But he still avg. 1.4 points game

So all of this is because skip got mad that Jalen Rose talked about his stats...but yet and still he want all nba players to be thick skinned...come on skip that hypocrisy at its best

Izzy sticking up for Skip just reminds us the "Machine" is real and the "go along, get along gang" is accurate AF. Always respected Marcellus.

I hope I get to meet Marcellus Wiley some day so I can personally thank him for this magnificent drubbing he dished out on national television. To say that every one of his points was logically sound, dead accurate, and substantiated with ample evidence would not do his performance justice. Mesmerizing was the brutal clarity, unflappable confidence, and the impressively cold, clinical composure with which Wiley crafted his points. He even went so far as to anticipate the ludicrous and pathetic counter-arguments that Bayless would desperately attempt to muster, so that he could rehearse precisely how best to further humiliate him. It was clear from the beginning that Wiley would not settle for compromise. He was determined to thoroughly, deservedly expose his opponent as a morally and intellectually bankrupt charlatan who crawls out of his rat hole for two hours a day in the hopes of salvaging but one ounce of the gallons of self-worth he sorely lacks. As one commenter pointed out, the producer of this show -- in a frankly un-subtle fashion -- invited Israel Gutierrez in a humane attempt to palliate the remarkably one-sided beatdown transpiring before their eyes. But nothing could stand in the way of the inimitable force that is Marcellus Wiley. Indeed, his skills as an athlete and analyst are of such impressive breadth and depth -- owing to the harmonious interconnectivity of his God-given talent, moral rectitude, and unrelenting work ethic -- that the lack of an invitation thereafter from the disreputable filth that is First Take should come as no surprise.

So pretty much from this video all i got was "You make millions of dollars and you are in the public eye. We can make fun of you." Great job ESPN.

Marcellus owned them

“Water pistol Pete” had skip EXTRA hurt tho😭😭

I side with Marcellus...he's da man on this argument. Skip is to prideful to back down..Marcellus backs up his side FLAWLESSLY.

What the hell is Isreal Gutierrez?

This is why I love people like Woj and company. They report the facts and keep it about hoops.

I love how ESPN FT had to shut down for a few days because Skip was exposed as a liar. It's like to the media, athletes need to have a skin made of concrete but members of the media can have a skin made of glass. Newsflash Skip, you're a public figure too, don't get upset because Jalen gave you a nick-name and exposed you as a liar. Just goes to show you that sportswriters can dish it but can't take any criticism.

Skip is a hypocrite. And ol boy. They said jalen was wrong cause he fished up some stats and called skip out his name. That’s the same thing as what skip does. How else do he come up with the names

i love how skip is trying to change the truth u were watered down pistol pete and we all know it u can have ur colleagues try to buffer u up for the public to bad i see thru it maybe everyone else dont but i do

I bet Israel would trip out if someone talked about him being gay

First Take was so much fun back then, I love how Jay is mostly letting them talk without cutting them off every minute.

So much respect for Marcellus.

Skip never outdebates Stephen a Smith, what is he talking about?

They took down the video where Jalen Rose called him out on his lies. ESPN had to try to find the facts first. Jalen was right tho Skip was lying.

It's not about athletes against non athletes. If a former professional athlete, now analyst, calls players names, they would've felt the same way towards that guy.

Reporters don't like it that an athlete now has a voice without them.

Marcellus only dude with common sense

So basically what they're saying is because they get paid millions of dollars, that gives sports writers the right to say whatever they want to them. Since they have big paychecks, these "kids" have thick skin and know how to deal with grown up criticism. Marcellus is absolutely right!

“I shame his nickname with my performance by out debating him” first off if that were true he wouldn’t still call you that 3 times per episode 😂😂

Had to come back and rewatch this after the skip and Shannon debacle 🤣🤣 skip was all butthurt because Jalen called him water pistol Pete 🔫 and his 1.5pts a game in highschool 🤣🤣 so he can call Chris Bosh "Bosh spice" and lebron "prince James" all he wants and criticize athletes and they should just get thick skin but when it's turn back on him and these other writers it's not the same thing? 🤣🤣 Foh smh

These people name-call because they know that they are protected from getting that ass whipped.

Marcellus is really smart , nice

So it's ok if the newspapers said Skip would've been a great player had he not been with that coach, but they still get to call Kwame Brown a scrub because he went to the terrible team Jordan was the GM of? 🤔🤔

Man I miss these days

I got to say this is easily one of the best sports talk things I've ever seen very interesting

wait when did this happen? i need to see that if theres any footage at all

How are you gonna tell a grown man how to respond with name calling?

Old episode, but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. While that show was not done specifically for Chris Bosh’s family, Chris was not obligated to perform just so Skip would stop name calling. There has to be a self check at some point where Chris had already shown the tough skin and Skip just needed to stop himself from going there and he kept justifying why he didn’t need to do that.

