Skyrim ٠ Citizens Reactions to Stormcloak Victory in Civil War ٠ Part 2

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TIMENG

2 жыл бұрын

In this video, I will show the reactions of the Citizens to the victory of the Stormcloak in the Civil War in Skyrim.
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Skyrim ٠ Citizens Reactions to Stormcloak Victory in Civil War ٠ Part 2

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@TIMENGGG
@TIMENGGG 2 жыл бұрын
💎 *Part 1 ------>* kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pZ-Iqtaq36i3YKc.html
@cesarquijano94
@cesarquijano94 2 жыл бұрын
I wish that during Season Unenending, there was a dialogue option to say: "If Alduin wins, you both fucking lose! Kiss and make up so I can go kill him!"
@saberzgaming7385
@saberzgaming7385 Жыл бұрын
🫡
@felynecomrade
@felynecomrade Жыл бұрын
That IS basically what Esbern says.
@realsteventalvinzvestial420
@realsteventalvinzvestial420 Жыл бұрын
Now that would be the best line in Elder Scrolls history ever!
@TaurusTheCrazyBull
@TaurusTheCrazyBull Жыл бұрын
"We want something for this" "What you get Is not having all of Nirn get eaten, so stop acting like children and agree to a temporary truce!" "...Point taken"
@cesarquijano94
@cesarquijano94 Жыл бұрын
@@TaurusTheCrazyBull OMG YES. PLEASE LET THAT BE THE DIALOGUE
@joaquindubini3681
@joaquindubini3681 2 жыл бұрын
My biggest fantasy is being able to take Paarthurnax and a whole army to dragons and burn down all of Altmer's domain, problem solved.
@felynecomrade
@felynecomrade Жыл бұрын
Paarthurnax would never agree to that.
@boliwijskisprzedawcakapucynek
@boliwijskisprzedawcakapucynek Жыл бұрын
@@felynecomrade Yeah that's unfortunate
@MADMETHOD
@MADMETHOD Жыл бұрын
@@boliwijskisprzedawcakapucynek Bend Will shout goes brrrrr
@realsteventalvinzvestial420
@realsteventalvinzvestial420 Жыл бұрын
How the Elder Scolls V Skyrim should have (really) ended:
@joshuakalor4410
@joshuakalor4410 Жыл бұрын
Same that would have been a much better storyline ending for the game
@izakireemsi2783
@izakireemsi2783 2 жыл бұрын
0:42 Frothar: I hope monsters come and eat you Me: Oh I'm sorry I ate a dragon for breakfast
@beegmaan3689
@beegmaan3689 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good roast mate
@koldfire7253
@koldfire7253 Жыл бұрын
There are monsters in Skyrim????? (other than dragons obviously). I seriously don't know which creature in Skyrim qualifies as a monster. Don't get me wrong, Oblivion did somewhat a good job in portraying monsters and animals separately (if you forget the fact that wolves and imps will disappear out of existence and suddenly bears will come out of their pocket dimensions). I roleplay as a hunter to get food in Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim but i never saw a creature thought "yeah, that's a monster". I guess a troll? Skyrim did a pretty good job on showcasing wildlife though. The deers, elks, sabrecats, mammoths, chaurus (i consider them insects despite looking straight from my nightmares) skeevers, spiders and ancient giant lizards with wings who'll try to kill me with slurs. Simple words, there's no minotaurs, ogres, imps, scamps, clannfears, daedroths (alright, they maybe daedras, but still they're missing) and random atronauchs are rare too (i've never seen a natural frost atronaut in Skyrim) And let's leave Morrowind aside, it's wildlife is special....
@izakireemsi2783
@izakireemsi2783 Жыл бұрын
@@koldfire7253 Does Werewolves/Werebears counts as Monsters? Vampires too, most prominently the Gargoyles?
@koldfire7253
@koldfire7253 Жыл бұрын
@@izakireemsi2783 just saw the wiki page for 'monsters' and yeah, they do, same for vampires and gargoyales However, i considered them diseased/infected because they can revert back (if the want) to humans Gargoyales are an exception because i took them and vanpires as undead (which is subcategory of momsters, but i saw them entirely different). Draugrs are undead too. Infact, i was surprised to see giants and falmer as monsters too. They're technically humanoids, and still share some human traits such as using tools and domesticating other animals. In all my days with having a kill count of 2300+ (yeah that's very low but i got the game only 2 months ago) i never thought i have found a monster in the game, while slaying the very same monsters
@Smiley0.1
@Smiley0.1 2 жыл бұрын
Most awkward basement ever.
@IAMELIPHAS
@IAMELIPHAS 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the mood whiplash down in the basement.
@maloinki6615
@maloinki6615 2 жыл бұрын
It'd be cool if Elder scrolls 6 was after Skyrim and the main quest was to defend whatever country you're in from the Altmer
@navegandoporlahistoria
@navegandoporlahistoria Жыл бұрын
Supposedly, in TES VI they'll show the canon resolution of the Skyrim Civil War.
@sneedfeedandseed2410
@sneedfeedandseed2410 Жыл бұрын
theres a mod called the second great war that does just that.
@asabovesobellow1676
@asabovesobellow1676 Жыл бұрын
@@sneedfeedandseed2410 also gives you the opportunity to be a member of the thalmor too
@JackVogel2024
@JackVogel2024 10 ай бұрын
"If he's grown infirm and is losing his wits, where does that leave the people" ....touché
@MercysNo.1
@MercysNo.1 2 жыл бұрын
I once made a quick save down there in Solitude and just went ham as a Vampire Lord on everyone down there. Then I reloaded my save file and walked away like nothing happened
@sakuranakamura1814
@sakuranakamura1814 2 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing but as a werewolf^^
@ComicKodi
@ComicKodi Жыл бұрын
I did this, but just with two followers and great swords. Inigo, Serana, and I had all of those Imperial simps on their knees.
@birdiementlegen226
@birdiementlegen226 2 жыл бұрын
0:45 But aren't wooden swords a thing in Skyrim?
