wow this is bizarre. I thought you were doing it pressure at first, and it was flipping heelflip, then I watched it like 10 times frame by frame, and I get what you're saying. Very strange

One man's warmup is another man's video part.

I'll take front shuv looking hardflips over 360 shuv looking impossibles.

That clip of Muska crooked grinding that rail with the boombox on his shoulder is at my home town skatepark! Its in White Rock, B.C. Canada! 😎🤘 i was there that day... i was 9 years old lol.

obviously i don‘t understand the trick either. i‘m sorry for flipping it the wrong direction. this would be the muska way to varial/inward heel then. we‘ll cover the flip version in an upcoming illusion flip video. this truely is the most confusing thing to me 😂 title fits perfect 🙏🏼 see u guys soon ❤️🙌🏼

"wow. almost died" LOL

When I was a kid in the late 90's early 2000's nobody in my circle understood that hardflips were front shuv + kickflip, we all thought you HAD to do it vertical, in between your legs. The way the board flips naturally if you just hit the tail straight down basically.

I started skateboarding in 1997 or 1998. For me and my friends, a hardflip was vertical by definition. Otherwise it was a variation of the 180 flip. Nevertheless, everybody knew Muska for his signature ES shoes with the special compartment!

we always called the front shuv style tricks "illusion flips"

YES! Hopped you would bring the Muska Flip one day!

The hard flip... SWEEP THE LEG, JOHNNY

You know you’re good when you do a Heelfip late shuv as a warm up

Everybody always gets so caught up on trick names!

I would say it spun the heelflip way. When you do a regular hardflip, the graphic would be facing your front side and grip tape facing your back side as it's flipping. This video shows the grip tape facing your front and graphic facing your back. Maybe you invented the illusion of the muska flip?

Wow man, the dedication is amazing in this one. Keep up the good work! Absolute bliss to see you skate

You should do a side by side comparison of a front shut and the muska flip. This will really show the difference between the 2.

Younger skaters don’t understand, but this was the only way to hard flip with style back in the day.

So, that was the most stylish pressure varial heelflip I have every seen

Thanks for sharing, I really appreciate your dedication to pefection.Also there's really know one who does what you do.Its awesome to see your always smiling in the end.Mission accomplished.

this is a perfect illustration of what some of us were trying to say to defend you in the hang ten video. The angle facing the way you travel shows it flipping but the side profile one looks like a shuv. I'm glad you made this video.

Hahahhaa the windows error sound at 0:47 make me laugh so hard 😂😂😂😂

I think the problem came up with the tonyhawk games, before this was muska flip, and a "shovit flip" was a hardflip, then everything got mixup. From a brazilian 90s kid

THAT WAS AWESOME YOUR TRICKS ARE SO SICK GREAT VIDEO BY THE WAY ANYWAYS ARE YOU SAVED? I COULDN'T IMAGINE HEAVEN WITHOUT YOU YOU HAVE A GOD GIVING TALENT KEEP UP WITH THE GOOD WORK

Thanks for including the comparison at the end. It is beyond obvious these are two different tricks when you see them back to back.

It looks like a vertical pressure flip to me, because if you look carefully, when you see a normal hardflip from the front, you can see the graphic of the board, as opposed to an inward heelflip (or a pressure flip), where you see the grip all the time, just like what you did. It's a very stylish pressure flip

6:33 - what trick is that? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a Hardflip flip the board Kick- side and not Heel- side like Jonny did?

Perfect explanation with the board Jonny! really cool how you require less of a flip the more vertical the board goes, the intro trick almost looked like it was gonna be a zero/monster flip when I first watched it ahaha, great video

Bro your heelflip late shuv is sick great job broski! Keep up nice videos. Nice hardflips sick!

I put this at .5 and .25 to try and make sense of the rotation and it sounds like Giger has just done a bunch of Quaaludes. LOL

It's a cool looking trick, but the half flip is rotating the heelflip direction. Not a hardflip, almost more of a pressureflip but really slammed down

glad you addressed this in the comments. I studied those slomo clips over and over and the board flips heelflip side.

Mr Geiger I love you. You are incredibly good at skateboarding but yet so humble.

Brandon turner won trick of the year by switch front shoving wallenberg.!

The first clipped you showed had the board going heal side, like we saw grip when we should've seen the graphic. Later on when he did the hard flip again we saw the graphic tho.

