Hardened Super Wood! - Can It Rival Steel?
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There are a few ways to harden wood and make it more useful as material for buildings, tools, and even weapons and armor. How about taking it to the next level, with a treatment that makes it able to withstand getting stabbed with a screwdriver? It can even be molded, so imagine everything that can be done with leather, but now it's harder than even the densest exotic hardwoods. Fascinating stuff!
** Time Stamps **
00:00 - 00:41 Intro / Research article
00:41 - 01:48 Thorum rings
01:48 - 02:32 What wood is made of
02:32 - 03:57 How they densified basswood (23 times harder!)
03:57 - 05:32 How does it compare to metal?
05:32 - 06:11 Potential for making armor
06:11 - 07:49 Application in construction (nails)
07:49 - 09:25 Can a HW knife REALLY be 3x sharper than steel?
09:25 - 10:19 Usefulness / TRANSPARENT augmented wood
10:19 - 10:39 Inspiration for fiction (Solarpunk, high-tech elves)
10:39 - 12:47 Historical “what ifs” (improved war clubs & armor)
12:47 - 13:12 Daggers, swords, axes made of super wood?
13:12 - 14:55 Final thoughts / outtakes / outro
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** Sources **
Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic
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Researchers Make Wood Stronger than Steel
www.voanews.com/a/4270554.html
phys.org/news/2021-10-hardene...
Schematics overview of the major wood components, cellulose, hemicellulose, and lignin
www.researchgate.net/figure/S...
Transparent wood: the building material of the future?
phys.org/news/2019-11-transpa...
Wood Hardness Chart
www.schenckandcompany.com/woo...
Wood hardness according to Brinell scale
www.floor-experts.com/hardnes...
Hardness of mild steel, bronze, oak
material-properties.org/mild-...
material-properties.org/bronz...
material-properties.org/oak-w...
www.engineeringtoolbox.com/bh...
Pacific Island War Clubs from Polynesia
www.new-guinea-tribal-arts.co...
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Outtakes:
"Little People At Work" by Horrorpen
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Outro:
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@papawheely3627 2 жыл бұрын
So, what I'm hearing from all of this is that medium and heavy wood armours for druids are not unrealistic.
@ShugoAWay 2 жыл бұрын
Yup that's what i am here for in fact i have created in game hardwood brigandine that with mending and occasional piece replacement functions similar to plate armors
@retrodarktrooper6372 Жыл бұрын
People talk about heavy wooden armor for druids as if rocks don't exist
@blazecrep7849 Жыл бұрын
@@retrodarktrooper6372 good luck trying that shit, is like trying to do a diamond armor
@OnetastyJoe Жыл бұрын
When it comes to fantasy games theres really no reason to keep it strictly to realistic degree. Ive been working on a setting for my DnD campaign where the elves would grow trees in forms of armor pieces that are put together when its ready. Remember, elves live a really long time so taking environmentalism to the extreme in this way sounds cool to me. Treating the armor with druidic magics while its slowly growing to fit the intended wearer and making it stronger over time.
@patrickday4206 12 күн бұрын
The Chinese built armor that was better than metal
@steepinclineclimber3118 2 жыл бұрын
You got me at super wood.
@conlinbryant5037 2 жыл бұрын
I love hard wood
@karaokebaozi.64 2 жыл бұрын
Pootis
@LordofTheLords5 2 жыл бұрын
You got me at Hard.
@lol5776 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect pfp
@ENVYaqua 2 жыл бұрын
That's what they called me in high school
@Tevatron044 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a baseball bat maker and engineer, and have been looking at wood densification for baseball bats. One thing to note, the hardness goes up but also the density goes up. The strength to weight ratio is actually very close to that of real wood, so densified basswood made at ipe level density will have roughly ipe level strength. It isn't a magical performance increase and its main benefit is cost efficiency over performance increases. It's good for going beyond natural wood capabilities, but strength to weight ratio does not go beyond natural range. It has major issues with moisture and movement in service. Epoxy impregnated wood is brittle and has reduced specific strength. So super hard wood is still a niche product, not for the industry yet. Otherwise, it'd be everywhere by now. Now, the process that seems most promising to wood industries and is currently implemented is the process currently used with wood veneer, which is surface densification. Think of it as case-hardening, but for wood. You harden and compress the surface of the wood while the core remains natural and light. This has the effect of reducing wear and tear while not making it super heavy. It's like how you hammer bronze to work-harden it. They're all the same effect. Case hardening carburizes steel to make the surface harder. Hammer bronze to work harden the edge. Compress the wood surface to make it harder while density doesn't go up as much. Ironically, this has been done unknowingly by baseball and cricket players for centuries, called boning the bat or knocking the bat for cricket, where you rub a bone, hammer with a mallet, or rub a hard metal bar to compress the wood and close the pores. It is effective and very well known and i believe this process might have been used for ancient weapon makers, although sources are hard to come by. I can imagine it so, since it's so easy. The effect of compressing the surface also makes fitting attachments easier since the wood will expand with moisture, filling the gaps. This is prevented with a good sealer and finish, but it isn't perfect. Shellac and tung oil is the historical finish of choice, but it can sometimes pop the grain, which ruins the densification I rub a steel bar on all my bats and players can tell the difference
@RubSomefastOnIt 2 жыл бұрын
have you tried any boiling, drying, and vacume impregnation with epoxy?
@Tevatron044 2 жыл бұрын
@@RubSomefastOnIt not me personally but my buddy tells me it's too brittle. He tried vacuum and oven dried cherry and walnut and impregnated with epoxy, densified it to the high density bat level on a 271 turn model. Getting an evenly round surface is hard and the results were underwhelming. It hit just like a regular hard ball bat and then flaked off. The effect of the epoxy had the slight benefit of making large barrel turn models hit like higher density turn models, but at that point, might as well get a High Density bat. Surprisingly enough, hardness in baseball is not as important as rebound. It's just that wood has poor rebound, so hardness is used as a substitute to prevent energy lost to deformation. A brittle process that is good against scratches will be bad for baseball
@galetalon3133 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tevatron044 I have to tell you I rather enjoyed your read here. I actually find this practical as someone who's constantly bushcrafting and looking for small ways to use time to better improve my tools around a camp site. The knowledge you just dropped wasn't things I'd normally consider and I'm grateful you took the time to post it.
@HavanaWoody 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the extreme case hardness of Bamboo it what gives it extraordinary properties, The technology is nothing new, It was adopted in the industrial revolution to manufacture bobbin spools for the weaving industry . I think lime wood. I recall a wood turner talking about it in a demo.
@Tevatron044 2 жыл бұрын
@@HavanaWoody lignostone is probably the oldest variant I've seen in the industry. It's laminated beech (a good strong wood in of itself) compressed into thin veneers and then bonded with epoxy resin. It's actually very famous and used everywhere for insulating transformers. Resin impregnated wood was used in WW2 for airplane components when they ran out of metal. So yeah you're right, this is nothing new. The new component is compressing the wood to remove the space between cell walls and removing the lignin. That is new, but like i said, it ain't special
@Thescott16 2 жыл бұрын
When you mentioned *ebony* as an option I felt I had to mention that ebony is currently illegal to harvest in most of it's native countries, and illegal to import into many western countries without certain certificates. Ebony trees are currently endangered due to the wood's popularity for carvings (from souvenir trinkets to piano keys to chess pieces) contrasted to how much ebony you get per harvest and how long it takes the tree to grow. The black wood that you know as "ebony" is actually just the _core_ (the "heartwood") of the tree, a tree that is is 6 inches in diameter only contains a core of about 4-5 inches in diameter (roughly 60-80%, depending on the species of ebony and the individual tree itself). Additionally, ebony trees grow _remarkably_ slowly and reach "maturity" at 60-200 years old (for comparison; it takes a Canadian maple tree 10-30 years).
