Skullflame Shield vs Petrified Lichen Guard | Farming Classic WoW TBC

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Hey guys Toyhouze here with my newest video: Skullflame Shield vs Petrified Lichen Guard | Farming Classic WoW TBC
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Hello everyone! My name is Toyhouze and a lot of people have been asking me lately about which shield is better - skullflame shield or petrified lichen shield for AOE protection paladins in TBC. So, I decided to put them to the test. By the end of this video, you’ll know which shield is better, and the answer might surprise you.
The first test is SM Armory. This is a common boosting instance so let’s try one run with Skull Flame Shield, then one with Petrified Lichen Guard. In both tests, I’m just walking through mobs, no auto-attacks, or spells used until they are all gathered or I’m forced to use abilities to prevent dying.
One thing I noticed right away when comparing the two is that while gathering up the mobs, Skull Flame Shield offered more survivability.
I’m able to gather all the mobs and start running back, whereas Petrified Lichen Guard I need to stop and use Figurine of the Colossus in order to survive.
We can see this by looking at Healing Per Second on the right-hand side of the screen. We can see the Skull Flame Shield’s Life Drain coming in handy as we gather mobs.
I think this is a really important thing to consider. As we’re gathering mobs up we also see flamestrikes going off behind us, and some mobs are actually dying. For boosting, this is something to consider.
If mobs are dying too far away, then those getting boosted aren’t getting that experience.
With Petrified Lichen Guard we see lots of mob getting poisoned, but not as many as you’d expect.
The reason between these differences is because Skull Flame Shield is upon getting hit, and Petrified Lichen Guard is upon block. Since you can’t block when getting hit from behind, these poison stacks are either when turning, or initially running through a mob while facing them.
This leads me to my first conclusion about the two items: Skull Flame Shield appears the better option while on the move.
But how do the two items compare when stationary?
As you can see, now that all mobs are gathered, petrified lichen guard is starting to proc like crazy, and the damage is really adding up.
And when we look at Skull Flame Shield while stationary, we’re getting what looks like no procs at all. Those Flamestrikes you see are being casted by the enemy, not the shield. We’re seeing no Flamestrike, and no Drain Life.
But lets not leave it at “looks like” and let’s dive into the data.
This is the recount detail summary of damage done while wearing the petrified lichen guard. Keep in mind this is from the start of the instance until it is cleared.
We can see Consecration does the most damage at 44.9%, Retribution Aura in second with 27.4%, Blessing of Sanctuary third at 6.3%, and Spore Cloud which is caused from petrified lichen guard at 6%.. Below that we see Darkmoon Card: Vengeance, The Felsteel Shield Spike, Immolation from Cloak of Flames, and Holy Shield. For the record I did this multiple times and the rankings were the same each time.
Now let’s take a look at Skull Flame Shields performance.
Like with the Sporeggar Shield, Consecration did the most at 31.4%, Then Retribution Aura at 19.7%, but then Flamestrike came in third at 17.4%, then Holy Shield at 6.2%, followed by melee striked, blessing of sanctuary, and Darkmoon Card: Vengeance.
Now this was where I was surprised. When I saw flamestrike come in at third at 17.4% damage, it started to seem like Skull Flame Shield was the better shield. It was better while gathering, and it seemed like once all mobs were gathered, they died at a proper pace as well.
And just to get an idea of how much healing drain life is doing, let’s look at healing done.
So, obviously we see Vigilance of the Colossus in first place at 61%. As you can see Figurine of the Colossus is incredible, and my top trinket pick. Then in second, Judgement of Light at 19.1% which I was using when all mobs were gathered. And then Drain life, at 10%, and Seal of Light at 9.2%. Not bad healing really.
So, at this point you may look at the data and say, yes it appears Skull Flame Shield is better after all, but not so fast.
We’ve yet to look at how Skull Flame Shield performs at both higher level instances, say Stratholme, and of course grinding non-elite level 70 mobs like the Demon Hunter Supplicants.
Let’s start with the demon hunter supplicants, a common aoe farm.
First up, the Petrified Lichen Guard.
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@matjee
@matjee 3 жыл бұрын
Best way for the lower lvl instance boosts is to start at the end of the instance and pull it towards the entrance, you only fight half of the way. Also you strafe while using skullflame for some passive healing from it and swap into PLG as soon as you start killing the mobs near the boostees. That way you have maximum sustain and kill speed while making sure the mobs dont die during the pull. Also another good idea is not to run Retri aura, until you get to the kill zone, to reduce the chance of any mob dying.
@Thamonis
@Thamonis 3 жыл бұрын
soo learn to strafe run, also private severs have weird spell coefficients.
