made with exotic materials or enchanted.

@Skallagrim 20 күн бұрын

Yeah, and that's often the conceptual problem with weapons and super strength... they need to be able to withstand those excessive forces.

@Novestador 20 күн бұрын

@@Skallagrim Disregard metallurgy. It's time to embrace bioengineered flesh weapons.

@tylerphuoc2653 20 күн бұрын

@@Novestador that's what makes Nemesis such a BASED (and hot) man

@ThaetusZain 20 күн бұрын

@@Skallagrim or well, the body and super strength. If the largest human had even gorilla or Rhino strength they'd have to be super careful about how they used it. If you could jump 3 stories, that's still a 3 story fall.

@DragonKnightX12 20 күн бұрын

@@NovestadorIt that can make magic super soldiers, I'm sure can make magic super weapons. Masamune definitely had something going, because Tifa the girl who can punch with the force of a nuke could barely lift it.

@zielisawzielony9366 20 күн бұрын

It boils down to: If your sword is shorter than your arm span you will be good. I doubt he could draw 210cm sword without droping the scabard or second hand help. It was informative thou I dint know Korea had 2hand swords and that overhead draw is nice technique.

@elio7610 20 күн бұрын

does sephiroth even have a scabbard?

@Crangaso 20 күн бұрын

Discourse without being disagreeable - beautiful! Great video Skall

@mobas07 20 күн бұрын

With a sword that long it would be easier to draw it the way Haohmaru does. Pull the blade out slightly then just swing it and let the sheath fly off somewhere. Definitely wouldn't have been able to do that in the shop though lol.

@RanmyakuIchi 20 күн бұрын

Haohmaru has quite a way to sheath it too. Throw the sword up in the air, hold out the sheath, and hope for the best.

@napalmholocaust9093 20 күн бұрын

Sometimes ya gotta chop three horses in half at the same time. War happens sometimes.

@tylerb2644 20 күн бұрын

You would think that linking the reaction vid you’re reacting to and skipping the bulk of the vid would be common courtesy. Honestly quite the breath of fresh air to see a KZfaqr show such respect. Even if I’d expect nothing less from skall and the communities he engages with.

@ThallanarRabidtooth 20 күн бұрын

Yeah I expected Skall would go through the entire video ripping it to shreds like Shad does.

@Aika_PDNW 20 күн бұрын

In the last video I thought that the best way to wield blade as long as masamune is to wield it as a pike and ignoring the handle

@AdmiralStickney 12 күн бұрын

First video of yours I've watched in a while admittedly and I really enjoy this sort of back and forth dialogue! At the end of the day a fantasy weapon is just that, it obeys fantasy physics and magic and doesn't necessarily require itself to obey logic to have any fun factor but it's always entertaining and engaging to sit and wonder if we couldn't sit in the shoes of those wielding them and wonder if we ourselves couldn't also do so. Thanks again Skall.

@Rodclutcher 20 күн бұрын

Love the video Skall!!

@tek512 20 күн бұрын

Masamune's official length is 243 cm. No chance anyone is using a lore-accurate reproduction.

@Skallagrim 20 күн бұрын

Yeah, that's absolutely nuts. The sheer length is already absurd, and the proportions make it even worse.

@Angelic_Hero 20 күн бұрын

it doesn't have an complete official length other then between 6ft 182cm- 8ft 243 cm. take into account most depictions of it are the same height as sephiroth it would be 6ft 1inch (185cm)- 6 foot 4 inches (195 cm). so it would be slightly longer then a flamberge with roughly the same handle length

@thecpu3949 20 күн бұрын

IIRC, Sephiroth is also quite a tall man himself, being about 2 meters, but 243cm it's STILL too long of a sword in my opinion.

@deangraves7462 20 күн бұрын

@@Skallagrim I think people forget that not only does Sephiroth have inhuman strength, he has also been infused with magic. Even the game acknowledges that the Masamune is unwieldy. If you play the opening flashback chapter of FF Rebirth, who can see Tifa's attempt to handle the Masamune. Tifa, one of the strongest fighters in the game, could barely lift it's tip off the ground. The story acknowledges the swords own impracticality and that it's design is meant only for one. Sort of like an evil Excalibur. I think in the original you can win a copy of Sephiroth's Masamune but not even Cloud can actually equip it.