@hcn6708 9 күн бұрын
Can persimmon heartwood work? They are the same genus
@HarryVoyager 6 күн бұрын
That kind of makes me wonder if you could use this method to make farmed pine have similar properties to ebony as an ebony replacement? Musical instruments tend to benefit in interesting ways from material densities, and ebony used to be used quite a bit before (and after) it became endangered.
@ArmchairDeity 2 жыл бұрын
You got me at “wood harder than steel”, but I doubled down at “forget wood so hard you can drive nails with it, you can have wood so hard it becomes the nail”. 😉
@morrigankasa570 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Viagra;)
@kleinjahr 2 жыл бұрын
Already have them, they are called treenails. Basically a tapered wooden pin, used a fair bit in timber frame construction.
@legate-lanius 2 жыл бұрын
@@morrigankasa570 “sounds like viagra” omg 😭😭😭😂😂😂😂
@JayM409 2 жыл бұрын
In Soviet Russia, Wood nails you.
@pearcesharper844 2 жыл бұрын
@@kleinjahr same question i ask aboot any person. Can they take a pounding?
@Luangrilo2010 2 жыл бұрын
On a wood chemistry course I took recently, we ended up discussing this article, focusing on the innovative aspect of the research and validity of its results (not to diss on the authors). I was a little bugged out by the applications they chose for the material. The knife test seemed devised to grant their hardened wood the best results. There is also the video of someone trying to cut a steak with the wooden knife that doesn't look very practical. And then there's the nail that does not seem that useful. Besides that, as my professor pointed out, the chemical bath they used to extract lignin and hemicellulose is nothing new. It is the same one used in Kraft pulping (sodium hydroxide and sodium sulfite). Even compressing the wood isn’t exactly new, they just used a powerful hot press. Putting that aside, the research is very solid, and we just wished they applied the hardened wood in more useful and less "clickbaity" stuff. Anyways, great video and very good insights!
@josueroberto7356 2 жыл бұрын
Did you end up discussing what these more practical applications would actually be?
@dynamicworlds1 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not as educated as you but I also suspect issues with chosen materials and applications. This being applied to something like bamboo/rattan to get the grain all in line seems like a good idea when you don't need a lot of thickness. Likewise, the shapes for their chosen objects leave a fair bit to be desired. For example the common round nail shape is more about ease and cosr of production via wire extrusion than the most ideal shape. The material here lends itself to being pressed into molds of the older flat-style which are still bought by woodworkers due to superior mechanical properties. Likewise, a straight edge blade may be fine for steel, but there are plenty of serrated designs this would take to better than plastic and which would work with the material properties to make a knife that's plenty effective. Further, they could also allow for more difficult to produce edge geometries like convex and concave (with or without serrations) to be easily be produced by molding. Trying to stick to shapes and manufacturing methods designed for other materials isn't going to yield the best results.
@miketheskepticalone6285 2 жыл бұрын
... structural members for composite aircraft and boats, from softwoods that are much more common than the hardwoods that are currently considered the minimum acceptable materials? Also, if you can mold while pressing, you can cut down massively on processing and waste.
@vsync 2 жыл бұрын
paper straws are also far less useful yet very popular
@Bacteriophagebs 2 жыл бұрын
@@miketheskepticalone6285 The problem with that is that this wood is in a bad middle ground. It's much more work to make than just farming hardwood, but not much less difficult (in theory) to make than fiberglass, aluminum, or steel. (Practically, we of course have all the industry for metals and synthetics already, making them easier.) And that's assuming the chemical waste isn't a problem, which it would be. It uses similiar chemicals to paper making, which is pretty nasty stuff. Basically, to be practical, it would require a world in which demand for wood outstrips the ability to grow it, but metals and synthetics are for some reason a problem. Oh, and also a situation where bamboo won't work, for whatever reason. That stuff grows FAST.
@GusCraft460 2 жыл бұрын
While straight up replacing nails may be out of the question, wood peg construction would become much stronger.
@Humbulla93 2 күн бұрын
Look up the company lignoloc they created the wooden nail, not only it's stronger but the nail contracts and expands at the same rate as the timber so no creaking
@Paul-cu9lu 2 жыл бұрын
The transparent wood for windows is really interesting. I'd like to know how they stack up to the various types of glass pane windows.
@CatacombD 2 жыл бұрын
From watching other videos about it, I think it's just a gimmick, sadly. Basically the end result is just a plexiglass window with some bleached/leeched wood fibers in it. You get a clearer window by just using plexiglass by itself, so the only real use ends up being an aesthetic one. Admittedly, it does look neat.
@alaljarensi6990 2 жыл бұрын
Or various strong plastic or polymer windows.
@fizz576 2 жыл бұрын
One big problem I have seen with it is the wood needs to be incredibly thin for much light to go through it.
@pedromoura1446 Жыл бұрын
@@CatacombD good enough for a skylight. You only need brightness not to see the sky.
@CatacombD Жыл бұрын
@@pedromoura1446The problem remains that the only real use is aesthetic. Sure, if you want to use it, you, of course, could. That doesnt change the fact that it's essentially just an overpriced plexiglass window. You could use them for a skylight, but what practical purpose do they serve that a tinted plexiglass window couldn't do better and cheaper? None, because the only value these transparent wood windows bring is aesthetic.
@khilorn 2 жыл бұрын
A good thing to remember is hardness isn't everything. When it comes to "strength" of a material you also have to think about directions of stress. ie shear, compression, and tension. I'm curious how this material is against stress.
@michaelriddick7116 2 жыл бұрын
If, when and how it shears would be interesting... If you plabe the edges how well does it hold a blade? Etc I vaguely remember a comment or story that was attributed to the Spanish conquistadors speaking one of the weapons the tribes was a paddle shaped implement made of Brazil wood. They claimed it could decapitate a horse with a single swing ... thats extremely impressive!
@mrkiky 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say this. I have a hunch it will not hold up well as a polearm or staff. Plus the only reason you can harden the really soft wood so much is because it has a low density and then you compress it more. With already hard wood, you wouldn't be able to compress it that much, and it stands to reason that you won't be able to get wood as hard as bronze, because it's still made of , well, wood. And lastly, the transparent "wood" more of a "just for the sake of it" kinda thing. A youtuber (NileRed) did this, and it involves burning away some components of the wood, and then replacing them with epoxy to the point where you slab is more than 50% epoxy. So it really has no applications (other than decorative) and it's very hard to pull off.
@choronos 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, super hard materials are often brittle as balls. It's not very difficult to smash a diamond or break a cast iron pan.