@GreatLobster87
@GreatLobster87 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. Strafe running prevents getting hit from behind and improves survivability due to blocking while pulling.
@Joeluciusx
@Joeluciusx 3 жыл бұрын
Great video with in depth stat comparisons I like the extent you went thru to show this viability of both shields. I do want to mention that if you stack more spell power the drain life effect would be even stronger from skullflame shield possibly leading to a survival boost over a dmg boost from lichen guard.
@BackyardPvP
@BackyardPvP 3 жыл бұрын
this was just the video i was hoping to see, that is really good to know , tyvm
@Toyhouze
@Toyhouze 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped! yw!
@filipetedim
@filipetedim 3 жыл бұрын
Yo! Small thing to add, skullflame does heal *does not* proc from the back in classic wow, but does in most private realms.
@Drevilkitteh
@Drevilkitteh 3 жыл бұрын
I went into stocks on classic and let 10+ mobs hit me for 15 minutes. I could NOT get the heal to proc from the back. It would only proc when i faced the mobs.
@filipetedim
@filipetedim 3 жыл бұрын
@@Drevilkitteh yeah that's what I said, this has been well tested out too.
@mcflynnsreturn
@mcflynnsreturn 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it still procs for me while strafing though so they don't have to right in front of you, but I can also confirm redoubt will proc when getting hit from behind but no skullflame procs
@gioelecarratelli4593
@gioelecarratelli4593 3 жыл бұрын
@@mcflynnsreturn while strafing you can also dodge and block! with that I'd go for the moss shield
@BUTTERFLY-eo6ob
@BUTTERFLY-eo6ob 3 жыл бұрын
That was really well done gj!
@Priesmal
@Priesmal 3 жыл бұрын
What about gathering with Skullflame and then using the Petrified Lichen during the kill phase?
@hesketh7085
@hesketh7085 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you.
@TheNebulose
@TheNebulose 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome work. Try it with 3/3 PoJ and Sanc aura.
@BigZeekette
@BigZeekette 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree with this being strictly shield v shield, and would want a redo. Skullflame is great because it scales with SP and has synergy with demon forged breastplate (also scales with SP), dragonbreath chili (scales with SP) and oil of immolation (scales with SP) Lichen is great because it scales with your block value, and has synergy with dabiris enigma and that trink that has chance to proc on periodic effects. The two shields should be geared completely differently and this type of video is flawed from the start when only looking how how much dmg they can do. Skullflame is about gearing SP and regenerating lost HP threw demon forged and skullflame healing. Lichen is about taking as little dmg as possible and regenerating HP threw dabiris enigma every 2 minutes.
@SgfAlex
@SgfAlex 3 жыл бұрын
do you have a source for the claim that skullflame scales with in classic or tbc
@BigZeekette
@BigZeekette 3 жыл бұрын
@@SgfAlex myself, skullflames lifesteal scales with SP. Just the lifesteal aspect
@zach3018
@zach3018 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigZeekette Same, can confirm both Skullflame and Demon Forged both scale with SP in Classic. I want to know about TBC though.
@seda6968
@seda6968 3 жыл бұрын
@@zach3018 It still scales on tbc beta. Scaling is 100% of your SP.
@zach3018
@zach3018 3 жыл бұрын
@@seda6968 I hope it stays that way then, thank you!!
@XxXc4f2MaStAXxX
@XxXc4f2MaStAXxX 3 жыл бұрын
Nice in depth video. Was worried I'd have to shell out 500gold for a skullflame shield. It would be nice to have for lower boosting pulls, but I think I'll hold out until TBC!
@Apoxiosis
@Apoxiosis 3 жыл бұрын
if you havent done it yet, the epl quest that rewards you with the argent defender shield may be an alternative to buying SFS. it gets changed from 50% block chance to 250 block rating whch mitigates a ton of dmg
@DanielPereira-vc9ms
@DanielPereira-vc9ms 3 жыл бұрын
You also do not need to walk right into the enemy mobs to aggro them. As long as the enemies that are chasing you go near enough, they'll aggro. You'll take a bit less damage this way.
@crjm2001
@crjm2001 3 жыл бұрын
did someone ever tell you that you that sidestrafing while pulling gives you full mitigation?
@apl1393
@apl1393 3 жыл бұрын
Skullflame vs Argent defender testing please. With / without figurine.
@FuzioNda1337
@FuzioNda1337 3 жыл бұрын
worth noting is later stages when your max lvl and farming in tbc, you have more % block increasing its concistancy.
@maytch2176
@maytch2176 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think about Stygian Buckler when gathering up the mobs? 15% chance when hit to reduce their movement speed by 50%. Then you change to your damage shield when you're ready to consecrate.