@tek512 20 күн бұрын

@@Angelic_Hero Old depictions aren't canon anymore. All that matters is how it's depicted in recent content, which consistently has it much longer than Sephiroth is tall. Notably, Sephiroth's concept art also had a Masamune that was much longer than his own height.

@karyldavidkidd7111 14 күн бұрын

Watched the original just a bug video. Definitely a fan. I'm welling up with joy that Skall responded. Such a grand community this grouping of sharp loving folk.

@Schokraen 20 күн бұрын

Awesome video and really cool response from Just a Bug!

@WhiteApeMA 19 күн бұрын

In Cheng Zongyou's late Ming long saber manual, the two-person draw is present as mentioned in the video, and also a partial draw, repositioning the hand on the spine of the dao, and finish drawing, placing the end of the handle into the non-dominant hand and finally putting your dominant hand back where it normally goes.

@Rubedo2k10 20 күн бұрын

"Akuma with a sword", he already exists. It's Zodd the Immortal.

@Norbert_Sattler 20 күн бұрын

In regards to the sheath... we never see Sephiroth carrying his sword sheathed. It looks like he always has just the sword alone in his hand... when it doesn't disappear into hammerspace anyway. ^^

@12SickOne34 20 күн бұрын

Oh hell yeah! I've been hoping for this!

@godspawn-42 4 күн бұрын

The extended collar would allow for a longer sturdier blade,you said it yourself ,it would also allow you to shealth a longer blade theoretically, so i think the argument is more about if its practical in combat and how long can you get the blade until the structure is compromised.

@NICK.... 20 күн бұрын

your cursor is on brand

@lady_draguliana784 19 күн бұрын

On ways to lighten and stiffen a blade: embossing and ribbing (like fullering in reverse) can also stiffen a thin sheet of steel. Imagine if you took a sheet of steel that's just a few mil thick, then bent it back and forth to make a rounded zig-zagging cross section of the blade: so it's mostly empty space. Better yet, micro fullering: a thick blade with countless tiny slots, off set in a brick pattern, or tiny holes in a hex pattern, most of the way through the blade, with counterparts deliberately out of alignment coming in from either side so that they're not touching (preventing "accidental skeletonization"). you could remove a very large portion of the mass of a blade; which is what's being "pulled" down by gravity to make the weapon sag. and _increasing_ stiffness as well in the manner of a fuller, but likely more effectively than a fuller would.

@NamazuRyuSaiken 18 күн бұрын

great seeing the interaction between you two! I don't remember Sephiroth ever have a sheath...ever...but i digress. well done both!

@bobleonheart9600 20 күн бұрын

I saw in the comments that someone mentioned that Sephiroth is never shown drawing his sword and that there is no media showing a sheathe for it and this is as far as I can tell true but I was sure that there would be some answer to this and it appears that I may have been right. If you watch Advent Children and head to the moment of Sephs first appearance he doesn't initially have Masamune on him but then proceeds to materialize it out of thin air. From this I would surmise that he uses some form of magic or summoning to transport the sword. Also from watching through the fight between him and Cloud in Advent Children I get the impression that the swords length is not always consistant. It's kinda hard to tell due to the action being so frantic but from what I can tell it seems to be about the length of his wingspan while he is actively fighting with it and then later in the fight when he has Cloud skewered on it it seems to be much longer. At that point it appears to be more like 1 1/2 times his wingspan or more. Even then he seems to have absolutely no trouble with leverage given that he is literally holding Cloud about a meter off the ground while he is skewered on the last foot or so of the blade. And he does that with one hand with no signs of difficulty. Seriously the guy must have some serious wrist strength. In summary I believe that Masamune does not have a fixed length and that Sephiroth stores it elsewhere and summons it when he needs it.

@IkariMadness 20 күн бұрын

Sephiroth's sword is supposed to be something like 8 feet long.

@SomaCruz500 20 күн бұрын

It’s been retconned a few times by Nomura. Also pretty sure there’s a distinction between his SOLDIER Masamune and his Post-Nibelheim Incident Masamune. Homie might’ve survived the dip into pure Mako, but that sword probably didn’t.

