Skiing the Voile HyperVector XCD Style with the Rottefella Xplore / Alfa Free

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Tom M

Tom M

Жыл бұрын

The Voile HyperVector is a downhill ski used by AT skiers. I've mounted up a pair with the Rottefella Xplore off trail cross country binding to see if it is possible to telemark this huge ski with lightweight gear in soft snow. This video is not sponsored.
Mounting the Xplore binding on a S-Bound 98 • Mounting the Rottefell...

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@d7a7s7
@d7a7s7 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Tom for taking the time to make these videos - especially important for those of us that live vicariously through them , always a joy to watch .
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 6 ай бұрын
I appreciate the kind words and thank you for tuning in and for subscribing.
@mek3007
@mek3007 3 ай бұрын
Great to see this kind of hybrid experimentation. I’ve been thinking to try the Rossignol BC 120 Positrack with Xplore in deep powder - this gives me confidence the ski and binding would work well together! Looks like a blast! Thank you!
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 3 ай бұрын
I've been very happy with my wide ski / Xplore setups for skiing soft snow. I have not skied the Rossignol BC 120 (120-90-105), but I suspect that you will have a similar experience to mine if you have good snow conditions and use a supportive boot. I have posted several videos of me skiing this combination this season, this one being my favorite kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e7eUrc6Ukt7GfGg.html
@mek3007
@mek3007 3 ай бұрын
@@tomm9850 Looks amazing! Really nice video. Yes, going to use the Alfa Free boot and see how things work out! Can't wait.
@andrewmacaulay1585
@andrewmacaulay1585 Жыл бұрын
Your taking the imagination into reality Tom…neat set up. 🤔 New Brunswick Canada 🇨🇦
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
It has been a fun journey and a great season. Thanks for the feedback and I hope you are having a great week.
@chris38663
@chris38663 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks Tom!!
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it! Thanks for tuning in and for posting feedback.
@jasonwooden
@jasonwooden Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I realllllllly wish Rottefella would have just come up with a lightweight NTN-tech binding (Dynafit tech toes + NTN tele duckbutt) and encouraged their boot partners to follow suit with a lightweight, high-range-of-motion, tele-flexible NTN-tech compatible boot. Seems like with the Xplore they dumped a lot of effort into creating a new proprietary standard that tries to span the gap between NNN-BC and NTN (to replace 3-pin 75mm?) which is only useful in limited applications like you show here.
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in Jason. Only time will tell if the Xplore system has staying power. I think it is a great alternative to 3 pin and NNNBC and soft leathers. It skis pretty well for XCD (cross country downhill), especially on a narrower ski like the Objective. I don't think it ever was their intention to be the free heel equivalent of an AT setup. I'll gladly pop the Xplore bindings off these skis and replace them with a lightweight NTN or tech binding if Scarpa would release a lightweight updated plastic boot for the tele crowd.
@jasonwooden
@jasonwooden Жыл бұрын
@@tomm9850 re: "I'll gladly pop the Xplore bindings off these skis and replace them with a lightweight NTN or tech binding if Scarpa would release a lightweight updated plastic boot for the tele crowd." I'm waiting on pins and needles for that day Tom! Yeah, I just don't see the need for Xplore IF lightweight, slipper-like R.O.M. NTN-Tech boots existed. I would have liked to see Rottefella's R&D efforts go into a lighter weight NTN-Tech binding for this imaginary boot, instead of coming up with yet another standard. Sigh.... P.S. I really like the Objective. Skis very sweet, like all of Voile's skis.
@scottbalsai
@scottbalsai Жыл бұрын
I Love my Ultra Vector BC skis with my old Merrill leather double 75mm boots and my T3's and T4's. I bought twp pairs. One for exclusively backcountry/cross country and one for backside of Pebble Creek Ski Area and the ski area itself here near Pocatello. They don't seem to be too much ski in the soft snow conditions I use them for with my leather boots. But they are a bit hard to get on edge for ice or hard snows with my leathers. The T3's and T4's have no problem ever, but they're not as nice or as fun to kick and glide with.
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting your experience Scott. I'm looking forward to putting these to use. I'm hoping that someone will develop an Xplore boot with the power of a T3 or T4, but in the meantime the Free's will work fine with this ski when the conditions are good.
@JustinBaker2567
@JustinBaker2567 Жыл бұрын
