Skavenslaves trash? i'll show you

bonus points for Brood Horrors: Packmasters, the heroes that boost them, also ride Brood Horrors, so keeping them together as a group is very, very easy.

If you're think you're worthless just remember Skaven infantry exist

Melee infantry: *exist* Legend: "I diagnose you with trash tier." Rightfully so, of course.

Damn two tier lists in two days! Cheers Legend

Probably worth pointing out how much Legend relies on plague priests and their synergy with weapons teams armies for crowd control. That context helps explain his comment about 60% artillery armies being viable

Haha time for best tier list yes yes.

It is so funny how satisfying a tier list can be, great concept to do every so often

Rat wolves are actually pretty useful in early game from my experience. Mostly as a specialist unit to quickly get rid of stuff like grenade outriders or artillary though.

Would love to see an Empire tierlist exactly cus they aren't that doomstackable

Just a thought, but if or when you do the Greenskins unit roaster tier-list, would you be taking scrap upgrades into consideration? I know they are technically an outsider buff but I’d also argue that it’s as important to think about as recruit time or cost. For certain units it can make or break effectiveness but a lot, like how for instance normally Goblin archers are absolutely horrid compared to most archer units in the game or even their own faction, but if you add the armor piercing +400% they become immediately more effective against most greenskins prime enemies (dwarves). I understand if you don’t since it is a buff like a lord or a faction might provide, but just something to think about.

Legend, your best vids is you just talking about the game and evaluating it's units, factions, etc. I'd love to see more content like this.

Loving this series, it's very helpful as a relative newbie to Total Warhammer. Hope you do all the races!

Loving the tier lists Legend! Keep them coming thanks

Absolutely loving this series! These tier lists are fun to watch

This is awesome, hearing you gush over the skaven roster is very cool. Hope we get more of these!

Brilliant tier list again ! Can't wait for tomb kings and wood elves

Legend, please do a Dwarves tierlist? As much as I love my short-man-syndrome beardy bois, while I enjoy some of the units immensely, it feels like they don't perform as well as the stats suggest

Actually, when you spoke about summon unit, you've made me thinking that, you should have add hero units and lords, in the tier ranking. edit: great tier ranking btw.

The analysis in each section is really helpful. Appreciate you explaining how even trash units can be useful in the right situation.

I love the variety of playstyle you can have with skavens specially depending on the lord. Legend puts plague monks at trash but if you really want to play them you can make them work. Of course it ain't as easy as using plague catapults

Loving these! Really would love to see an Empire list!!

Gotta love legend pumping out tier lists these days. I look forward to these all the time. Love it! Keep it up!!

Honestly watching your videos has really helped me out in my campaigns keep the content coming

I think its frustrating how different the dynamic between lower difficulty and very hard makes it so there's certain army comps are way more viable. And then what makes it worse is that the things effective on Very hard are REALLY effective on lower stuff. Sometimes Id like to have varied armies, especially with lords that boost certain units

I love the concept of the Skaven. However I also saw them as a 'filler race' to weak to be worth playing as... and then I used the rattling gunners supported by death globe globiddiers and doom flayers. Now I love them.

Been really looking forwards to this! Thank you for all the hard work and effort you put into your job!

Keep the tier lists coming! These are a great way to learn about races that someone doesn't play a lot of.

Still love the skaven. Simply because they play differently to other races. Even if you have different clans you might have a bit different armies. The only race where you build different armies I think are the Tomb Kings, simply because you have to with them

These tierlists are very useful, thank you Legend!

Great tierlist, I've previously ignored the gutterrunners etc but will definitely check them out now

So happy to see you staying with this series and keeping up with the hasty uploads!

Excellent Tier lists, would like to see Hero tier lists eventually, because I myself can make easy unit choices, but considering how many heroes and wizards are there in warhammer total war, despite being experience player who was able to beat the game few times on very hard/very hard, I still dont know all the heroes, hardly a portion of them in fact.

Amazing tier list as always! Empire tier list as next would be great!

Love all of the new ideas you are exploring on your channel. Especially value where you walk through your thinking on various things. Potential future idea would be heroes - which to prioritize, traits to look for (and how important they really are, or are not), how to rank them up, and what they are especially useful for. I confess that I often skip around your old campaigns to get reminders on how you tend to do that or think about that. Could do the same with lords. Another idea would be technologies - good, bad, ugly, and priorities and why. Cheers mate - keep up the amazing work!

Love these tier lists and explanations. Very nice!