@Polomance862
@Polomance862 2 жыл бұрын
A wooden sword and a real sword are two different weapons of lethality.
@birdiementlegen226
@birdiementlegen226 2 жыл бұрын
@@Polomance862 Yes, I'm pretty sure everybody knows that. Thanks for pointing that out. But the point is, he could've practiced with a wooden sword, so that he would know how to use a real sword when he eventually wields one when he's older. Because practicing with your fist does not translate to using a sword.
@shimozukachi5887
@shimozukachi5887 2 жыл бұрын
because the voiceline existed before heartfire
@Nobodyss21
@Nobodyss21 Жыл бұрын
Wooden sword is from hearthfire dlc
@bambblamb3734
@bambblamb3734 10 ай бұрын
Both swords can be broken enough to one shot Alduin
@silverblade357
@silverblade357 Жыл бұрын
I really don't want to betray Balgruuf... but I really, really, vehemently hate his kids!
@georgemercer402
@georgemercer402 2 жыл бұрын
I still feel torn between the two sides: On one hand, the empire needs to stand united in order to strike down the Aldmeri Dominion once and for all On the other hand, Skyrim is the only province in Tamriel I know of that'll give the Dominion the middle finger at every chance that comes The responses seen in all 3 make me happy as well as sad depending on who speaks and in what scenario-- if only Markarth and Riften were spared of the corrupted jarls.
@gabrielmontenegro9476
@gabrielmontenegro9476 Жыл бұрын
I don't think Ulfric would just do nothing if the Dominion tries to conquer Cyrodiil again. He will likely send troops to aid the Imperials to prevent the Thalmor from swallowing up one human realm at a time. However, if Hammerfell, Cyrodiil, Skyrim and High Rock united still lost the first war, I don't know what more hope is there. Ulfric fought in the Great War and lost, but still talks like Skyrim alone can totally take on the Dominion, even as he while he also admits that the Stormcloak rebellion cannot afford to have the people of Cyrodiil joining the civil war in mass if the emperor is killed.
@georgemercer402
@georgemercer402 Жыл бұрын
@@gabrielmontenegro9476 Maybe so, but I believe in the old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and I prefer to have the empire stay together since the Dominion (as far as I know) is too small to take on all of Tamriel with only Valenwood as their supporter; I don't know if the same thing can be said about Black Marsh and Elswyr though Hammerfell might only take in refugees upon round 2 beginning. EDIT: I completely forgot to factor in Morrowind when listing other providences
@saberzgaming7385
@saberzgaming7385 Жыл бұрын
In my personal opinion I think it would be better to have a coalition of sorts however that’s easier said than done. The nords are to prideful to see the possibility of an alliance, and the imperials are too intolerant of the nords to make peace agreements. Then there’s the dummer they don’t seem to care what happens so long as they keep it on their side of the fence. Then there’s the argonians and the An-Xileel who are at this point tired of all the other races. The redguards have probably had it up to here with the empire and the Bretons still serve the empire. then there’s the Orcs who have had Orsinium sacked so many times they much rather stay in small fortress than ever create a nation again. Then there’s the bosmer they don’t like the Aldermi dominion but they don’t like the empire either so that’s maybe if they can actually gather together for once. The odds are not in our favor
@georgemercer402
@georgemercer402 Жыл бұрын
@@saberzgaming7385 An excellent point there; too bad none of the NPCs share in my philosophy
@saberzgaming7385
@saberzgaming7385 Жыл бұрын
@@georgemercer402 who knows maybe in The elder scrolls game we’ll play as a foreign diplomat trying to round up all the races of tameriel for a fight, now wouldn’t that be something 😂
@juanfisi
@juanfisi 2 жыл бұрын
It is so silly to have them all in a room like that xD, not even ceparated rooms, not even cells. Just dump them there.
@DoomsdayR3sistance
@DoomsdayR3sistance Жыл бұрын
It would mean leaving a lot of dead space to have rooms for all 4 jarls and their assistants, in either Blue Palace or Windhelm. Perhaps they were going to do that originally in Blue Palace tho, not impossible that the space used for the Sheogorath quest might have been that; but they decided against it later and re-used it for Sheogorath.
@juanfisi
@juanfisi Жыл бұрын
@@DoomsdayR3sistance seems like a major overlook, it's not dead space it's part of the world building
@DoomsdayR3sistance
@DoomsdayR3sistance Жыл бұрын
@@juanfisi it's dead space in the blue palace if you're fighting for the Imperials and dead space in Windhelm if you're fighting for the Stormcloaks. It's not really world building, since that'd mean both sides knew they would lose and that the Jarls with their assistants would survive.
@juanfisi
@juanfisi Жыл бұрын
@@DoomsdayR3sistance But you can still visit those places no matter the faction, and again its world building. I never do the dark brotherhood quest, so I guess all their locations are dead space for me.
@DoomsdayR3sistance
@DoomsdayR3sistance Жыл бұрын
@@juanfisi When I say dead space,, I meant it's empty, not that it's unimportant. If you have a lot of rooms that are empty and nothing going on in them, doesn't mean they don't have lore but it does make them pointless to visit in the game world since there is nothing going on there.
@cherrycola4476
@cherrycola4476 Жыл бұрын
Empire simps when Stormcloaks say the thalmor are next: NO NO NOOOO! ONLY THE EMPIRE SAYD THAT!
@tinheart2853
@tinheart2853 Жыл бұрын
And don't forget about the dossier! You know, the one that says Ulfric is not willing to work with Thalmor and Stormcloak victory must be avoided at all costs
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
@@tinheart2853 It doesn't say that, lmfao.
@DarkOmegaMK2
@DarkOmegaMK2 Жыл бұрын
@@tinheart2853 I love how literally NO ONE understand what that memo actually says.
@tinheart2853
@tinheart2853 Жыл бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 it literally says that Stormcloaks victory has to be prevented (at least in polish version, but I doubt anyone could screw translation that much)
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
@@tinheart2853 There is a pretty big difference between ''a Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided'' and ''a Stormcloak victory must be avoided at all costs''.