Well illustrated, amazing how the camera angle makes such a difference🤘

this is great. me and one of my best friends used to have discussions like that 15 years ago, because his hardflips looked like the ones in this video. nostalgia is calling lol

Location at the beginning was Stuttgart, Germany. Penny was also there....people went crazy back then, Penny and Muska were gods

Giger your insane 😯😯😲unbelievable great! For me the best in the world. God bless you Bro, big up! 🌍💪🛹🛹🛹🤩🤩

This is how I always used a hard flip before my back injury. Nice one Jonny. 🤜🏼🤛🏼

Your warm up will be my lifes accomplishment

Flip is going opposite of the flick

this makes my brain hurt

Killer style, killer hardflips. Your warm up was my favorite part though 👌🏼

The board is flipping over while its turning vertical completing half of the flip, then the half rotation once the board is vertical would be rolling heel side since the nose and tail have switched places, hence the illusion. This has stumped me for a literal decade and I finally figured it out. Thanks Jonny

Hello from Russia !!! ❤️❤️❤️

That half flip is spinning the wrong way though (like a heelflip). That's why it looks like a fs shuv from the side, because you can only see the grip tape the whole time as it flips. Is that how muska flipped his hardflips?

The best explain i'v ever see! Thx Jonny you are the best

Jonny is a good guy. Lots of snow here too in canada skating on my balcony today

I like watching Sewa Kroetkov's hardlfips, the way he does them is sick, and it's VERY easy to see the board NOT flipping in a 'shoveit-ish' way. And to me it was easy enough to see that yours were totally hardflips. You COULD see the board flipping in a hardflip motion.

The muska flip looks like it's flipping the opposite direction. Like a backfoot varial heel Hardflip: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZdmbKiC2Nu7hWg.html Muskaflip: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZdmbKiC2Nu7hWg.html Both look sick 😎 #flipgate2021

Another legendary trick you made look easy, nice work 👌

finally someone broke down the difference from a Muska flip, Hard flip, and Pop shuvit.....Nice work Jonny

When doing a hardflip, the graphic faces towards the front of your body. In this trick, his grip faced the front of his body. You can clearly see at 4:50 when he does a real hardflip that the graphic faced the camera but when he does the muska flip, the grip faced the camera. This is just like when you do a dolphin, the graphic will face in front of you but when doing a dolphin heel, the grip will face in front of you. There's no way to do a hardflip and have the grip not face in front. Its just not possible. Ok so after watching the video, at 6:34 if you slow down the video, you can see that the board begins to flip the opposite way that his foot would have flicked it if he went for an actual hardflip. Right after he pops, you can see the board begins to flip heel flip wise but since the board goes just slightly frontside because it's impossible to do a perfectly vertical trick, that means the board did less than half a heelflip and a front shuv, making this a regular frontside shuv that simply went between his legs. Its a really cool trick but it is NOT a hardflip. You can also compare his front shots of both tricks and see that in the hardlfip, the grip faces the right and in the muska flip, the grip faces the left.

Finally someone illustrates this. The “illusion” hardflip or Muska hardflip - it flips half and flip for sure! I first learned them this way and you can feel that it flips and it feels kinda like magic really lol. It’s definitely not a front shuv. Though it does look like a shuv like half the time, from certain angles like you demonstrated. Bravo sir

Heck yea dude! I remember in 2000 ish i was only person doing hardflips the correct way created a bunch of arguments, but the difference you can tell between the tweaked pop shuv and the muska style is that the flip happens really fast within the pop, i noticed it best with the behind angle more than the front. Keep crushing it giger!!! 👊🏻

Muska Flips were always my favourite trick growing up, switch or regular, it feels so good to catch and stomp it down - Illusion Flip Bodyvarial

I Feel like muska's hardflip really is a hardflip, but this one on the video looked more like a pressure flip popped high as fck, but then again, my hardflips kinda look like this. So i don't know

not even close to a hardflip because the board is “half flipping” heelflip direction

The artwork on Revive boards are super good much respect

So sick. I'm blown away by your skill every video. Also, is your pro model a limited time thing or will it be in stock on revive for awhile?

I wouldn't count it as a hardflip since its flipping the wrong way 😂

Its flipping heelflip direction though. Its like some weird pressure varial heel

I don’t even skateboard and I love watching your channel.

You are seriously one of the best

Look at the clip of Muska doing his flip over the hip @2.23 and then your flip @6.40, your board is ‘flipping’ the wrong direction man.

Look at the hardflip at 4:33, the graphic faces outward from you, because it flips. Now look at the 'hardflip' at 6:20 , the graphic is facing behind you aka it doesn't flip, or 'flips' the opposite direction to the fs shuv. So i definitely would not call it a hard flip. I think my main point of contention on your hang ten one was actually the fact the shuv part of the hardflip is literally the wrong way. The shuv went nollie varial direction and not nollie hardflip direction.

