I do not recommend: Sonic Frontiers (Review)

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Sonic Frontiers is a major step forward for the franchise because Sonic Team have finally arrived at a formula that works. It just doesn't work here.
Sonic Frontiers launches today for all platforms. Review code provided by Sega.
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Пікірлер: 5 700
@EatSumMorChkin
@EatSumMorChkin Жыл бұрын
I hate that they choose what looks like an old unreal tech demo art design for the world with random objects placed around like a custom super smash brothers stage. The obsession around realistic textures have done so much damage to so many games
@Daniel-yz3zf
@Daniel-yz3zf Жыл бұрын
Good point. To me it barely qualifies as art design if everything just looks... well, normal.
@tastynoobr3685
@tastynoobr3685 Жыл бұрын
yeah, some people would really die for a game that has good graphics over actual gameplay.
@zeroblackstar
@zeroblackstar Жыл бұрын
Feels like someone imported sonic into the default open world ptutorial project that came with a game engine
@henkaan7741
@henkaan7741 Жыл бұрын
It has the level design of a roblox obby
@smokeemifyagotem8851
@smokeemifyagotem8851 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like Nintendo games and people still buy that bullshit
@_gungrave_6802
@_gungrave_6802 Жыл бұрын
Personally I just think Sonic as an IP is something that needs a younger and fresh developer to take risks with it. Sonic Team is either too busy following some trends or they're unwilling to take the risks necessary to breathe new life into the franchise.
@blackmanwithcomputer
@blackmanwithcomputer Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily younger, just better developers. Sonic Team is just an incompetent team. They need to license Sonic out to Nintendo or indie studios like Ember Lab, Heart Machine and Supergiant Games.
@TeelBick
@TeelBick Жыл бұрын
Yeah like sonic boom /s
@blackmanta2527
@blackmanta2527 Жыл бұрын
A remake is needed but the devs are too afraid
@Yoni123
@Yoni123 Жыл бұрын
I thought this was risky. first sonic open world
@Ziggyvu
@Ziggyvu Жыл бұрын
Sonic by its design is hard to make a game out of. His whole thing is just speed. How you just make going fast fun for 40+ hours?
@Linkman247
@Linkman247 Жыл бұрын
"I don't think Sonic Frontiers sticks, but it has elements that could one day make a great Sonic game." Honestly that's how I felt about Lost World which emulated Mario Galaxy. But they ended up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and instead we ended up with Sonic Boom.
@SoundSpeed99
@SoundSpeed99 Жыл бұрын
Yep which is why hope is non existent
@TheFreakKid12
@TheFreakKid12 Жыл бұрын
The open world map reminds me of when I got forge world in Halo reach and would just place things in the air with no reason they were that way.
@louisavt5971
@louisavt5971 Жыл бұрын
exactly it looks like a fan game honestly made with garrys mod
@MysteryosEx3ptions
@MysteryosEx3ptions Жыл бұрын
@@louisavt5971 Exactly bro, everything feels so off idk, a lot of people like it, I don't, feels like a fan game.
@enmadaio.8975
@enmadaio.8975 Жыл бұрын
@@MysteryosEx3ptions Bots and shills, nobody except maybe a literal child could though this game is good.
@louisavt5971
@louisavt5971 Жыл бұрын
@@MysteryosEx3ptions I guess Sonic fans are so weaned from anything decent that they would play anything at this point
@louisavt5971
@louisavt5971 Жыл бұрын
@Kashi well they do prefer FurryP*rn so I have to say u are right.
@jocro8090
@jocro8090 Жыл бұрын
It baffles me that they had that colour and personality down in the cyber levels and didn't think to use that same art design to make the overworld like even a little bit nice to look at or feel at all "Sonicy". It looks like the forge world from Halo Reach.
@86lanzo
@86lanzo Жыл бұрын
Maybe that's the point..they wanted contrast
@thaneros
@thaneros Жыл бұрын
There is really no such thing as "Sonicy". The series has had a variety of styles that is more than Greenhill
@ktli5648
@ktli5648 Жыл бұрын
@@thaneros okay but the environments in Frontiers are the most generic in the series, I could plop Master Chief in Kronos and you wouldn't blink - and it doesn't even look nice
@shiny460
@shiny460 Жыл бұрын
@@86lanzo Well they achieved contrast, but the contrast is "this looks good" vs "this looks dreadful"
@kingsleycy3450
@kingsleycy3450 Жыл бұрын
I was getting Death Stranding vibe from the open world, but Death Stranding is a very different game from Sonic...
@brewkirk
@brewkirk Жыл бұрын
The out of place cartoonish rails and panels really give the feel of "me and a few friends messed around in halo reach forge world for 2 hours and took a pizza break"
@TheErikjsm
@TheErikjsm Жыл бұрын
man that profile picture is major 360 nostalgia
@fiammaorsmth9840
@fiammaorsmth9840 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe 343 gave Sonic Team permission to make their entire game using a modified version of Infinite's Forge!
@thedead073
@thedead073 Жыл бұрын
@@fiammaorsmth9840 What Halo Infinte forge?
@Riddle_wright
@Riddle_wright Жыл бұрын
Good thing halo infinite looked really good? Also isn’t that what we want Games to feel like? I mean, they are GAMES after all lmao. Do you dress up in a tux and go to a ball for your games?
@wonkabars6982
@wonkabars6982 Жыл бұрын
Yep. That’s what I was saying. This looks like some low-budget PC mod. They should have canned this project or restarted development at the very best.
@TimeBucks
@TimeBucks Жыл бұрын
Can we just take a moment to admire this man's intelligence
@monkeywatch4916
@monkeywatch4916 Жыл бұрын
More so his lack of
@Text.My.Telgrm
@Text.My.Telgrm Жыл бұрын
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@Toygains
@Toygains Жыл бұрын
Lol!
@gummy3584
@gummy3584 Жыл бұрын
He talked about sonic for 20 minutes. Am I watching a different video?
@valera_animation
@valera_animation Жыл бұрын
No we can’t.
@joemama2499
@joemama2499 Жыл бұрын
Imagine a zone in the next game themed after Ocean Palace from Sonic Heroes. Super saturated sparkling blue water, huge orange cliffs sonic could run along and use as ramps, palace structures dotted around containing challenges or collectibles, seagulls to grab onto as they fly around and hitch a ride into the sky before diving back down, maybe into bowl shaped structures that could launch sonic back up too. killer whales to run from. Literally so much potential with the movement formula they have for him Also I think letting sonic run on water after meeting a certain speed threshold would be a really rewarding mechanic. Especially if sonic had an arch to his movement when turning on water because different surface tension. Missed opportunity in this game.
@thoatran2718
@thoatran2718 Жыл бұрын
ok
@duchuynhvuong1733
@duchuynhvuong1733 Жыл бұрын
ok
@kha0ticdud3
@kha0ticdud3 Жыл бұрын
ok
@murderonthemind678
@murderonthemind678 Жыл бұрын
ok
@GDubA
@GDubA Жыл бұрын
ok
@LightCrib2
@LightCrib2 Жыл бұрын
Making obstacles blend into the environment and look like they belong is very important to level design They turned an open world into a sonic level, instead of turning a sonic level into an open world
@mozazr
@mozazr Жыл бұрын
Damn that way of putting it is actually perfect. It's totally what happened here and it's such a bizarre way for them to go about it. They just.. made open world environments and slapped in obstacles almost like an afterthought. So strange.
@crimrwby9784
@crimrwby9784 Жыл бұрын
This is so unfortunate...
@KingShibe
@KingShibe Жыл бұрын
Tony Hawk skating games have done it
@LightCrib2
@LightCrib2 Жыл бұрын
@@KingShibe Exactly
@Sicraft
@Sicraft Жыл бұрын
@@mozazr Like japan streets xd
@InsidePhil
@InsidePhil Жыл бұрын
Lmao at that pop-in. It adds a whole new layer to exploring the open world when your next adventure could be 15 feet ahead of you at all times.
@smokeemifyagotem8851
@smokeemifyagotem8851 Жыл бұрын
Ragnarok has pop in too
@federicosavorani6320
@federicosavorani6320 Жыл бұрын
@@smokeemifyagotem8851 ok... And so do almost all games. What's your point?
@sagittarius4765
@sagittarius4765 Жыл бұрын
@@smokeemifyagotem8851 digital foundry didn't mention any pop ins & if there are, probably will be minor ones maybe in performance mode.
@devrizalalderon3174
@devrizalalderon3174 Жыл бұрын
@@federicosavorani6320 nah he just hatin on GoW, on every review GoW related he always there hating lol, looks like kratos hurts him or somthing 😭
@zoxgamecompletion6192
@zoxgamecompletion6192 Жыл бұрын
@@devrizalalderon3174 because ragnarock is a movie
@DharmaDeepSleep
@DharmaDeepSleep Жыл бұрын
While advancements in technology without a doubt raises the bar for what's possible, a coherent vision in conjuction with a talented/competent team is almost always what makes or breaks a game.
@ixiahj
@ixiahj Жыл бұрын
Someone said the pop in problem could've been fixed just by adding like a cyber effect whenever they appear. Its odd because the characters themselves talk about how dead the landscape is. Like something killed it in the past. Which is actually canon to the story.
@arsenal4444
@arsenal4444 Жыл бұрын
FR THIS, it's painful seeing sonic team fumble such easy bags
@vuongtranvan7055
@vuongtranvan7055 Жыл бұрын
ok
@bloopahVIII
@bloopahVIII Жыл бұрын
wait hold up they gave an in-game excuse for their laziness bruh
@khuedinhvan1986
@khuedinhvan1986 Жыл бұрын
ok
@tukkek
@tukkek Жыл бұрын
"Put some perfume on the shit, people are gonna think it's fine". Flawless logic there, bravo.
@Professor_POVFH
@Professor_POVFH Жыл бұрын
I think a good way to design a floating rail everywhere world is like Solar ash. Make the world fundamentally broken. Make the frontiers look shattered and then all of these platforms and rails make sense.
@Qballiz2kool
@Qballiz2kool Жыл бұрын
I would have liked something like unleashed, to where the world is broken up, but you can use as you said grind rails to get from continent to continent, or in this games case from island to island.
@KhaosKontroller
@KhaosKontroller Жыл бұрын
Solar Ash is basically a Shadow the Hedgehog open zone game. It bangs.
@eamixtures2295
@eamixtures2295 Жыл бұрын
Also the fact that the open world seems so realistic it creates a massive contrast with the level design being thrown here and there
@NinjaXM0
@NinjaXM0 Жыл бұрын
Bioshock infinite had rails that made sense too
@justice8718
@justice8718 Жыл бұрын
Nah. The team is fucked to shit by Sega’s mismanagement. They clearly put more focus on the controls and the level design than blending the aesthetics.