Can we do a Beastmen tier list next, Now that they're viable? Would be cool to hear your thoughts now that they're a playable faction. They've been in the dirt for so long, And it would be interesting since they're mostly a melee faction.

always waiting for my favorite faction even if Legend doesnt like them bring on the dwarfs and their grudges, would be an interesting video with discussions about how the different units work together because you cant really go without variaty in dwarf armys with all their sturdy infantry and the deadly artillery and missile units Khazukan Kazakit-Ha!

Really liking these. The content I've been looking for.

These are really helping me to understand how to use different race units and it's great.

I’ve had very good luck in the early game getting a couple plagueclaw catapults, warpfire throwers, a brood horror mount for the pack master and some of the wolf rats and then leadership bombing the edges of the formation. The wolf rats are slept on for their ability to hunt down stuff with their poison or magical attacks and high armor piercing. Can kill reiksguard real good. I think that’s a good early game army on a budget

Warpfire throwers, I've had EXTREMELY good luck putting them in a ratling/jezail/plagueclaw army as either a frontline or flank protection unit, depending on the fight. I've tried Doomwheels, I've tried Doomflayers, I've tried Abominations, against all of them I prefer my Warpfire throwers simply because they benefit so much MORE from post-battle unit replenishment if I need it. Also because holy crap do they melt infantry units.

Your enthusiasm for the Skaven has inspired me, my next campaign will be Skaven for sure.

Love the video again! Would like to see the Empire next, never really got into them.

Makes me want a hero tier list for every faction with recommendations on what skills /how you use them in battle

The Piercing Armour Variant of Wolf Rats can be quite useful at the beginning of Throt's campaign, when you're up against the Norse Dwarves and have nothing to oppose them besides the Skaven Slaves and Clanrats who cannot dish out any damage on a Dawi. Instead, you use them as cannon fodder and let the Wolf Rats attack them in the back.

wow life changing inspiring made my day. But seriously thanks for this Legend. Really helpful videos, makes me more comfortable with playing factions Ive never tried before

These are great, always hoped you'd do some kind of faction guides!

Just a few notes about the poison wind globardiers, mortars, the poison damage can and will affect your own troops, so make sure you're careful with what you throw at Also, gutter/night runner slingers have twice as much ammo as the night runner or gutter runner basic units.

Let's get an empire units roster next, great video.

Thank you for the video. I will definitely put this info to good use.

Haha the bait and switch with the Stormvermin. Thanks for these tier lists, Legend. Some of your best work. Dwarves next would be cool.

Spear & shield clan rats are pretty nice in early game, they aren't too costly, and they tend to live long enough for ranged units to to the job.

there's a kinda niche use for rat ogres that I think Legend overlooked: they nock down city gates in seconds. I know there are far more effective ways for skaven to take sieges than gate-rushing, but if you want to do that, rat ogres are your friends; they'll nock out the gate in an instant, then surge through to make room for the follow-up.

I think Wood Elves might be a fairly contentious one, so look forward to you doing a tier list on them

Bro i love these and need these now because i just got into Warhammer II after all these years i got Troy and returned it after 2 hours and finally pulled the trigger on Warhammer even though i know nothing about it your Dark Elf one helped me out a ton! If you could do either an Empire one or a those Egyptian dudes next that would be cool if not that's cool too just keep doing these big boss

For me the doomwheel always runs thru all human sized infantry, one of my favorite moves is having one run straight through an archer line with a flaming skull directly behind it. The combined knockdown and damage is devastating, not to mention the coolest looking thing you can do in the whole game

I feel like you should have included the heroes in these lists so we can see how critical it is to include them or if we can doomstack them like vampires

Thanks for the Video, great as always! Skaven are my favourite race. Would love to see Beastmen and Wood Elves, too!

loving this series. Would you consider showing one or two examples of good stacks after the ranking? I know it depends a lot about who you are facing and the general you are using, but perhaps a couple of examples of good all-round stacks could be a good starting point to work upon. Keep up the good work :)

'sometimes it feels [CA] specifically nerfes [legends] preferred units'. They sure do.

nice to see some love to the globadiers. I feel like they're too often slept on but you can get them pretty early and their damage is incredible and even with tech buffs alone they're gonna be paying for themselves easily even later in the campaign. people complain about their firing ark but it doesn't take much to get their speed up pretty good and just basic flanking will make them even more death dealers especially against cav, Death Globs are second only to ratling guns when making cav charges stop in their tracks.

Damn, legend really cranking these out... and I love it. More, more! Yes, yes!

Keep the tier lists coming!

Would you consider doing a tier list for hero's? There may be a weird number of them or might not be that useful but I think it would be fun to compare them directly!

Lowkey Skryre filling up the top tiers...greatest best inventors yes-yes!

Realy like those Tier Liste, very helpful.