@nooneyouknow13 20 күн бұрын

@@Starky_3D Which piece here was the fan art? I see an official desktop background in the static frame, a KH1 CG render showing off ridiculously proportions, and what looks like his Rebirth battle model, and his original battle model in his victory pose, albeit with enhanced textures. But yes, Advent Children is where the sword gets absolutely silly long, other than Kingdom Hearts.

@DarthSanguine 20 күн бұрын

@@Starky_3D He's 6'7" in the remake continuity.

@PJammaGod 19 күн бұрын

I just love the fact that two lovers of HEMA / HKMA are having a respectful discussion about their passion. We need more of this online.

@thewinterprince1731 20 күн бұрын

How to sheathe Sephiroth's sword: Grab the back of the blade in a spot that lets you tip it in, and slide it in like you're putting a pole into a sleeve. If you're sheathing the thing, ya don't gotta be fancy about it because the fight's already over, so you can take your time with it.

@olencone4005 20 күн бұрын

It's a fair real-world analogy, but it's still going to fall a bit short of the fantasy blade because.. well, it's fantasy hehe! :P Sephiroph's Masamune sword is described as being between 6-8 feet (182-244 cm)... similar to the Odachi, the Ssangsudo is typically 4-6 feet (121-182 cm), so at best it would be at the lowest end of estimates for Masamune. And there's still the whole matter of materials, weight, balance, rigidity, and usage -- all of which acts as a restraint on real-world blades, but can all be ignored in fantasy because... well, like I said, it's fantasy :P

@SkullOfTheRaven 20 күн бұрын

Now tbf he did mention that Ssangsudo can be up to 210 cm, which falls well within the masamune range

@MrTrilbe 20 күн бұрын

2:23 justabug says 210cm at the top end, so 6.89 feet, the problem really is that Sephiroth's height is inconsistent with anything between 6'1" and 6'8" most put him at 6'1", so about 7'1" for Masamune tip to tip? 215.9cm, 5'9" is the average for a South Korean male, it kinda isn't stupidly huge for him, now i'm confused, a relatively realistic anime sword?? the world is ending the world is ending, run for the animu tiddies, i mean hills

@budgetcommander4849 20 күн бұрын

@@MrTrilbe5.9 is the average nowadays. People in the past were shorter on average.

@MrTrilbe 20 күн бұрын

@@budgetcommander4849 not as much as people think and even in that time their would be the odd 5'9" person

@lucasalarcon3230 19 күн бұрын

@@SkullOfTheRaventhose ultra long nodachis we're ceremonial most of time

@yedo8516 20 күн бұрын

Yoooo glad to see Justabug get some attention

@Blackpheonix99 20 күн бұрын

I love how healthy and respectful skallagrims response is! Definitely a breath of fresh air compared to some of the drama in the community lately.

@Constellasian 11 күн бұрын

I don't remember ever seeing Sephiroth using a sheath for his ridiculously long katana. The Masamune seemed longer in video game iterations compared to real life replicas too. Then again, comparing real life historical weapons to fantasy weapons is like comparing Bigfoot to Gorillas.

@lieroushenry3959 20 күн бұрын

I'm actually glad your noticed what I did in his video that the sword was a little shorter then the one you showed and from my understanding the one he has in the game great response tho and really informative

@Bombingham 20 күн бұрын

I love your cursor with the blade and hand lol, can I get a link

@ScottWoodruff-wh3ft 17 күн бұрын

Illustrations in old manuscripts depicting similar swords show the swordsmen in pairs, helping one another to unsheath their swords, with each swordsman holding his partner's scabbard.

@blitzkrieg237 15 күн бұрын

The long blade collar he mentioned would make sheathing the sword easier, since you would have another foot worth of safe area to grab the blade.

@JUDE-fn3ee 20 күн бұрын

can't wait for part 7 🙏

@spokilt 20 күн бұрын

Another great video.

@tomyorke3412 20 күн бұрын

Yes but has it been sanctioned by a ranking Magos of the Cult Mechanicus and treated with the sacred oil. These are the real questions.

@vikkstardoom2950 15 күн бұрын

i rember seeing a short about simillar length swords being used as perfonce props in japan and the trick they use to unsheathe it is they pinch the blade to get the extra inch or two. they usually do that part when facing away from the viewers to conceal it and keep up the illusion.

