Skylark's Guide To Buying Cymbals

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11 жыл бұрын

Lee from Skylark Music Studios walks you through how to approach buying cymbals at the Drummer's Workshop in Mayford, UK. In this video, Lee considers which types of cymbal you want to be looking at for different genres and situations, and discusses the main things that you want to be listening and looking for in a cymbal. There's also a quick demo on how to hit cymbals to achieve the best possible sound, and some tips for buying on a budget.
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@erikfraunfelter3628 9 жыл бұрын

I think everyone has an idea in their head on what sound they are looking for out of cymbals. I'd say go to a store, check out each type of cymbal your looking for till you find one that suits the sound your looking for (or close to it). Find one as close as possible to the budget you have. I like Sabain and I go on their site as well as the Memphis Drum Shop to hear real examples of the cymbals to choose what works for me. And that process works great. Don't let anyone tell you what you should get. It's all personal preference + budget. I don't even pick cymbals based on genre. I pick cymbals I like the sound of.

@bigkitten875 7 жыл бұрын

That cymbal wall would look cool in an earthquake

@TheTechAndScience 6 жыл бұрын

Big Kitten it’d be the sound of the end

@gabescustoms3281 5 жыл бұрын

What do you fuckin mean bro

@petef8136 5 жыл бұрын

@@gabescustoms3281 I think he means if there were an earthquake, that wall of cymbals might be something you'd wanna look at 😉

@ralphbenites1819 5 жыл бұрын

Big Kitten and the sizzles

@calebreid4398 3 жыл бұрын

The sound tho

@BeauFerchaud 8 жыл бұрын

Has he been playing for 250 years?? 6:44

@commitdubs 8 жыл бұрын

+Beau Ferchaud He looks pretty good for his age

@bradencutright-head6629 8 жыл бұрын

Duh!! He hasn't

@BeauFerchaud 8 жыл бұрын

+Commit I was thinking the same thing. I'd basically be dust if I was 250 years old.

@___xyz___ 8 жыл бұрын

Holy cow! you're right, that must mean... *gasp! he must be really good

@alexanderkoronczay6153 8 жыл бұрын

he's my drum teacher if he is that experienced. but he might have a heart attack when i hit the crash

@tagusan8999 8 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who drools every time I see a wall of gorgeous, shiny cymbals?

@lukecovey8406 6 жыл бұрын

Tagu San Dude, it's such a tease...

@Cpayne30 6 жыл бұрын

Tagu San - I only drool when I see a wall of Paiste's...

@the_drummer_man6798 6 жыл бұрын

paiste sucks go with zildjin

@Cpayne30 6 жыл бұрын

Ben Vonk - well, that's your opinion.

@slipknotrules6662 6 жыл бұрын

Me too

@arniebaker2978 6 жыл бұрын

Dang, he ooks young for 270!

@Creatic58 4 жыл бұрын

Arnie Baker Man he’s my guitar teacher, his album first by opposite worlds shows him quite fit for his age

@jumbermonkey5420 10 жыл бұрын

250 years of drumming? XD

@everfree5569 6 жыл бұрын

OH MY GURD

@conorreedR2C 7 жыл бұрын

Hey mate. You're obviously very knowledgeable, so you must've just misspoke when you lumped Zildjian ZBT's into the brass cymbals around the 3:45 ish mark, as well as later in the video. ZBT's and ZXT's are made with B8 Bronze

@Ordinary-drummer 4 жыл бұрын

Wow Real life Dracula, he’s been playing drums over 250 years! Outstanding !!!!!

@TheAuralAffinity 10 жыл бұрын

Hell of a personal selection skylark.

@SkylarkMusicStudios 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate :) we shot this at the drums and percussion centre in Woking lat year www.drumsandpercussioncentre.co.uk/ John has a great selection of stuff. We're going back to do a snare guide soon!

@user-jg6bu2jx8y 7 жыл бұрын

SkylarkMusicStudios Gehee I went there like on Saturday I bought a kit

@adamtzsch 10 жыл бұрын

A very good general guide for the beginner/intermediate drummer. Great advice which I will take when shopping for my first "proper" cymbals :D

@KRAZEEIZATION 7 жыл бұрын

Good video. I've learned some valuable things from this!