I think, you are right of what I have seen other people play. It does make sense and I am going to start this Christmas in playing the game.

In this case of the Skaven, the Trash unites are the beloved and most used units :P ... For the sake of being bodies send to the slaughter... CA... If you see this... Give Skaven the option for a (WAGH) 10-15 meatshield second stack of just Slaves or Clan Rats.

I sometimes feel that the big problem with melee infantry is that they are too non threatening. Sure dealing damage isn't their primary purpose. But I feel that melee infantry should get some kind of ability to swarm single entities. Like maybe some kind of outnumbering bonus. Have a large monster count as many entities. But make it so that if you only take monsters they are going to get severely hampered. It's actually ridiculous that a lot of these monsters can wade into ranked infantry completely unsupported and come out unscathed.

one way to fix skaven normal clan infantry could be to allow them to summon lower tier units, stormvermin summoning clanrats and the later summoning skavenslaves, to really nail the endless amount of vermin down

This is exactly what I needed for starting my first Skaven campaign! XD

I'd like to see the empire, since it's one faction that have lots of units and often requires a more balanced army approach

The interesting thing about Warp Lightning Cannon is that even when I put them in an army with Plagueclaw Catapults, they tend to get more kills overall against most armies, whether they're infantry heavy or mixed with Cav. Their piercing shots don't seem to do as much damage as the plague shots on impact, but over time they just rack up so many kills.

Excellent video, a lot of people are going to improve !

Thumbs up. Love all the tier lists!

You could also recommend some army comps at the end of this type of videos.

I hope we get some more Skaven content soon. Not had anything for a while :-(

Very nice. I always tried using the weapon teams over any of the other types. They deserve their ranking. If there was any other thing I would like to hear from you is making mention of their ingame models, if you find them particularly good.

Super useful, I was so confused with all the thing-runners and blobadiers stuff I'd never build them and kept using only Weapon teams + Slingerslaves stacks !😊

Once you do all armies, you could do this with heroes/landmark buildings as well. Be interesting.

Interesting. I agree with most of these, but I find myself disagreeing with Rat Ogres. I used to find them as trash, but they seem to rack up kills somehow and are not as expensive as mutant rat ogres, so I wouldn't put rat ogres that low. I'm honestly not a fan of Mutant Rat Ogres because Brood Horrors are just so much better for the cost.

God your just doing all my favourite factions. Thank you.

Heyo, really excited for you to cover the Empire, doing a Balthazar Gelt playthrough rn and it can be confusing on which units are better 😅

You could finish out the Warhammer 2 races and then start on the game one factions.

Some predictions I have: Most melee infantry: Trash Plague monk censer bearers: C tier, maybe B. Could be doomstack with moulder but that needs a lot of effort Poisoned wind globadiers: probably C or B, just cause they do so much friendly fire, sometimes to themselves Death Globes: Maybe A because they can do so much damage Night Runners and Gutter runners probably B tier, poison variant A tier Skavenslave slingers A tier maybe, other variants C tier Ratling Guns, Jezzails, pestilent wind mortars all S tier Plageclaws S tier, Warp lightning cannons A tier Doomwheels either A or B, Doomflayers probably A. Brood horrors doomstack, mutant rat ogres A tier, rat ogres C tier and I have no clue about Hell Pit abominations. I’ve probably forgotten a lot of the roster, like wolf rats, but who ever recruits them anyway? P.S. Sub-trash for stormvermin

Great work on these, I don’t play empire but I would be interested in seeing their tier list over dwarves. Also would love to see a hero tier list at some point! Thanks for the great content, I know you mentioned being a bit down right now but keep up the great work and I know you are going to blow up with WH3.

wow legend you are pumping them right out

Ew melee units ~legen probably

Lol at Legend talking about CA constantly nerfing his playstyle, his whole playstyle revolves around exploiting things in the game so it makes sense they target those things right XD

Sweeet! Love these vids. Cant wait to see the Woodelves and Beastmen!

Great video Legend, thanks. I know why you don't want to include lords in these videos but I think it would be really good to include heroes to give people an idea of which heroes are good and for what situations, etc. Or maybe do a separate video on heroes. Food for thought. Thanks again!

Furst lol

Man, I don't comment a lot, I only watch a lot, but Legend. Awesome videos! Love this one! Take care lad!

All legendary lords tier list ? I love this tier lists videos .

Would absolutely love to see the Empire next on a tier list. Sigmar's blessings yes!

Loving these videos cheese man, keep it up!

Please keep making these videos... I just discovered this. Please do units of renown and lords/heroes too. So much content potential bro.

This is very helpful for a newbie like me, who tries to get into the game.

thanks for another great informative video