@DariusBaktash 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrkiky Absolutely true on density vs. material. Lignin and cellulose have their limits as a basic material and no density will overcome them. As to making transparent wood, it's the same issue. You're not really making the wood transparent so much as replacing lignin with other materials. From a fantasy perspective, anything is possible, but hard sci-fi and you're no longer really using wood.
@Hendiadyoin1 2 жыл бұрын
Also a factor that is very important in engineering is the specific strength, so the stress a material can withstand in comparison to its mass Some woods can have better specific strengths already than steel or aluminium (In specific directions) Would be interesting how this stuff measures up
@andreigabrielion9575 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine fighting someone with a transparent quarterstaff. It would be kinda tricky to keep the weapon in your sight. Also, a hardened wood quarterstaff would be brutal.
@MyrmidonRadd 2 жыл бұрын
Transparent weapons seem practical until you consider actually using them. Once they get blood or even just dirt on them, then they're just back to being the same as visible weapons. Though, this might be an interesting concept for Bows and Arrows, if you can make the wood both transparent and flexible...
@Omniseed 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyrmidonRadd they don't have to be invisible to throw off the opponent though
@lred1383 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyrmidonRadd They're transparent, not invisible. You would still see the weapon, but during the fast chaos of combat it's easier to lose track of. A tiny bit of blood or dirt won't change that, you'd have to soak the whole thing in sticky mud for it to actually matter
@yamiyomizuki 2 жыл бұрын
speaking from experience, you really don't need to see your weapon, any more than you need to see your arms or legs to know were they are. in a fight your eyes are on your opponent and their weapon, not yours.
@tamlandipper29 2 жыл бұрын
Break up the outline. Transparent tip could give a nasty shock, or a transparent shield rim.
@LMF1716 2 жыл бұрын
The first question I have when we start talking about utility with hardness is what's the shear strength. There's a huge difference between armor that would deform, armor that would shatter, and armor that would budge at all. All of which also apply to modern day practical uses too
@shadelich8417 2 жыл бұрын
I would rather have armor that deforms but holds it strength
@Bob_Adkins 2 жыл бұрын
There used to be a product called "gamma wood", which was ordinary wood soaked in resin. The resin was hardened by exposing it to radiation, presumably gamma rays. It was much stronger, harder, but also heavier than normal wood.
@lordicarus8807 2 жыл бұрын
I love the way you respect the ressearch and its intended uses while pointing out its shortcomings. That's exactly what a scientific process is. Congrats Skall. Big fan here!
@Skallagrim 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@holysecret2 2 жыл бұрын
It also reminds me of the fact that we shouldn't overstate and exaggerate things beyond what is reasonable. Had these articles not claimed "it's stronger than steel", Skallagrim wouldn't have had to point out in this way that it is not in fact as strong as steel. Without that exaggeration, we could have, from an unbiased viewpoint, been impressed by how that wood is almost as strong as bronze, or perhaps even stronger. You can so easily ruin that sense of awe when you put things into perspective where it's not really reasonable to do so
@drops2cents260 2 жыл бұрын
@@Skallagrim One small request about 4:04, though: please don't call people who write such wannabe tech-journalism drivel "journalists", but rather address them as what they actually are: bloody hacks and muckrakers who only give _actual_ journalism a bad reputation. (Full disclosure: I admit that I might be a bit sensitive about that because my mum is a retired journalist who used to write for various reputable German and Austrian newspapers for 25 years.)
@craigalston2208 2 жыл бұрын
@@Skallagrim here in the USA we have a tree called a HONEY LOCUST TREE that was commonly used in the place of nails to make pegs / pins to hold together buildings and furniture & boats . These trees have thorns that grow up to 4-inches long that make very good wooden nails do to their hardness . Do these trees grow in your country or have you ever heard of them ?
@joshuacantin514 2 жыл бұрын
I agree; his analysis of the paper sounds a lot like what I have seen or would expect during the peer review process. (actually, he is much more respectful than a lot of peer reviewers can be...)
@DatBoiOrly 2 жыл бұрын
the reason it goes so hard is to do with density of the fiber so the harder the wood is the harder it is to get even harder since they're already extremely dense. i think the reason they went for basswood is rather simple they used it because it has the most void spaces than any other wood hence producing the best results possible
@FalkonNightsdale 2 жыл бұрын
Also it's probably easier to "wash out" during the preparation stage…
@ziggarillo 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@ziggarillo 2 жыл бұрын
@@FalkonNightsdale Yes it may be more difficult to harden hardwood to the same level
@kazzTrismus 2 жыл бұрын
chemically washing wood till it becomes a sponge and then impregnating it with a harder substance (fibreglass resin) and allowing it to harden under pressure/vacuum has been done for a long time. it gets incredible results... but its almost exclusively used for furniture guitar parts fret boards and decorative purposes as going full composite usually bears better and stronger results/uniformity etc
@zach4505 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps using thin veneers of hardwood in the chemical treatment process would allow for a better penetration of the hardwoods. The treated veneers could then be laminated in the pressing process. Playing around with layer orientation and choice of laminate adhesives could add some strength maybe.
@nickstein3129 2 жыл бұрын
I've made a wood core resin sword before. It worked pretty well. I recommend looking into it. Kept it's edge more than I thought it wood.
@bazookaboss332 Жыл бұрын
That typo at the end is intentional, innit?
@ice9ify Жыл бұрын
haha, You wood think that
@kendo2377 2 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid my dad had an iron wood letter opener that was sharp enough to cut skin and draw blood. A wooden sword made from the right material and indexed correctly would still be lethal, imo.
@DraganKKWCZ 11 күн бұрын
Why would you need a sword when you could have spear
@palarious 2 жыл бұрын
I've been following this tech for years. It has HUGE applications in the construction sphere, beyond just flooring and wood nails, which would be great in cabinetry applications.
@judethenekogamer3651 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely see the potential for many things
@miles11we 2 жыл бұрын
Based on the paper it wouldn't surprise me at all if basically all other properties are negatively effected by this process. You are completely destroying the structure of the wood and just making it denser, not necessarily stronger in any way apart from hardness. Nails (as used in modern construction) need to be soft
@palarious 2 жыл бұрын
@@miles11we Densified carbon composite strands. That's basically what you're left with. The only reason we like softer nails is that the steel loses sheer strength as we make it harder. For a wood nail, composed of a different material, this may not be the case.
@1NeoCross1 2 жыл бұрын
I don't remember the specifics but it might of been Norway that has wooden sky scrapers, they used treated wood for the support and there are videos on the process with benefits and drawbacks.
@miles11we 2 жыл бұрын
@@palarious but it likely is the case. Look at something like gaboon ebony vs something like oak. The ebony is sooo much more dense and hard but its incredibly fragile in comparison. So take that and remove all the stuff that keeps the fibers connected to eachother, thats basically what you get. Not saying it won't have applications but let's be honest, they totally tested other properties but chose to not include that data.
@FlyingNinjaish 2 жыл бұрын
Having read the article, the fact that they don't give a stress-strain plot of hardened wood compared to steel (or aluminium) indicates to me that it probably can match soft metals in hardness, but it's probably more brittle with less total capacity for strain energy. Intuitively this makes sense, hardening materials often comes at the expense of reduced elasticity.
@zach4505 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you could use the pressing part of the process with different species of wood. Think of having a "mild" wood and a "hard" wood being laminated as you would weld mild and hard steel in a San Mai knife construction.