@RowanokeWoW
@RowanokeWoW 3 жыл бұрын
Not great for pulling. The slow will make it easier for mobs to untether. Too much distance from you can make them reset themselves.
@Novawulf
@Novawulf 3 жыл бұрын
I've watched 2 of this guys videos, this one he incorrectly pulls mobs, letting them hit him in the back, the other he didn't know concecration isn't effected by the aoe cap... Why is he making guides on prot palas. Please do not waste your gold or time on skullflame and please strafe pull...
@crysosisback7115
@crysosisback7115 3 жыл бұрын
'cept if you bought it for not much during classic ... "whistle"
@jamesbaggett3655
@jamesbaggett3655 3 жыл бұрын
Would using much better survivability shield and just popping dbc and imo oil not be better? I'm talking a shield with higher armor etc.
@deaconsyxx322
@deaconsyxx322 3 жыл бұрын
How about using both? Skull flame to pull lower levels and then lichen for the kill phase?
@PerfectHighdra
@PerfectHighdra 3 жыл бұрын
I am not very familiar with TBC gear but one thing to consider that will increase the output of skullflame shield is to reduce your block rating to just below what the mobs are hitting for. If you fully block an attack you cannot proc chance on hit items, but if you can manipulate your block rating to receive a few points of damage when a block occurs, it will greatly increase the performance of skullflame shield. Like I said I am not familiar with TBC gear so I do not know if it is possible to do this.
@Bluellow
@Bluellow 3 жыл бұрын
shouldnt be just letting them hit you from the back. whether your tanking as a warrior or dungeon boosting/farming as a pally you always strafe to where you want to be.
@allmike8487
@allmike8487 3 жыл бұрын
Probably been said but why not strafe to avoid getting hit in the back?
@karelvalecka7653
@karelvalecka7653 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for this video bro :)
@Toyhouze
@Toyhouze 3 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks, glad you enjoyed. :)
@qrayz
@qrayz 3 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy. Thanks for all the nice Pala Guides, I guess is never wrong to have both shields. I would like to ask u. What u think is skull flame worth. I know prices can be different from realm to realm. But at all I would like to know what is a fair price 1000 to much? 800 okay? Never over 500? I could buy one for 900and I think about since a while.
@nullite4589
@nullite4589 3 жыл бұрын
So, on Classic, SFS has a 1:1 coefficient with sp on the lifesteal part. I don't know if that will continue into TBC classic. The fire damage proc does not scale with sp. It's also often paired with Demon Forged Breastplate which scales at 40%. What I want to know is whether or not those items will continue to scale in TBC.
@bmw_fantopdrives5501
@bmw_fantopdrives5501 3 жыл бұрын
They should. Beta soon, so we will see
@HatsonFGC
@HatsonFGC 3 жыл бұрын
On current classic, both the life steal and fire effect on SFS scale 100%. And they still do on the datamined TBC client.
@JD2973
@JD2973 3 жыл бұрын
Yo my pally brother. I'm curious if you could do an indepth guide on the Demon-forged breastplate. Im rocking skullflame + demonforged for my lvl 60 boosts. Curious if the chest is worth it in TBC.
@Toyhouze
@Toyhouze 3 жыл бұрын
I think once you can get Crystalforge chest it's better since most damage will be from consecrate. Plus, DFB only procs on hit I believe and for boosting I don't think you'll get hit a lot as a lvl 70
@AmorXcatalunya7
@AmorXcatalunya7 3 жыл бұрын
so, which one is better for stratholme?
@Sunsation01
@Sunsation01 3 жыл бұрын
Really good!
@Toyhouze
@Toyhouze 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much man!
@thomasdaniels6247
@thomasdaniels6247 3 жыл бұрын
Bro , I do SM armory 1 pulls now. @ 60 on a paladin Start from the rear of the dungeon by running to the end dodging the minions so you can bubble heal. (While they're still at the beggining and your running to then ) Because if they're following you they will get nuked if u have to bubble.
@sworlock
@sworlock 3 жыл бұрын
Is high warlords shield any good ?
@joehelland1635
@joehelland1635 3 жыл бұрын
You can two pull strath, its possible.
@Suyalus
@Suyalus 3 жыл бұрын
ahem. you normally don't pull while walking forwards. you walk backwards and therefore block most of the hits
@crjm2001
@crjm2001 3 жыл бұрын
or just side strafe
@Mixfix87
@Mixfix87 3 жыл бұрын
With the shields adding like ~10% damage, wouldn't it be almost as good or better to just find a really high armor epic shield with spelldamage?