So can someone tell me the difference of calling an athlete a bust or nickname? Im confused

4:58 - 5:42.... can some tell me what’s the terminology to describe this type of behavior?

Skip is self centered. Shock jock. No RESPECT. I don't watch him or listen to him.

I guarantee Mike is gonna say something if anyone calls him Michelle

SKIP OUTDEBATES NOTHING maybe 5% on the good day

Marcellus was needed. That intellect is undeniable. They were just trying to come up with ludicrous ways to be right.

Why does 2012 espn look more hd than 2019 espn

It's always different when it pertains to them it seems

i went back almost 6 years later and realized skip knew he was wrong welcome 2019

part 3?

Well said!!

Until someone gets hurt then will you all start changing the way you call the players name

ESPN FT had to shut down? Huh?

Now I see why Israel hasn’t been on espn lmao

They will never see eye to eye on this issue. Athletes will have there side and jerk writers will have there's. Writers have that "i didnt play complex" whether they admit it or not.

Skip is of the variety of people who walk among us who will hold on to any point of view SOLELY because he does not want to be wrong. The anguish of saying 'hmm you know what, maybe name calling is a fucked up thing to do to someone and I never looked at it from that perspective' is too great a burden for this demographic of people to endure. They can't admit when they are wrong. I never liked Marcellus Wiley, never cared too much for Jalen Rose either, but the fact remains theyre point wins.

For those on the journalism side, this didnt age well.

well said, dude

Stephen A is an analyst, he does work outside this show, he writes articles on espn, he analyses games. Skip is job is solely to do this show, he does nothing out of this show. Skip only gets paid for this show. I'm sorry but bosh spice is a nickname, if you use regularly and dont use the actual name, it is a nick name. Athletes are like us, they're all human beings, if they dont like the nick name then dont say it. Secondly, why should athletes come on the show to ask not be called a name?

I wonder if Skip would call Mike Tyson ‘Michelle’?

So because the person makes millions are aloud to call the person out of there name?

Public Enemy has a song, Can't Trust Them . I'm glad we have video of these people talking shit because one man was talking journalists credibility and the others had there feelings on their minds. We have a word for that and it's not thug.

How many people roast each other everyday all day?

Skip MUST BE HIGH! He hasn’t outdebated SAS. Lmao

Hypocrisy at its best! 😂

Sorry but just because your teammates say you could've averaged 18ppg at another school does not mean you could have. It's coulda, shoulda, woulda. Doesn't matter. You still scored 1.4 ppg. No coach is going to sit down a player who has 18ppg potential unless they have a guy out there who has 25-30 ppg potential, which does not seem to be the case here. Ultimately, coaches want to win because that's their meal ticket to better jobs. I don't for 1 second believe this narrative that Skip was blackballed by his coach and that's why he only score 1.4 ppg...that's just ridiculous. Also, are we just gonna forget Skip isn't even 6ft tall? The chances of him going to a top tier basketball program in college let alone the NBA is damn near 0%. So for him to act like he would've been out there lighting it up, even at a high school level, is just silly.

Skip "Water Pistol Pete" Bayless - PMSL

The news cycle must have been barren that this topic of name calling had to be prolonged as much as it did, talk about content-chasing. And I bet nothing was resolved because everyone is dug in.

Its a well know social phenomenon that negative energy creates more social stir, which in this case is views/rating and comments. People arguing in the comment sections always create more traffic which creates more money

Skip lacks journalistic integrity

The problem is that the actual sport is the entertainment and if people think it's boring to read about a sport or hear about it from reporters, then that should be accepted and you should let the whole thing die. But to start disrespecting ppl just to keep things interesting is out of line from a human perspective and is not a good message to children.

They just making excuses to name calling, I see where SAS got the loud over talking from.

You notice they always bring someone on here of color to defend skip

What sports have Skip and Israel played? Non- athletic sports analysts who weren't good enough to play professionally but are being overly critical of professional athletes.

The fact that they was a debate for the sake of Skip Bayless and say that you could have transferred and got better numbers? Really? Why they can't see the same for other athletes like Kwame Brown? If he didn't play under Jordan's anger?

Simes.... That does not give you the right to insult them. Insult their game but not not them personally. I still am trying to figure out because they make money we have the right to call them out.

Obviously this is years ago.. but if I was Marcellus I woulda been RECKLESS. I woulda told Israel say somebody calls you Bomb boy.. would you not be offended.

Couldn't have said it better don't throw stones if you live in a glass house

Who is this little guy? did he play pro sports?