@FlyingNinjaish 2 жыл бұрын
@@zach4505 The issue, i think, is that you'd still have a sandwich of different flattened pieces of wood on top of each other. One of the advantages of metals compared with alternatives like composites or ceramics is that you can fuse any two (or more) metal components via welding, whereas one a composite or ceramic is cured or fired, that's what you've got. You need to use fasteners or adhesives to connect pieces. Here, you might be able to arrange some kind of interlocking wood surfaces that prevent sliding once they're pressed together, and use an adhesive to keep it from separating. But at that point it becomes a question of that this offers that a composite (i.e. the carbon fiber/resin used to substitute for aluminum in larger parts of the Boeing 787). If it's only renewability, bioplastics might be a better option. And it's not like metals are non-recyclable.
@ColonelSandersLite 2 жыл бұрын
@@zach4505 "I wonder if you could use the pressing part of the process with different species of wood." Not really. There is a reason they used a tiny piece of bass wood. *Real* wood can take a *lot* of weight. A piece of real hardwood in a useful dimension would probably take far more force to compress than we could economically deliver. I seriously doubt the biggest presses in existence today could do it. When you start looking at a dedicated facility to do the job and you factor in economy of scale, I would say *maybe* but I would be surprised.
@KoaStudio 2 жыл бұрын
Like a brick you get a material that has extremely high compressive strength but without the fibers you won’t have a good tensile or shear strength. Different hardwoods also have varsity different grain structure resulting in pros and cons for different applications.
@draconisthewyvern3664 2 жыл бұрын
also, wood isn’t renewable, it literally takes decades for a tree to grow. seriously go to one of those old mining camps and towns where they cleared basically the entire forest. an it’s been decades since and the new forest is no where near as big as it once was. wood is NOT renewable. an as for replacing plastic, we already have more eco friendly replacement for plastic...COMPOSTABLE plastic....plastic you can actually use in fertilizer and it breaks down much easier and safer. (also plastics have various qualities other than their durability and flexibility that makes them hard to actually replace) as for replacing steel... maybe in smaller applications freeing up more metal but highly unlikely it’s gonna replace steel on the whole.
@barenjager9678 2 жыл бұрын
1:12 as a blacksmith my heart warmed when u said patern welded rather than Damascus.
@Nurk0m0rath 2 жыл бұрын
One thing a lot of people seem to forget is that people nailed things together with wood all the time back in the day. They just started with a drill. The whole process is called "pegging," and it was the preferred method of attaching things on ships, even when nails were available. The main benefit I can see to this research into hardened wood is the ability to keep making modern materials after we exhaust readily available supplies of limited resources, like oil, which is necessary for plastics. I don't see it replacing steel anytime soon, but sooner or later we will have to replace our reliance on various plastics with something else, and this could be part of the answer.
@DrexisEbon 2 жыл бұрын
Yo imagine fantasy elf armor made of refined hardwood. Fantasy dwarven armor thickness, but on tall elegant figures with a more fitting elvan theme.
@cass7448 2 жыл бұрын
For example ironbark from the Dragon Age universe... minus the "tall" part because Dragon Age elves are pretty short.
@dikkie1000 2 жыл бұрын
Could be done quite efficient, laminate silk/linen/thin layers of hard wood with a good glue and you'll get something comparable to plywood and trespa, put a good laquer or paint coat and you're there. Even shaping it over a mould would give you a good start on shapes.
@WulfgarOpenthroat 2 жыл бұрын
Every transparent wood I've looked into is impregnated with resin to gain both it's transparency and strength, so it's really more wood-fiber-reinforced transparent plastic.
@trequor 2 жыл бұрын
Like virtually all other "sustainable" technologies, this one still depends on good old oil.
@joshuakarmann7488 2 жыл бұрын
@@trequor That's kinda because human civilization depends on oil. Still doesn't mean people shouldn't try and innovate.
@trequor 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuakarmann7488 Of course. But it helps to be realistic and to not oversell these "alternative" products. The way that the media portrays oil as being obsolete is very irresponsible. The whole world runs on it and it's a vital asset that should be protected.
@ngVAT579 2 жыл бұрын
@@trequor agreed. Renewable and sustainable tech should be developed sure. But thinking that means dropping oil 100% is just stupid. The vast majority of things we manufacture have at least some ties to oil.
@joshuakarmann7488 2 жыл бұрын
@@trequor Oh I agree it is a trend to over exaggerate how good some 'alternative' products are. And don't worry I don't think oil is going away anytime soon. We humans are shackled to it.
@uncle_thulhu 2 жыл бұрын
I'm remembering a quote from Discworld. I think it was in Last Continent (which is set in a pastichè of Australia). To paraphrase: "You might laugh at the idea of wooden weapons, until you see the wood that grows here".
@SamChaneyProductions 2 жыл бұрын
It makes me happy to see Skala nerding out about materials science. I love composite materials and natural materials and this is a great combination of both
@douglasyoung927 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! As a Bladesmith and a Bowyer, I can say definitively that hardness has nothing to do with how strong a piece of wood or steel is. The exact type of wood and steel, the exact way you are using it and the way it's treated is far more important than the surface hardness. There are just too many trade offs in the real world to make absolute statements or cherry picked comparisons. Like silica glass is generally harder than carbon steel and purple heart is generally harder than mild steel but all of these things break a lot easier that a car tire. It's a valid and fascinating field of study but I feel like they were asking all the wrong questions and presenting all the wrong points.
@NaturalStateWingChun 2 жыл бұрын
As a fellow bowyer/bladesmith I completely agree.
@peteroleary9447 2 жыл бұрын
This is true. See my post above explaining that since hardness, unlike tensile strength or Young's modulus, hardness is not a fundamental property of materials; making it impossible to compare/convert hardness between dissimilar materials.
@gwydionml6479 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the resonance qualities of these hardened softwoods are, and if they might be able to replace exotic hardwoods in musical instrument construction that are endangered. The fact they added oil for water resistance does make me think the hardened wood might be particularly susceptible to water though
@dresdenthedragonbee7837 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what sound youd get with a hardened softwood guitar.
@defenestrated23 2 жыл бұрын
Cellulose is kind of hygroscopic. I bet if you left this hardened compressed wood out in ambient air, over time (weeks/months) it'll draw in water and swell. This would reverse the compression effects.
@coppertopv365 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting concept, something there that needs researching. Maybe that way we can leave the harder wood trees and build beautiful instruments from a softer fast growing wood.
@sumduma55 2 жыл бұрын
@@defenestrated23 that's where oils and finishes would come into play. But outside of that maintenance, I completely agree.
@SepticFuddy 2 жыл бұрын
@@defenestrated23 Not sure how much water it would really be able to draw in with the natural ductways collapsed. I remember reading a study done with linseed oil and tung oil, showing how the polymerization basically just massively shrunk (but did not completely seal off) those ductways, and that seems to be good enough to make wood highly water resistant. I imagine the compression would have a similar effect of blocking moisture from penetrating past the outer portions, and their polymerizing oil treatments would obviously reduce that even more. Unless it just gets soggy and disintegrates or something, then you really need to seal it up well
@derisathartfelt5293 2 жыл бұрын
This just came across my feed and it was very exceptional. It got my imagination going on the applications of hardened wood and transparent wood. Liked and subbed. Well done
@NBDYSPCL 2 жыл бұрын
I gotta say Skall, sometimes i dont watch your videos for a while but then i get the urge to binge all of the ones I've missed and it's like catching up with a friend you're always pleased to see. Gotta love those parasocial relationships.