@ForeverHeavyMetal00
@ForeverHeavyMetal00 2 жыл бұрын
this put a big smile on my face
@koldfire7253
@koldfire7253 Жыл бұрын
Otherthan dethroning Balgruuf. He was cool...
@Wand079
@Wand079 Жыл бұрын
You are a thalmor agent?
@POINT69.................
@POINT69................. 4 күн бұрын
​@@Wand079This video bring by the evles not the thalmor
@Mawnark
@Mawnark Жыл бұрын
I only side with Empire cause i'm a Barlgruuf simp.
@POINT69.................
@POINT69................. 4 күн бұрын
Ok imperial boy 👌😔
@il-vxrmntz-li
@il-vxrmntz-li Жыл бұрын
0:30 can anyone tell me where do you meet them? Please.
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
It's in the basement of the Blue Palace in Solitude.
@il-vxrmntz-li
@il-vxrmntz-li Жыл бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 thanks
@Sherrybirkin2012
@Sherrybirkin2012 4 ай бұрын
Long live the empire.
@POINT69.................
@POINT69................. 4 күн бұрын
Bro you misspelled
@Sherrybirkin2012
@Sherrybirkin2012 4 күн бұрын
@@POINT69................. Bc I swipe wen I text stuff
@POINT69.................
@POINT69................. 4 күн бұрын
@@Sherrybirkin2012 is your keyboard broken
@Sherrybirkin2012
@Sherrybirkin2012 4 күн бұрын
@@POINT69................. No??? It's perfectly fine.
@POINT69.................
@POINT69................. 4 күн бұрын
@@Sherrybirkin2012 okay I believe you
@tarheelpro87
@tarheelpro87 Жыл бұрын
Where were all the jarls at? Cause I thought after the stormcloaks take whiterun, balgruff would disappear from the game
@Strykerclass242
@Strykerclass242 Жыл бұрын
Nope! They all go to their respective capitals when their regions are captured by the enemy. Those loyal to the Empire go to Solitude, to the Blue Palace, and those loyal to the Stormcloaks go to Windhelm, to the Palace of the Kings.
@tarheelpro87
@tarheelpro87 Жыл бұрын
@@Strykerclass242 Ahh, thanks bro
@williamjacobs7865
@williamjacobs7865 Жыл бұрын
I didnt know this until like. My 3rd play through
@bearham
@bearham 11 ай бұрын
The problem I'm having (and would appreciate an honest explanation) is whether to join either the Empire or the Stormcloaks On one hand I understand the Stormcloak/Nord right to worship Talos, and that's fine with me because why not I don't like however that following my little understanding of the lore, with Ulfric winning the war, he wouldn't allow an Orc sneakthief assassin into the Stormcloaks (unless I'm probably wrong and he will) On the other hand I agree with the Empire generally being cool with all races and their decision to mutually truce with the Thalmor until Skyrim's civil war is resolved, to which the Empire and the Thalmor would continue the currently-paused/truced war. Can anyone explain which faction is truly the most deserving?
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 11 ай бұрын
Definitely the Empire. While the outlawing of Talos worship is bad, it was agreed to as a necessity for survival... And it wouldn't be enforced until Ulfric drew the Thalmor Justiciars to Skyrim. Even then, it will not be a permanent ban, as soon as the Empire goes to war again it would be lifted. The poverty and prejudice that Ulfric's rule would bring about would only get worse long before it gets better. Ulfric's treatment of the Dunmer and Argonians is not going to improve. Barring that, the Stormcloaks are barely capable of halting the worst the Empire has to toss their way. They're an inferior army and thus would be a worse choice for the war against the Dominion.
@knightmare1267
@knightmare1267 9 ай бұрын
The war is just a distraction posed by another enemy of the empire, the Thalmor, to weaken all of humanity, and eventually wipe them out. The best option would be a truce, but aside from that, the Empire is the only unified force that might stand a chance against their enemy.
@demiserofd
@demiserofd 6 ай бұрын
Here's how I see it; the Empire needs Skyrim to win for the Empire to survive. Counter-intuitive? Yes. But also true. The Empire allows the Thalmor to run rampant. Near Helgen is a massacred Talos shrine; there was no trial, no Imperial jurisdiction, just instant execution. And the Thalmor take a prominent member of an Imperial Territory and torture him to try to force a confession so they can take the rest of his family. Tullius doesn't care. That's what the Empire misses; they are being bled dry from within. Every day the Thalmor are allowed to operate inside, 'enforcing' the White-Gold Concordat, they only lose strength. The Empire is dying. If nothing changes, it will continue to die. But if the Stormcloaks win, that gets turned on its head. The Thalmor in Skyrim will be wiped out or driven out, and take a great blow to their strength, especially since they were secretly one of the ones who drove the start of the rebellion. The Empire can use their involvement as a justification to limit their power, which, combined with their losses in Skyrim, will heavily limit their influence within Cyrodiil. Plus, Skyrim will rapidly begin hostilities with the Thalmor, which will further tie up their resources, allowing the Empire to ACTUALLY rebuild. The key to the survival of the Empire is stopping the Thalmor, and a Stormcloak victory is unquestionably the worst outcome for the Thalmor. That's why I always pick the Stormcloaks.
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 3 ай бұрын
@@demiserofd The Thalmor literally state an Imperial victory harms them - an Imperial victory is unquestionably the worst outcome for the Thalmor. Stormcloaks, even with indirect aid from the Thalmor, can't even defeat Imperial militia.
@mermaidmimsy
@mermaidmimsy Жыл бұрын
Is it right to help imperial or stormcloak im confused I just want to make the best decision for Skyrim..
@sonicemitter6131
@sonicemitter6131 Жыл бұрын
That's the interesting part. There is no obvious choice of which is right. They're both grey options. You simply need to list out the possibilities and make a choice. Than do another playthrough for the other one.