@MrsRollercoastergirl
@MrsRollercoastergirl Жыл бұрын
I still think the Sonic game with the best cutscenes was Sonic Unleashed - I felt like they understood the characters then. Jason Griffith was also my favorite Sonic
@UnifiedEntity
@UnifiedEntity Жыл бұрын
Jason Griffith since Sonic X, love him as sonic
@coldfries8976
@coldfries8976 Жыл бұрын
What a great game Sonic Unleashed was... loved it on my PS2
@ktli5648
@ktli5648 Жыл бұрын
@@coldfries8976 Have you seen footage of the PS3/XBOX360 version?
@KhaosKontroller
@KhaosKontroller Жыл бұрын
Jason is Goated. Hearing him again in Sonic and Tails R made me so happy.
@jordancromwell
@jordancromwell Жыл бұрын
@@coldfries8976 The trash version
@philatio1744
@philatio1744 Жыл бұрын
There's some interesting aspects about this review that made me realize something: 3D Sonic games have done in the past everything he's pointing out that's lacking here. When he mentioned contextualizing rails and such through the level themes, i remembered that Sonic Adventure 2 used to do this. Green Forest has you grinding in vines instead of rails, City Escape has you railing on ladder handles, Metal Harbour has you grinding on the edges of the road, Radical Highway made you rail on the literal Golden Bridge. Say what you want about that game, but it has an excellent aesthetic even to this day. Another thing to mention, the cyberspace levels he praised also take layouts from other sonic games, from Unleashed, to Generations to even Sonic Adventure 2 while mixing in assets taken straight out of Generations. That means that the highlight for him comes from other 3D Sonic games (man, do they deserve at least more credit for having insanely fun levels). Overall, I can't say I'm surprised, but I really wanted this to be a homerun for the blue rat, as I have a real soft spot for him (And considering how both the movies and IDW comics have been oozing with personality, I wanted to see the games follow through). Hopefully, the next game will be solid.
@philatio1744
@philatio1744 Жыл бұрын
Also, I can kinda see where they were going with the Open World design, I think. Sonic striving for realism and grounded visuals isn't necessarily a new thing, as it's something they've tried since the Adventure era, to mixed results. I'm personally much more of a fan of the Unleashed aesthetic, which is peak sonic in terms of visuals. I can see how the more moody, melancholic vibe of the world can help with immersion, which wouldn't be so bad if the pop-in wasn't so fucking distracting. Seriously, considering the whole cyberspace theming, and how the game uses glitchy effects, couldn't they at least mask it with an effect? I don't feel entirely comfortable with blaming Sonic Team entirely for this one though. Sega really is Sonic's worst enemy. While fundamental design choices might have not been repaired with an extra year, Sega's extreme crunch and lack of budget for a sonic game really makes the whole franchise a mess.
@bobtheball5384
@bobtheball5384 Жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with your take. I've admittedly haven't played the adventure games at all until around 3 years ago and I've noticed that too with the level design. Despite having realistic environments there were set pieces and or interesting ways to use the environment around you. Every stage stood out with something new, and if this game could just do the same with its own level design I would consider it more.
@ndro_gyny
@ndro_gyny Жыл бұрын
Not a rat.
@giangtruc3376
@giangtruc3376 Жыл бұрын
ok
@jamalhartley5863
@jamalhartley5863 Жыл бұрын
No you really should play it for yourself if you want to. This "review" didn't really cover the positives of the game at all. Some of the issues, like pop in, funky camera in select places, and the assorted random rails strewn about is true. But he misses a lot. He doesn't mention the boss battles easily the best in the series. Your exploration is encouraged but going to Big helps you Speedrun the game. Also the fact he liked the Cyberspace levels easily the weakest part of the game. This isn't a review it's someone hating a game for what it is. Which is fine, but not a review.
@randomchannel323
@randomchannel323 Жыл бұрын
The open world looks so strange with the massive slopes and ramps out of nowhere
@chrisnichols9014
@chrisnichols9014 Жыл бұрын
The game is just a tech demo. True story.
@343Epsilon
@343Epsilon Жыл бұрын
Honestly the fact that reviews are kinda mid-positive is a lot of praise for a sonic game
@DUHRIZEO
@DUHRIZEO Жыл бұрын
Harsh, but so true lol
@owtheedge3956
@owtheedge3956 Жыл бұрын
Well for sonic fans this game is great, I mean compared to sonic forces this game might as well be goty
@fatbroccoli8
@fatbroccoli8 Жыл бұрын
If you love Sonic you'll prob love anything involving sonic
@pinktrutle1490
@pinktrutle1490 Жыл бұрын
@@fatbroccoli8 not really
@fatbroccoli8
@fatbroccoli8 Жыл бұрын
@@pinktrutle1490 I mean as long as it's mediocre, Sonic fans will be happy mostly
@mightyspoogles4567
@mightyspoogles4567 Жыл бұрын
The first thing I thought when I saw the world, was that it looked like a Halo Forge map that a 7 year old had been allowed to mess with... That or a Garry's mod save with props just frozen in the air...
@Graphomite
@Graphomite Жыл бұрын
so sick of _"this could be really good next time"_ excuse for Sonic Team. I'm done assuming they are capable of improving upon their bad-to-mid formulas. They haven't genuinely broke ground since Sonic 3. It's clear the devs simply don't have the necessary skills.
@pinktrutle1490
@pinktrutle1490 Жыл бұрын
No. This game had a low budget and 60 people working on it.
@chrisnichols9014
@chrisnichols9014 Жыл бұрын
@@pinktrutle1490 Doesn't matter. Sonic Team has made too many bad games over the years.
@pinktrutle1490
@pinktrutle1490 Жыл бұрын
They are collecting feedback about Sonic frontiers,this Will be the fórmula for next games,and the formula's changes of other Sonic games are sega's fault
@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar
@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar Жыл бұрын
This game looks like someone modded in a free asset for an "island with different biomes" into a Sonic game, and then slapped some random pipes and blocks everywhere.
@alexreel1728
@alexreel1728 Жыл бұрын
Sonic has had 2-3 "good" 3D formulas that just needed fleshed out to be great. They didn't do that and chased some other trend every time. I have no faith that they will ever capitalize on what they have here.
@robbybevard8034
@robbybevard8034 Жыл бұрын
Both Sonic Adventures worked. Sonic Heroes worked but it lacked polish. Colors and Generations worked but they were very 2D for large segments. Lost World was a good idea that could have worked if they'd stuck with it and reiterated on it but didn't really work for the one game they did it. But on the bad end you have 3D Blast, Shadow, Secret Rings, Unleashed, Black Knight, Boom, Forces, and ultimately Lost World.... and ALL the racing games... just not good.
@Stone7C1
@Stone7C1 Жыл бұрын
or they should just focus on the classic 2D formula and make more of those games. i dont know what their problem is to be honest. sonic mania should have shown them what the fans really want and expect from a sonic game. it was insanely popular. there was replay value with different characters even having different pathes through levels, boss fights and levels of their own etc. the music was surpreme and i had a blast all the way through. there were a bunch of really cool new gimmicks in reworked older stages like the rubber pools in chemical plant zone and the flips into the background in metallic madness, proving that creative devs can still bring new fun tech and ideas into the old format. aaaaand they never made or even thought about another one it seems. instead they just dumped a shitload of time and money into more failed 3D sonic projects. just take sonic back to 2D with a dedicated group of developers like for sonic mania, and it will work fine. at the very least the 2D sonic line should be an ongoing project in parallel to the 3D games.
@JoshuaChocolate
@JoshuaChocolate Жыл бұрын
Was gonna say this exactly. Just no faith in sonic team :( hard being a sonic fan these days.
@uncrstbl
@uncrstbl Жыл бұрын
@@Stone7C1 The thing about Mania though is that it was made by a completely separate team with the blessing and eye of Sega, the sonic team of today didn't and probably couldn't make Mania themselves. They clearly don't want to go back to the 2D formula which is why they're trying so hard with 3D, even though they fail a majority of the time. and the 3D games are viewed highly when they're actually good, Sonic Generations probably has the biggest favorable audience of any modern sonic game and still gets constant fan love and mod support, which shows that fans love 3D sonic, just when it's executed properly. Sega had a good thing going with the boost formula they just keep fumbling it over and over again
@RasenRendanX
@RasenRendanX Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaChocolate hey we got those amazing movies
@TheCivildecay
@TheCivildecay Жыл бұрын
0:25 This looks exactly like a map creating by someone who managed to load a premade level in Unity and found out you can add objects to it
@Zinkolo
@Zinkolo Жыл бұрын
Sonic generations was definitely the perfection of the boost formula and I think everyone agrees that that was the point where we thought they cracked it. There was nothing in that game that would make you think they didn't given how extremely fun the modern Sonic levels were but unfortunately they decided to just constantly reuse nostalgia and never take any of the good aspects from the boost formula in that game or it's gameplay, instead opting to learn from its nostalgia pandering and double down on it instead of retaining its excellent level design with multiple paths and skill-based platforming that required you to collect rings to keep both the flow and the boost meter going.
@ThaBossDjFes
@ThaBossDjFes Жыл бұрын
9:09 there's a checkpoint thing there that you hit to try and unlock some lf the map. It's some sort of blue orbs in random places with a timer. Does anybody know what to do there??
@ptrcrispy
@ptrcrispy Жыл бұрын
The open world environments looks like someone created a Tony Hawk custom level in a forge world backdrop but quit halfway through.
@BlastbeaterPT
@BlastbeaterPT Жыл бұрын
Exactly 🤣🤣🤣
@Sicraft
@Sicraft Жыл бұрын
LOL
@TheIrland09
@TheIrland09 Жыл бұрын
Looks like one of those Create-a-Park levels we all made as kids where we just plopped random stuff all over the place.
@fredyma10
@fredyma10 Жыл бұрын
going from ragnarok to sonic frontiers must’ve been a trip
@LegendRonk
@LegendRonk Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, idk if Ima get sonic
@kaneqost172
@kaneqost172 Жыл бұрын
@@LegendRonk trust me. Don't.
@DragonHeart613
@DragonHeart613 Жыл бұрын
Going from a masterpiece like Ragnarok to yet another disappointing incoherent crappy Sonic game. Sonic should just be retired or Sega should finally take away the IP from Sonic Team & give a different developer a chance at trying to make a good Sonic game.
@hiraether6209
@hiraether6209 Жыл бұрын
@@DragonHeart613 Give it to Nintendo. Give it to fucking anyone at this point. Sega has lost the plot for literally like 30 years at this point. They must still sell well bc it's clear Sega doesn't even care anymore. Cynical
@DragonHeart613
@DragonHeart613 Жыл бұрын
@@hiraether6209 Sega should indeed sell Sonic to Nintendo who would successfully reinvent Sonic.