@Suyalus
@Suyalus 3 жыл бұрын
i think a good T5 oder T6 shield would eventually work, too. but for the very start, get the petrified lichen
@Drevilkitteh
@Drevilkitteh 3 жыл бұрын
PLG is a decent starter shield with a spike on it. you should have at least Righteous Set, figurine of the Colossus and some block value/chance, you won't take enough damage to require the healing. consecration is you vast majority damage source. In a lower level dungeon, group it all up and consecrate away.
@joy_divide3105
@joy_divide3105 3 жыл бұрын
Someone said this below, but you wouldn't be running, weapon and shield sheathed while doing this. You'd be strafing so you block attacks while you pull.
@bryanJr8
@bryanJr8 3 жыл бұрын
if mobs are dying it's because you're pulling incorrectly.
@bobthebob6800
@bobthebob6800 3 жыл бұрын
You should make a video on aoe prot pally pre raid bis
@PhosphiaEU
@PhosphiaEU 3 жыл бұрын
In classic, doesn't flamestrike only proc on mobs infront of you? If you don't strafe pull it aint gonna do jack
@TheGrimmjow2
@TheGrimmjow2 3 жыл бұрын
What addon are you using to show your damage sources?
@Toyhouze
@Toyhouze 3 жыл бұрын
Recount
@Emilgod
@Emilgod 3 жыл бұрын
I think the shield is a beast at full pulls of low level dungeons where you are able to back tank 100+ mobs so your flamestrike can wipe them out in just a few seconds, other than that it seems pretty useless so realistically youre just saving some time at the end of pulls using skullflame over other shields
@Average1212
@Average1212 3 жыл бұрын
You are forgetting the biggest thing, Skullflame shield damage is split above 10 mobs in classic TBC, your damage and healing will be a fraction of what it is on Pservers.
@mattlang3696
@mattlang3696 3 жыл бұрын
I dont know, it does specify to all targets around you, guess well see.
@aadas4007
@aadas4007 3 жыл бұрын
Life steal healing isn't an AoE so the healing will be exactly the same (higher, his server uses wrong spell coefficients)
@joshuaford6520
@joshuaford6520 3 жыл бұрын
Also for boosting I don’t think just thorns damage kills gives loot or xp. You have to attack the mobs.
@seansaxon641
@seansaxon641 3 жыл бұрын
A r1 consecrate on the run fixed that. He didn't use it for testing purposes.
@misszerylvscompany1683
@misszerylvscompany1683 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is a year old but is either of these shields worth carrying into wrath, say utguarde keep xp farms ?
@Toyhouze
@Toyhouze 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say it is :)
@d0k0night
@d0k0night 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding Stratholme, DrKael can pull the entire instance in a single pull. Granted he has very good gear to do so with, but you can absolutely do huge pulls with your gear setup there.
@anubis9116
@anubis9116 3 жыл бұрын
With the way he pulls... he most likely cant
@BenderdickCumbersnatch
@BenderdickCumbersnatch 3 жыл бұрын
Haha anubis. That is true. This guy doesn't know how to pull mobs. He lets them hit him in the back constantly. No strafing. Doesn't face the mobs. Runs closely into mobs instead of letting them aggro via pathing. This video is terrible. And his advice about skullflame shield is wrong.
@BenderdickCumbersnatch
@BenderdickCumbersnatch 3 жыл бұрын
I also realized that this video was made on a private server. What an idiot. Comparing item effectiveness but doing it on a private server where all values are wrong. This guy's videos are literal misinformation and he is a terrible tank.
@Tagadarealty
@Tagadarealty 3 жыл бұрын
So, you take Pserv stats for make a Classic TBC comparison ? Generally all procs are broken on Pserv...
@WowAnonymousGuild
@WowAnonymousGuild 3 жыл бұрын
Drain life 32 procs heal 3300? Either you spell dmg is low or it doesn't scale 1:1. Heard of nerf but can't find it anywhere. Seen comments on wowhead into wotlk that it still scale 1:1.
@Calyxsys_
@Calyxsys_ 3 жыл бұрын
what about a level 70 shield that offers much more survival for the lvl 70 farm? does that stack up well at all in cases where survival is more important?
@bmw_fantopdrives5501
@bmw_fantopdrives5501 3 жыл бұрын
On the lvl 70mio farm that's probably bettter, with shield spike obv
@StrikerDeluxe
@StrikerDeluxe 3 жыл бұрын
highly depends on what you are farming. In case of normal mobs like the demon hunters or workers around the manaforges the lichen shield will do just fine. In a full block setup which you will run during these farms you reach shield block values which are higher than the mobs maximum hits - no need for an epic shield. The 5-6% total dmg means you get a free full pull every 20 pulls or just straight up 5% more gold however open world farming won't really be a thing since gold is entirely worthless in TBC past the first month. If you are ever in need of gold as a prot paladin with T4 gear just do strath pulls for 160g/hr in grey trash items. Vastly outperforms any other AoE farm in TBC exept if the kodo bug is still in the game :p
@bmw_fantopdrives5501
@bmw_fantopdrives5501 3 жыл бұрын
@@StrikerDeluxe kodo bug?