@comradebork 2 жыл бұрын
In NetHack, elven weapons are made of wood. **NOW** I understand how they do it. This was a great science video.
@quint3ssent1a 2 жыл бұрын
oh wow, I heard about reinforced wood, but never thought Skall would actually test it. Fun fact, I also heard about it from that same article.
@a_wild_Kirillian 2 жыл бұрын
Забавно видеть подобный ник у человека, который читает научные статьи на иностранном языке
@woodglove Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you taking the time to break this down. It's a very interesting subject.
@pest5373 2 жыл бұрын
Man always come across your videos on KZfaq. Been watching them since I was a child. It amazes me that there is this amount of sword related info to share you deserve a medal
@ArthurEKing8472 2 жыл бұрын
Skallagrim there are actually some chemistry youtubers I know of that might be interested in collabing with you in order to make such a weapon! I would speak with NileRed (Canadian!) or CodysLab both of whom have done all sorts of weird chemistry experiments. NileRed actually already attempted to make some of that transparent wood, so the hardened wood sounds like it'd be right up his alley! Once you HAVE the hardened wood though, there are all sorts of blade smiths, metalworkers, and other kinds of arms and armour makers in the community who would love to work with this kind of material! So I think this is definitely something we can make happen!
@partnermammoth2562 2 жыл бұрын
its amazing how advanced all these medieval history channels like metatron and shad and skall have become going from nerds messing about to actual intellectual conversations using studies and explaining the science behind it all
@alphonsofrett2757 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for sharing your hard work and excellent video
@maunz5791 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating topic, nicely done Skull!
@evilwizard7931 2 жыл бұрын
An unbelievable amount of info in such a short video & an awesome setting. Thank you. I was curious what the weight to strength ratio of the hardened wood to steel would be.
@what3269 2 жыл бұрын
Even if this makes for a more economical and timely replacement for slower growing and rarer hard wood, that would be amazing! Like, if you could grow a field of pine or basswood in a year and convert it into a harder wood for furniture or whatever else you would usually use hardwood for, instead of using pine or maple that take years and years to grow, that's amazing.
@arronjerden915 2 жыл бұрын
For pine try 30 years with thinning cuts for pulp wood every 7 to 10 years.
@glennchartrand5411 8 күн бұрын
Bamboo Replace hardwood with bamboo
@johno.8181 8 күн бұрын
Nilered has a very detailed video of making this hardened wood and seeing if it can be bullet proof! I haven't seen anyone else mention it in the comments yet, but I definitely recommend it.
@Yojimbro71 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating as always! Thank you.🤙🏿
@joanignasi91 2 жыл бұрын
You're making Matt Easton jealous with those "hard wood" puns
@ryanjamesloyd6733 2 жыл бұрын
Hempwood is an interesting composite. looks similar to oak, but is stronger- they're using it currently as a sustainable alternative for oak furniture and flooring.
@willofdodge1 2 жыл бұрын
Man you hemp guys say everything is better with hemp . Also what's more sustainable than wood it grows back?
@GirishManjunathMusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@willofdodge1 hemp grows faster... (Not a hemp guy, just know it's faster to grow)
@mitchmaule6517 2 жыл бұрын
@@willofdodge1 and people like you who have no idea are exactly why we bring it up so you can learn something and stop doing things the dumb way👍🤘
@Dell-ol6hb 2 жыл бұрын
@@willofdodge1 basically every plant is more sustainable than wood, trees take like 30 years to grow enough to harvest so it really isnt actually sustainable since you will always need to be cutting down old growth trees, hemp on the other hand as well as all other domesticated crops grow very fast by comparison
@NemamZadnejKanal 2 жыл бұрын
It is more expensive, it does not withstand humid environment...
@dmw282 2 жыл бұрын
That was in fact fascinating, thanks guy!
@abyssoulzenith 2 жыл бұрын
I like that you mention the Northwest armor! Very cool stuff!
@comradebork 2 жыл бұрын
5:39 And wooden armor doesn't interfere with spellcasting.
@Skallagrim 2 жыл бұрын
Not susceptible to lightning magic either. :) Weak to fire though.
@ethangnasher3848 4 ай бұрын
@@Skallagrim a fair trade, considering lightning can be quite unpleasant and devastating.
@matthewfergusons4318 13 күн бұрын
I think that you have a mosquito but a super version of the mosquito I have a turbine gas turbine engines
@jamesfrankiewicz5768 2 жыл бұрын
Some of those hardwoods tend to fracture easily, I wonder how this stuff holds up that way. Note: if you want to make staves or practice swords for sparring/impact practice, make sure to research which hardwoods are good for that, and watch out for grain structure (you want that as parallel to the length of your staff/wooden sword as reasonable possible).
@SysterYster 2 жыл бұрын
You gave me too many ideas about elves and wood now. :3 Time to implement. :D
@scharftalicous 2 жыл бұрын
this is a super interesting paper that you're referencing!!! I have read this and want to start making things...
@PossumKommander 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about modern bullet armor. Steel plates are heavy, ceramic is fragile, and polymer armor is not really useful against rifle rounds.
@Thephantomofthreerivers 2 жыл бұрын
Safe lite has FRAS armor now, Imagine a soft iiia vest that bends put stops rifle rounds. Honesty I haven't understand why this haven't happened yet,but on Demo ranch someone made Steel dragons skin riveted scale armor,if we made riveted ballistic steel scale armor and covered both sides with Fras you could create a flexible suit of armor like Doom Guy.
@PossumKommander 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thephantomofthreerivers Cool but how heavy is it? My plate carrier weighs close to 40 pounds once the plates and magazines are in place
@Thephantomofthreerivers 2 жыл бұрын
@@PossumKommander With the steel riveted Dragon skin scale armor, Less heavy than a whole thick steel plate, but slightly heavier than ceramic,The FRAS on its own weighs Less than both,the only problem is you have to be a blacksmith and understand how to forge ballistic steel.
@Bacteriophagebs 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thephantomofthreerivers Steel scale armor would intrinsically be heavier than solid steel plates of the same ballistic protection. The scales have to overlap, but have to be the same thickness as the plates would be. The only advantage is flexibility. Safe Life's FRAS is the same thing--overlapping scales--made of more expensive material, and seems to be pretty much a cheaper copy of Stealth Armor Systems' HEXAR armor which has been around since 2014. It's also not really much lighter than steel armor, which weighs nine to eleven pounds per square foot. If you wear SafeLife's IIIa vest with their FRAS (as they recommend), that's just under 9 lbs per square foot, but would cost over $2000 compared to less than $500 for top-of-the-line steel armor and carrier. Also, NIJ has done some videos on SafeLife's armor that shows they skimp in a few places that make them borderline unqualified for their reported NIJ rating. FRAS just means Flexible Rifle Armor System, it's not a special material, though several companies _use_ proprietary materials for their FRAS armor.