@Diego_0S
@Diego_0S Жыл бұрын
Earlier this year i played Solar Ash, a game from the same developers of Hyper Light Drifter, and while i was playing i remembered Sonic Frontiers. Solar Ash shows how a game focused on speed and movement could work on an open world environment. And that was a game developed by an indie team with a fraction of the resources of Sega and the Sonic Team. Still, I hope they don't ditch the good ideas of this game. I would like to see they improving those good ideas on the next interaction of the franchise. Excellent review!
@galothymos6628
@galothymos6628 Жыл бұрын
I made the same comparison! Those games are pretty similar in story telling (a character that doesn’t want to explain to you what’s going on), structure (several different “open zone” locations), collectibles, side stories you can see, and an emphasis on creating a world that encourages speed. I never got around to finishing it because I got stuck, but solar ash had a lot more polish to it.
@infectedanimal9830
@infectedanimal9830 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding us of that fantastic game, hopefully sonic team will take note of it too
@radar4104
@radar4104 Жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ, we really have critics praising Cyberspace and critiquing the characters... This reviewer feedback loop is just so backwards
@Montesama314
@Montesama314 Жыл бұрын
I remember thinking this looks like a tech demo for a game in the next console generation.
@martinaguiluz4063
@martinaguiluz4063 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, because how it looks matters more than how it plays...🤣
@carbodude5414
@carbodude5414 Жыл бұрын
@@martinaguiluz4063 And it plays like crap lol
@martinaguiluz4063
@martinaguiluz4063 Жыл бұрын
@@carbodude5414 Dude, this guy didn't say it played like crap🤣🤣🤣. You're talking out of your ass in here.
@theirishpotato6588
@theirishpotato6588 Жыл бұрын
@@carbodude5414 that's not what I've heard
@AmateurHuman19
@AmateurHuman19 Жыл бұрын
*last console
@beastateverythin
@beastateverythin Жыл бұрын
The camera issues are the same issues as Sonic Adventure on Dreamcast. It’s astounding that it’s so damn similar to a 25 year old game!!
@RhythmGrizz
@RhythmGrizz Жыл бұрын
Have you not gone into the settings? You can adjust camera speed, distance and angle completely to suit you
@emiloguechoons9030
@emiloguechoons9030 Жыл бұрын
@@RhythmGrizz Most games have camera options, they can't remedy fundamental issues with the camera that the game has
@Agell
@Agell Жыл бұрын
@@emiloguechoons9030 the "fundamental issues" only really show up in a couple spots. Any time you have manual control the camera is fine. When it decides to lock to something is when it gets wonky.
@WH250398
@WH250398 Жыл бұрын
@DevilsCry A lot of the praise has been greatly exagarated, but the sonic fanbase will gobble it up like it's the bible. See how easy of an argument this is lol
@naturallyirrelevant9639
@naturallyirrelevant9639 Жыл бұрын
I think the BIGGEST missed opportunity of Sonic Frontiers was not placing it in a multi-layered colorful cityscape and I will die on this hill. Why put it on some random empty island? Because Zelda did it? But that's the setting for Zelda is wide open landscapes, put Sonic in his own element and make like the coolest most visually appealing cityscape that's open world and you can explore multi layers of it.
@ovahex
@ovahex Жыл бұрын
The Cityscape would make absolutely zero sense given the game's story and narrative. That's why they didn't put him in a cityscape, plus islands are far bigger, meaning you get more gameplay and things to do.
@ovahex
@ovahex Жыл бұрын
And Sonic's element isn't a cityscape, it never has been, the first level in Sonic history was Green Hill, I can only think of a couple of times where Sonic was in an iconic cityscape and that's Unleashed and the Adventure series. Sonic has always been more outdoors, if anything THAT is his element.
@naturallyirrelevant9639
@naturallyirrelevant9639 Жыл бұрын
@@ovahex I think they easily could have come up with a narrative of why he could be in a city. While Green Hill has always been iconic there have always been industrial zones too like Casino Night/etc. I mean heck why not do something super crazy and have Robotnik try to build a casino on top of some ancient ruins or something nutty. IDK the thought of just an open and empty island doesn't feel like it suits Sonic to me. I think it would be much more fun (personally) going top speed on roads and winding paths and unlocking new hidden paths for faster travel between areas and I've always been a fan of multi layered things so why not have 4 or 5 layers of a city on top of each other? You can still have the openness of a sonic game and give the player ways to get around, heck let them run up buildings when they hit top speed, you don't have to restrict the movement I just feel like THIS concept is very close-minded.
@subsume7904
@subsume7904 Жыл бұрын
Almost like the Jet Set Radio games
@DireNemesis
@DireNemesis Жыл бұрын
@@ovahex for having "More gameplay, and things to do" it sure is boring.
@Eshcole
@Eshcole Жыл бұрын
The difference between the mini levels and the open world is crazy. It's almost as if they were built by 2 different developers.
@pinktrutle1490
@pinktrutle1490 Жыл бұрын
Most sonic fans hate cyberspace
@Sydney_Angelyt
@Sydney_Angelyt Жыл бұрын
funnily enough, the level design and assets are ripped from previous games
@a.b.3455
@a.b.3455 Жыл бұрын
I actually thought it was footage from sonic generations at first.
@Scruffy-qi3ik
@Scruffy-qi3ik Жыл бұрын
@@Sydney_Angelyt seems kind of like that’s the point. Aren’t they basically his “memories” of the past games?
@Sydney_Angelyt
@Sydney_Angelyt Жыл бұрын
@@Scruffy-qi3ik No because they reuse levels Sonic wasn't even in such as sky rail from sonic adventure 2. Besides, saying it's just his memories isn't a good excuse after an entire decade of constant rehashing. ESPECIALLY when Sonic Generations brought back Sonic's memories and had completely original level design.
@vizhique473
@vizhique473 Жыл бұрын
9:37 what I would've hoped for as well, would've made the open world more lively, but the problem lies in Sonic himself. Sonic games are about reaction speed and visibility; to try and blend interactive elements in to the world would mean a loss in visual clarity and increased clutter - the reason rails, boosts and jump pads are always consistent is because players need to be able to identify where they're supposed to go quickly, as they may only have a few moments to react, the only exception being highlight elements, which are often pretty obvious, but also shown on screen for longer and even then, often occurs automatically after the player jumps off a pretty recognisable ramp or ledge We also have to consider the open world itself, some things aren't possible without additional elements to justify their existence, like vines needing trees, or cliffs supporting structures that would have once been floating - that's a lot of stuff on the ground that can stop you in your path, and even more stuff to make it more difficult to see where to go and what path you should take. remember, at speeds like that, players struggle to turn outside of plain environments, you'll almost never see anything obstructing the view of the next 100m in a runner section (aside from QTE interactions) because its frustrating and difficult The issue of pop-in would also worsen, as even more elements need to be loaded in Ultimately, though it would be great to have, it's not currently feasible for Sonic to be in a good open-world game as the speed portion of the character would be compromised, so for now, they should stick to attempting iconic and action-packed levels rather than subjecting players to a subpar open-world experience, perhaps an open world could be in QTEs, where in sections of levels, Sonic can pick different routes that could even have impacts on the rest of the game, a branching story if you will, where you may end up playing different levels as a result of your choices
@BWMagus
@BWMagus Жыл бұрын
Eh, yes, games need to make it clear what can and cannot be interacted with, and Sonic needs it even more, I agree. But that doesn't mean it has to look the exact fucking same at all times. I mean, why even have biomes then? Why not make ONE biome, and make it look more interesting? The rails could at least look like pieces are missing or broken, requiring jumping off and around, instead of just random floating crap.
@JeremyBX
@JeremyBX Жыл бұрын
Dude i'm so glad you brought up the level design importance at 7:10. Im not one to argue on Twitter/reddit, but too often do I read genuine critical comments concerning over the copypaste level design being shut down by "But Sonic Always Had Floating Rails!" & "Sonic has been in Hyper Realistic environments before!" But at least Zelda's Breath of the Wild changed the art style of the map to fit the Zelda Franchise. In Sonic Frontiers, and you said it best, it looks like they just stole some generic open world assets and tried to hide it by pasting rails everywhere. I think it's inexcusable. I'm not saying every Sonic game needs to be vibrantly colored and wacky, but this was not the right approach. Still, it's awesome seeing SEGA finally publish what is a literal embodiment of "SEGA FINALLY HIRED THAT MAN!: The Video Game" just to shut the fans up, but just because it's fun and engaging as hell doesn't make it acceptable. I hope SEGA actually utilizes environment-exclusive mechanics in Sonic Frontiers 2, instead of doing what Sonic Islands, Sonic GT, and Sonic Utopia did.
@MrMister681
@MrMister681 Жыл бұрын
Props to you, Skill Up. This is a negative review, but it's earnest and I can't sense the negative bias that so many negative reviews the series has had in the past from other critics. As a fan, maybe I'll enjoy this more than you did, but all your complaints seem fair and I like that you're also able to appreciate when a design choice is clever.
@johnnycage6676
@johnnycage6676 Жыл бұрын
The game is complete trash just because everyone’s not giving excuses to this over priced garbage doesn’t mean their bias
@MrMister681
@MrMister681 Жыл бұрын
@@johnnycage6676 And here's a perfect example of the kind of people I'm talking about. What prompted you to write this comment in the first place?
@desoaable
@desoaable Жыл бұрын
The only negative thing I would disagree from Ralph reviews are Story, Character and gameplay wise. Story and Character wise, he mentioned how it is try to be self-serious, but thats how Sonic is since Adventure era, only to have that changed since Colors, Boom and Forces, and on one of the transition in this review where he put a cutscenes between Sonic and Tails talk to each other is way wayyy out of context right there, because if you get to see the full cutscenes its about how Sonic reassuring Tails for his insecurities, so I feel like Ralph did a really bad disservice to the character development in his reviews. Sonic games has been deprived from actual good writings and Frontiers definitely bring up the best of each characters in the franchise in this game. As for gameplay wise, I feel like he didnt spend enough time to actually play the game, he could have just spend some hours actually play the game instead of rushing to finish the game just so he can make this reviews. Because he mentioned how clunky the camera work and how bad the gameplay is without even mentioning that you can adjust the gameplay style accordingly to what you prefer it to be.
@e1iteyoshi998
@e1iteyoshi998 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I fear this negative review will be seen as another bad review because of the reviews from other channels like Digital Trends, Gamesradar, and GamesHub.
@fabianor4499
@fabianor4499 Жыл бұрын
Sonic fans already reached rock bottom if their only option is to being salty and to defend this crap lol
@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot
@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot Жыл бұрын
It looks like they nailed down what they want the movement to be and then didn't consider how to design an actual game around it. I think to pull this off, you really need to create dense 3D analogues of the 2D zones.