I have the same skis in a 164 length with switchback bindings. I've skied them on my merrel ultras, a medium to stiff sole leather boot with a plastic reinforced cuff. The hardwire cables give me a lot more lateral stability and the free pivot is much better than a 3-pin clamp in super deep powder, it allows the tips to float and the tails to drop. I've struggled a bit skiing them in deep powder, but it's good to know its more my technique than an issue with soft boots. For southwest colorado I find them to be bare minimum float for efficient travel after a big dump. I've found myself skiing downhill up to my knees in them before. I only use them for those sort of days.
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to skiing mine in deep powder. Your setup sounds perfect. Thanks for posting and have a great week.
@stvbrsn
@stvbrsn 10 ай бұрын
You voided your warrantee! Lol.
@alexmacdonald258
@alexmacdonald258 Жыл бұрын
Voile recommends these skis for my weight & height. The blowup of the construction says it's a "reinforced mounting patch" for the bindings, but don't say what that's made of, then the carbon weave, then the Paulownia wood core, then another layer of carbon weave. Pretty bombproof construction, from the looks of it.
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
I agree and I'm very confident that the screws will not pull out of mine using the Xplore and soft boots.
@williamabenejr8516
@williamabenejr8516 Жыл бұрын
Tom, I think Voile's Hyper line of skis are their lightest version of each ski which is achieved by using Paulownia wood instead of Poplar. Paulownia is lighter but doesn't have the pull out strength of Poplar hence the warranty void. My local shop, who I have mount my skis, has a policy where they use threaded inserts on skis with a Paulownia core for added pull out strength. I have them use these inserts on all my downhill oriented skis even though they have Poplar cores. They only charge me an extra $30, lol.
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
I was a bit nervous about mounting these based on Voile's warning, but I was able to apply lots of torque (using a ratchet t handle screwdriver) to the screws and they felt very secure. This is the 3rd set of paulownia core skis from Voile I have mounted up and so far (knock on wood) I have not had any issues. That seems like a great price for the threaded inserts and would be an option if I have a pull out.
@larryveal7263
@larryveal7263 Жыл бұрын
I won't need this in NH, but it's interesting to see that it works.
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
I will only use this setup when we get a huge dump of soft powder. If Scarpa ever produces a lightweight NTN backcountry boot, then I'll probably remount these skis with a lightweight NTN binding in hopes that I can cut a couple of pounds off of my current V6 / Switchback X2 / Scarpa T2 setup. As each year goes by, I think that option is less likely. Hopefully someone will offer a stiffer more downhill capable Xplore boot in the future and then maybe this setup might make more sense.
@TheWillRogers
@TheWillRogers 7 ай бұрын
You should convince the guys at Voile to send you an Endeavor to test with this setup. Maybe talk their ear off about some kind of Xplore Hardwire (probably not realistic without the heel throw notch like 75mm boots had)) or Xplore switchback too ;)
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 7 ай бұрын
The Endeavor looks like an interesting ski, sort of a beefed-up version of the Objective. They have the same dimensions and similar profiles. The Endeavor is probably better suited for hard charging 4 buckle plastic boot skiers than it is for the soft leather boot and non-active binding setups, but that is just my initial thoughts without really knowing the details on how the two skis differ in peformance. The Endeavor is about 1 1/2 lbs (681 grams) heavier than the Objectives in the 178 cm length. The Objectives ski very well in soft snow, and I really enjoy them in combo with the Xplore binding and the Alfa Free's on moderate terrain under good snow conditions. I added the HyperVector to my quiver last year for those bottomless powder days, as it is a much wider ski than the Objectives. It is the widest ski in my quiver, and I may eventually remount it with a tech binding in the future if Scarpa ever releases a lightweight plastic telemark boot. In the meantime, I pick either the Objective or HyperVector for XCD skiing, depending on the snow conditions. There has been alot of discussion regarding the Xplore binding and its lack of an active heel spring. JohnSKeppler over on Telemarktalk is putting together a home made Xplore binding with a heel spring. www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6252 It will be interesting to see how well it works out for him. I don't know if Rottefella will ever make a version 2 of the Xplore binding that would incorporate a hardwire. I think it would be a great addition providing the hardware could easily be removed from the ski. As far as I know, Rottefella makes or licenses all the soles that the boot manufactures use, so it would be easy for them to add a shelf to the sole design for the hardwire. I'm betting that they won't as they probably envision the Xplore binding as a replacement and same use case as NNNBC, not as a replacement for the existing active telemark bindings being sold today. At any rate, thanks for the suggestion and for tuning in.