@ColonelSandersLite 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thephantomofthreerivers "Honesty I haven't understand why this haven't happened yet,but on Demo ranch someone made Steel dragons skin riveted scale armor" The answer is *very* simple. Due to overlap geometries and the added weight of the rivets and such needed to do the dragon skin, a simple plate is going to be much lighter. Not to mention that a plate has the potential for optimizing the shape for deflection whereas dragon skin does not. The only reason that scale based armors where where historically viable is a simple quirk in manufacturing - It was *MUCH* easier to make a quality armor plate of a few square inches than it was to make a quality armor plate of a few square feet. With modern metallurgy and industrial technologies, this is simply not the case. In fact, it's the opposite. With a form and a hydraulic press a manufacturer today can crank out a plate in the desired shape and thickness by the boatload if they want to. Edit - oh, and it's important to recongize modern economy of scale factors too. The same factors that often make it cheaper to replace a machine than repair it apply to armor as well. It's cheaper to just manufacture a whole steel plat insert and carrier than it is to provide a replacement part and have a network of dedicated specialists that can actually properly replace a shattered/deformed scale.
@yammoto148 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how hardened wood, compares to naturally hard wood. Take Accadia as an example, its flame resistant, shock resistant, and is in fact so dense you can't make paper or rubber from it. But it makes very good furniture, housing, and clubs, the Zulu Knobkierre is no joke thanks to this.
@doubleedge2814 2 жыл бұрын
What an interesting topic that I've never thought of before. Good video Skall!
@LostAssassin624 2 жыл бұрын
This was truly interesting, great video.
@thetux459 2 жыл бұрын
As a follow-up, you could look into artificially petrified wood. I did a bit of research into it for reference in petrified wood as a building material in a fantasy setting.
@eldrevo 2 жыл бұрын
Are there any trustworthy sources you could recommend on that? Asking for a friend
@adambielen8996 2 жыл бұрын
This sounds pretty cool.
@ColonelSandersLite 2 жыл бұрын
That is actually a really cool idea. Nowhere near steel, but potentially useful if you could do it in a timely manner...
@RvEijndhoven 2 жыл бұрын
Artificially petrified? Petrifaction is the process of decay and moisture unevenly leeching the organic material from a buried piece of plant matter, in this case wood, and depositing minerals in the resulting empty spaces, creating a network of stone held together by lignin in the shape of the original plant. There's no such thing as artificially petrified wood. There's simulated petrified wood that is created by injecting dried wood with a silicate polymer. The main difference between petrified wood and the fake is that in the fake the silicate polymer replaces the water and air pockets in the wood, rather than the cellulose and hemicellulose. Which means that unlike petrified wood, silicated wood falls apart into sand as it ages because the organic parts in between the silicated pockets still eventually rot away. I find it important to point this out, because actual petrified wood is an interesting and often beautiful material and calling silicated wood 'artificially petrified wood' creates the impression that it's a similar situation as exists with natural vs. artificial diamonds (i.e. that literally the only difference is that the artificial ones are frequently *better* quality than then natural ones), when they're in fact very different materials with very different properties.
@adambielen8996 2 жыл бұрын
@@RvEijndhoven Thanks, that is actually pretty useful distinction. Though the idea of "manufactured" petrified wood in a Fantasy setting can still be done via magic.
@kamilszadkowski8864 2 жыл бұрын
So, without even watching I'm guessing that today's video will be about bog-wood. Edit: I was wrong. Huh, for a channel that often touches historical topics it sometimes surprises me how often Skall speaks about new technologies.
@Skallagrim 2 жыл бұрын
I'm full of surprises, eh? :)
@kamilszadkowski8864 2 жыл бұрын
@@Skallagrim Yup, and keep them coming!
@macdermesser 9 күн бұрын
Great topic. I learned a lot!
@patrickforshag2908 2 жыл бұрын
Love the video. The sound of the river sounds amazing, you could probably record it for hours and I’d listen to it lol
@MarcJaxon 2 жыл бұрын
This was a REALLY good video, Skall. Very interesting and informative. Didn't know this process existed, so thanks!
@ronmaximilian6953 2 жыл бұрын
I think this has a potential being great for construction. Before steel was cheap, this would have been great for building ships, especially warships, and forts.
@ActionCow69 2 жыл бұрын
Depends on how strong it is vs the density. And how easy it is to shape.
@silverhand9965 2 жыл бұрын
@@ActionCow69 the ease of working the material matters too Metal is very convenient to work with, but can you say as much for hardened wood? I'm not sure
@ColonelSandersLite 2 жыл бұрын
"Before steel was cheap, this would have been great for building ships, especially warships, and forts" Not really... There's a reason they compressed a tiny piece of bass wood. *Real* wood can take a *lot* of weight. Far more than a pre industial society can economically temporarily apply in order to compress a substantial piece of it. So you may be thinking "bull, I need proof". Well, you can find video here on youtube of some guys restoring a german ww2 Elefant. It weighs about 65 metric tons. To take its tracks and wheels and stuff off to work on it, they support it on wood blocks. The total square footage of the blocks used to support the thing, in contact with the hull, is less than 20 square feet. So what's a useful lumber dimension for building a ship and just how much force to you expect this pre-industrial society to be able to quickly apply and remove from a pieve of timber? Hell, honestly, I have doubts that we can make real use of this idea *today*. *Maybe* something like a 300 tonne steam roller or something operating in their sterile conditions could do the job but I doubt it. Their idea seems to rely of an even pressure and a steam roller just doesn't deliver that.
@espositogregory 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with the geometry. With a more thick body than competing steel made to angle quite acutely by long measured length, the performance of this hardened wood will surely do impressively.
@robertoaguiar6230 2 жыл бұрын
This is very interesting for construction. Material science has a lot to contribute to affordable housing and accessible materials that can be renewed and always available.
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty rings. Cool stuffs. Now, back to playing with our wood... The problem with replacing plastic and softer steels with wood is that it is much less simple to create, requiring more cost to obtain similar utility, and doesn't adapt well to industrial scale. That mitigates against widespread utility.
@gustavocamargo3817 2 жыл бұрын
There is the problem of plastic being dependent of oil, which will eventually end. Having research on how to make effective substitutes is a good way to prepare for the future
@Skallagrim 2 жыл бұрын
It has drawbacks for sure, but on the upside it's renewable. And I would guess that it's probably significantly cheaper to produce than steel too. Boiling it in chemicals for a couple of hours, pressure treating it, drying and soaking in oil seems much less involved than running a steel mill with blast furnace and all that.
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
@@gustavocamargo3817 oh, absolutely. Also, getting people used to the concept of paying more for their conveniences. But realistically, this isn't really a bulk solution, merely an adjunct - albeit an interesting one.
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
@@Skallagrim you have consider the costs involved in creating, shipping, storing, and disposing of the chemicals safely too. Likewise, the costs of the amount of hand-work, as I can't see this product readily adapted to large-scale automation. Lastly, there's the necessary lead times and resource consumption in the substrate - lumber. Hardwoods, especially, take time - a couple decades - to grow to useful sizes. All of which moves it away from mass production and increases costs.
