Justin Conquerbeard yep that was where i finally started crying omg

I believe that was actually a Sixo quote

@@bb-fk9wd yes, it was Sixo who said that for his Thirty - mile woman.

Justin Conquerbeard I think I agree. Just reading that line makes me cry

The greatest commentary on true love, real love

Nobody cares.

I care

Good for you, Stan, good for you.

is a clock work orange a good book cuz that was my favorite book that people say is good

Damnit stan

yes, and then how Paul D. refuses to recognize it as a tree because he would not corrupt the image of goodness they represented for him, which was so interesting as well.

Cassandra S. That’s a really interesting thought!!

Her attempts to find the beauty in her trauma

“Beloved” gave me a similar reaction to “The Handmaid’s Tale”. I felt like I was going to throw up. I felt like I was going to cry. I felt unclean. Did I play even the tiniest part of something like this? I wanted to apologize to someone-anyone. “Words will never hurt me”, indeed.

@@corwin32 No, you don't need to apologize. You didn't do anything wrong.

How did you cause it?

What the hell are you talking about?!

Oh my it's bill wurtz

eyyyy bill wurtz

bill wurtz you could make a religion out of crash course

bill wurtz agreed

Iain Hansen agreed

Wow, it really is the same guy. I thought you were just kidding.

Same here

I had the opposite experience, ha ha. I thought John Green was just an author, until I found this KZfaq channel!

@@vinceknox4425 same here man

anything you wanna talk about man? how you feelin.

Lovely

I understand how u feel, love, compassion and brilliance cures our existential depression.

Me too man.

3 years late, but yeah, me too.

Mom status: hugged

The ending as described actually sounds quite hopeful. Crash Course is putting too many books on my to-read list.

TheFireflyGrave holy crap nuggets dude you following me

Sounds pretty horrifying

Garner*

What? How can you compare human creation vs what happened in the past? History isn't art, it's a recounting of events.

***** I think you are still in high school or not a major in any of two, History or Literature. Let me first give you a background why I believe this. I do have a major in History (and Law). Once inside any college studying history you will have to read some authors and schools of tought. What you say about history is one of the biggest falacies. History is not a recounting of past events. That is impossible. You can't go back in time. Just read anything past Annales school. Since I believe you are anglo saxon (or more inclined to english based authors) I'd recommend you Hayden White. He is not a historian, but a literary professor who talks about history and literature. Literature contrary to history can be inflamatory and do blatantly defenses of a political stance. If you do the same thing in a history paper you might be (and problably will) acused of being an ideologist. A person whose writings exist solely to defend a world view. Case in point Neil Fergunson or Samuel P. Huntington (the later being a economist). You say literature does not contain history in you line of though. Well you are wrong again. Just read Moby Dick or the new sensation Game of Thrones. Literature just does not have the same method and take on the source that history does. George RR Martin can right about medieval history, english medieval because whenever any american think about this time it is just about the english exp. However contrary to Jacques Le Goff, Martin is not as bound to facts and method as Le Goff. In fact more and more historians are turning to different sources other than the document to write history. Literature from that time is one way to understand history. Also everything which uses human labor is humam creation including history. There is no definitive book of History, No definitive chapter in human history. Just as pratice in historiography (the history of writing history) if you are still in high school, go to your high school library and ask for any old history book. Now compare to what you are reading today. Some topics will have a very different take. Topics like Imperialism, Great Depression, Cold War and they will not include time periods like World post Cold War and War on Terror. This is to show history is not recounting of past events, but something else.

Anderson Andrighi I see no reason why you seek to categorize my person for sake of comprehending my level of understanding. You misinterpret me and put words in my mouth. When did I say literature does not contain history? I agree with all of the things you have responded with but the fact is they are all irrelevant. Obviously history is more than a recounting of past events. But on the base level, I felt like explaining you were comparing apples and oranges, perhaps due to the simplicity and frankness of your original statement. You did not present me with the ideas contained in your reply in your original posting, so I see not why you chastise me for not responding to what you had not written. You said, "literature is more revolutionare, pervasive and tought provoking than history will ever be." You did not say, "literature is a more revolutionare, pervasive and tought provoking look into the past than history will ever be" Again, in your original statement, apples and oranges. For some reason you thought I could not understand the correlation between literature and history and how each can contain the other and threw recommendations at me. Please do not be so assumptuous in future. I said history is not art. As in, history at its most basic conception (recorded events) is not art. Obviously, a literary historic epic, is both art and history (to be taken with a grain of salt).

literature is always derivative compared to history

It's literary fiction, perhaps closer to psychological perspective and style to Faulkner. If you ever pick up Absalom Absalom you'll know what I mean. Both Morrison and Faulkner were poets in their own right, and their writing style reflects the content of the novel. It's not easy to read because it's not an easy story. I hope you give it another try.

Whoa. I definitely meant to type “Medea,” not “Madea”. (Dang you Tyler Perry! lol!)

Mechum22 thank you so much for taking the time to make this comment. Two years later I will now be pursuing further education based on your words

Have you read The Testaments? It’s painful because it’s all happening now. I'm supposed to talk about Beloved by Toni Morrison during our next book club zoom meeting and I don’t want to do it. Not because I haven't started it and we're discussing in a week but because EVERYONE is white in my book club. 1 member has police brothers so she always, without fail sides with the police officers. And they will never understand what it means to be racially profiled. To be asked to see id when you're walking down the street, to be treated as less than human because of pigment of skin. They will not value the depth of discussing slavery because it means they would have to acknowledge their white entitlement and the shameful past of this country. It seems pointless to discuss a book that will go in 1 ear and out the other. Being the only poc in a group can be really limiting.

Actually there was a part in the book where Stamp Paid thought beloved was a runaway sex slave who killed the master.

okay this should be the top comment.

I know its an old comment but... kinda? I mean I don't think anyone has ever argued that Beloved was just, like, a product of Sethe's psychosis or something, which would be a weird argument to make given the events of the novel.

Yes, but it's almost the opposite of that. Most people in-universe see Hobbes as Calvin's imaginary friend- so unreal- but the reader is left to wonder if he might actually be a real tiger. However, most people in-universe see Beloved as a real girl, but the reader is left to wonder if she might actually be an unreal ghost.

then stay away from Roots. you might not make it through the acknowledgments.

Haha I just read finished it and although it was depressing, it is important to read. It really does kidnap you and throw you into their world and it makes you want to be a better human at the end .

You should read it. It's completely worth it. But yes, some parts are hard to read and at many parts t in the book, I was wondering what horrible thing was going to happen.

There is a movie about it, it wasn't very good IMO because the novel is so complex it cannot be translated into film

Bethany Yeah, agreed. This is really one of the great American novels, so it's too bad it was made into a film that's just...okay. For one thing I think Oprah (who produced it) would have been smart to cast someone other than herself as Sethe. She wasn't awful but that role needs a really powerful actor. (Thandie Newton killed it as Beloved though.)

They took so many things out the movie such as the cow raping and when some men pshed her down and sucked the milk out of her breasts for her new born it would be too graphic

@@Ble33334 the movie did show the scene where she pushed down and had milk sucked from her breasts

***** Feel free to back that up with a literary arguments.