@DoomsdayR3sistance
@DoomsdayR3sistance Жыл бұрын
Both sides are bad, the option is what is best, an Empire with Skyrim or Skyrim without the Empire. Generally speaking the former is the best option but this primarily comes down to Tullius and Rikke; Ignoring the Dragonborn (who could have gone either way), Tullius and Rikke are the best defence against the Thalmor. Ulfric has been repeatedly manipulated by the Thalmor but the Emperor is incompetent and out of his depth. Overall both the Stormcloaks and the Imperials have been involved in a few atrocities, like the Markarth Incident where Ulfric Stormcloak and Jarl Hrolfdir (Imperial) ethnically cleansed Markarth following recapturing the city, it was a brutal genocide. In truth the (canonical) Dragonborn probably chose neither side, or might even have assumed the title of Emperor (following the Dark Brotherhood quest line), since Dragonborns are usually the natural pick to be Emperor, it would re-unite Skyrim and the Empire anyway; it would have left Ulfric with no legitimate claim for high king and the empire would be led from Skyrim rather than the tenuous position that the Imperial City is in.
@RhysCallinan-ix5lg
@RhysCallinan-ix5lg Жыл бұрын
Honestly up to you. I chose Imperial but in reality you can choose whichever and then restart when finished. I'll always choose Imperials because I don't like the racist attitude of the Stormcloaks. I understand the racism towards elves, since the war and everything, but the lizard people? Forcing them to work outside the city on the docks? When they didn't do anything and the elves did yet get to have a quarter in the city for themselves?
@woahablankman570
@woahablankman570 Жыл бұрын
I usually go with the Empire, granted that a lot of people's lives are improved when the Stormcloaks are kicked out of the areas that they normally guard, and that the Empire is a more effectively strong force. Main issue is that with the Empire, they're against the Thalmor, but basically required to work with them or risk another war. Stormcloaks, why I mainly don't choose them, is that a lot of NPC's livelihoods are made worse by having Stormcloaks around in cities, but the worship of Talos being brought back is good for any true hearted Nord. Also giving the Thalmor a huge middle finger is a real power move. There's a lot more you can say about both, like how the Stormcloaks are technically why the Thalmor are in Skyrim enforcing the ban of worship on Talos, or that the Empire has the stupidest high ranking individuals, including Tullius, who specifically disrespects Nord culture and acts like he ha a reason to be an asshole to you, and the Legate at the VERY beginning of the game wants you axed when it's painfully obvious you're not with the Stormcloaks.
@boylesmono5764
@boylesmono5764 2 жыл бұрын
You guys should read the Markarth Incident.
@pancakes8670
@pancakes8670 Жыл бұрын
Ulfric making a soyjak face in the thumbnail is priceless
@uptown_rider8078
@uptown_rider8078 2 жыл бұрын
Skyrim belongs to the Nords!
@Homeminboss
@Homeminboss 2 жыл бұрын
the nords took over in skyrim, Skyrim is part of the Empire, and the empire is the only thing keeping the Elfs from taking over all of the land
@uptown_rider8078
@uptown_rider8078 2 жыл бұрын
@@Homeminboss I think the stromcloaks have a good chance against the dominion. Especially with alliances and other partnerships
@Homeminboss
@Homeminboss 2 жыл бұрын
@Krzysztof Prusakowski The stromcloaks, do have a few good points, the main two being the freedom of religion, and the right for women to be a guard, But, they are not experienced and don't like dark elfs and other non humans.
@Hotarubi-dono
@Hotarubi-dono 2 жыл бұрын
Y'all need to take a double chill pill, insulting each other for a game...
@Son_of_Thunder_2000
@Son_of_Thunder_2000 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hotarubi-dono game or not, someone who takes stuff seriously and still makes superficial research while insisting in debunked rethorics deserves to be insulted, because that si easily How the person deals with real life matters as well.
@keeganrupnik6156
@keeganrupnik6156 2 жыл бұрын
As galmar says he is to make sure the jarls are following orders this means that ulfric can order the jarls to make him high king therefore the moot will be illegitimate. When he fought torygg that was illegitimate because it was not a fair fight as ulfric used the the voice. The thalmor release ulfric during the Great War hoping he start a conflict they also secretly sent the stormclocks weapons. Ulfric has being nothing but their puppet. Tullius knows a second war with second war and knows the empire needs Skyrim and a United empire to defeat them.
@shanx9750
@shanx9750 2 жыл бұрын
Why using voice is illegitimate 😹,make a better script for comments 😹
@madara992
@madara992 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think using the shout was illegitimate I think it was because Ulfric just barged in unexpected and attacked guards and such . it’s pretty Weird tho that Solitude is such a highly secured area and yet Ulfric was abled to kill Torygg and escaped with like few dozen guards
@pianozebra7420
@pianozebra7420 2 жыл бұрын
Using the shout wasn’t illegitimate, that’s the way of the nords as they’ve said many times
@saekisadako2118
@saekisadako2118 2 жыл бұрын
yeah it's the same shit as bringing a pistol to a fist fight.
@TheCat_3
@TheCat_3 2 жыл бұрын
He isn't ordering them to make the anything, but the incentive to do so is big, The empire isn't going to do shit with skyrim, nords will likely remain hostile and only trying to win them over will be a waste. The war was beneficial to the elves, Ulfric leading Skyrim is not. Under stormcloak rule Skyrim will be more united and when the time comes they'll, or the empire, will be happy to join the fight against the elves.
@Tomoyuki473
@Tomoyuki473 Жыл бұрын
Better Idea. Go bring back Dagoth Ur and create a new empire that fully honors the 6th house and tribe unmourned instead of being a nord N’wah or a mongrel dog of the Empire.
@Nick-qf7vt
@Nick-qf7vt Жыл бұрын
One of the first things you see in the game is in Helgen Keep where you find an Imperial torture dungeon. To my knowledge, Stormcloaks don't have anything similar. Empire has quite a few, and there's the Thalmor one in Northwatch Keep. But I'm sure Imperial supporters will still say "iT's fOr thE gReAteR gOoD"
@isaac.xyzptlk
@isaac.xyzptlk Жыл бұрын
In war you use whatever way you can to gain an edge in battle even if it means torturing enemy’s soldier to gain information. Also Empire for life fuck the racist stormcloaks
@Nick-qf7vt
@Nick-qf7vt Жыл бұрын
@@isaac.xyzptlk "torture is ok, but racism? That's where I draw the line!"