@Sydney_Angelyt
@Sydney_Angelyt Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@Paradox1012
@Paradox1012 Жыл бұрын
I think they wanted to make a definitive "formula" for sonic going foward with this game. So they made a sandbox with great gameplay and called it. Personally I think that's totally reasonable in the context of sonic. They didnt know if the gameplay would be accepted, so they didnt put all too much into the world design, just enough to use the full spectrum of the combat and movement kit. So I n that sense , i think this game seems to have succeeded. If it goes on sale when the steam winter sale rolls around ,I'll bite.
@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot
@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot Жыл бұрын
@@Paradox1012 I guess that's fair, we'll have to wait and see if they make a direct sequel and go all out. I haven't played it but with the amount of movement options Sonic has, it looks fun to just move around.
@Paradox1012
@Paradox1012 Жыл бұрын
@@icader7194 I Didn't say they intentionally did it. from hear-say (dont know if its confirmed, didn't check) I heard Izuka (think thats his name?) , the director had to actually BEG sega for 1 more year of development time. They just had to play the cards they had, and if that's they case, they played them well in my opinion. Wouldn't be the first time its happened for a sonic game
@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind
@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind Жыл бұрын
Good stuff: .Open areas complement Sonic's speed. Being able to run through such open places without restrictions is cool and it's so like Sonic. .The cyber-space stages are great, they play well and it's a step to the right direction. Bad stuff: .The cyberspace stages are way to short and can be finished in less than a minute. They make about 1 hour of the entire game. .The lack of theming in the cyberspace stages is dreadful. Like literally there are only 4 themes that repeat themselves throughout stages, and I think there are two more distinctive ones but they appear only once each. .There's little to do in the open areas and the puzzles aren't worth your time, they are mediocre/boring and make everything so dreary, especially considering the previously mentioned issues with the cyberspace stages, the stages don't reward the amount of time spent in the open areas.
@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind
@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind Жыл бұрын
Oh an popping, it's terrible.
@elvickRULES
@elvickRULES Жыл бұрын
“without restrictions” - running fast, pass a 2D plane and get locked into it - sumo enemy - dumb counter dogs who kill you if you don’t counter them all fast enough, in a row - slope’s inconsistency with being able to run up - pits at the top of hills Yeah, none 🤔
@emmadictator4062
@emmadictator4062 Жыл бұрын
To shed some light on the pop-in: They made an engine to make Sonic games in for the last game and this one (Hedgehog Engine 2) that has always had glaring pop-in issues since it’s inception. The only way to fix it would to dramatically overhaul HE2 or start from scratch, and they don’t seem keen on doing either. So uh… yeah we might be in for the long haul with this pop-in thing.
@werwolfnate
@werwolfnate Жыл бұрын
I can't help but be baffled that an engine designed for a character litteraly able to run a mile a minute, didn't priotize reducing pop in.
@yourself1210
@yourself1210 Жыл бұрын
I think they also need to change the physics engine havoc
@chrisnichols9014
@chrisnichols9014 Жыл бұрын
The pop in thing is really obnoxious.
@johncuda
@johncuda Жыл бұрын
Rails could be a transient system to move robot parts around. Each one ends on a small base where you can clear out and get something cool. And it networks into different parts of the level. Now it has a purpose.
@SamuelCatsy
@SamuelCatsy Жыл бұрын
It baffles me that to this day, how many 3d games in, they still have moments like 12:12 Seriously, just guide Sonic onto the friggin rail automatically and don't let the player accidentally fall off!
@sergiomonty
@sergiomonty Жыл бұрын
... So you want an even more automated game?
@brycebitetti1402
@brycebitetti1402 Жыл бұрын
My guy, that was literally all him. I don't want to invalidate SkillUp's critiques here, because he does have a lot of fair points. But he obviously kind of sucks at this game, and judging by how he describes previous Sonic games and how he completely misses the point of Sonic's identity (going fast is not the point, getting good enough at the game to earn speed is), this is obviously a him problem.
@jonathanbaird
@jonathanbaird Жыл бұрын
@@brycebitetti1402 “Going fast is not the point”, but grinding 99 levels to “earn speed” is? Today’s Sonic fans are wild.
@EverRusting
@EverRusting Жыл бұрын
@@brycebitetti1402 well he gave Gris a 10/10, he's only interested in the "art" aspect in video games and hates whenever he has to do the "gameplay" aspect
@AllegedAllergen
@AllegedAllergen Жыл бұрын
@@brycebitetti1402 have you seen sonic 06 gameplay? Watch how that game handles loops or boost pads. It works exactly how this shows here. It may be him, but I'm inclined to believe it is not. Because as a developer, you should not even make it possible for the player to mess up a game mechanic that you use CONSTANTLY
@Kachopper9
@Kachopper9 Жыл бұрын
I personally disagree with alot of the statements, especially toward the writing and characters
@desoaable
@desoaable Жыл бұрын
Same here, I disagree with gameplay too. He talk about how clunky the camera and the control is, feels like its just a skill issue
@ChairJustChair
@ChairJustChair Жыл бұрын
Cant believe you didnt mention Sonic's voice, it sounds like he just woke up from the local anesthetic at the dentists' office
@britpoint7022
@britpoint7022 Жыл бұрын
20 years of 3D Sonic and we've finally reached the lofty heights of "I can see how this could be good one day." If only I could get a Mania 2 to keep me going until that day arrives T_T
@BrenoGF144
@BrenoGF144 Жыл бұрын
Adventure 1-2, Unleashed, Generations were all awesome 3d ones, and Heroes and 06 were ok
@saloz9483
@saloz9483 Жыл бұрын
I have come to prefer the 3D games and there are good ones.
@baboon_baboon_baboon
@baboon_baboon_baboon Жыл бұрын
Sega execs won't allow this.
@UncleSkiBum
@UncleSkiBum Жыл бұрын
@@BrenoGF144 I loved generations although that wasn't a popular opinion at the time 😁
@saniakshay12
@saniakshay12 Жыл бұрын
@@TuriGamer because the character itself is great. Merchandise, retro games all sell really well. The character is both cool and cute. Plus he basically invented the furry community
@Ponifex
@Ponifex Жыл бұрын
Every single time I've seen anything related to Frontiers, I'm utterly gobsmacked at just how much it looks like *Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis* (developed by the same studio, likely around the same time). Strange comparison, sure - But seriously, go take a gander at gameplay from PSO2:NGS, and tell me its environments weren't copy/pasted straight into Frontiers, realistic aesthetic and all. Kronos Island from Frontiers is a dead-ringer for the Aelio Region in NGS, Ares Island appears to be ripped directly from the Kvaris Region, et cetera. Hell, even the weirdly sharp-edged, sci-fi robots found in the overworld look like they could've come right off the design docket for PSO2. It's so damn surreal. Strongly believe Sonic Team just slapped together whatever worldgen assets they currently had lying around from PSO2:NGS's development, slightly tweaked the physics model which supported Sonic Forces, and prayed it was good enough to be called a finished product. Also, the quote at 10:09 that "the skeleton is here, the meat on the bones is not" perfectly describes the state of PSO2:NGS for the past two years as well, lmao. Sonic Team has very much felt like a "B-Team" internal studio to SEGA of Japan for a good long while now, and you can *really* feel that increasingly strained corporate relationship on full display with their two most recent titles.
@Drstrange3000
@Drstrange3000 Жыл бұрын
I believe I saw footage where it is from the same engine and was using some of the same animations from PSO2:NG. The reason it feels so copy and paste is because it probably is.
@mechadeka
@mechadeka Жыл бұрын
The metal bridge texture used in the overworld is straight from PSO2.
@OmegaNeo
@OmegaNeo Жыл бұрын
Good to see that I wasn't the only thinking that when seeing any Frontiers footage lol.
@soaringspoon
@soaringspoon Жыл бұрын
Holy shit your probably right lol damn, reusing assets is fine game dev but that's blatant.
@Aorynn
@Aorynn Жыл бұрын
Well sure, they can use this new Hedgehog engine as much as they want to. It is a really good engine, but the execution and expression part is not present at all. PSO2 and Sonic Frontiers are just bad examples of not reaching its full potential, and sadly, they are just realizing it this late... their games are now C-tier levels, mediocre at best.
@OGPimpin
@OGPimpin Жыл бұрын
It sounds weird but I think one big problem is the open-world aspect needs to be more condensed and more cartoonish if that makes any sense.
@Nirual86
@Nirual86 Жыл бұрын
not that anyone was asking for an open-world sonic game in the first place. A sizeable overworld to explore between levels, sure. But this looks like a classic case of "we need to have a massive map as a selling point" and struggling to actually fill said map with enough content. Really says something when Sonic Boom had a better approach.
@rRekko
@rRekko Жыл бұрын
@@Nirual86 I assure you Mr I love open world and all games should be like that skillup was lol In all seriousness, I loved the combination of realistic and arcadeish levels. Most of the gameplay issues are because of how skillup sucks at playing games honestly, same issue with Jim Sterling, trying to have all games be easier because they're so bad at gaming.
@emarythomp
@emarythomp Жыл бұрын
@@rRekko how? You don’t even see any tangible skill expressive gameplay with his review and most of his mess ups he shows are done due to the shitty camera. This open world is far below average and you seem to be of the impression that most criticism to this game is a lack of skill? Seriously? It’s 2022 and the whole “get gud” excuse is still being used? Man did sonic fans really become THIS delusional over the years lmao?
@frailvoid5844
@frailvoid5844 Жыл бұрын
@@rRekko Damn, as a fellow sonic fan you really make us look bad.
@supermysticsonic2
@supermysticsonic2 Жыл бұрын
@@Nirual86 The map is full of content. This review is awful.
@runawaywolf2570
@runawaywolf2570 Жыл бұрын
Grindrails done right? Look at Crash 4. Jungle levels have vines. greasemonkey and manmade structure dense levels have metal rails. It makes sense. Heck even grinding through a time and space rift has a thematically appropriate ethereal light beam!
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@Text.My.Telgrm Жыл бұрын
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@samcandles
@samcandles Жыл бұрын
Every sonic game before this one does that too lol
@skullerclawerbandicoot7966
@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 Жыл бұрын
So your telling us something Sonics long done? Tell me you never played any Sonic game without telling me you never played any Sonic game
@matthewbraith0411
@matthewbraith0411 Жыл бұрын
Too bad the grinding in crash 4 sucked.
@jayceallen6530
@jayceallen6530 4 ай бұрын
Sonic did this shit in adventure 2 and yet they couldnt make any unique structures for this games environments and it sucks
@reshawshid
@reshawshid Жыл бұрын
I was interested in Frontiers when they said it would be radically different and implied they were getting their sh*t together. That interest went away just as soon as it came when Sega dismissed all criticism, especially after what they pulled with Sonic Origins. Also Sonic did have a rhythm in 3D, it was Sonic Adventure 2. The mech and hunting stages may not have been everyone's thing, but it did serve a narrative purpose, and the speed stages showed what Sonic should have been all this time.