Marcellus has a point but it'll never change from the fans to the players to the media when you put yourself in the public eye it's open season

This is hilarious coming from a openly gay man. Smh. 😵

but the fact is the story wasn't told correctly

No

B4 Wiley sold his soul.

so much bullshit from skip, rob, and izzy a he or her to try to justify why they should be able to call someone out of their name. they look and sound ridiculous. skip said his situation was different...how? lmao jalen had the numbers in front of him and didnt state opinions. shit was so bad, espn needed to give skip an intervention that lasted days. LMAO

These non athletic no skill PPL are rediculous

fuckin jay crawford always killing the momentum with his commercial breaks

yeah i will agree with u but more than likely some of those players dont rise to their standers and thats where skip and stepahn A. come in to play with the name calling to show that as they have been doing their homework, that so and so has not been stepping up to play like you should as a NBA,NFL,MLB ect. player and that is what they are calling out just as anyone of us as a fan would do.

i like skip but he is a hypocrite most of the time. If you dont like the name king james then why do you need to say prince james. If you call him a ringless king, then thats fare but prince, i bet he wont say it to their face.

DAMN WHERE IS SAS?

It was not 1.4, it was 1.6....skip was a baller

@stayfly68 He said LBJ has a better field goal percentage this year than MJ. Not that he was better

Izzy defending Skip is blasphemy 😂

funny how "athletes sticking up for athletes" is a thing, but "journalists sticking up for journalists" isn't.

I agree some athletes should grow a spine but most have one cause its a million sport shows and blogs that go in on them and handle it but these last 2 days of the show has been cause the journalist/reporter didnt have a spine and couldnt handle what Jalen said to him so if they wanna avoid athletes firing back then they shouldnt make it so personal with particular ones. He knit picks LBJ, Westbrook, Rex Ryan,, T.O. every show...thats a bit much dont u think

I'm so glad at least one person has a brain haha

LOL skips nickname has changed over the years from Skip BASELESS to now DRIP Bayless

Maybe I'm just slow however that sounds like some justification for BULLY CONCEPTS just saying that's what I'm hearing y'all some hypocrites at the utmost extreme level please debate me I'll show u and hand u a better way to be more entertaining without having resort to bully justification

How do Stephen A lie?

Stephen A.Smith USED to be a journalist, he stopped being that after becoming a regular on this show. I don't think Skip was a journalist when he was actually employed as a journalist..calling Troy Aikman GAY in a book based on hearsay!! In my original comment the main point was that Skip and Stephen A practice Yellow Journalism on TV, lying was secondary. These 2 have every right to act like STOOGES in order to get ratings/attention, just don't go on TV and deny it, you can't have it both ways

Skip aka water pistol Pete aka mr 1.4 ppg

Isray and Skip just dont get it cause when u cross the line to name calling it makes it personal but it also makes u look crazy when u turn around and praise the athlete the very next day after a stellar performance. if u keep the criticism performance based then u wont look like a bandwagoner jumpin on and off a players jock every week

All I'm saying is Skip is playing with fire on a thin line with name calling and thinking he can say whatever whenever to whoever and there not be any consequences. It's gone be an athlete one day that's gone say fuck it and come after him frfr. I hope it never happens but everybody ain't humble like Lebron and just let it go. Anybody that makes it to the pros in any sport is not soft by any means they go through hell to get where they are so attacking a guy character after a game, or few games, or a season is disrespectful. Journalists like Skip just want publicity anyway he can get it to build his fan base and earn more money and he will do or say whatever to get it. Feel sorry for the guy

No he was lying because he made it seem as if he was this star scoring point guard in H.S. before he made the heroic decision to become a passing P.G. Just his teammates saying that he would've starred elsewhere is not an adequate defense because if you don't play in a game, no one really knows how good you are.

Of course, I don't like these 2, but this is certainly not journalism!! What Stephen A.Smith and Skip Bayless do on ESPN is Yellow Journalism. Like I wrote before, I don't blame these 2 or ESPN for having a show like this..appealing to the lowest common denominator and acting the fool draws big ratings on TV and gets you a lot of social network mentions. I'm sure Skip and Stephen A get paid very well for doing this GARBAGE!!

Lets put it like this, would you call an athlete a disrespectful name if they were able to respond to you in a physical manner without legal repercussions? A lot of these athletes come from different worlds than most of these pencil pushers in the media. If you throw any kind of disrespect on their name they are ready to fight. Throughout history words have caused fights and wars. If you aren't ready to throw hands behind your words you should be careful about what you say. How do you avoid these conversations? Keep it about the X's and O's. If you played a bad game, you played a bad game. Call it for what it was. If it continues then follow suit and call a bad performance a bad performance. Skip got what he deserved from Jalen. The 1.4 ppg stat line will never be forgotten.

Jordan's career high is 69...so calling him Michelle equals 70???? Ummmmm

Those nick names were positive not negative