@DrGray_Drummer 5 жыл бұрын

If ya got the bread, and really want a great cymbal set, the Paiste Signature series. 14 Sound Edge, 18 crash, 8 inch splash. I'll add a 24 inch 2002 ride, and 2002 20 inch crash. They cut through, and sing, with an amazing overtone

@15emo15luke15 9 жыл бұрын

Oh hey Lee! Nice to see the Drum workshop getting on KZfaq :D

@moskvamoya 10 жыл бұрын

Your video speaks to me! Thanks a lot!

@BeNeBgame 9 жыл бұрын

Welcome to Skylark Tonight.

@ajhardman5829 9 жыл бұрын

Loved that movie

@user-jg6bu2jx8y 7 жыл бұрын

Is that the drums and procession centre in Woking???? I bought a drum set from there???

@ralphbenites1819 5 жыл бұрын

That’s great video great advice very helpful

@stixkubwa 5 жыл бұрын

Oh dear. The cheapest but most necessary item which is hardly mentioned is the drumstick. The sound of the cymbal will vary greatly according to the type of stick deployed. The size, wood density, weight, the type of stick changes the tone incredibly. Just try your own ride using different stick types. I recently acquired a 20 inch Solar by Sabian, for £15 and experimenting with different sticks found it is very usable. Try try try and forget the hype.

@boomerguy9935 8 ай бұрын

Yes! I use different sets of sticks for the different venues I play. The venue may be large, small, jazz, pop and in a room that may be acoustically friendly or hostile with echoes bouncing around. My sets of sticks are grouped with my cymbal sets. The same sticks can vary with different cymbals and vice versa. There are so many variables involved AFTER you buy your cymbals.

@shanebrent2227 Жыл бұрын

Very informational thank you

@user-gq3pl7co6b 14 күн бұрын

I recent got back into drumming and got Sabians XSR's for the kit. Didn't care for them a bit. Discovered Dream Cymbals and after trying out some at the drum shop, swapped all the Sabians out for Dream Bliss cymbals. I actually prefer the sounds of the Bliss over Zildjians also.

@SkylarkMusicStudios 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks Charlie! More coming soon

@1878JackEFC 9 жыл бұрын

specific people's recommendations as well as my own experimentation gave me my set up. And now anyone who asks my advice i'd tell them what I've personally found out and compare based on what they play. It's all about doing your research and trying stuff out if you ask me

@dylanbaldwin7934 3 жыл бұрын

Ok I like the way thin big cymbals sound they have a nice wash that isnt piercing. Heavy small cymbals sound very high pitched and too piercing and sometimes glassy. I like to play a bit of everything and I'm a pretty hard hitter. I have cymbals I love now I try to play with correct technique but these cymbals have been played for years since I was a kid (17 now) and before that they were played by my dad for years in his drumming days. The crash ride and crash have cracked twice now i grinded out the cracks and they sound good but I feel they are brittle now and when I hit them decently hard to get them to their full wash watching them move and bend after I do it, it seems like the cymbals saying oooh shit hold on I'm getting brittle. It feels they are on their last stretch. I want to get something as good as I have. I'm looking at buying the A 391 set. It has medium ride that's crashable which I love and the cymbals are medium thin which seems perfect. I think once I get them I'll resort to the cymbals I have now for jazz or low volume settings and use the new ones for just about everything and when I want to play with more energy. Once I play a cybal I learn their maximum point when they will sound best and how hard to hit it to get it their and my cymbals are getting old and dont like staying in that area. I think a fresh set and really making sure my technique is right will make me more confident in that I wont break anything and that I will be able to get the sound I want with no worries. Sorry for the spam it sounded like you have it figured our I just wanted to see what feedback you might have

@jeziel739 6 жыл бұрын

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@crazybuttlazybutt6353 6 жыл бұрын

Good guide!

@charliemiller6766 10 жыл бұрын

Very helpful and inciteful

@JiSat 7 жыл бұрын

250 years, nice

@variancewithin 5 жыл бұрын

was that intro made with ez drum?

@Ash2i1 7 жыл бұрын

Awesome video man (Y)

@AcapRoseknightDrummer 9 жыл бұрын

already bought my cymbals...and only now i discovered this video haha bought myself sets of Zildjian K Custom Hybrid cymbals...its a good thing all of it sounds very nice to my ears...thanks for the advice anyway. will use this guide in case i'm buying my next sets of cymbals :)

@nathandrums0 8 жыл бұрын

Which hybrid cymbals do You have and which sizes?

@AcapRoseknightDrummer 8 жыл бұрын

14.25" hi-hats, 17" and 18" crash, 21" ride and 19" china.