@I_love_bread_and_Hungry_Jacks 20 күн бұрын

I wonder how practical the weapons from the Infinity Blade trilogy would be irl, especially the... well, [The Infinity Blade]

@MrByakkoneko 20 күн бұрын

Now THAT is a name I have not heard… in a long time.

@SomaCruz500 20 күн бұрын

Asking the real hard questions here, ain’t ya? Damn… I really miss the trilogy. Even if they were glorified Techdemos.

@Skallagrim 20 күн бұрын

Thanks for the dono! I'm not familiar with the Infinity Blade series, but a quick look is telling me that they look VERY fantasy. :)

@m0-m0597 20 күн бұрын

@@Skallagrim Now we can @ you, fool! Muahahaha

@SirPraiseSun 20 күн бұрын

soul caliber 5

@mrbackslash8049 20 күн бұрын

Speaking of sheathing, I didn't notice it until now but the Masamune is never actually depicted sheathed as far as I know. That would technically remove the issue of arms being too short to sheath but of course that also has its own problems.

@chun_8070 20 күн бұрын

In regards to drawing the sword, the Ming dynasty treatise "dandao faxuan" also talks about a method where you would first draw out what you can with the handle, then grabbing the bare blade to pull out the sword the rest of the way. Jack Chen from Chinese Longsword has lots of videos on these long East Asian swords.

@GameFuMaster 20 күн бұрын

or just draw it out a little bit, then spin around and use centrifugal force to force the sheath away!

@Ithirahad 20 күн бұрын

Yeah, it's a single-edged sword so there's really not much stopping you from manipulating the blade if you truly NEED to draw the sword. Doing this casually is annoying because of the potential for finger marks though.

@arthurmoore9488 20 күн бұрын

@@Ithirahad Given half-swording is a thing you could do it with double edge swords too. Just don't slip!

@youremakingprogress144 20 күн бұрын

I love it when people can have a respectful discussion about a topic they both like instead of a petty pissing contest.

@hirotakasugi4891 12 күн бұрын

The technique on drawing it isn't by drawing it but by loosening the saya and then swinging the weapon, propelling the saya at the desired direction as distraction and opening a moment for a lunge.

@maxwellvindman7212 20 күн бұрын

I mean, it doesn't look that bad, especially if you had a mail gauntlet and could grab it by the blade

@rafalst 20 күн бұрын

Doesnt even need to be a mail gauntlet. A leather one would probably be enough as long as the blade doesnt slip. You probably can even do it bare handed.

@colbunkmust 20 күн бұрын

The mail generally isn't in the inside of a gauntlet, makes for poor dexterity, but leather would be good enough if you aren't pulling it along the edge.

@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail 20 күн бұрын

At 4:33, Justabug is showing that the blade collar is one foot long. You could grab the blade there with no risk of being cut.

@tn1881 20 күн бұрын

The length of the Otachi Trou tachi used by Magara Naotaka in the 16th century, which is in the possession of Atsuta Shrine, is 221cm.

@The14james 20 күн бұрын

good video , good length

@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 16 күн бұрын

Me: Time for a Skallagrim video, I suppose Skall: *mic breathing*

@pensmith 20 күн бұрын

Though its more for trick drawing, Seki Sensei did demonstrate that with a bit of clever hip work and by grabbing the naked blade you could draw a very long blade and sheath it with style. I tend to look at sephiroth's sword like an oversized calvary weapon. The guy got wings after all.

@balintkovacs4089 20 күн бұрын

Possible steathing technique if you have the extended collar on a blade exceeding wingspan: grip at the collar just enough to put the tip in, the let the weight of the sheath slide it down onto the blade. Most likely by holding it vertically upwards. Just brainstorming here. Also one thing that just came to mind as is possibly closer to the mentality behind Sephiroth's sword: Cavalry swords. For example Polish winged hussars used a cavalry sword that had a one handed grip - for obvious reasons, aka their other hand being occupied - but a blade length that was enough to hit infantry with, so it reached almost do the ground level. Considering that Sephiroth often fights huge monsters or he himself is in flight when swinging it, the design could be a sort of "aerial cavalry/polearm" fitting sword. Just a random thought but maybe worth considering.