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
Torture equipment can literally also be found in Stormcloak jails and Stormcloak-held forts...
@isaac.xyzptlk
@isaac.xyzptlk Жыл бұрын
@@Nick-qf7vt lmao yeah you got me
@filippomonaco2303
@filippomonaco2303 Жыл бұрын
Who cares
@mintz9782
@mintz9782 2 жыл бұрын
Everything is as it should be.
@renaldoawesomesauce1654
@renaldoawesomesauce1654 Жыл бұрын
Siding with Ulfric makes Skyrim join Hammerfell as the only two independent nations in Tamriel. Every other nation is either a vassal to the Elves.This victory in Skyrim will give heart to everyone else that they too can be free of Elven rule. If the Thalmor attack Skyrim, they will stand no chance. If the Redguards can fight off the Elves, then the Nords certainly can with the backing of the Dragonborn at their side. The Empire are nothing but cowards. For 26 years they've pussied out of fighting the Elves, and instead waste their manpower on their own allies. For what? To persecute them on behalf of the elves? If you side with the Empire you're literally a cuck for the Thalmor. If you believe the Thalmor cannot be beaten, you prove Ulfric's point all the same. If you think the Nords cannot beat the Thalmor,, I have no doubts a player led dragonborn who can literally freeze time will at the very least make that a pyric victory. Ultimately, it only stands to strengthen the Empire to let Skyrim go free.
@a.s.7936
@a.s.7936 Жыл бұрын
The Redguards beat the Elves with Imperial Legions that went "invalid" in order to legally be able to continue the fight and not harm the peace established after the Great War, in other words, without Imperial help, Hammerfell would've fallen. The Kajhit and the Wood Elves are willing subjects of the Thalmor. This means that the Stormcloaks would not create a domino effect that would topple the Aldmeri Dominion. On the plus side, the Aldmeri can now declare war on the Empire and not worry about its most bellicose region helping the Imperial, thus making the next Great War a mere pushover and it will establish Aldmeri Supremacy over Tamriel, with nothing but Skyrim left, which would assuredly fall on its own. It seems like your trump card will be that the Dragonborn intervenes, however the same can be said for the imperials. Your objection to the Empire is that it is weak and run by cowards. If only the Imperials had a Dragonborn too...
@renaldoawesomesauce1654
@renaldoawesomesauce1654 Жыл бұрын
@@a.s.7936 Just because the Redguards needed the Empire's help doesn't mean the Nords do. But more importantly this is literally my point. If the Empire would have just helped Skyrim fight back they could have won by simply working together. Especially if they bothered to bring Hammerfell back into the mix for another go at the Dominion, but this time with hardier resolve. Instead they just play the cowardly card and make up reasons for as to why they can't possibly beat the elves. Additionally, this isn't about making sure the Nords can "beat" the Elves all on their own. It's about draining the Elve's resources through attrition so the Empire can win in the long run. By wasting their own resources to fight the Dominion's wars for them, they're only helping the Elves. The best move for the Empire was to allow Skyrim to secede peacefully and tell the Dominion to go fight them if they really care that much. But instead they acted like fools and cowards and wound up killing a lot of their own people just to keep enforcing Dominion. They're pathetic.
@a.s.7936
@a.s.7936 Жыл бұрын
@@renaldoawesomesauce1654 It's not that the imperials don't want to work with the Nords against the Thalmor, it's quite the opposite. The Stormcloaks don't want to work with the Empire. Many Nords joined the Imperial side in the civil war and Skyrim already had a high degree of autonomy through the Jarl system. Simply put, Ulfric wants to deal with the Thalmor *on his own*. Telling the Dominion to "go fight them" is simply impossible geographically. The Empire sits between both the Aldmeri Dominion and Skyrim. To get to Skyrim, the Aldmeri Dominion would have to get through the Empire. With Skyrim seceded, the most war accustomed province and the province where many Imperial soldiers came from during the Great War, there is almost no chance the Empire can stop the Aldmeri invasion. Even if Skyrim is the most war accustomed province, it would not be able to defend itself against an Aldmeri invasion on it's own because of its sheer lack of resources, of which on the other hand the Aldmeri would be controlling the entire continent minus Skyrim. You seem to have a misconception about the Imperial plan, calling cowards, pathetic and whatnot. That's not the case. Up until the Stormcloak rebellion, the ban on Talos worship was not enforced. The Empire made its legions in Hammerfell invalid in order to help the Redguards fight the Aldmeri invasion. This means that the Empire weren't as faithful to the White-Gold Concordat as Stormcloaks like to pretend. You can also see with interactions with Imperials in Skyrim that the atmosphere in regards to the Thalmor is not one of subservience, but rather a boiling patience until they get to exact revenge on the Thalmor in the next great war, which is teased multiple times in Skyrim. Moreover, the Thalmor WANT the Stormcloaks to win. They even thought about freeing him while he was held at Helgen. Why would they want the Stormcloaks freed? I'll tell you what. Losing resources temporarily is much more profitable than losing them permanently. The Thalmor saw this as a win win situation, they can keep the chaos in Skyrim through a prolonged civil war, or, the Stormcloaks can win the civil war and the Aldmeris got a much weakened Empire to deal with now.
@renaldoawesomesauce1654
@renaldoawesomesauce1654 Жыл бұрын
@@a.s.7936 They persecuted them for over 20 years... The Storrmcloaks fought along side the empire during the war against the Thalmor, and allowed themselves to be religiously persecuted for 20 fucking years before they finally got sick and tired of it. No nation needs 20 years to rebuild their armies. If you were to look at Rome for example, they lost over 20% of their male population in a single day, and replenished their armies within the month to defeat Hannibal. The Empire simply doesn't have the will to fight because the Imperials aren't the ones being persecuted. The Nords are. So why serve an Empire that doesn't care about you? The Nords deserve better than that and if the option is between fighting with them and killing them off I'll gladly fight with them because at least I'm fighting for something good.