@nathandrums0 8 жыл бұрын

Opinion on 17" crash and 14.25" hats? I'm looking to buy them but guitar center didn't have the 14.25" hats just the 17" crash, which I loved.

@AcapRoseknightDrummer 8 жыл бұрын

usually i used my 17" as my secondary crash, my main is 18" which i used for main rhythm during chorus. IMO, 17" has too much sustain in it. I would prefer something like a 16" fast crash as my secondary. 14.25" was awesome, i love the swashy-sizzling sound that it make. but if i was given the choice i would have chosen the standard K hi-hats rather than K Custom.

@nathandrums0 8 жыл бұрын

That's what I've heard about 17" crash, I tried the 19" and loved it, I would probably use the 19 or 18" as a main and like you said the 17" as a offhand crash

@dcb1138 7 жыл бұрын

"I've been playing for 250 years...and in that time I learned to hit the cymbal, with the stick". (thanks for that duce and half centurion tip).

@Lycosa 9 жыл бұрын

Nice, nice. Good tips, yup. I do also like what you like... I think I would buy a set of cymbals myself, probably.

@stephenbarker100 7 жыл бұрын

i have zildjian z custom 14 inch hats 16 and 18 in medium crash and 20 inch ride

@carapungo 8 жыл бұрын

you are right Tyler.

@curtishill109 4 жыл бұрын

👍 Useful!

@ambroulard 8 жыл бұрын

Do you believe in "Sets" of cymbals overall?? I personally don't-- that sort of thing never went on until relatively recently with improved cymbal technology- it makes more sense to me that you would pick from different groups of cymbals- as example, my main ride is dark and fairly dry and a more quiet cymbal- hammered thin but not lathed-- so my natural inclination is to find a brilliant louder higher pitched cymbal for a left hand ride crash------ but I definitely won't find those characteristics looking at the same series that my main ride is from-- and yet I see even Pro's using cymbals all in the same series...... are they doing this just as a way to promote their cymbal companies product I guess is my question-----

@boomerguy9935 8 ай бұрын

My cymbal sets are grouped according to the type of music I may be playing and the to the room I may be playing in. A dinner dance with full carpeting and a small dance floor will sound completely different from a giant banquet hall with extremely high ceilings, giant dance floor and varying acoustics. Each cymbal set will have its dedicated sticks. So many variables...

@fangg97 9 жыл бұрын

can anyone tell me what the cymbal is that is used commonly in rock choruses? It sounds similar to a crash but i think its a different one.

@alekjohnson321 9 жыл бұрын

I believe you're thinking of a crash ride. They're used quite frequently in breakdowns.

@mrjasonsbigtoe 9 жыл бұрын

You could also be thinking of a China

@isaintlikei4076 9 жыл бұрын

Batman Baker Rock songs mostly use a ride or a crash. If its metal music or something in that genre (EG: Post Hardcore) then its a really attacking crash or china.

@jonathanskirton1676 8 жыл бұрын

really helpful! :-)

@slugstory 2 жыл бұрын

thanks dad!!

@jannatinkarlen8702 3 жыл бұрын

Hit zildjian k for beginer. As a beginner, you may not hear the quality, but you will get it later, those cymbal are versatile enough. Maybe change the crash with other lighter stuff like meinl byzance extra thin hammered crash. Never buy lower or medium price range, NEVER! Better buy used than go cheap. There are many brand that sounds amazing, but save the adventure for later. Developing taste takes time

@Oils2flourishBrad 5 жыл бұрын

never buy a set of packaged cymbals. go into store, try them all. pick what you like.

@josemiguelcruz8158 4 жыл бұрын

Thats just an advice for beginners, but i guess you couldnt figure that out...

@J155P 4 жыл бұрын

@Patrick Sheeley Toxic

@xcy0n 3 жыл бұрын

You can save couple of hundred bucks by buying a set, especially as a first(!) starting point.

@commentmaster2597 3 жыл бұрын

Joe P is a hater

@dylanbaldwin7934 3 жыл бұрын

I think if your going to buy 700 dollars of cymbals or pricier they will let you try them out. I'm looking at buying the ziljan a391 box set once I get the money saved and I come I and show them the money I think they will let me try them out. They want to make their money

@arunk.7708 6 жыл бұрын

He has been playing for more than two centuries! 6.44

@faramolaadeniji6265 6 жыл бұрын

the cymbals look nice

@jacobwalker925 5 жыл бұрын

When it comes to cymbals I can only use high end. I dont even want to use b8 b10 b12 . I can deal with a mediocre kit, but cymbals. Nothing but the best.