@StrikerDeluxe
@StrikerDeluxe 3 жыл бұрын
@@bmw_fantopdrives5501 you'll find out what it is a few weeks into TBC if it works if it doesn't you dont need to know ;D
@AkromaStrategy
@AkromaStrategy 3 жыл бұрын
Feels like this test isn't set up correctly, in your armory test you have spore cloud on both damage meters (don't know why it confuses me) and on your BT pulls, you didn't pull all the mobs with skullflame shield so less attacks against you lowers the proc rate of the shield. The pulls you are doing therefore aren't equivalent, but you can probably say that less mobs makes lichen guard better, while there is some theoretical breakpoint on number of enemies where skullflame starts to shine.
@Bilobilas
@Bilobilas 3 жыл бұрын
Try do with demon chest sp check how will preform.
@yakkamotogaming2656
@yakkamotogaming2656 3 жыл бұрын
comone man why would you pull without facing them .. thats just not the right way xD first of all you should strafe and make sure the mobs hit you from the front second you equip more block gear. you would be able to pull the entire SM without trinket heal and alot more damage from the shield at lvl 70. i can onepull the entire Cathedral at lvl 60 warrior with block gear
@SgfAlex
@SgfAlex 3 жыл бұрын
the testing methodology is faulty, this test needs to be redone using strafe running
@aadas4007
@aadas4007 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you took a data driven approach but I have some issues with this data. First off all, it's obviously just from a private server so the accuracy is fishy since none of the devs know for sure how often items proc. More importantly though is that either the server has very wrong formulas, or you itemized very poorly for the SKS pull. In SM you had 32 Drain Life procs and only healed for 3370 health. That's 105 health/damage the proc deals per trigger. It's known from classic that the coefficient on the shield is 1:1 with spellpower, meaning you only used 70 spellpower while performing this pull (or the private server data is off). It'll be very easy to get around 300+ spellpower with proper items on a paladin. With 300 SP and the same amount of procs, the life steal would've healed you for 10720HP and dealt the same amount of damage (~3% of total damage in your example). SKS is certainly bad without SP. The question remains if it's worth using on stuff like strat if you can gather 300+ SP. I believe so since the healing becomes pretty absurd.
@Jbrux86
@Jbrux86 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the video, but these numbers are inaccurate due to the improper pulling method. Most people that actually run these boosts will strafe run to provide better survivability let alone the procs to be considered differently at that point. Also correct Strat pulls will use strafe and blocking while doing the pull. In full T4 you should be able to do Strat in no more than 3 pulls with correct talents. Will be interested in seeing if sporeguard shield always outperforms when done correctly
@Drevilkitteh
@Drevilkitteh 3 жыл бұрын
Thank god someone gets it. A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
@Jaricko
@Jaricko 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes. The Hobbs way of pulling shields.
@downlowgo_401
@downlowgo_401 2 жыл бұрын
The life steal stacks with healing power. Amazing for a holy pally boosting. It heals me for 700 a proc
@SpaseAbuser
@SpaseAbuser 3 жыл бұрын
And what about Force Reactive Disk?
@theamazingfroboy
@theamazingfroboy 3 жыл бұрын
My guess is it would break halfway through any bigger pull like a proper Strat or SM pull. But before it did, it would do more damage then either of the other two options.
@johanmoller4263
@johanmoller4263 3 жыл бұрын
When i onepull cath i use the shield from strat UD and when i gatherd all i switch and it has a out 5-30 durability when im done. You should get like 10 and go repair after xD this is at lvl 60 classic warrior, if u have a lvl 70 paladin i guess you could do the pull twice
@SpaseAbuser
@SpaseAbuser 3 жыл бұрын
@@johanmoller4263 thank you)
@fatsquid90
@fatsquid90 3 жыл бұрын
The analysis was amazing. Can you make another video after adding the following to your gear set: Razer Gauntlets, Demon Chest, Essence of Pure Flame and fiery enchant on the weapon? At 70 for low level boosting is the "thorns effect" out paced by spell power damage. You have cape that's amazing, I don think I will ever get that thing.