@Tootongtaoako 20 күн бұрын

Please look up Kojiro Sasaki who fought against Mushashi Miyamoto with a nodachi called the washer man's pole. Mushasi carved out his boat oar to make a longer weapon than Kojiro. Apparently Kojiro has a technique called the swallow cut. Kojiro might not really exist. Sephiroth and Cloud Strife are based on Kojiro and Cloud. I have seen a lot a videos discussing if the Masamune can exist but they never discuss the historical basis for the weapon. You can even say that the buster sword is based on Mushashi's wooden weapon carved from his boat oar. This channel should really discuss the duel between Mushasi and Kojiro because those 2 were using oversized weapons that seems to be from fantasy.

@MrMetonicus 17 күн бұрын

Just a Bug has a great channel. Very informative and sword nerdy.

@Belnick6666 20 күн бұрын

the William wallace sword in the william wallace monument in Stirling looks pretty heavy, the offered reproductions, but it was thousands of dollars, lol

@remingtonlamey3464 20 күн бұрын

Hey skall would love your thoughts on weapon pairings for bending in avatar. A lightly touched topic that I find really interesting

@ThePhantomSquee 20 күн бұрын

Shining example of how to respond with grace and civility, from both of you. We love to see it.

@Hamisback 19 күн бұрын

In terms of re-sheathing really long Nodachi/Odachi. I've that there are historical accounts of having the sheath sitting along the length of a horse during transportation, so it could be drawn by someone dismounted as they were more so designed as anti-cavalry weapons.

@thearchlich7273 20 күн бұрын

There is a Japanese sword even longer than 野太刀 (nodachi ) - it is called 大太刀 (oodachi).

@Krishnaeternal 20 күн бұрын

My take was that Skall was talking about that particular replica in the shop, and not a piece of artwork drawing. The proportion of that replica looks fine. Drawings can be any length. Nonetheless, great that it's cleared up 🙂

@alexwilmes9496 20 күн бұрын

The thing with these super long nodachi is that you wouldn’t usually be the one carrying it around, you’d have an attendant whose job was wrangling all your weapons. The attendant would hold the saya while you drew the blade (most likely while you’re on horseback) and then go to work.

@alexwilmes9496 20 күн бұрын

Also Sephiroth doesn’t use a sheath.

@MonkeyChessify 20 күн бұрын

I just love how there's two people talking completely different country/civilizations and they developed essentially the same techniques/features of the sword. It makes sense obviously, I just always think its neat when basically disconnected groups converge to common practices

@user-nq2oz8tf2l 20 күн бұрын

The Sephiroth sword is definitely way longer than the two handed sabers in historical example. The Chinese, Korean, and Japanese two handed swords are all pretty similar to the lengths of European two handers. Not too many examples I can find of them being used in combat except for the Ming Dynasty era against the Woku pirates, except they also call their halberds the same name. Han dynasty two handed jians exist in museums as well, but appear to be more like execution swords rather than practical weapons. Either way, I'd think the troops carrying them would unsheathe them right before going into battle and then just carry in on their shoulder.

@mastergreenfox6004 17 күн бұрын

So, I wonder, In the case where a blade is sharpened all the way down to the hilt could someone still use a forward grip onto the blade as long as they has a fully armored hand. Or would that not protect the hand enough / not really be able to grip enough / be too likely to damage the sword?

@ForwardSynthesis 18 күн бұрын

With a single edged sword, can you pinch grip the back of the blade portion with your hand to help sheathe such a long blade?

@pranakhan 15 күн бұрын

I think we can see some of the techniques as to how the blade would be used in a great Korean action film on Netflix called "Revenger". I imagine that the sword wielded in that film is on the shorter side compared to the blade shown here, but the essence of the movement is probably quite similar I'd imagine.

@joonashannila8751 9 күн бұрын

Sephiroth and Cloud's swords are probably the most iconic swords in fiction, right after Excalibur. Every kid from 90s has dreamed about them.

@tristanmilner9511 20 күн бұрын

In Princess Mononoke, the character of Gonza has a sword that's a little bit longer that he is tall. He has a subordinate to help him sheath and unsheathe his sword. Given how such a sword would require specific training, I think it's safe to assume such swords were carried by high ranking people with sizable renown and money.