@swabpocket_5034 4 жыл бұрын

Save some pussy for the rest of us

@Customwinder1 3 жыл бұрын

lol😂

@marcosc.b758 3 жыл бұрын

Dios esto es el cielo para todo baterista

@justinliverman4258 10 жыл бұрын

great vid make more like these!!!!!!

@SkylarkMusicStudios 10 жыл бұрын

Thinking of shooting a snare guide next week, good idea?

@dylanmarsh7115 10 жыл бұрын

SkylarkMusicStudios definitely!

@adamtzsch 10 жыл бұрын

Dylan Marsh I'd appreciate that too!

@israeljimenezdrums348 3 жыл бұрын

Cuantos platillos

@davehampsonofficial 6 жыл бұрын

Fucking hit something!!!!!!!

@AJMoreira137 6 жыл бұрын

I use a 14" thin b8x crash

@mihaidrums5 7 жыл бұрын

Istanbul Agop Xist cymbals are really cheap, but they sound 10 times better that Sabian B8 or Zildjian ZBT

@jefflyon2020 3 жыл бұрын

I hate zbt. B8pro. Camber and pst101 brass bullshit ear ringers. Buy old used 100dollar zildjian 18,19,and 20 inch medium to light rides and crashes. New bear hi hats on the budget side. If you got the cash paiste 2002,and 602 are. Nice. Sabian hhx and artisan legacy hand hammered and Turkish cymbals rule but 550 Bux a pop is to much unless I have a roadie every night at a sold out stadium with some famous musician. Splashes-NO. China-??? Be careful. 15 in hi hats?-why??

@greenlichtie1570 Жыл бұрын

There are unfortunately far too few shops around where you can actually do this and try before you buy Unfortunately most KZfaq demonstrations are EQ’d within an inch of their lives so you don’t always get a true reflection of the sound/tone/wash, etc

@theunionbeats1 7 жыл бұрын

hit the cymbals skylark

@bitflux2 7 жыл бұрын

i bought expensive awesome cymbals back in the day, and signature cymbals, they broke within months ALL almost, to this day i feel robbed and i think playing fresh new cymbals is a perk for the pros

@nathanglasgow5084 7 жыл бұрын

Heavy cymbals break faster if you hit them hard. Light ones flex with harder hits meaning the wont break as easily. All given you are hitting correctly

@jadodavo 6 жыл бұрын

My crash is a 15’’ paiste 2002

@SkylarkMusicStudios 10 жыл бұрын

Hey guys and girls - if you enjoyed this guide, why not check out our new snare shoot-out? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZamlpSYz7abhKM.html

@cmgambit23 5 жыл бұрын

250 years of drumming doesn't come easy... Especially if you're a fuckin dragon

@TheTeewolters 9 жыл бұрын

I use 2002 paistes 14" HH 20"22"24" Crashes with a 22" ride . i think its all preference .

@anitnec 9 жыл бұрын

Oh yes ! It's preference and also about quality in fact your cymbals, Paistes and Sabians are machine hammered with the human support and traditionaly hand-hammered , Zildjians are only machine hammered ;)

@TheTeewolters 9 жыл бұрын

Ive used every brand over the years but the last time i refit my set for a tour i went back to Paiste 2002 . I was using small 2002 crashes 12-18" Which were great for touring because they don't take up a lot of room and can take a serious beating . When i went back to the studio to record i was listening to an old led zeppelin album and loved the extended decay of Bonzo's big old cymbals . So i got to work and found the huge 22-24" 2002 paiste crashes . Ive never gone back to anything below an 18" :)

@damone70 9 жыл бұрын

anitnec Fucking ignorant statement, douche bag, "Zildjians are only machine hammered". Yeah, the zbt, zht line. K series hand hammered. Fucking idiot.

@tagusan8999 8 жыл бұрын

+Grey StateRocks Do you perhaps mean Bonham?

@sytsew 9 жыл бұрын

I clicked in this video hoping the image promised of sounds to be demonstrated. Instead, I got 14 minutes of talking about sounds... Helpful, but not the helpful I was looking for.

