This added 100 ft to my throw in 2 attempts. I overthrew EVERYTHING. My arm doesn't hurt anymore... Thanks man.

This might be the best explanation of backhand timing on KZfaq. Keep it up man, so many people struggle to understand this concept.

I appreciate the language you’re using here. So many people when trying to teach use the common buzz words (pull, reach back, explode, rotate etc.) but they aren’t describing how it actually feels to execute it so their words have no meaning and it doesn’t translate well to the learner.

Wow. Such an undertated video. I speak from recent experience in saying this is true. Just went from 300 to 415ft in 1 day just a few weeks ago after I figured out hownto keep my arm lose. All my throws felt powerful but I was only getting just over 300 ft.... them boom, I tried it once to see and I threw 400. Tried again and got a 403. Disc after disc over 400ft... it was like a light bulb had turned on. Immediate distance. "Pull like you're starting a lawn mower" , "rip the disc", "explode out of the power pocket", "pulling in a straight line will increase power"....we have all heard these on the course and on youtube, even from some pros. While these have truths in them, they are rarely taken as they should be and end up hurting new players. But you managed to debunk some of these myths.. Keep up these videos. Break those disc golf myths man. Save people time, injury, and frustration. Great video dude, great job.

I’m the prototypical stocky white boy with no hips. I’ve been doing the “starting the lawnmower” pull through and trying to figure out how to engage my hips. This makes so much sense. It’s not about how many times you try it nor how many times someone explains it. Sometimes it just takes 1 really good explanation to click. This makes soooo much sense!

You just made more sense out of it all than any single pro ever has.

I've been throwing 300 ft for a while now, been playing about a year. I don't practice a lot, and I'm ok with that - it's for fun. But after watching this and changing my mental model of the throw, I went and played a casual round and threw a 413 ft drive. The concept of a loose arm and treating it like a whip is MONEY ! Hats-off for figuring that out.

Dude!! Thank you!! I've been playing 32 years(im 51). I've got lots of physical issues, including a broken throwing shoulder(major cartilage damage). I watched this video last night, and incorporated it into my game, today. Went from 200ft to 250 consistently. And my shoulder doesn't hurt!!! My shoulder always hurts after a round. Have a sub and and upvote.

My jaw is on the floor. I am so glad this video came up on my recommended page! This makes so much sense

Dude! Update! I haven't played disc golf on a course in a month. First throw trying the "noodle arm" and I ACED. LET'S GOO!!! Your video has made my form feel better than it's ever felt. Smooth, controlled and absolutely smashing shots. Can't thank you enough

Holy cow! I’m a senior so I lack the arm strength to pull. And the whip was always emphasized on the snap of the wrist. I’m out the door to give this a go. Makes so much sense!

You brought a tear to my eye bro!! You have unleashed the secret that has been hidden for years, lol. Great coaching 👊🥏

I started golfing 9 years ago at 57 years old and to this point, at 66- I’d come to accept that 275’ was as far a consistent shot I could muster. I happened upon this video and got a little excited and I went out and tried to apply as much as I could…and Holy Cow!! My drives are regularly 300’ to 325’!!!! I’ve always thought my arm was too week to throw anything faster than a 9 speed, but now I am excited to attempt faster discs. THANK YOU!THANK YOU!

Oh man..... Throwing for my 13th year now and what a week! Got my first ace finally and was so excited I couldn't sleep. Ended up finding this tutorial and hit the field the next day. Finally broke the 400' barrier with a 410' drive! Still got some work to do to clean up my transfer but what a week! Thanks for the form help!

This makes sense! I was standstilling a bit today, and thought about it, that you can break the standstill throw into 4 parts. 1) Rotating slightly forward to get motion, serving the disc a little bit forward 2) reachback 3) getting the disc back into the pocket 4) releasing the disc out of the pocket And i realised, 4 happens AUTOMATICALLY. From now, im gonna focus more on reachback and how i use my hips/legs to get the disc into the pocket, because as i wrote...#4 happens automatically

Love it. People need to quit telling beginners to reach back and pull through. Makes no sense

5:32 This drill is so money. This is the best explanation I've seen when it come building the intuition of hip drive and arm lag. I'm going to recommend this video as often as I can.

ive been applying your teachings for the past two days and i definitely had that ah ha! moment multiple times where all my body motion is finally get through into my arm. sorry this is long but this teaching of the backhand form is absolutely spot on and i think mislead or down right taught wrong by so many people. every disc golfer needs this. please everyone stop teaching the "pull"! i feel like ive been lied to for my 2 years of disc golfing. again thank you so much for really wanting to explain and share your knowledge i can tell you have put in a lot of effort to articulate.

This is the single most helpful video I’ve ever watched in disc golf. I literally threw 100 feet further in one day. All I can say is thanks.