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
Which is not to day that I don't find this a fascinating concept, with real uses. Transparent wooden window panes? Yes, please! Lighter, more resilient, and more shape-adaptable than glass, and with a higher R-value, too. Architects and builders both would LOVE some of that. Wooden storage-wear that doesn't rely upon fasters, but is air-tight? Might be a bit boutique, but it would (wood) certainly appeal to a lot of people. Other uses, as noted, abound. So - interesting, and worthy.
@eldrevo 2 жыл бұрын
As a filthy treehugger, I'm sorta interested in videos like this! Great material for fantasy worldbuilding. So very helpful, thank you, keep it up.
@forcelightningcable9639 8 күн бұрын
Raymond Feist built a whole fantasy civilization around this
@goliathz9l597 2 жыл бұрын
I discovered the idea of transparent wood not too long ago on NileRed's channel. It is really interesting to think about this tech in all kinds of contexts. It would be awesome to see axes made with a super hard, transparent haft or blade (maybe even stained?) that would add so many aesthetic options. Great vid, Skall.
@HerpingTh3Derp 2 жыл бұрын
Wood you believe it?
@PersistentMeow 18 күн бұрын
Hahahaha
@jackflanagan903 2 жыл бұрын
I could imagine a race of wood elves that wear super hardened wood armor.
@Saturnus_Ouranos 2 жыл бұрын
Also: in Riftwar, (a really old fantasy series that I’ve read recently) the Tsurani Empire of the world Kelewan were using hardened wood as a sort of replacement to metal due to the near lack of metal in Kelewan, with metals being considered as a sign of wealth (especially gold)
@raziell 2 жыл бұрын
I've always thought it odd that elves who are so into natural methods would go with metal weapons and armor. Wood makes way more sense
@marocat4749 2 жыл бұрын
And in fantasy thre has to be pretty hard an magical wood, which makes even lesser sense
@wiretrip1 2 жыл бұрын
I knew about the transparent wood process but not wood hardning, very interesting indeed, I can see loads of applications for both of them (I like material science and making things). That glowing wood control unit though, that looks effin rad. I need some of that in my life, holy bells 🤯
@huntervonhollen2580 8 күн бұрын
NileRed stole your whole flow bro😮
@theforcedmeme 2 жыл бұрын
The double entendre is strong in this one
@James-ep2bx 2 жыл бұрын
The idea of wooden armor reminds me of the time someone, mythbusters I think, tested the idea of scalemail made from paper, and got surprisingly good results
@si1verg3cko 2 жыл бұрын
I remember that episode of Myth Busters and it was a pretty fun watch. I felt like there were a few other things they could have done with it but didn't but still interesting.
@knavenformed9436 2 жыл бұрын
Well yeah aside from material damage is caused by force, minimizing it even with seemingly the weakest methods will have the strongest base effects the technique provides, better materials give a better outcome with diminishing returns. Does anyone knwo the exact episode though, kinda want to see it now.
@guyincognito959 Жыл бұрын
Not a lot to add, but there is a certain fictional fantasy book. In The Malazan Book of the Dead, the warrior karsa orlong uses a wooden sword that is treated with some special oil, and then later even a magically hardened flint greatsword. But he is not a human, more like a 3m tall barbarian from the steppes... It really would be feasible, but in the end some metal is better suited for the task of whacking things :)
@hoodiecollier5542 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been obsessed with mettlewood for ages now! Specifically, i believe it has potential as a ballistic shield of sorts.
@Timestamp_Guy 2 жыл бұрын
This sounds very similar to the process used to make tempered hardboard.... boiled wood compressed and heated, then soaked in oil. tempered hardboard is very common, used in a lot of flat pack furniture, pegboard, packaging material, and available in just about any hardware store.
@zachary3777 2 жыл бұрын
True, but in hardboard the fibers are all chopped up, and it's weak.
@alaljarensi6990 2 жыл бұрын
Plus, that's nothing new tempered Hardboard has been around for at least a century.
@gatovillano7009 2 жыл бұрын
I see a big problem with using this as a building material: One of the reason we use wood and steal as building materials is that they offer strength and yet they are flexible at the same time. Flexibility is essential because it prevents the material from breaking under stress. A good example of this is why we don't make swords out of stainless steal. Yes, they would be easy to maintain and stainless is very strong. But stainless is going to shatter under the stress of a duel. If you increase the hardness of wood, it will break and your building will collapse.
@fredriks5090 2 жыл бұрын
The best alternative would probably be to breed trees so that they would be able to soak up metals, allowing GMO trees to be planted in mining areas or other polluted places. Imagine being able to grow organic beams, and all you had to do was feed them waste materials. Fungi already does this with trees to some extent, so it would theoretically be a fairly straightforward path into the technology.
@gatovillano7009 2 жыл бұрын
@@fredriks5090 Yeah, and imagine modifying people so that rocket boosters come out of their asses so that they can use the methane from their farts to fly to work... I'm a biochemist. I work with GMOs everyday. It doesn't work like that. Too much minerals within a cell will kill the cell.
@Skallagrim 2 жыл бұрын
As actual lumber you're better off with regular wood. As far as nails are concerned... maybe, I don't know how tough and flexible hardened wood nails are. I think the main advantage is upgrading softwood to something even better than hardwood, for applications where you'd otherwise use either exotic hardwoods or softer metals (brass, bronze, maybe cast iron), etc.
@francisluglio6611 2 жыл бұрын
Don't confuse flexibility with strength. You're imagining a relationship between flexibility and strength because strength is stiffness times deformation. With stronger materials being able to take more deformation because deformation being one of 2 parts of the strength equation. It doesn't have to be that way. You can have a strong material with high stiffness but not able to take a lot of deformation. The reason to desire flexibility (the exact opposite of stiffness) is because we don't want things to be brittle. Brittle materials fail suddenly and can appear weaker when motion is involved but they're not actually weaker just because they're brittle. In fact, the strongest steels are the least flexible steels. As a civil engineer, we actually try to use weaker, less brittle steels for the amount of warning time they give before they fail.
@gatovillano7009 2 жыл бұрын
@@francisluglio6611 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qq59g7Voy9LUlmg.html
@zacjohnson9076 7 ай бұрын
I love this video because it just validated so many wooden fantasy armors XD
@OzzyRampage 2 жыл бұрын
Take any porous wood like pine for example, and paint or soak in liquid super glue.Wait until dry, finish unpainted holding area, let dry. Paint multiple layers make stronger, will be harder than some metals. Great for making wooden swords, or even wooden gears, or spockets, and etc.
@hathegkla 2 жыл бұрын
the journalism was obviously crap but the technology is cool. I like that they aren't adding polymer to the wood like other treatments, like the clear wood that's probably only 20% wood. you might as well just use epoxy at that point. maybe not for weapons but as an engineering material it has a lot of uses. I'd imagine the abrasion resistance is a lot better with treated compressed wood.
@ragnkja 2 жыл бұрын
I’d rather say “you might as well use fibreglass”, since the wood fibres probably do contribute somewhat to the tensile strength. There’s no real benefit from using wood as the reinforcing fibres, however.
@kurokami5964 2 жыл бұрын
they need to make a plywood version of that hardened wood if you want any shock absorbing armor and the like
@MrMortull 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe do something like old longbows/composite bows so that one layer absorbs force, another dissipates it around and if those two aren't enough a third "cracks, but deliberately"?