@DeadMimicked 20 күн бұрын

This was a great pair of responses =u= Learned new things, and I'm happy now in knowing that my own culture's got its' own HEMA going on. ALSO ALSO, this may be impractical but this reminds me of the nodachi forms I'd watched by chance where the blade itself was far longer than the user, and she seemed to simply hold further up the blade in a pincer grip to sheathe/draw the blade after initially drawing as much as she could from the handle. It seemed to add a second or two but it seemed pretty seamless. Not sure if you'd see this comment but it's still a great thing to know about.

@eliasdeleone7059 20 күн бұрын

A marine once told me "With the proper amount of force, anything is possible."

@natureboynatureboy7190 19 күн бұрын

Just a intermediate sword enthusiast myself. I've noticed among Western / European and Eastern sword enthusiast, when handling the topics of oversized swords such as nodachi or overweight swords like the 9 ring Dao that one element is generally left out of the equation. Horses. In military application fighting from horseback with an oversized weapon that would have limited use from a ground soldier gains much more advantage from horseback. Similarly with over weighted weapons like the 9 ring Dao and other such poll arms would be exhausting to use for a extended period, we're really meant to be used for disabling an opponent's horse such as chopping at the leg s

@CDKohmy 20 күн бұрын

5:26 speaking of wrapped ricassos, I've seen a few schiavonas with wrapped ricassos. It makes sense that the leather wouldn't survive, on most swords. That said, how common do you think they actually were? I feel they'd be popular among modern sword users to cut back on maintenance (I know gloves are common, but it could be better in the heat).

@LostInNumbers 18 күн бұрын

Note about Sephiroth sheething Masamune: When Sephiroth was alive, he had a retiune of Shinra troops under his command and could easily order one of them to assist him. During the events of the game, Sephiroth is some sort of a ghost anyway and his sword is part of his manifestation. (Do we ever see him with his sword shithed in the games?)

@ronwingrove683 20 күн бұрын

This Ssangsudo demonstrates the upper limit of practical sword length in the same way that no-dachi or European flamberge do, but Sephiroth's masamune is something like 50% longer again, putting it well and truly in the fantasy category.

@devincombs4509 20 күн бұрын

on MichealCthulhus channel there is a video of his that's like 10 years old where he made a replica of Sephiroths sword and I believe he said it was like 10 feet long, the footage of him swinging it shows how heavy that thing was (like everything else he makes)

@Baradiele 20 күн бұрын

For the very little I know, there exists Nodachi that are over 6 or 8 meters long but are and always will be for cerimonial show, not use. In LEGENDS those were used. So, in a way, Sephiroth's Masamune isn't fantasy for existing but for the fact that he actually uses it. I too do possess a Nodachi about 1,80cm high in total and I can kind of use it but I never had the chance to actually practice any form with that kind of sword...just saw some videos about it.

@Hc2p3n4t4rp 7 күн бұрын

So something we didnt know, or rather we didnt piece toguether since the og (the Mythril Mine is a place you HAVE to pass), is that in FF7 world Mythril is something that exist and something they already outperformed with technology, it still has its uses but preatty much all but phased out Meaning that while its mostly impossible in our world, the developers did take that into account for the world narrative Also, its been confirmed Masamune does not have a sheat, or at least not anymore, Sephiroth preatty much keeps the blade out the time on missions, or allways now, tough he can now summon/recreate it from wherever it actually is, but on his Shinra days he kept it on a case until he hit the field, like how we transports guns

@heroicsire338 20 күн бұрын

I don't think it's just his superstrength, but how much he overpowers most people that makes the lack of leverage not a problem. They don't show him straining at all while blocking even Cloud's attacks at one point, so he doesn't really think he'd need extra leverage if 1st class soldiers fighting seriously can't do much to stop him.

@303-azrialazhar9 20 күн бұрын

at first, watching this channel to see cool swords and techniques. but the longer i watch, the more i actually learn to think realistically and reasonable from you looking at things

@Ash-Winchester 20 күн бұрын

Babe, wake up, skallagrim dropped a sephiroth sword video.

@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369 20 күн бұрын

Oh I hadn't thought about that but yeah, the more spread your arms are on the grip the more counter-leverage you have

@markpotts7186 6 күн бұрын

Speaking of the buster sword and it's weaknesses, what if you made the handle thicker but made holes in the center that you could put your fingers into? Would that work? I know that would add to the weight but think of like brass knuckles openings similar to that for your hands.