Understanding the difference between dynamic and static stretching is HUGE! I played two sports in college and the same principles of stretching apply to this video. Knowing how to stay loose the right way is a game-changer!

it's genuinely amazing to me how much hitting in baseball translates directly to driving in disc golf.

This video is spot on my friend! As a predominant FH player, I struggled BH for years and would rarely use it - I could never achieve good distance no matter how hard I "pulled" or "threw" the disc or how many videos I watched about the x-step, timing, reach back, weight shift, etc. Then just recently through pure dumb luck while doing some field work, I stumbled upon this same idea of keeping my arm loose like a noodle and letting it whip across my body very similar to what you explain in this video - presto - it worked and felt way more natural! I couldn't believe it - I gained significant distance and actually felt like I wasn't working as hard. I wish someone had explained this to me long ago. Now on the tee pad, I tell myself stuff like "stay loose - turn - don't throw" as a reminder. And...I'll keep watching your videos to improve my form as mine still sucks. Thank you!

This is a great explanation and really helped me. I switched from club golf to disc golf about a year ago. There are so many similarities in the 2 golf games. I am a 5 handicap in club golf. To get any distance in golf, you have to stay relaxed and let the big muscles do the work (legs, abs, etc.). This creates a lag in the golf club head which results in a whip action that greatly increases the club head speed. What he is explaining is actually the same thing. Using this method, you create arm lag and a whipping action which greatly increases release speed. Thanks so much for this video!!!

Wow, it’s been so long that I’ve clicked on a KZfaq video where someone skips the typical “What’s up guys?! Welcome back to *inserts channel name*” and gets right to the explanation. Subbed. Keep it up man.

FANTASTIC content. Looking forward to watching all your videos. You have a gift for explaining form and this is much needed in the disc golf community.

As someone who usually tops out at about 250-270 feet, and have been playing for about 16 years now, if this is finally the video that makes everything click, I'll climb to the highest mountain and scream my praises for you. Seriously though, I've watch I dunno.....I've lost track......probably hundreds of videos on YT on how to increase distance, proper form, selecting the right discs, etc. Some videos never really click with me mentally, I'll watch it and nothing really seems revolutionary to me. Sometimes I'll watch a video and it'll immediately make me wanna grab my disc bag and head to the nearest course, convinced that what I just saw would finally solve all my problems, only to still find myself still stuck throwing under 300 feet. After watching your video, the first thing that caught my attention was when you were talking about how it's impossible to swing your arm quickly if you keep it firm and locked. I've always felt like that's one thing I have a huge issue with.......my arm always feels tensed up when I throw. I've always had issues with gripping things too tightly, but in my mind I always thought I was supposed to keep a pretty firm grip on the disc all the way up to the release, so I've never really thought about changing this aspect. I definitely don't feel like my arm is loose like a noodle when I'm throwing.....I feel like I have to keep my arm perfectly straight, at least until I draw my arm back. So yeah, that very well could be at the root of my problem, my arm being relatively rigid and tense instead of keeping it loose and trying to whip it. I watch some of these guys throw and it blows my mind how smooth and effortless their deliveries are and they get massive distance. I've always excelled at throwing when it comes to anything from a baseball to a football, even a bowling ball. I've always been able to throw balls far and with velocity, and with disc golf I've NEVER been able to do either! It's always frustrated me and I watch all these videos, and I've put in the time, put in the practice, and I don't throw any farther than when I first started playing almost 2 decades ago. The problem isn't that I haven't put forth the practice and effort......its that I haven't been using proper techniques when practicing so instead I've just been drilling in bad habits for a long time. I almost wish I had a reset button and I could forget all my experiences throwing disc golf and wipe the slate clean, and then watch this video as my introduction to the sport instead of trying to unlearn all my bad habits and techniques. I'm going to try my best to throw in the next day or 2, and I will 100% focus on trying to keep my arm loose. I have a feeling it'll be easier said than done. Maybe I can take a muscle relaxer lol

I think the worst advice I took was starting the lawn mower idea. I understand the hand has to be the tip of the whip, and that the hips drive it, but my arm always wants to take control and start the lawn mower. Maybe I'll try setting the disc on a wall and try to completely relax the arm, not even keep it level with my deltoid, and see if I can noodle the arm and drive it. Good video, thanks.

Thank you for your videos. This one made a ton of sense and explains why my shoulder has been hurting. Can't wait to practice this

I was able to add another 50-75 ft on top of the 100 I gained from this video. I use my non throwing hand and hook just one finger under the back of the disc very loosely. As I'm moving my throwing arm forward I use a little resistance with the hooked finger by pulling slightly backward. When the force of your throwing arm becomes greater than the resisting arm it will naturally break free (dont try to let go with the back hand, it will break free on it's own if your holding it right). That exact moment of breaking the rear grip will add more force to your drive and push the disc further. Works for me everytime

This is great stuff. I'm convinced that when many pros complete their reach back, their wrist is up with the disc tilted up, then they relax their arm completely when they rip and their wrist actually falls naturally in that time to flat as they sling.