@pelgervampireduck
@pelgervampireduck Жыл бұрын
They got it right with Generations. In the Adventure games I hated the stages of the other characters, I wish there could be a version of Adventures that was ONLY THE SONIC LEVELS of both Adventure 1 and 2, without filler, without the other characters, without a hub, just let me play the fun Sonic levels one after the other!.
@mr.marvin
@mr.marvin Жыл бұрын
@@pelgervampireduck SA1 wasn't too bad. Only the Amy and Big levels were the worst.
@saulothebebop2581
@saulothebebop2581 Жыл бұрын
@@pelgervampireduck I really liked eggman and tail's stages but i could see why its not everyone's cup of tea.
@pwnzorofretards
@pwnzorofretards Жыл бұрын
@@pelgervampireduck generations is hands down my favorite sonic game the 2d was good and the 3D was good still play it from time to time
@reshawshid
@reshawshid Жыл бұрын
@@pelgervampireduck No, they got it wrong with Generations. Super boring with an unmotivating story. I'd rather play Mad Space over that game again any day, at least Mad Space isn't just a singular track you have to avoid falling off, and has the physics and exploration factor that actually made Sonic good in the first place. I'd rather play Werehog stages for the same reason.
@shankypanky8879
@shankypanky8879 Жыл бұрын
The overworld looks like the base textures and level design you create to have an IDEA of what the final stage/area would be. But they were like, NAH That's enough. SHIP IT!
@shankypanky8879
@shankypanky8879 Жыл бұрын
@2 Corinthians 4:7-11 Tutorial: Recreating Ratchet and Clank in an Open World in Unreal Engine 5 - Part 1 of 50. They stopped at part 1.
@BlastbeaterPT
@BlastbeaterPT Жыл бұрын
Looks like Tony Hawks customizable maps 😆😆
@mediabrandslife
@mediabrandslife Жыл бұрын
Facts 🤣🤣🤣
@okaybuddy.
@okaybuddy. Жыл бұрын
Whole bunch of NPC's in this reply section lmfao.
@BlueBlur2003
@BlueBlur2003 Жыл бұрын
We still going at this 😪
@yohaneslay8109
@yohaneslay8109 Жыл бұрын
this is 2022 where we see a plenty open world anime games like atelier ryza, tales of arise, genshin impact,etc. and sonic choose to use photo realistic style while he is a cartoon? maybe the game developer think "well if that work on live action movie,it also should also work for the game"
@kerozine819
@kerozine819 Жыл бұрын
I'll be getting ryza 3 😁
@skullerclawerbandicoot7966
@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 Жыл бұрын
So you never heard of Adventure 1/2, 06, Unleashed, Secret Rings & Black Knight?
@phatphap_taitam
@phatphap_taitam Жыл бұрын
For a teaser, I love it already! Too bad Kevin’s missed his flight to Paris amongst all the football mayhem… I almost feel bad for him.
@rustyshakkleford
@rustyshakkleford Жыл бұрын
Admittedly I have never been much of a Sonic fan, but I think you are spot on about the over world environment. They could have done something really cool where different areas had different themes and you are zooming and grinding around old temples, then through tree branches of a dense forest, or around a mountain going from peak to ledge. Instead it looks like on of those unity games with a big open world and a bunch of random assets dumped everywhere.
@The_Archer-he2ft
@The_Archer-he2ft Жыл бұрын
I mean, world blending was never sonics issue, this game is just lazy
@brookeyoung8306
@brookeyoung8306 Жыл бұрын
Look at Bowser's Fury for how this game should have been
@boomerthedingo2196
@boomerthedingo2196 Жыл бұрын
*never been a sonic fan Seems to be everyone in these comments
@MMM1MM
@MMM1MM Жыл бұрын
Problem is that would have taken effort and competent devs
@poohbear160
@poohbear160 Жыл бұрын
@@boomerthedingo2196 Nah I’m a Sonic fan myself and even I agree that this game kinda sucks
@retrogamer4655
@retrogamer4655 Жыл бұрын
Not only are the cyberspace stages reused, there's only four stage themes. Also, those stages are so short that they make Sonic Forces stages feel long.
@ovahex
@ovahex Жыл бұрын
They are made to be such since it's Sonic's memories
@bobtheball5384
@bobtheball5384 Жыл бұрын
@@ovahex That's not a good excuse to literally copy and paste levels we've seen before in a new sonic game..
@retrogamer4655
@retrogamer4655 Жыл бұрын
@@ovahex But one of the stages has gimmicks from Sky Rail from Sonic Adventure 2, which was a Shadow stage. why would Sonic have memories of a stage that he never went to?
@ovahex
@ovahex Жыл бұрын
@@retrogamer4655 You can play Sky Rail in multilayer. Who knows, that could explain it
@ovahex
@ovahex Жыл бұрын
@@bobtheball5384 Sonic Generations did this and no one had any complaints
@BluePieNinjaTV
@BluePieNinjaTV Жыл бұрын
I think the problem with the jungle gym design could be fixed if they made each activity self-contained in it's own area. Or possibly gate parts of the level off with these challenges, that might even let a shortcut open to skip it for the next time you have to go through that area.
@OutHereOnThePerimeter
@OutHereOnThePerimeter Жыл бұрын
Like shrines in BOTW. I guess the linear levels are also kinda like that but yeah…
@takoshihitsamaru4675
@takoshihitsamaru4675 Жыл бұрын
But then they'd need to reconcile the notion that those elements represent the CORE of what they've made for game design in Frontiers. That's all they have...
@Moshmaschine
@Moshmaschine Жыл бұрын
Also a great chance to bring in the beloved minute-long load times from '06
@werwolfnate
@werwolfnate Жыл бұрын
Even have the more artificial elements only appear when you activate the course. Have the presence of boost pads, bounce pads and rails be something that pops up from your actions that make it faster to traverse the map. So now every time you see them, there's the knowledge that your the reason they're there.
@BluePieNinjaTV
@BluePieNinjaTV Жыл бұрын
@@werwolfnate completing a challenge could play a little cutscene of the traversal objects rising from the ground or something cool
@bander960
@bander960 Жыл бұрын
I used this review to sleep. It's not because the video was bad, it was because Sonic Frontiers' gameplay is nap-inducing to watch it's so boring
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
😐
@mart5610
@mart5610 Жыл бұрын
the game is so boring
@potatoeOnRooftop
@potatoeOnRooftop Жыл бұрын
This looks like one of those community surf maps in CS 1.6 if someone remembers. Oh boy. I'm not a big sonic guy but this honestly still breaks my heart to see. Who. Green lit. This. Jesus
@miscellaneousmedia3753
@miscellaneousmedia3753 Жыл бұрын
I kinda see it, most of the comments are saying Halo Reach Forge map editor as well, and that's what I also thought lol
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Undeserved likes.
@Neptas
@Neptas Жыл бұрын
They already found the formula 23 years ago with Sonic Adventure 1, then 2. Where the majority of platformers failed the transition to 3D, Sonic was one of the only one to actually made it. Only big problem was the camera, but that was just true for any game at this era due to inexperience in 3D game design. Then, they threw everything out and restarted from scratch, multiple times. I have little hope the Sonic Team is going to re-use this game as a formula, like they haven't for Generations or Adventure. The problems elaborated in this video aren't just big tech problems, or inexperience. Sorry, but having metal rails everywhere in every biome, that's a basic mistake you'd expect from an amateur game. Not being able to, at the very least, change the color/material of the platforms to match the colors of the level itself, that's just a stupidly big error. I'm fine with floating stuff, Sonic is full of it (Angel Island being the best example, or Sanctuary), but it has to at least match the level. That's not just "they forgot", or "they didn't have time", that's the entire point of the level. Saying you don't have budgets for that, or time, is like saying you don't have the budgets to make Sonic blue and Super Sonic yellow, at this point, don't bother making the game at all. The examples of good levels in that video, are old levels made again and again (Chemical Plant, Sanctuary, etc.). They are original, but they aren't from that game, they are just re-made version of previous games, which is why they are unique enemies and mechanics. Basically, Sonic Team is incapable of coming with original new levels anymore.
@TheJadedJames
@TheJadedJames Жыл бұрын
Sonic 2006 was a pretty direct continuation of the formula established by Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, it was just awful. SEGA more-or-less recovered from that with Unleashed/Colors/Generations. Sonic Forces was the natural continuation of that formula which also bombed. SEGA both iterates on ideas pretty consistently ... they just still drop the ball about as often as when they try something completely new. They also seem hesitant to allow devs to complete their ****ing games before they release them ... like to the point where they are paradoxically releasing old games to early. There is no excuse for Sonic Colors to have bugs in 2021
@BlueV205
@BlueV205 Жыл бұрын
Sega is now fully focused on RGG Studio, their current cash cow of the decade. Sonic Team was heavily cut budget-wise and personnel-wise so bad they're basically has the same capacity as a small indie studio. On top of that, they have the added pressure of a very short time constraints from the executives. I'd say the biggest factor here though, is Iizuka's overambitious ideas. He knows his studio is small af compared to the Dark Era, but he's still pushing the studio as if it was still around that size. It's basically Comcept all over again. I'd say Frontiers is a bad game, but it's a good foundation for Sonic right now. It's a fuel Sonic Team needed to push forward and have a chance to become as big as they used to be. They just need to break even and make enough profit that Sega would take notice and give them more support.
@audi.6106
@audi.6106 Жыл бұрын
@@TheJadedJames the reason sonic 06 was bad was because of bugs and glitches. The actual formula of gameplay and level design was solid. They should’ve continued that
@TheJadedJames
@TheJadedJames Жыл бұрын
@@BlueV205 If their resources are so limited it is bizarre that they aren’t just putting out a basic Sonic game made out of some normal effing levels which would be cheaper, easier, review better and probably sell better too
@johannessguten2527
@johannessguten2527 Жыл бұрын
@@audi.6106 and the broken story and physics the level design is awesome
@LePeppino
@LePeppino Жыл бұрын
I just got this game discounted for ps4 and I'm really surprised it runs and looks great. As a Sonic fan it's just nice to play a new Sonic game that's pretty good all around, because it's a feeling I haven't had since Sonic Generations from 2011. Yes it has flaws but it's nowhere near a total failure like some other past titles. The pop-ins are bad, no question, but they don't really disturb the flow of gameplay for me. I wonder though, how tf they could release it like that :D But it runs at stable 30 fps and the visuals are still neat on ps4. All I'm saying is that I really enjoy it, even if it's not a perfect game. Edit: oh yeah and you can customize almost any aspect of the controls and movement behaviour if it doesn't feel right for you, including top speed, acceleration, turning speed etc. Also you could have mentioned how fucking HARD the soundtrack goes in the boss battles and the cyberspace levels. Literally going nuts and demolishing big ass robots to screaming metal music? Sign me up.