@marcomm7671 5 жыл бұрын

You should of got John in there

@Pro1938ftc3ch 3 жыл бұрын

At 0:10 that has to be the best cymbal

@conorolaf1762 4 жыл бұрын

He didn't say that he's 250 years old. He said that he's been playing drums for 250 years! So he's older than 250 years!

@guitardude1230 10 жыл бұрын

Zbt's aren't brass cymbals. B8 bronze. It is the Planet Z's that are brass.

@jeremyburd20021 10 жыл бұрын

100 sub and thanks

@SkylarkMusicStudios 10 жыл бұрын

No thank you! :)

@spanishcastlemagic1499 5 жыл бұрын

Man Goes Gym.

@joshraleigh6885 8 жыл бұрын

You could also break some cymbals

@JoeyRam. 3 жыл бұрын

He said 12 to 15 years playing.

@cruz5248 9 жыл бұрын

Hi, me.

@Nick-ld3zq 9 жыл бұрын

Did he just say he's been playing drums for about 250 years?

@jasondrew6369 4 жыл бұрын

May I recommend that he watches a video called "A Guide to Buying Shirts "

@jackcook9694 10 жыл бұрын

great vid but zildjian zbt is not brass its bronze, thts why its zbt...zildjian bronze technology!

@SkylarkMusicStudios 10 жыл бұрын

Correct you are sir! Our bad :)

@jackcook9694 10 жыл бұрын

don't worry, jus thought I would say, and im stuck for what cymbals to buy could you help

@johnhenrywilliams7546 10 жыл бұрын

Zildjian Brass Technology would also be ZBT...

@jackcook9694 10 жыл бұрын

John Henry Williams search in youtube zildjian zbt and click on the zildkian vid and he explains how its zildjian bronze technology

@drummingzombies 10 жыл бұрын

Jack Cook terrible cymbals either way

@OnafetsOradoD 6 жыл бұрын

I would never recommend a brass cymbal, really. I've never heard a nice brass cymbal. Unless we mean those small, thick hand cymbals one would use in Indian music. Buy used cymbals!

@richh9904 5 жыл бұрын

This is torture! hit the damm things.

@dam1106 4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, way too much talk, not enough playing...

@bernardthedon3483 5 жыл бұрын

Guide to buying cymbals: Buy Zildjian

@mattgoodwin953 8 жыл бұрын

Um Um Um Um

@jacobboothroyd9988 7 жыл бұрын

Starts talking about cymbals then goes straight into the actual drums it's self

@brandonbentley4413 6 жыл бұрын

ZBT',s are not brass.

@deepukshetrimayum7008 6 жыл бұрын

talkative

@MechaAkuma 7 жыл бұрын

*NEVER* buy from shops. Buy used.

@manuelboschetti427 6 жыл бұрын

never? why never? can´t why buy a new one through internet and be done with it?

@TheTechAndScience 6 жыл бұрын

If no one bought from shops there’d never be any cymbals to buy used

@otgtooffthegridtrailoutdoo9836 5 жыл бұрын

Nah, I don’t like if others banged my cymbals

@TheRetroPerspective 7 жыл бұрын

People who like thin cymbals are weird... =)

@ambientguitar6832 7 жыл бұрын

too many words

@Giambellindio 5 жыл бұрын

Parli troppo

@pasqualeaffatato 6 жыл бұрын

Wow, 250 years of drumming, you must be so tired

@jimmydelato 7 жыл бұрын

bla bla bla...

@maciej715 8 жыл бұрын

more playing less talking PLEASE

@carapungo 8 жыл бұрын

+maciej balaweder Exactly, just play.

@dirtmonkey_14h2 8 жыл бұрын

+carapungo uhhhh why should he be playin in an explanatory video..? I get if he was trying to show us how to play a groove or something lol. It is literally about picking cymbals. Doesn't require much playing.

@carapungo 8 жыл бұрын

+Tyler Rainey You are right Tyler, my bad.

@expressyourselfist 8 жыл бұрын

The worst approach was to talk 99% of the time.

@CraZedAnaRCHiSt89 10 жыл бұрын

to much talking! more hitting!

@lvvry1855 7 жыл бұрын

Holy crap. Talks for an hour and doesn't play the damn things!

@haydenpulchinski4836 10 жыл бұрын

This seemed kinda useless. I don't really agree with everything he said (especially about how to 'Correctly' hit a cymbal). His entire commentary was basically "If you buy paired cymbals... well then they'll all come to together." and "high-end cymbals are usually better sounding than low-end cymbals." Everything else was basically just his biased opinion.