@Apoxiosis
@Apoxiosis 3 жыл бұрын
so why did you aggro the front mobs and run to the back? as a lvl 70 you can easily avoid every mob and make it to the back of the dungeon, essentially reducig the damage you take before youre ready to kill by 50%. i dont see the first skullflame shield point as a strike against the shield overall though this reassures me on my decision to get a SFS. i watched some other dudes video who tested a rfc 1 pull and his SFS had 0 value but that was most likely because his shield block value exceeded the damage the mobs did to him + his other avoidance causing it not to proc. im def probably gonna have both shields, but im gonna hold onto my SFS
@yakkamotogaming2656
@yakkamotogaming2656 3 жыл бұрын
Sell it you will never use it, its worthless
@MrTankFodder
@MrTankFodder 3 жыл бұрын
SFS is not worth it at 70, i'd sell it now and cash in on the misinformation and get your lichen shield.
@BestOpinionHaver
@BestOpinionHaver 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't Essence of pure flame from Ragnaros be better than Darkmooncard for lowlvl aoe dungeon grinding? Atleast mathematically. DMC: 10% chance to do 95-116dmg (averages out at 9.5 - 11.6 dmg per hit) Essence of pure flame: raw 13dmg every hit always.
@johanmoller4263
@johanmoller4263 3 жыл бұрын
You dont want to take damage, and all those kind of item only works when u get struck in combat. You want to try to get 100% avoidance miss dodge parry block. Vendor skullflameshield and all your "when struck in combat" items
@linshu6141
@linshu6141 2 жыл бұрын
Guys... at the end we all want look bada$$ aren't we? Skullflame just looks 1000x better and don't turns you in a freaking beetle. For me it was clear i use skullflame from the beginning ...
@JDSLegend
@JDSLegend 3 жыл бұрын
Wrath of the Like King
@StandFirmStrikeHard3
@StandFirmStrikeHard3 2 жыл бұрын
Ive tried everything and tbh its so easy to do it doesnt really matter. For quality of life, skull flame is the best with 500+ spell damage becasue it heals 1/3 the colossus does. i dont even have to bubble or heal myself most pulls. But you dont need it
@deaconsyxx322
@deaconsyxx322 3 жыл бұрын
You said “Lichen” ❤️❤️❤️
@Simeonlol
@Simeonlol 3 жыл бұрын
If only skullflame shield ratio was boosted in private servers because on classic/tbc vanilla the ratio spellpwr was nerfed
@Levelity
@Levelity 3 жыл бұрын
So what your saying is “BOTH!”
@billroyjenkins1016
@billroyjenkins1016 3 жыл бұрын
Data from a majority of that is skewed and biased but hey
@Otaconsps
@Otaconsps 3 жыл бұрын
Ebbnflow made this video about 3 weeks ago.
@georgemn1476
@georgemn1476 3 жыл бұрын
Petrified Lichen Guard needs blocks to procc, yet you only have 27 holy shield hits when you used it vs 115 hits while using skullflame. This leads me to believe that you did not use holy shield on cd when testing PLG, which makes your comparison in sm pretty flawed. Also why are there 326 spore cloud procs when using skullflame?
@thomasedwards4315
@thomasedwards4315 3 жыл бұрын
You shouldnt start your pull at the front of the instances. Start at the end.
@lolpaladins
@lolpaladins 3 жыл бұрын
A big difference between private and retail is that a blocked hit on blizzard servers with high block value results in zero damage taken. I "believe" the opposite is happening on this server (block is applied prior to armor reduction), although it is hard to tell, you do seem to be losing a LOT of health even while wearing what I would have considered pretty decent block set. This would obviously significantly increases the value of block value (as well as block rating). For example, in my typical aoe tanking set 15 years ago I would have approximately 650 BV and close to passive 100% "avoidance".. I believe this has shifted the meta of private servers away from huge safe pulls like what occured in retail with passive damage coming from lichen guard and 2pc t5 (with corresponding talents) to high spell damage gearsets emphasizing a fast kill speed along with sanctity aura.
@ak-1271
@ak-1271 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have any knowledge if this "zero damage taken from a blockx applies to a fully-geared, aviodance-capped tank in Cataclysm?
@RoundOrangeball
@RoundOrangeball 3 жыл бұрын
@@ak-1271 If I recall correctly on retail in black morass I had a t6 geared pally in block gear with strength gems over 2k block so could fully block most mobs hits and pull all the trash in 3 pulls or so with a decent shammy healer. But holy shield charges would run out obviously with 50+ mobs on me. Also on Kologarn(ulduar) in wrath a pally could tank the 4-8 adds whatever it was without a healer because could block all hits with tier aprioriate gear stacking block. But this is going back some years so my memory could be a bit foggy on the numbers
@Moist_Capybara
@Moist_Capybara 3 жыл бұрын
So why not use SFS when on the move and the lichen while stationary? Use a macro to switch them out
@Drevilkitteh
@Drevilkitteh 3 жыл бұрын
Half the problem here is that he pulled the instance in the worst way possible. Second, SFS has crap healing compared to the Figurine of the Colossus trinket. Get a decent set of tanking gear with block value/chance, pull the whole armory, and spam consecration with SOW on.