He says that he cannot hard flip but they are squeaky clean. Nice work, and nice synopsis of the Muska hard flips!

Favorit Skater, ur vids r always so good and ur Skateboarding ist just great! Oredert ur Pro Model 2 Weeks ago, but I'm still waiting haha but yeah I'm hyped for the Board.

Looks like a pressure flip. Lol. Trying to make you angry

I was 2 seconds too late

damn.. so many years waiting for somebody explain this

Man that place looks so nice to skate, like just the scenery is mind blowing.

There is no confusion lol it's just internet being internet

I don’t even see the front shuv. Use me as this is still a hardflip button.

One of the greatest skate debates!!

Dude, THANK YOU, HUGE THANKS for this video, you just cleared one of the most agonizing doubts I had in my mind LOL. Now I can sleep peacefully at night (You could do a video like this on inward/hard heel flips and the infamous Ghetto Bird too, sorry for asking too much hehe) Huge thanks, from a brazilian THPS OG generation frustrated skateboarder

For a real muska flip, you gotta flick.

You know what? This actually IS a front shuv. I just sat with a fingerboard recreating it. My mind was completely confused. No, this isn’t a hard flip. It’s like a weird half pressure flip from the toes, but it doesn’t technically flip. It’s a very tweaked front shuv.

dude one of the older guys was like nice front shove and said it wasnt a hardflip. I died a bit inside and never did them after that. I grew up in that era and so of course i looked at muskas hardflips thought I was doing them right. This makes me feel good inside

Mr. Giger, Thank you so much for agreeing with me on hardflips. I also consider the vertical/Muska flip a hardflip. From my experience the way you get the Muska hardlflip over the other one is too much *OOMF* in your back foot. Transferring the focus of *OOMF* to your front foot/the flick will create the more traditional hardlfip. But I 100% agree the Muska flip feels a lot more natural. Sincerely A fan that is very happy to have just bought your pro model.

This video is such an illusion!

But... He just spin the board like a hell front shov... It is a hardflip??

Hayyy Jonny!! Love the channel! Just started watching a few days ago.. i have lived this debate with friends for over 15yrs now.. my suggestion for you to show EVERYONE that it is indeed a hardflip without explanation! , is for you to film a couple of them with you coming straight toward the camera rather then a side view.. they will no doubt see that this is a hard flip!! End of debate! :D

the catch on the muska style hard flip is so dope.

Muska had the sickest hardflip of all time. Call it what you want. It’s a hardflip bottom line. He just did it better than anyone in the game.

Vertical hardflip would be a 180 vertical rotation and half *kickflip*, that would show us the board image, not the grip tape. What we see on a video is a vertical pressure varial heelflip or vertical pressure inward heelflip. The board shows grip tape, meaning this is half heelflip. Because the board also does vertical rotation, it is impossible to tell if this is varial or inward because there is no "front" or "back", it is vertical. And finally, there is no flick, so it is a pressure trick.

i've always loved this version of the hardflip over the "inward kickflip" version.

I freaking love your videos dude!!

It’s not muska flip dude, muska flip = fs 180 kickflip through the hardflip

More of this please! Mistery Tricks!

I got the same Ethnien now. I realy enjoy them, Pop shuv it's Arena very eazy to do them, and they hold very good on kick flips, heel flips and ollies. Best of all !!!!!

I'm so glad you made this video. This is how I hardflip, but my debate is whether it's flipping in the kickflip or heelflip direction. Now that I'm seeing it in slow mo I think it's actually heelflipping so maybe it's a super inverted varial heel? Either way it's super stylish. I've never thought it looked like a pop shuv, it's too cool to be that

I love your “poor little fragile soul” 🤣 I was still with laughter.

@7:30 if anything it’s a pressure front heel varial illusion...the board doesn’t flip as if it was kick flipped, it flips towards the heel flip side ...the ones at the very end and the beginning were proper. back in the 90’s when Muska was doing the hard flips this way, the verticle way was the preferred way...but not exactly at 12 o clock vertical more like how you have it, between 1 and 2 o clock...

Great explanation Johnny. Killer execution. Cheers! #FanForLife

Much love from Switzerland

Heel flip late shove is awesome bro!

I really love the view in the background

My last Giger pro model was stolen! I can’t wait to get this one, its not coming off my wall! Thanks for the comment on my insta Jonny!💪🏽🔥

I do my frontside flip using a variation of this method, the toe is more in the backside of the board's pocket. If you have done it this way, you can for sure feel it's a hardflip. I literally only learnt frontside flips because I was trying to hardflip this way, and my body rotates to avoid credit cards.