@TheWillRogers
@TheWillRogers 7 ай бұрын
@@tomm9850 Thanks for taking the time to provide all that insight there Tom! Expecially the link to John Keppler's post. Maybe with enough community attempts at people trying to take Xplore places Rottefella didn't initially intend, someplace might cook up a commercial solution. Almost makes me want to crack open Autodesk and sketch some things up lol. I'm always looking for the "Do most of it" solution, similar to the "gravel" bike. Right now it still seems that a hardwire 3-pin binding is filling that role. Even if the options for soft 75mm boots seems to be getting edged out by Xplore by the manufactuers.
@CampfireKodiak
@CampfireKodiak Жыл бұрын
Interesting combination. I hope you get some use out of it. Was this filmed in Wyoming? Beautiful country
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
This was filmed in Northwest Wyoming in the Bridger National Forest in mid February.
@martinfuente838
@martinfuente838 Жыл бұрын
Dear Tom Thank you for all your great videos, but I would like to see some better pole plants, in this video it is like that you are doing it to late, it is almost like you make your pole plant at the end of the turn instead of at the beginning. I would like to know if I am totally wrong on this? Thanks a lot for some great footage during all your clips.
@tomm9850
@tomm9850 Жыл бұрын
The textbook technique is to keep the arms out in front and give a slight tap into the snow as you begin to come up from the knee bend and transition into the next turn. My pole use is directly tied to my XC background, and I slip back into that mode by muscle memory if I'm not thinking about proper form. The mantra from Free-Heel Skiing by Paul Parker is "tap, turn, tap, turn". Check out this youtube video for proper pole plants kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bKhyoZZyqMzFoqs.html
@hypothalapotamus5293
@hypothalapotamus5293 Жыл бұрын
There's the textbook answer to this, which is that really good telemarkers skiing with good equipment use poles much like downhill skiers do (the plant is a pneumonic for weight transfer and the pole drag is a sort of antenna like position sensor), and the complicated engineering control theory answer, which is that it depends on your equipment and how fast you are skiing with it. Skiing control laws are sort of like those of a bicycle. You turn outwards to angle yourself on a bike (left or right), have a specific turn radius to maintain a certain angle, and turn tighter than that specific radius to recover from the turn (right yourself). If you are going too slow and can't have a narrow enough turn radius for the angle of your lean, you will fall over. If you have short turn radius skis that you ski very fast on, it makes sense to plant to initiate the turn because you don't need the pole to right yourself. If you ski slowly on higher turn radius skis with long cross country-like poles, maybe the plant to recover method is acceptable. I personally wouldn't use that boot and those bindings in a situation where the plant to recover method would be a problem.
@joakimmutschlechner8622
@joakimmutschlechner8622 Жыл бұрын
Is there a reason to pole plant with the inside pole instead of outside pole? It seems to me like a lot of compensation by upper body to enter the new turn is made there, instead of getting help by outside pole plant and inertia to start new turn :)
@martinfuente838
@martinfuente838 Жыл бұрын
@@joakimmutschlechner8622 I think Tom is right, he comes from a XC background and get away with moving poles like if he was skiing flats down hill, there are simply to many pole plants. The pole plant should be before the turn, not halfway and not at the end, to try to keep balance, and not with your inside pole at all. Actually Toms down hill skiing has improved a lot since he began filming himself a long time ago, balance is fine, hands are forward, fine, but don,t tap that much, you could also just punch your new outside hand forward before each turn to initiate the turn, no need to actual plant the pole.
@joakimmutschlechner8622
@joakimmutschlechner8622 Жыл бұрын
@@martinfuente838 ok i agree, the skiing looks great throughout the turn but making turn initiation and switch between turns will be harder using inside poleplant at the end of each turn, there are ofcourse many different ways to poleplant without disturbing balance and moving in upper/lower body but I feel it's not the case here. It's no criticism but just an reflection.
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