@dom_clout7359
@dom_clout7359 Жыл бұрын
I recently purchased the game and I personally find the game very fun. I enjoy bouncing around and fighting enemies and while it might be a hot take, I think the realistic overworld is a breath of fresh air from the super colorful level designs that we received in the past. This is the first time Sonic Team has ever implemented Sonic into a map of this scale and I think we should cut them some slack in terms of the hub design. The new fighting mechanic was also very cool and different from just “homing attack”. The only criticisms i have for the game are the camera angles for certain boss fights, and the usage of old stages from previous games. Cyberspace just feels like a Sonic Generations remake, still fun but honestly nothing new. I also wish we had more involvement with the characters. The writing in this game is honestly SOOO much better than what we received in forces. I do think there were a few too many jokes in scenes that were meant to be serious, but a million times better than the script in Forces. Is the game perfect….. no, but I genuinely had a fun time playing it and would recommend it to people that are just looking for a fun game
@mlgcactus1035
@mlgcactus1035 Жыл бұрын
Its a step forward
@danielwilliam1534
@danielwilliam1534 Жыл бұрын
It’s a fun game. Glad I didn’t take this guys reviews as gospel like so many here.
@salty_lake
@salty_lake Жыл бұрын
Realistic overworld point kind of falls apart when there's 15 copy pasted rails floating in the air
@dom_clout7359
@dom_clout7359 Жыл бұрын
@@salty_lake true, I do wish they added more detail towards the rails to make them work more with the environment. But it doesn’t completely ruin it for me.
@chasing3suns
@chasing3suns Жыл бұрын
The enemies look like they're from a different game because they pretty much are. Lots of resources from PSO NGS got pulled for this game.
@CreationsFlare
@CreationsFlare Жыл бұрын
If anything the NGS engine got me curious but just like NGS it ended up half baked, which just cripples both games.
@chasing3suns
@chasing3suns Жыл бұрын
@@CreationsFlare well said!
@dandrelowery3714
@dandrelowery3714 Жыл бұрын
That’s the main issue I had about pso2 ngs. They literally reskinned so many enemies that they’re not even that innovative like they’re creatively bankrupt. Optimization is poorly done, the open world is bland and uninteresting, enemies too spongy that makes the combat incredibly boring especially with the one button spam combo for majority of the fight, and the content quality is absolutely garbage because of the real content is just cash grabby gacha stuff to customize your character. Hell they even resell you the outfit you just got from old pso2 that was updated with new high res textures with animations when it should be for free as in updating every asset so they wouldn’t be a data hog on your hard drive
@TerrorOfTalos
@TerrorOfTalos Жыл бұрын
Interesting, 5 years of development yet so much asset reuse and not just from its own series but a completely different one. This game had to be a genuine disaster at some point for sure no doubt about it.
@lupinthenerd439
@lupinthenerd439 Жыл бұрын
oh wow. another "pso2 ngs bad" take so original. looks like someone didn't log off recently, to a point of accusing other games of pulling assets....without even playing the game
@TheSkaOreo
@TheSkaOreo Жыл бұрын
"Arrive at a formula to a good sonic game one day" Except Sonic Team is notorious from dropping gameplay mechanics entirely in favor of something "new." So I doubt we'll see a Frontiers 2. Because yeah, if they just focused on mastering a single mechanic, than one could theoretically believe that they could make something out of it. But they refuse to. My guess? I think they recognize that if they do something "new" each and every time, that a bunch of fans will keep buying them in the hopes that "maybe this is the one they right."
@radiotriphammer
@radiotriphammer Жыл бұрын
It won't do well enough to justify investment in this kind of game.
@pinktrutle1490
@pinktrutle1490 Жыл бұрын
​​@@radiotriphammer its the best selling sonic game in 20 years outselling mania get real.
@pinktrutle1490
@pinktrutle1490 Жыл бұрын
NOPE the next sonic game is confirmed to be open zoned like this one. This is the 3rd generation of sonic. The foundation for the next decade.
@TheSkaOreo
@TheSkaOreo 5 ай бұрын
@@pinktrutle1490geez I’m so sorry
@MrVidau
@MrVidau Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that this game was a case of poor resource management, in which the devs just needed a lot more money to make it work and the studio just decided to cut their losses and hope that the IP would be strong enough to mitigate their losses. Everything seems like it's unfinished and done so on purpose.
@HingleMcCringleberryX21J
@HingleMcCringleberryX21J Жыл бұрын
Pretty much. But let’s be real, Sega will probably never give a big enough budget for a well designed and ambitious Sonic title to be made. They don’t have enough confidence in Sonic as a game franchise to justify it, they’d rather prioritize his movies lmao
@georgie9303
@georgie9303 Жыл бұрын
You think it’s an issue of budget? I just think it’s sonic team sucking ass. How do smaller devs with lesser known IP’s/budgets look better than a AAA sonic game? Psychonauts 2, Crash 4, A Hat in Time, Kirby looks better than this garbage
@miagi1337
@miagi1337 Жыл бұрын
In that case it's still incompetency on Team Sonics side. Look at the game "Defunct". Did that game had a huge budget?! Neh, but competent developer that knew what they want to achieve and managed to make the very basic (movement) fun and build up on that.
@ilyamacintosh303
@ilyamacintosh303 Жыл бұрын
More like lack of art direction and direction as a whole.
@gabeznl3591
@gabeznl3591 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. It seems like this is the last Sonic game, depending how in how it will sells.
@Asriel_Cypher
@Asriel_Cypher Жыл бұрын
What's the Outro song?
@ninesalive
@ninesalive Жыл бұрын
Sonic Frontiers looks like a mod for a totally different game
@Text.My.Telgrm
@Text.My.Telgrm Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, Expect more videos soon..send a direct message⬆️⬆️ I have something special for you🎁🎁
@BoxdHound
@BoxdHound Жыл бұрын
I was convinced some child modded Sonic into Death Stranding.
@miguelcondadoolivar5149
@miguelcondadoolivar5149 Жыл бұрын
The footage of the open world reminds me Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis. So maybe they used resources from that thing to build this.
@Therealcovault
@Therealcovault Жыл бұрын
Was just thinking along the lines of this. Frontiers looks like a really bad fan made Sonic game, which is ironic lol
@maximrukinov3101
@maximrukinov3101 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that's one of the most impressive TES Oblivion mods I've seen!
@sarcasm-83
@sarcasm-83 Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine how incredibly cool and vertical level design COULD be in a game like this if someone actually bothered to make environments like we see in the games. Sure, that would be a huge undertaking to make everything that complex with pipes, bouncy springs, ramps, hills, sky platforms and everything, but that is what I imagine when I think of Sonic in a more open 3D world. (I say "more open" as ... I don't think a sonic world like that would benefit from being gigantic and would absolutely prefer more condensed environments than vast open spaces like seen in anything that's being shown about this game) The least they could have done is make the structures Sonic uses coherent with the world design in ANY WAY... but nope, most of the time they just kinda float there and you can't imagine there being any other purpose for any of that to be there, except for Sonic to do stuff in. That is genuinely terrible world design. Pipes, speedways and ramps should have a believable reason for why they even are in the world. For who else or what other purpose, but you?
@RariettyC
@RariettyC Жыл бұрын
The closest we've gotten to that since the Adventure days is Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric, which...is an awful game, but I also could sense that some of the (non-Sonic-Team) devs on it wanted to do something like that judging by concept art. Even in that game's awful state it feels like more effort was put into making its open-world hub area feel cohesive than Sonic Frontiers, even if Sonic Frontiers is clearly a much better game
@Skylancer727
@Skylancer727 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that'll never happen with Sonic Team. Every game they've ever made has been rushed out to meet a deadline. Hell Sonic 3 they were so pushy on it they literally broke the game in half and made a method to inject the missing content in later. This game also has the same as the last two of the 5 islands are just segments of the first island cut off. Some people who cracked the game have shown you can even cheese your way into those areas.
@thabreez456
@thabreez456 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes because loops in green hill zone wasn’t just for sonic to use. It was a very useful tools for the animals to……run around.
@markwheeler4245
@markwheeler4245 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m looking at the rails and thinking WTAF
@TheJadedJames
@TheJadedJames Жыл бұрын
Most other platform games including past Sonic games have done what Skill Up is suggesting. Take Mario Odyssey for example. Hell ... the hub world section of Sonic Adventure from over twenty years ago feel like they have more identity than what I've seen in Sonic Frontiers.
@Dave_Art_R
@Dave_Art_R Жыл бұрын
Looks a bit like a fan game from 2016 or so mixed with the original concept of Sonic06 (they were aiming for an Openworld game back then as well).
@a.b.3455
@a.b.3455 Жыл бұрын
Especially the overworld colour pallet reminds me of those "made in unreal" fan games.
@Dave_Art_R
@Dave_Art_R Жыл бұрын
@@a.b.3455 I agree! It Sonic feels a bit out of place. :'/
@ohmygahdbilly
@ohmygahdbilly Жыл бұрын
I think I acfually remember a tech demo some fan made that was basically this but embarrassingly it was pretty solid compared to this.
@SergeantSpectre
@SergeantSpectre Жыл бұрын
I am curious to see if the pop-in will be there on PC.
@zedrake
@zedrake Жыл бұрын
At 3:25 it reminds me of glitching out a Gears of War map into an area the player clearly isn't supposed to be......in 2007
@wolf1nsoul
@wolf1nsoul Жыл бұрын
Remember those people that said: "Ohhh wait till it comes out and blow your mind, it'll be a sleeper hit" LOL?
@saloz9483
@saloz9483 Жыл бұрын
well it seems to be still getting positive reactions just not scoring 9's
@arsenelupin9697
@arsenelupin9697 Жыл бұрын
@@saloz9483 So did Fallout 76 and Cyberpunk ^^ That alone, is not a guarantee for any kind of quality.
@saloz9483
@saloz9483 Жыл бұрын
@@arsenelupin9697 cyberpunk got thrashed in reviews for the console versions. Any positive reviews came from the PC games since those actually ran the game.
@lucavalente6620
@lucavalente6620 Жыл бұрын
@@arsenelupin9697 cyberpunk was nuked at launch and 76 too
@leon24832
@leon24832 Жыл бұрын
It has it problems but it's still pretty fun and refreshing. I feel like people need to play the games instead of living and dying off of critic's opinions. 7.5 for me.