@rogerlafrance6355 2 жыл бұрын
Lamination and composite have been around a long time. Armor in Japan made of paper, glue and lacquer. Other things added were horse hoof, ground or sliced, sinew and leather. Even simple glues like milk and vinegar get very hard.
@Bakubakuba 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome inspiration for sci-fi and fantasy
@DyllonMcDonald68 2 жыл бұрын
loved the video, new fan btw.
@Plastikdoom 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I mean nature already did, at least in compression, good timber is equivalent to steel in compression for structural purposes, that’s why you can hammer in pilings with equipment…the problem with wood as large structural members, is no good way to attach them securely, for tall structures, and not uniform, each one is different from the last, etc. and you know, things like bugs eating it, dry rot of if gets wet and dries multiple times, and well fire, haha.
@HalSchirmer 2 жыл бұрын
Just use black locust. Used as "treenails" (literally wooden nails) for pegging and nailing together timber frames & colonial British sailing ships along the East Coast. I have seen a dead, standing honey locust (close cousin of black locust), actually strike sparks when you try and cut it with a chain saw. Post Script- check out the Tedx video "Have Broad Axe Will Travel" - by Roy Underhill, which mentions how North America's industrial revolution relied on all the different types of hardwood and softwood that were available. I got to tour a local water-powered mill, the owner noted that to properly restore everything, they needed to get 23 different kinds of wood for the machinery - In much the same way you use different grades of steel or different flexibilities of plastic in modern times, the drive wheels were oak, but used osage orange for 'teeth', ironwood for spring tension, purple cedar hearts for waterwheels etc...
@brittakriep2938 2 жыл бұрын
I am german. My passed away uncle, who was carpenter/ Zimmermann once told my father, that as he was a teenager shortly after wwll , he had to make dozens of Holznägel/ wooden nails to fix oldstyle roof timbers (?)/ Balken.
@HalSchirmer 2 жыл бұрын
@@brittakriep2938 Well, as 1/2 "Pennsylvania German" in an area settled in 1700s from Franconia & Salford, the roof over my head is held together by Holznägel! But, it appears that an Irishman (other 1/2 of family) rebuilt the roof, and put the rafters back in the wrong order, JUST to mess with long-ago owners...
@brittakriep2938 2 жыл бұрын
@@HalSchirmer : Mistakes can happen.
@nicolasorozco1477 2 жыл бұрын
At the beginning when you did a close up and paused...right after you said "how hard can we make our wood", reminded me exactly of when my university Geography teacher began to explain "Lake Titicaca"...said it in front of the whole class..paused and waited for our reaction before moving on with the lesson.
@atreus7839 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, well cultured content. Keep creating Skall, you’re awesome
@FalkonNightsdale 2 жыл бұрын
12:48 - well, that would be a little complicated... That so-called "transparent wood" is in reality only something which could be called "cellulose-reinforced resin block" and there are several problems with the sensitivity of said resins to UV light (getting a yellow tint). However, you still would have to choose, whether you want "transparent wood" (fill gaps with plastic) or "hardened wood" (compress the gaps).
@NemamZadnejKanal 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention it's rather translucent.
@SophiaAstatine 2 жыл бұрын
Transparent wood, after all NileRed's content on the matter, doesn't strike me as the good kind of hardness. Brittle seems more fitting.
@ColonelSandersLite 2 жыл бұрын
"That so-called "transparent wood" is in reality only something which could be called "cellulose-reinforced resin block"" I think that you could more realistically call it resin with wood fiber filler. Naturally, there are easier and cheaper ways of doing that than bothering with trying to make transparent wood.
@michaelriddick7116 2 жыл бұрын
It would be most effective as a technique for making building materials in areas that getting steel supports, or other metal products into, is cost prohibitive or simply too difficult.
@CUBETechie 2 жыл бұрын
The highest cross laminated timber wood building is 84m high and stands in Vienna
@CoffeeMania-uq7if 10 күн бұрын
Mil Gracias, will cerainly be useful at some point 🙏🏼
@codymclean2078 2 жыл бұрын
Your a bad ass! I’m glad I know you and your channel good sir.
@sebbes333 2 жыл бұрын
A wooden gun! ;P
@Psiberzerker 2 жыл бұрын
Wood can be as Strong as steel, under certain stresses. Hardness is basically surface compressive strength, so wood can't really be as Hard as steel. However, it can have as good Tensile, Torsion, and Flexure Strength as steel of the same volume, and less weight. If you think about it, they used to use wooden leaf springs in wagons even after steel leaf springs were invented, because wood is cheaper, and easier to carve. (Than refine, form, and temper into spring-steel) At identical dimensions, but being less dense, the bentwood leaf springs were also lighter than the tempered steel ones.
@Skinflaps_Meatslapper 2 жыл бұрын
There are applications for every material out there. Thing is, wood already IS stronger than steel, it just depends on what metric you measure strength by. Hardness, on the other hand, is a completely different animal...and I just don't see any process being researched today that could make wood as hard as steel. And in reference to wood leaf springs, wood is still a superior spring in certain applications compared to steel, such as bow limbs.
@dollarbill6102 11 күн бұрын
Now i want a badass carved throne made outta this stuff. Also those wood nails would be great for woodworking. Ive used locust tree thorns as wooden nails before bc they are super hard when dried. Takes different woodworking techniques but the results are very nice.
@arcuscerebellumus8797 2 жыл бұрын
There's been wooden nails for a long time now. Modern kind are used in houses with extreme case of green fetiche along side CLT panels and other whacky cutting edge tech. Mostly in Germany. You need a specialised nail gun to work with them, though, that costs like a small house themselves.
@dkeith45 2 жыл бұрын
FWIW, when I was in Belize, CA early 80's, staying with some jungle natives (Garifuna's) they used a wood they called 'Iron wood' for axe handles, wedges, etc and it was VERY hard yet tough enough for tool handles like Hickory is in the states. It was almost too hard to shape with steel tools and they mostly seemed to use broken glass shards to shape it.
@MyMy-tv7fd 2 жыл бұрын
what works in a lab is one thing, but in the real world economics rules - how much does this process cost in a real application?
@anthonychin8610 2 жыл бұрын
It depends on scale of production. A similar hardening process has become very popular with maple in the guitar world over the past couple of years, and as more manufacturers have started to offer "roasted" maple, cost has gone down pretty dramatically. It's now really only a modest upcharge compared to regular maple, depending on the manufacturer of course.
@hammersmith1653 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao, love the blooper reel, sounds like what would happen if I made videos! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@SingularisFox 10 күн бұрын
I have clipped your intro out of context and it has now become a meme, I decided. You cannot stop me.
@NutjobwithaMachete 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to work with this stuff. I already work with oak and hickory to make Maori style clubs and make them able to actually cut meat. This would just be so neat. Thanks Skal!
@ziggarillo 2 жыл бұрын
Hardwood is made out of the same stuff as softwood, just denser. So I doubt starting with hardwood would end up with a harder final material, it would just compress down less to get to the maximum hardness possible.i would suggest the final result would be much the same.
@ohauss 2 жыл бұрын
Precisely. Much easier to use something that's soft and grows rapidly.
@My_Op 2 жыл бұрын
More content like this please!
@vikingjedi4328 2 жыл бұрын
May the force be with you, old friend.
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