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
@@renaldoawesomesauce1654 Your comparison to Rome is invalid because Rome didn't make use of professional armies at the time - they literally used citizen-based armies. You're also incredibly naive if you believe only the Nords are being persecuted, lmfao.
@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer
@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer Жыл бұрын
I don’t feel 100% comfortable with them, but I do prioritize sovereignty and independence over membership in a overarching empire
@mausolus8466
@mausolus8466 Жыл бұрын
Same here, wouldn't summarize it better myself
@blu7384
@blu7384 Жыл бұрын
Brainwashed short-sighted Stormcloak detected
@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer
@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer Жыл бұрын
@@blu7384 Milk drinking faithless imperial detected
@mausolus8466
@mausolus8466 Жыл бұрын
@@blu7384 Always so funny to hear Imperial-lover calling someone "brainwashashed"
@savagetv6460
@savagetv6460 Жыл бұрын
And when the thalmor wipe out all of tamriel, you can at least say you were independent as the elves murder your children
@Nina9835
@Nina9835 2 жыл бұрын
The Happy Ending
@joewas2225
@joewas2225 2 жыл бұрын
The bad ending*
@surgdexillongvideoedition6235
@surgdexillongvideoedition6235 2 жыл бұрын
@@joewas2225 The good ending
@arathhunter
@arathhunter 2 жыл бұрын
Just like a classic story, after the ending things won't likely go well for everyone in the end.
@lavallanchannel3668
@lavallanchannel3668 Жыл бұрын
@@surgdexillongvideoedition6235 the best ending
@RhysCallinan-ix5lg
@RhysCallinan-ix5lg Жыл бұрын
The "every human will die" ending.
@matthewskinner6626
@matthewskinner6626 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Ulfric understands that the Thalmor are the bigger enemy and that as High King, he will actively take the fight to them unlike the Empire, is the biggest reason why I chose to fight for the Stormcloaks. He's clearly the best hope for Skyrim, maybe even all of Tamriel.
@yodasgirl4280
@yodasgirl4280 Жыл бұрын
Did you hear the way Tullius talks. He basically tells you the Empire is making ready for another war against the elves after Skyrim is back on its feet
@matthewskinner6626
@matthewskinner6626 Жыл бұрын
@@yodasgirl4280 Yeah, but they aren't doing anything now, are they? Right now, Nords are being dragged off and killed by the Thalmor. Meanwhile the Legion lets them have their own headquarters right in Solitude.
@yodasgirl4280
@yodasgirl4280 Жыл бұрын
@@matthewskinner6626 And the Stormcloaks are going to fight them alone? That's a great way to have Ulfric sign the next peace treaty outlawing Talos
@matthewskinner6626
@matthewskinner6626 Жыл бұрын
@@yodasgirl4280 Except Ulfric wouldn't sign a peace treaty because he isn't a coward. And if Hammerfell can hold out against the elves for 30 YEARS while the Empire twittles its thumbs, i don't see why Skyrim can't do the same.
@tefky7964
@tefky7964 Жыл бұрын
@@matthewskinner6626 Empire is bad for not declaring war before they are ready? How terrible! Ulfric declaring war and getting totaly slapped by Dominion is so much more heroic. Same with Ulfric not taking peace like the Empire did, because he isn't a coward... The Empire wouldn't be able to stop another invasion, how is being conquered thanks to not taking peace a good thing? But sure, Ulfric isn't a coward, whole Empire would be occupied, but he isn't a coward, great.
@surgdexillongvideoedition6235
@surgdexillongvideoedition6235 2 жыл бұрын
The good ending
@mrelius5149
@mrelius5149 2 жыл бұрын
If you are racist and just stupid enough to ignore the thalmor threat
@Theroamingbeaver
@Theroamingbeaver 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrelius5149 true
@xtrmskullcrush3441
@xtrmskullcrush3441 2 жыл бұрын
Virgin Empire/Stormcloak fans Vs. Chad Altmer supremacy enjoyers. Change my mind.
@mrelius5149
@mrelius5149 2 жыл бұрын
@@xtrmskullcrush3441 Chad Dunmer vs Virgins propert…Argonians
@XX-ku7dn
@XX-ku7dn 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrelius5149 there are only two racist people in windhelm and it's right when you first enter the city and that's what made a bad impression ulfric isn't racist, neither is the stormcloaks. You act like the stormcloaks can't put up a fight with the thalmor maybe dragon born will help in the other war
@SrChr778
@SrChr778 2 жыл бұрын
Galmar and Ulfric gravely underestimate the tenacity of the Thalmor. For starters, what makes them think they *won't* be on the defensive? And that the Thalmor won't systematically assassinate Ulfric's new Jarls & officers through their duplicitous means? Or the most obvious, invade Skyrim in earnest now? They're at SERIOUS strategical disadvantage. Forces stretched thin, troops decimated during the war, supplies would be bare minimum after all the fighting... Heck, those two even delude themselves that they think they can survive a direct assault on the Summerset Ilses... that's just suicide. In short, the so-called victory they fought for would be very short lived. Though the biggest injustice of all, is that Ulfric's war crimes in Markarth have gone nearly forgotten. "The Bear of Markarth", a book you can find just about anywhere if you're clever. And you heard what Ulfric said about leading all of Tamriel, he's gotten so ambitious he thinks he can conquer the entire continent, like Tiber Septim. But he's no Tiber Septim.
@piccoloblack69
@piccoloblack69 2 жыл бұрын
I think he wants to spearhead an assault on the Summerset Isles, maybe make alliances with other provinces, maybe. But his only possible allies would be the people of Hammerfell. The only other one I could see willing to help him would be the Vallenwood. I also don't think Elswyr or Morrowwind would be willing to help.
@james739123
@james739123 Жыл бұрын
@@piccoloblack69 some houses on High-Rock might want to join the cause
@piccoloblack69
@piccoloblack69 Жыл бұрын
@@james739123 Too many hills to send messengers to. I joke, but isn't High-Rock always having little squabbles amongst their nobility? I don't know much about that Province's lore.