@TheEmckay
@TheEmckay Жыл бұрын
I most like your point about blending and adding features/obstacles that mesh with the given environment sonic is in. Hell, back in Sonic Heroes there WAS grinding on vines and stuff like that when you were going through rainforest or like the bits where you'd grab on to a stretchy vine that would rubberband as sonic grabbed onto it and then fling him high into the air for the next stages of the level. Or in the cities, where shadow is grinding on Industrial/highway style railing with yellow and black markings along it. I really do think this is something I always loved about Sonic Games. I also saw someone else mention Tony Hawk Pro Skater and I think that's a great example for sonic because it's a similar formula of taking an otherwise normal environment and re-imagining it through the eyes of a skateboarder or in this case, Sonic. Just think, "How could sonic turn this desert into an obstacle course" and boom, you've got a recipe for a great sonic level. Sand dunes you can ramp off of, maybe even buggies you can drive or pyramid/stone structures that dynamically emerge from the sand and change the pathing sonic would take. Random sandstorms/tornadoes that carried platforms in them and had rewards at the top or sandworms as bosses. Underground puzzle caves for sonic to slow down a bit and unlock new areas and whatnot. I think what makes me so sad is Sonic really is such a great candidate for these kind of games where your imagination can kind of run wild. Just need to tie in the already established themes from older sonic games like bosses and enemies that actually resemble Eggman's creations. Levels that resemble old cities. I mean hell, they could remake sky sanctuary for all I care and flesh it out, I always love when sonic goes with these ancient vibes and environments. Sonic Adventure 1 was a great example of this with Chaos. I really wish we could get back to the more serious yet witty Sonic in those games.
@toonaurz2620
@toonaurz2620 Жыл бұрын
I completely agree.
@trygveplaustrum4634
@trygveplaustrum4634 Жыл бұрын
*Honestly, it looks like it was made on Unity.*
@mlgcactus1035
@mlgcactus1035 Жыл бұрын
Nah, it reminds me of those fan games where mario is in unreal engine
@jonbeecee
@jonbeecee Жыл бұрын
Defense squad here, just wanna chime in with a few cents. First of all I think this is a valid, thought-out review and says a lot of things that NEEDED to be said. More Sonic fans need to see this video so they can get some outside perspective. But it works both ways--more casual audiences need to get a bit of perspective from Sonic fans, and Frontiers kinda needs to be evaluated in context Tl;Dr this is probably the best Sonic game directed by Morio Kishimoto in terms of story, voice acting, writing, ambition, and gameplay. The characters themselves are at their peak here. Cyberspace is getting off too easy tho cuz a lot of Sonic fans are not impressed with it. SEGA is more at fault than Sonic Team, and Sonic Team seriously needs more budget and manpower. If Sonic Team improves this formula for the next one, it'll be a mastapeece Long version: If you know the basic ins and outs of Sonic Unleashed, Colors, Generations, Lost World, and Forces, it makes you realize just how much this game does and how much it improved over EVERYTHING since Generations (especially Forces, the previous installment to Frontiers). We haven't had a Sonic title this ambitious since Unleashed in 2008 I strongly disagree with the critique on the characters. I'd say this is their BEST portrayal since the mid 2000s. For the past decade, the games have had writers that don't really understand what makes the characters tick, and they come across as one-dimensional and overly quippy, constantly making shitty jokes. Frontiers got the lead comic book writer, Ian Flynn, who REALLY knows the material and the character dynamics. Frontiers is more somber and does take itself a bit seriously, but NO game has been like that since 2009, and Sonic fans have really missed this tone. The more laidback performances are a HUGE breath of fresh air, it feels like a return to form. The cutsceces are pretty boring visually though The cyberspace levels are...fine. Sonic controls worse here than the open world and WAY worse than previous installments. Many of the level designs are ripped straight from other games, even Sonic Adventure 2. Cyberspace is basically a guttted version of Generations. The environments may be bright, but there's only 4 aesthetics, and 2 of them have been present in nearly EVERY title since 2011. We've literally gotten Green Hill in every game for the past decade, and at this point it's visually exhausting. With the open world, Sonic clashing with the environment is kind of the point. These mysterious islands are supposed to be where the chaos emeralds were originally made, they're meant to look foreign and Sonic is SUPPOSED to look out of place. I heard the open world "jungle gym" level design was added later in development after the landscapes had already been created, which explains...a lot. I also heard the last 2 islands were originally part of the first island so they just split it up, so it's clear they had to cut corners mid development. The producer, Takashi Izuka, had to BEG SEGA to get one more year of development, so imagine this thing coming out a year ago. And Frontiers has had the longest dev cycle of ANY Sonic game: 5 years If you want a short rundown of the last few games from a fan perspective, here ya go: Unleashed: introduced the boost gameplay. Amazing level design with speed and flow, great level length. Werehog combat was solid but felt out of place and those levels were too long Colors: Kishimoto game. Much slower than Unleashed, very stop and go level design, mostly 2D. Big focus on gimmicks, reduced Sonic's moveset. New writers, dialogue took a nosedive. Good enough game though Generations: Excellent game, refined version of Unleashed. Level design is a bit more stop and go but still very fast. Levels a little shorter than Unleashed. No werehog this time Lost World: Kishimoto game. Completely changed the gameplay formula after Generations instead of building upon what Gens nearly perfected. No one asked for this, literally why? Forces: Kishimoto game. Retroactively shoehorned Lost World gameplay and physics back into to boost gameplay. Levels are very short, heavily automated, and some can be beaten with one hand. Sonic's moveset is greatly reduced. Takes 2 hours to beat. No ambition whatsoever, every aspect was completely phoned in Hope this infodump was helpful :)
@Ronan34753
@Ronan34753 Жыл бұрын
I'd argue they did have a successful formula for 3D Sonic. They just gave up on evolving it, and went ahead making gimmicky experiments. Frontiers should've taken a lot of lessons from Sonic Adventure 1 & 2. Not doing so has constantly bitten them back in one way or another. Edit: Oh yeah, and the reason the cyberspace stages seem so fun. Is because a lot of them are comprised of ripped stages from previous 3D Sonic games (Sonic Adventure 2, Unleashed, and Generations).
@1mpetus
@1mpetus Жыл бұрын
SEGA needs to take the open world aspect and make Sonic Adventure 3 with it
@snakey888
@snakey888 Жыл бұрын
Neither sa1 or 2 have anything to teach, except for perhaps how not to design a Sonic game. The few good things those games do are done better in other games.
@zedorian6547
@zedorian6547 Жыл бұрын
@@snakey888 I see you are either a classic purist or a boost baby. Take your pick. Since SA1&2 were both fantastic games and considering just how often they are being requested to return to that formula I would say that the fanbase agrees. Just because you personally dont like them doesnt make them “unable to teach anything”.
@Zephhi
@Zephhi Жыл бұрын
@@snakey888 Literally lol SA1 and 2 are so fucking overrated because of a few levels that people like and nostalgia
@muhammedraashid3667
@muhammedraashid3667 Жыл бұрын
@@zedorian6547 You have nostalgia glasses. Sonic adventure aged like milk.
@elitereptilian200
@elitereptilian200 Жыл бұрын
that opem world level design reminds me of me as a adhd kid trying to build something out of random lego blocks..
@ADHDad
@ADHDad Жыл бұрын
Give yourself a little more credit than whoever did this, at least you were building something on purpose even if it was made of random parts.
@AdellRedwinters
@AdellRedwinters Жыл бұрын
it really says something that a middling 6 or 7 out of 10 open world game is basically an 11/10 sonic game.
@Abykitty06
@Abykitty06 6 ай бұрын
love the fact that most of the comments like these havent even touched the game
@elliottb7009
@elliottb7009 Жыл бұрын
i have not beaten the game, half way. but to me the reason of why there is all the " out of place" rails and stuff is because eggman has been in the realm and built these thing to start a war years ago, and the place is an abandoned ruin of what it was. it seems like that what the story was getting at. and the realism thing was because sonic is in a different realm or dimension, not earth. and the digital realm is aspects of things. i do agree the pop in is bad, and really can hinder exploration. i think it the engine is bad or just a hangover from trying to cater the switch or previous gen consoles. unreal engine would have been nicer. i do wish there were a few more digital levels, or perhaps harder challenges, or more challenges. possibly longer too. releasing a level editor would make a sonic game insane. but i do recommend this game, i am having a good time. i also feel that, like the movie. good changes need to be rewarded. this deserves success to be recognized and expanded on in a future release. they didn't do any shitty microtrans bullshit or crappy premium edition ( yes you can buy the album, music is great).
@TrufeaboutGaming
@TrufeaboutGaming Жыл бұрын
One day as I was playing Ratchet & Clank and riding on the rails I thought to myself.....imagine if Insomniac made a Sonic game. Just imagine it.
@whaleping
@whaleping Жыл бұрын
Turn Sonic into rip off of Spider-Man?
@nottheone3408
@nottheone3408 Жыл бұрын
@@whaleping never played ratchet and clank huh
@whaleping
@whaleping Жыл бұрын
@@nottheone3408 eh, they are kinda slow paced and safe for my taste
@jonathanbaird
@jonathanbaird Жыл бұрын
@@whaleping “Too safe” he says, while defending a game that haphazardly throws together every trending open-world mechanic from a decade ago. Level grinding, skill trees, empty landscapes, menial activities and fetch quests - there nothing innovative about Sonic Frontiers.
@whaleping
@whaleping Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanbaird Why does Sonic have to be innovated for the rest of gaming? He owes them nothing. He only has to innovative to himself and Frontiers has from the decade of the Boost formula.
@SomeUnkindledAsh
@SomeUnkindledAsh Жыл бұрын
Those random pieces of metal just floating in the air are hilarious
@chrisnichols9014
@chrisnichols9014 Жыл бұрын
Amazing game design! 10/10 lmfao
@jeremymack6241
@jeremymack6241 Жыл бұрын
The camera and loose controls are the biggest hurdle for this game feeling great to play. It goes from frustrating to good depending on the situation. I really wish the 3D movement here felt as tight as both adventure games.
@calistusjay60
@calistusjay60 Жыл бұрын
You can customize his controls though? And the camera.
@nermax7022
@nermax7022 Жыл бұрын
aren’t you the guy who for some reason thought the marauder could be beat by shooting it with the chain gun?
@RichardPlaysStuff
@RichardPlaysStuff Жыл бұрын
I'm a diehard Sonic fan and have been burnt by him so many times. The last universally good Sonic game came out 5 years ago and wasn't even made by Sonic Team. The last great Sonic Team game was 2011. Sonic needs a win. From seeing gameplay, impressions, reviews like these, it seems like it's going to be like Pokemon Legends Arceus where the fans have been so burnt out, something coming along that seems like a dim light at the end of the tunnel as opposed to all-out quality is enough for them. I'm going to wait for a bit to even think about getting this game but, hopefully, it's the start of something interesting and good for the future because I just cannot be arsed with this franchise anymore if they can't pull it off soon.
@JorgeGarcia-gp5cf
@JorgeGarcia-gp5cf Жыл бұрын
Pour one out to those poor QA testers that have already bugged all the stuff he mentioned in this video, only to get a "Won't Fix" response from the devs.