@Moist_Capybara
@Moist_Capybara 3 жыл бұрын
@@Drevilkitteh not being an asshole here But how would you have pulled the instance?
@Drevilkitteh
@Drevilkitteh 3 жыл бұрын
@@Moist_Capybara starting at the very end of the instance at herod's room and pulling towards the courtyard. You can make it back there without aggroing any mobs. No reason to take hits all the way there and back. Also you would strafe pull so you can block and reduce damage and also because SFS doesn't proc from the back in classic.
@Moist_Capybara
@Moist_Capybara 3 жыл бұрын
@@Drevilkitteh yeah, that’s the same way how I would do it. I guess he is showing how someone with no skill would do it. Like the regular person wouldn’t think to pull all the wayforward
@unbekannt2898
@unbekannt2898 2 жыл бұрын
Not 1 rare spell power shields 61-66 in bcc.. that sucks
@jacquesbonhomme8198
@jacquesbonhomme8198 3 жыл бұрын
Just go ask Hobbs, he used both extensively for years
@Sylvieebean
@Sylvieebean 3 жыл бұрын
What about Argent Defender?
@Livingvapour
@Livingvapour 3 жыл бұрын
this just tells me you have to much block value, to get the maxium output of skullflame and demonforged breastplate, you want the average damage -1 as your block value, for example if something hits you for 120 after sanctuary and other reducing effects model your gear to have 119 block so you get HIT for 1 even after blocking which allows for every block to proc flamestrike and lifesteal, doing this will make skullflame shield consistantly provide 20%+ of your damage and provide upwards of 10k healing in an armory pull, (doing the pull the correct way more info provided all over the comment section on that) Sporegar is only better if you are full blocking things as at best 5 stacks it is 21 dps PER target that gets blocked 5 times, which takes atleast 10 seconds for that to happen since mobs attack roughly every 2 seconds. your ret aura will be doing anywhere from 30-50 damage everytime you are hit for 15-25 dps(less the more avoidance you get) I still think the best method to get the most out of PLG is to use the Ardent Defender and swap to PLG once you get the proc, for 22.7% block chance this allows for a lot faster stack application.
@Livingvapour
@Livingvapour 3 жыл бұрын
my only other comment would be this is private server data, we will have to see how your video stands up to the TBC BETA which we might be seeing some action come tuesday. Mar 16th
@matthewkeating6970
@matthewkeating6970 3 жыл бұрын
one is cheap other is 1k gold also arn't you soposed to straff so u block as running.
@Drevilkitteh
@Drevilkitteh 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, you should strafe instead of walk like this. Not taking damage > OMG it healed me a tony bit.
@Libbydd1
@Libbydd1 2 жыл бұрын
Is he keeping his back to the mobs intentionally, it's a very poor example of a pull when comparing the shields
@vercettirulz
@vercettirulz 3 жыл бұрын
I like
@smollgoodman4085
@smollgoodman4085 3 жыл бұрын
Straife run while blocking dude 100% better
@IRIP666I
@IRIP666I 3 жыл бұрын
These data are so corrupted. You can walk and block. Its called strafe-running and it is a technic all Palafarmer should use.
@toddal-kire5748
@toddal-kire5748 3 жыл бұрын
What about demon forged breastplate?
@Drevilkitteh
@Drevilkitteh 3 жыл бұрын
Raw stats and block chance/value >>>>>>>> 100x greater than the tiny heal from DFB
@robwilkes8112
@robwilkes8112 3 жыл бұрын
The conclusion is clear in regards to whether to use the Skullflame Shield or the Petrified Lichen Guard: use both. Use SFS on the move, then macro-swap to PLG to AoE the mobs down.
@woyermain7732
@woyermain7732 3 жыл бұрын
Argent defender gang
@benhauenstein8249
@benhauenstein8249 3 жыл бұрын
Decent video. But there is no need to read out everything that is shown on Screen. Sadly private Server research isn't worth anything because it isn't to be trusted.
@Boostamove2010
@Boostamove2010 3 жыл бұрын
Tl:dr get both
@Laganini22
@Laganini22 3 жыл бұрын
Demon Forged Breastplate is a GO
@skganno7771
@skganno7771 3 жыл бұрын
High Warlord's Shield Wall vs Petrified Lichen Guard - thats the real question :)
@jerrylacroix7682
@jerrylacroix7682 3 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone compare these 2 shields, they have 2 entirely different functions, you're not using SFS for AoE Damage, you're using it for the life steal. SFS gets replaced by Figurine of the Colossus, a trinket.