@james739123
@james739123 Жыл бұрын
@@piccoloblack69 That's purity much it, not sure how many houses in charge there are in the 4th era but they all have their own agenda
@piccoloblack69
@piccoloblack69 Жыл бұрын
@@james739123 I predict here and now that ES6's DLC will be about High-Rock and you siding with a certain family. One of the families wants to stay loyal to the empire. One doesn't. And if Ulfric won in-lore, there'd be a family rooting for invading the Summerset Isles.
@RJinthematrix
@RJinthematrix Жыл бұрын
stormcloaks wear red hats
@leekent3587
@leekent3587 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure if you go to the market area theirs literally 2 elves working some stalls and not being attacked by the local nords or anything...i think one of em is called Niranye who is a High Elf, she mentions that she worked hard and earned the respect of the nords...not sure about the other elf, who is a dunmer, but either way... It shows that the nords aren't entirely prejudice, it just they don't want to see people who they took in as "slacking" off and actually working hard to earn their keep... I think its like if i moved to another country, i wouldn't sit idly by and do nothing, i would wanna help out the country i've moved too by getting a job and such, i think in the end it works both ways and your always going to get "bad eggs" on both sides of the Stormcloaks & Imperials...even if your dragonborn, you could be any of the races and you can state that skyrim is your home more than a nords and they'll respect you for that...even if its part of the quest-line i think nords just don't like seeing slackers who don't help out...and see those not helping out and such as not caring.. I get why the dark elf woman who was being verbally abused says its not their "fight", sure i agree but at the same time...they not making their situation any better, if they did help out those that took em in, perhaps they wouldn't be targeted...i think its like the nords seem to think the dark elves are acting ungratefully... i would feel the same way...if someone helps you out...you'd wanna pay em back properly , or at least show that you appreciate it.
@davidpayne697
@davidpayne697 Жыл бұрын
Tell that to Rolff...
@unknownindividual6323
@unknownindividual6323 Жыл бұрын
Argonians work hard but because they ain't nords they only get paid half of what they earned. The smith near the whiterun gate is losing money because barely anyone is buying her stuff because she ain't a nord. That's sounds pretty racist to me.
@unknownindividual6323
@unknownindividual6323 Жыл бұрын
They prioritize Nords over other races in the stormcloak controlled Skyrim even though many races are citizens in that country. That also sounds pretty racist to me.
@unknownindividual6323
@unknownindividual6323 Жыл бұрын
Dunmer definitely could better themselves, the fact they have their own quarter and even an island gifted to them by the nords is pretty nice of them.
@unknownindividual6323
@unknownindividual6323 Жыл бұрын
@@davidpayne697 Rolff isn't wrong about two things though, a dunmer is working with the imperials and they are refusing to help the stormcloaks even though they should know that helping would give them the respect they need to make their lives better.
@Raubabbau
@Raubabbau 2 жыл бұрын
Always a Stormcloak. Here are a few counter-arguments to the usual allegations. Uh racism: The arguably racist region is undoubtedly Reach. The Bretons are under general suspicion of being terrorists and are therefore treated like dirt by the non-Bretons. And Reach is pro-empire. The worst racism I've seen in Windhelm is those two idiots when you first enter the town. I see all sorts of non-Northerns there who are not treated as badly as the Bretons. The Dunmer are mistreated by their countrymen for working with the Nords. Otherwise you only hear moaning from the gray quarters and the docks, little willingness to cooperate and revenge actions such as thefts. If things were that bad in Windhelm, Haalufarm would have a north owner. Apart from the fact that the empire has made a shameful peace with the elven equivalent of the third empire and is watching quite passively as the Altmerss murder their way through the provinces. And General Tulius' cosmopolitanism and knowledge of Nord culture is exemplary. Uh, Ulfric the Thalmor agent. The dossier doesn't say he's a bonded agent, he's useful to them. But there is no evidence of further cooperation. "Only the Empire can defeat the Dominion." Well, it didn't work the first time, did it? And the tactics of the Empire are always the same, retreat and abandon the provinces for the good of Cyrodiil. Offends the non-imperial citizens first and their homeland is sacrificed for the good of the imperial home by imperial commanders. By "imperial" in this context I mean ethnicity. However, Cyrodiil cannot be held against the Dominion. From the south across the Nieben, a navy can sail to the capital and seal it off or shell it and finally conquer it. A widespread invasion is possible on the Gold Coast and realistic since the Summerset Islands are relatively close. A land invasion is possible from ally Elsweyr and Valenwood and the necessary infrastructure can be created there. Again, an Imperial force would have to be divided or surrounded. On top of that, Cyrodiil is wonderfully easy to traverse. Hammerfell has already successfully waged war against the Dominion, and alone. I can't tell if Galmar's fantasies are realistic as they are purely hypothetical, including what happens after solitude. But let's look at Skyrim's defenses. It is surrounded by large expanses of ice to the north. The routes to neighboring provinces are through narrow mountain passes, and no direct neighbor is allied with the Dominion, even from Cyrodiil one would have to cross the mountains. In Reach, the Forsworn are already showing how to wage a Gurellia War. Probably the only pleasant battlegrounds are Riften and Falkreath, the latter being densely forested and mountainous. Whiterun is important as a center, but you would have to get there first, that is, from the north after a long journey and cold weather with the appropriate supplies, or from the south through mountains and forests. There are enough opportunities for the Gurellia war through these. Open end. I can understand the Stormcloaks, Non-Nords have only had a negative impact on Skyrim since the Great War and the Oblivion Crisis. The empire has made a shameful peace that has unleashed mass murderers and destroyers of culture on their homeland.
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
The Reach is de facto ruled by the Silver-Bloods, who are Stormcloak supporters. As for Windhelm, Ulfric has literally implemented racial segregation, his guards don't care for non-Nords, and Ulfric can't be bothered to listen to the problems of his citizens if they aren't a Nord. Ulfric's past collaboration with the Thalmor is canon. Not a discussion, it's fact. From the end of the Great War up until his arrest at Markarth he worked alongside them. Your claims that the Empire abandons the provinces for Cyrodiil are without basis.