@SamuelCatsy
@SamuelCatsy Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if the devs at Sonic Team have a notepad document on their desktops that they can just copy-paste the contents of and it says something along the lines of "If it won't make us fail compliance, ignore it"
@NamelessOne91
@NamelessOne91 Жыл бұрын
also pour one to the poor devs, that are probably fully aware of those bugs yet are forced to meet an absurd deadline set by their leadership at Sega
@jonathanbaird
@jonathanbaird Жыл бұрын
@@NamelessOne91 Frontiers was in development for 5 years. This is on the leadership at Sonic Team, not SEGA.
@Sorrowdusk
@Sorrowdusk Жыл бұрын
@15:35 In the *Grim Darkness* of the Starfall Islands, there is only *WAR* .
@StonnyMc
@StonnyMc Жыл бұрын
I wonder if having to make this game for the switch has anything to do with it's average looks and technical side
@lukehendriech3812
@lukehendriech3812 Жыл бұрын
this feels like a Tech demo I was hoping for something like Sonic Adventure 1/2 and all we had seen was the starting area but I am very sad to see this isn't wasn't the case and not what I had hoped for
@bigpoppaHH69
@bigpoppaHH69 Жыл бұрын
It's a good game
@Josh-iz5kb
@Josh-iz5kb Жыл бұрын
Cry then and go play sonic adventure 1/2 whilst everybody else enjoys a fresh new sonic title🤷‍♂️🤣
@mechadeka
@mechadeka Жыл бұрын
@@Josh-iz5kb >fresh >is a boost game >fresh
@Josh-iz5kb
@Josh-iz5kb Жыл бұрын
@@mechadeka ??? A coherent sentence please..
@fallenmercury
@fallenmercury Жыл бұрын
Sonic Adventure was just as bad as this game, its just your nostalgia talking.
@mintcake2668
@mintcake2668 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit that pop in is something else.
@Emelenzia
@Emelenzia Жыл бұрын
Game oddly reminds me of Bubsy 3d design. Which I admit I have a soft for, so I expect I would have fun playing even if its a bit of a mess.
@KurooTheEditor
@KurooTheEditor Жыл бұрын
best morden sonic game shits badass
@weaverquest
@weaverquest Жыл бұрын
Extreme pop-in in a game where the whole idea is to go fast all the time must be a cruel joke to the all the Sonic fans.
@martinaguiluz4063
@martinaguiluz4063 Жыл бұрын
It would be if it actually hindered the gameplay, which it doesn't.
@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne
@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne Жыл бұрын
There's no "extreme" pop in though. He's the king of exaggeratiion.
@martinaguiluz4063
@martinaguiluz4063 Жыл бұрын
@@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne exactly
@lucylu3342
@lucylu3342 Жыл бұрын
You've alerted the Sonic Defense Squad
@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne
@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne Жыл бұрын
@@lucylu3342 more positive reviews than negative :)
@n8doggy733
@n8doggy733 Жыл бұрын
9:16 this is exactly the feeling I had towards this game from the moment it was revealed.
@R04D3X
@R04D3X Жыл бұрын
I agree for most of the review however in regards to the story you could not be more wrong on this. this is the best sonic story we've had in so long, so long to the point where we have takes of people saying that "sonic shouldn't have a story" when it was one of the most prominent thing in the most beloved sonic games SA1 and SA2. this is the best written we've seen these characters in years and while yes they do just talk to eachother at least the dialogue and conversations are actually meaningful this time. I know you aren't a sonic fan so I can see why you wouldn't see that but to anyone familiar with previous games these conversations are a true joy
@redrobins731
@redrobins731 Жыл бұрын
Basically, it's only good because it's been so bad for so long. So it's not truly good on its own terms -- just by comparison to what came before.
@R04D3X
@R04D3X Жыл бұрын
@@redrobins731 no I still disagree on that point too
@mlgcactus1035
@mlgcactus1035 Жыл бұрын
I think for most players the story is ok, but for sonic fans its amazing because of, "resons"
@bruhtholemew
@bruhtholemew Жыл бұрын
@@R04D3X That's kind of what you're saying though. It's been over a decade since SA2. How many Sonic games have their been since then? Even then, SA2's story isn't something amazing.
@GothamThotSlayer
@GothamThotSlayer Жыл бұрын
@@redrobins731 so much focus and energy on people who enjoy the game which makes yall say dumb shit like this just because your echo chamber isn't getting any bigger kn how you originally feel about sonic games in general. You can't define the community like that. People will like games for what they are and sometimes they will not like the game cuz they played it and think it's bad. Why is it such a big deal to yall if the game overall was met with positivity than the toxicity you guys are dishing out?
@LockeTheCole
@LockeTheCole Жыл бұрын
I gotta disagree with your summary... They cracked it in just the same way as this with Sonic Adventure 1... IE, they had a good template for future Sonic games. Problem is, they never properly built on it, and instead narrowed it down to what worked, sort of, and left it at that, tossing gimmicks at that design instead of actually expanding on and refining it. I expect the same thing will happen here...
@Montesama314
@Montesama314 Жыл бұрын
Sonic Team has never learned to just stick with something and improve upon it. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel with every game. So you end up with Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Forces, and Sonic Frontiers, which all have different gimmicks and environments but all suffer from lack of polish in one way or another.
@matthewbraith0411
@matthewbraith0411 Жыл бұрын
Yeah True.
@MarkerMurker
@MarkerMurker Жыл бұрын
Unleashed doesn't have a lack of polish, you have to go out of your way to cause bugs most of the time.
@TheJadedJames
@TheJadedJames Жыл бұрын
I sort of disagree. Back in the day, we had Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 and then Sonic 2006. Then we had Unleashed, Colors, Generations, and Forces. SEGA is capable of making good games and winning formulas and keeping them going ... and then they'll **** them up, mostly out of spite for the idea of allowing developers to finish games before they are released to the public. We also get distracted by their dumb side games like Sonic Boom and Shadow the Hedgehog
@jordancromwell
@jordancromwell Жыл бұрын
Unleashed is solid
@waves9515
@waves9515 Жыл бұрын
Have the ppl defending Unleashed here ever played it? Lmao Sonic can barely be reliably controlled in the speed stages and one wrong stick direction often = death. And the night time wearhog stages have horrendous frame rates during combat so combos are borderline impossible and the platforming is incredibly jank to say the least. Overall, pretty ass. The levels were cool though.
@KraniumZzZz
@KraniumZzZz Жыл бұрын
I think the term you're looking for when talking about logic and syntax is 'Design Language'. And yeah, this game has no cohesive design language at all
@limontree476
@limontree476 Жыл бұрын
From these clips the overworld makes me think of a Rust server where it's just filled with semi randomly placed structures built purely for function.
@JakeTylenol
@JakeTylenol Жыл бұрын
10:23 Rebuilt from scratch he says, that’s fucking hilarious. If you’re a Sonic fan you know.
@dreadgear9683
@dreadgear9683 Жыл бұрын
When i think about sonic what does come to my mind? Funny characters with quirky dialogue dialogue like Sonic or Tails, occasional edgy characters like shadow that are funny because they feel out of place, characters who have self interest and look to gain like Eggman/rouge, I think of opportunities when i get the chance to play as said characters, a flying plane section with tails, a beat down/break down sections with knuckles, an explosive level with shadow. When i think about sonic's levels i expect a very colorful enviroment, high contrast and acid greens and yellows, deep blue waters. What's presented feels like an asset flip in someone's first take on unreal engine Thinks look bland, combat feels like its initial concept phases and all the flying parts that could be used as a future puzzles are still in their placeholder forms. This game needed a year, god it might have needed more and even if they carry out some aspects that worked a sequel that will utilize that is many many years ago at this point i'm certain that we will not see a good 3D sonic game anytimes soon.
@leonic458
@leonic458 Жыл бұрын
Me who don't even pay attention to pop in while boosting with the camera option slider to very close enjoying speed
@flamingosarerad9362
@flamingosarerad9362 Жыл бұрын
I think this game would have been a great opportunity to introduce a new art direction for sonic. Like what if it was this game but the graphics looked like the cell shaded boldness of sonic battle? :o
@owenleal
@owenleal Жыл бұрын
Cel shaded art styles havent been original for a while and the last thing we need is another botw clone.
@saitamasensei4508
@saitamasensei4508 Жыл бұрын
@@owenleal zelda is more realistic then sonic in art style. Always has been. If anyone needs that. Its sonic
@owenleal
@owenleal Жыл бұрын
@@saitamasensei4508 there are other ways to change up a character visually than just slapping a cel shaded filter over your game and acting like you've done something.
@brycebitetti1402
@brycebitetti1402 Жыл бұрын
@Saitama / Sensei No it hasn't. Zelda is famous for constantly shifting artstyle depending on the game. Are you really about to call The Wind Waker realistic here? Sonic has generally leaned towards a more realistic artstyle ever since Sonic 3, which upped the naturalism in comparison to the surrealist zones in Sonic 1 & 2, and most games in the 2000s expounded upon this art direction. People viewing the series from the outside looking in seem to have this vision of Sonic that begins and ends with Green Hill Zone, it's about going fast in a cartoon world saving animals, when for most of its life Sonic games have tried to lean in a more serious, realistic tone. The whole point is to add contrast to Sonic as a character. He's often thrown into scenarios pitted up against gods and monsters and otherworldly deities alongside people who allow the seriousness of the situation to overwhelm them. Sonic, meanwhile, is the unflappable, fun-loving beacon of light to rally around, and the contrast he provides to a more realistic setting compounds that role.
@flamingosarerad9362
@flamingosarerad9362 Жыл бұрын
Guys look into the game sonic battle specifically. It’s not really cell shaded actually but it’s very bold and stylistic. Would have been fucking sick for s game like this. Think viewtiful joe maybe
@LCyte88
@LCyte88 Жыл бұрын
I didn't expect it to be any good at all lol
@DOOMStudios
@DOOMStudios Жыл бұрын
When they announced that they were making a 3D Sonic open world game I kinda expected it wouldn’t do well lol.
@darkscoutergamer6168
@darkscoutergamer6168 Жыл бұрын
@@DOOMStudios the concept is good but for sure maybe the game definitely could of have been better,I think other reviews felt a little more good than this one but i respect it nonetheless 🙏🏻💙
@Alexis-no4yj
@Alexis-no4yj Жыл бұрын
Seeing as how the majority loves it, don’t let one negative opinion skew your view of it 🤷‍♂️
@DOOMStudios
@DOOMStudios Жыл бұрын
@@darkscoutergamer6168 yeah the concept might sound interesting but it just doesn’t even land in a sonic game.
@renansantos6533
@renansantos6533 Жыл бұрын
Funny enough the majority of the reviews of the game are being good so far. So yeah. This is one of the bad reviews tbh 😂😂😂
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