@Drevilkitteh
@Drevilkitteh 3 жыл бұрын
That and if you have decent tanking gear (like you should) and pull the mobs correctly, you don't need the healing. Bad paladins are going to follow this advice while wearing demon forged breastplate and be total crap at boosting.
@mcbain668
@mcbain668 2 жыл бұрын
Stupid question SFS is purple ffs of course it’s better 😂
@getcarried8116
@getcarried8116 3 жыл бұрын
skull flame only procs on being hit. Not dodge blocked or parried or missed. your Healing per second jumps super high because you are ass tanking half of the dungeon. AND YOU SHOULD NEVER BE ASS TANKING
@brothaleroy9275
@brothaleroy9275 3 жыл бұрын
like 90% of your dmg for aoe farming on pally is holy dmg fron con/holy shield, we don't even take avengers shield, such a crappy abilitiy in tbc, only good in wotlk, we opt for sanc aura insteead, ret aura is a meme, in tier 4 /tier 5 gear prot pally's clear much faster than any crappy meme reflect item pally with crappy aveng shield spec.
@Velethar1337
@Velethar1337 2 жыл бұрын
Strat test is a bit irrelevant tbh. In fact, there is a lot of running with mobs (especially pull #3 combined with #4 not even mentioning chads who whole whole church on living side) where Skullflame healing is literally lifesaver. Additionally, what are you even talking about if you are running test with retri aura XDDD I'm honestly afraid to ask what talents u use for these "tests"
@Naploosa
@Naploosa 2 жыл бұрын
So it took 10 minutes to tell that strafepull if bugshield, show back if fireshield. What a huge waste of time this video.
@findorbed
@findorbed 3 жыл бұрын
Come TBC I'm gonna make my money by being a bodyguard, hiding in the shadows and if someone dares attack my employer, they shall face the wrath of an under-geared Rogue.
@TheWoWisok
@TheWoWisok 3 жыл бұрын
I don't really trust this guy's opinion mainly because while he's getting slowed from hamstring he's not using hand of freedom or whatever it's called which would remove the slow I believe and also there's multiple videos online of people pulling pretty much half of the undead quarter with the same gear he's using interesting concept that he tested both of the shields but also on private servers they're not always accurate because they like to do their own changes to stuff too
@Toyhouze
@Toyhouze 3 жыл бұрын
if you use blessing of freedom you'll lose blessing of sanctuary which is critical for aoe pulls
@TheWoWisok
@TheWoWisok 3 жыл бұрын
@@Toyhouze couldn't you just put blessing of sanctuary back on after then probably better than getting wailed on by literally every mob but that's just my thought process I don't know I could be wrong. It's just that I've seen other people have videos on KZfaq where they're doing much larger polls without much issue then again it's KZfaq so they could just be not showing all of the tough parts or the times where they messed up or the times that they got dazed a crap ton.
@TheWoWisok
@TheWoWisok 3 жыл бұрын
@@Toyhouze I don't recall is it worth it at all to be an engineer to put down stuff like flame trap or to use a grenade on the mobs or does that also have an AOE cap and does basically no damage
@anubis9116
@anubis9116 3 жыл бұрын
Ummm... you should be strafing not run ing with ur back to them
@Toyhouze
@Toyhouze 3 жыл бұрын
you're right my b
@Fliptality
@Fliptality 3 жыл бұрын
just strafe man..... TLDR: Skullflame sucks. kthxbye
@EpicElmofo
@EpicElmofo 3 жыл бұрын
learn to strafe...
@yermawkrusha8961
@yermawkrusha8961 3 жыл бұрын
Insignificant damage from either shield. Why blow thousands of gold on SFS when Lichen is so cheap. You will go for a proper raid shield later on anyways.
@bmw_fantopdrives5501
@bmw_fantopdrives5501 3 жыл бұрын
I paid 120g for mine
@chickenrules1043
@chickenrules1043 2 жыл бұрын
You're comparing multiple run days together. You can't compare the same data as a percentage. Suggest you relook at this and run once with ONE should and then compare to a clean set of data with the other shield! See data you reference at 3.45 - data is Mixed.
@Xendrius
@Xendrius 3 жыл бұрын
Skullflame shield is way overrated, it only shines on a prot warrior because they have no insane aoe threat so they benefit from the procs.
@Livingvapour
@Livingvapour 3 жыл бұрын
Better to use FRD (force reactive disk) if you are gonna be a warrior. paired with Ardent Defender(procs 250 block rating 22.7% @ 70) then switching to FRD to just one shot the pull instantly with insane high block chance.
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