@engineergaming5016
@engineergaming5016 Жыл бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 based nordchads don’t need any soyperials to btfo piss elves
@professor.cheekclapper6999
@professor.cheekclapper6999 Жыл бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 bruh, no. The reach is owned by the Imperials, and if you wanna be a smartass, then the rift is de facto owned by the imperials with maven black briar. Ulfric and Galmar have both stated they don’t care for your race as long as you fight for skyrims independence and you can prove it by going up to them and asking as a non nord race. Even as a nord they ask why a foreigner wants to fight for Skyrim. Windhelm was not segregated by Ulfric, there was almost no room for anyone when the refugees arrived, and there still barely is any room. Not only that but the racial tensions between the nords, Dunmer and argonians are especially bad. And the last people who should be crying about racism is dark elves, if you played Morrowind or read the lore you’d know that. Ulfric isn’t a thalmor agent, it’s not “fact” and I don’t know why you are getting so heated, it’s not a fact, in the dossier it says “uncooperative and hostile” and that a Stormcloak victory is to also be avoided. So before you say dumb shit, Remember there will always be someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Or at least argue less aggressively
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
@@professor.cheekclapper6999 I said the Reach is de facto owned by the Silver-Bloods because they quite literally own the guardforce, own a ton of property, and even are capable of using the Forsworn for their agenda and then using mercenaries to illegally occupy settlements. And yes, the Rift is de facto owned by Maven, not a soul alive denies that. But unlike the Silver-Bloods, Maven actually has a collaborator in the court, whereas in Markarth the court itself isn't influenced by the Silver-Bloods. Ulfric only doesn't care about your race because he knows we survived Helgen (or knows we're Dragonborn). Galmar does care about our race. Eight of the ten races are asked why their race wants to fight for Skyrim, with Galmar elaborating that he's not looking for sellswords. They aren't treated the same way a Nord or Imperial born in Skyrim would be treated. Galmar literally sends us off to kill an ice wraith, expecting us to never return. Galmar doubting the intentions of a foreigner is a valid concern; why would someone not from Skyrim care about it? Galmar doubting the intentions of people's race, however, regardless of whether or not they are from Skyrim, is not a valid concern. Windhelm was segregated by Ulfric. He literally wrote a decree which forced the Argonians out. The Dunmer are, similarly, not allowed to live outside the Gray Quarter. Which is why you won't find a single Dunmer having a house outside of the Gray Quarter. Your race-based stereotype doesn't make your argument valid. Your implication that the Dunmer are all a hive mind and must think the way most Dunmer of Vvardenfell did says more about you than it does them. Ulfric's collaboration with the Thalmor after the Great War is not a discussion. It is a fact. He was assigned as an asset to Elenwen during the Great War, the Thalmor established direct and cooperative contact with him, and he started proving his worth as an asset. In particular during the Markarth Incident (where Ulfric demanded free Talos worship while the Talos ban wasn't even enforced) where he paved the way for the Thalmor to send in their Justiciars. He only became uncooperative and dormant to the Thalmor after they demanded his arrest at Markarth. It is abundantly clear that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
@josebruzualdelgado3849
@josebruzualdelgado3849 Жыл бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 Ulfric didn't cooperate for the Thalmor, he was manipulated under torture. He is considered an asset, not a collaborator (Meaning in this context, an asset is something useful for their cause, a collaborator willingly contributes with them). And like the Dossier says (Which most pro-imperials ignore when talking about the subject), the Thalmor DOESN'T WANT a Stormcloak victory either. Regarding the issue with the dark elves, it wasn't Ulfric's decision to have them live there; it was the decision of the High King in the early 4th era. He did kept the Argonians outside the city, but that was to prevent them (The dark elves and argonians) from killing each other. After all, Dark elves are enslaving the argonians, while the argonians are raiding Morrowind Pro-Imperials always twist the lore for their own benefit.
@juantony
@juantony Жыл бұрын
There’s more Imperial supporters, than the support of the Stormcloaks. Which states that we made a ignorant and arrogant decision to Skyrim.
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
People tend to start off as Stormcloaks, then learn the lore and switch sides to the Empire.
@juantony
@juantony Жыл бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 Exactly.
@Theroamingbeaver
@Theroamingbeaver 2 жыл бұрын
This is why the imperials are better than the stormcloaks
@Theroamingbeaver
@Theroamingbeaver 2 жыл бұрын
@Krzysztof Prusakowski if your trying to say the stormcloaks are better than imperials just no
@saekisadako2118
@saekisadako2118 2 жыл бұрын
@Krzysztof Prusakowski those things are different. stop watching tv.
@TheCat_3
@TheCat_3 2 жыл бұрын
@Krzysztof Prusakowski I'm in support for stormcloaks but comparing it to real events just isn't right man
@saekisadako2118
@saekisadako2118 2 жыл бұрын
@Krzysztof Prusakowski the empire isn't weak and even the thalmor is afraid of them lol. the problem is that the half of skyrim is against ulfric and it has been a part of the empire unlike the whole ukraine and most of their jarls support the empire to make people's life easier. the empire didn't enforce the ban and let the nords worship their god but then ulfric started working with elenven and brought the thalmor in skyrim. they actually don't wanna do that and that's why there are people with different opinions in every hold of the empire and even tullius says that the stormcloaks can go home and not to mention even under brunwulf people of windhelm can still worship talos. those things are different because the empire brings money instead.
@mintz9782
@mintz9782 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah no.
@leonwendker3610
@leonwendker3610 Жыл бұрын
Man...i hate Ulfric. He still thinks every Elf is evil. Tbh, i will never do the civil war quest. Im more for the Empire, but i will not complete any quest for the Civil War shit. I would just let them be and thats it.
@db4517
@db4517 Жыл бұрын
Anything against the thalmor is good for me so stormcloaks all the way
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
The Thalmor state an Imperial victory harms them though.
@knightmare1267
@knightmare1267 9 ай бұрын
Not like Skyrim alone would be able to beat all the Thalmor, especially since the empire is licking its wounds, and the Redguards are busy guarding their front.
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