Best channel by far and I love that you don’t try to be funny and have other clips of stupid shit interrupting your tutorials.

Have to say it again ,the single most important YT clip/tutorial for my own progress in discgolf,Big Thanks.

"Learning to Lag" is my new favorite expression.

About to get a net and practice this through the winter you’re the best! This explanation is so well said!

I stopped pulling from the reachback 8 months ago and got more distance by letting the hips get me into the pocket and then focused on the towel drill to create acceleration and started throwing 350 feet at will on the course and sometimes 400+ and occasionally 450+ with a big run up. But in general the bigger my run up the worse my throw and I know that something is fundamentally wrong with my sequencing and I'm capable of throwing 500+. In this video you're describing the unlearning of much of what got me where I am, and I am so ready and excited!!

After watching, I tried this slingshot thing the next chance I got. And man does it ever work! I feel likeI finally found that “thing” that I’d been looking for for a while now. Now I finally know what I need to work on (looser arm, better stride/plant, using my abs more). I had more control of my 12 and 13 speed drivers! I was really pushing my 9s. But where I noticed it most was my 7s. Ideally, 7 speeds should convincingly outfly your mids, not be glorified mids (as was my case). Thanks Slingshot guy! You just unlocked my bag!

I increased my best throw of 269 ft with my Valkyrie to 370 on my first attempt after watching this video. I was still in pain from throwing incorrectly a few days ago, so I think 400 isn’t too much to expect when healthy. Thanks for the tips!

I think you mentioned some very helpful tips that I'm excited to try and incorporate tonight after work. Thank you for sharing.

I really appreciate the common sense and trial and error approach to all of these videos you put out. I'm looking forward to trying to put these points into action. Keep up the great work man!

I subbed the instant you talked about your eureka moment. Great content so far. Looking forward to seeing more about what you've been able to learn.

I had the problem where I would reach back thinking my shoulders came along with it. Nope! I filmed myself and I basically had no power with my first technique. I kept questioning, why the heck was I only throwing 300 max? Then I fixed my shoulder issue and that gave me an extra 75 ft. Then I figured out my grip wasn't the power grip and I broke the 400 ft threshold. Thanks to you I broke 450 with this, along with pushing your left shoulder for the RHBH throw. It really is about technique. I mean Eagle is a scrawny guy but he can throw it 700 ft. That tells me its not about strength either. So thank you again!

Nailed this. Sent this to all my AM buddies! Best I’ve seen for sure

I had to relearn how to throw a disc after having part of my pelvis and 6 muscles in my hip and leg taken out and a quad flipped up into my hip because of cancer. Docs said I'd never walk again because of the surgery so I left their rehab program and started playing disc golf all the time. Now they call me the gold standard for surgical recovery and have me do workouts and flexibility tests every time I go in to research lol. Anyways, I love videos like this because I lost SOOO much distance in my drives and finding things I can do with my upper body to add distance is about all I can do. I've gotten back up to about a 250 ft drive now. Hopefully this will help me get back over 325 again! Great explanation btw

Just watched this and did one hour of practice. Went from averaging 400 to now 435! Thank you!

I'm glad this is resonating with people. I throw 400+ and often struggle to communicate how to achieve the type of relaxed throw that gives the best distance.

Great video, man. I figured this out myself a few months ago and I'm still surprised at how people use the term "noodle arm" in a derogatory sense. I think you're spot on describing how your arm should in fact feel like a dead weight noodle arm.

Excellent! Ive been playing for a year and struggling with any real distance. I had been constantly searching for good content to help break me out of the rounding/pulling/all arm air bounce throwing I knew I was doing. This and all your other videos are going to be on repeat for me as I correct poor form. Thank you and keep the videos coming. Drills, form break downs, montages of good form, what ever you got. Love it.

This video instantly made me a subscriber. Great information dude

This is gotta be one of the best videos on KZfaq. Thanks man!

Absolutely fantastic video!

I think it’s important to mention it took me hundreds of hours to get to the day I gained a 100 feet. There are no quick fixes. This is just the start of building better habits. In my opinion. Although some immediate distance is also the goal.

Such an underrated video. Better explained than the pros. Time to go apply it and report findings 🤘🏼

Excited to try this out in the field more. I am well aware that I am strong-arming my disc. I can feel it and I can see it in recordings. But I can't figure out how to stop! When trying to do the drive procedures in a split second, my body just defaults to it and I am struggling to break the habit.

Great video. I've recently been pondering how the pros can all easily throw over 400' without much apparent effort. Speed guns show their release speed is well over 70mph. So the question is how do you get your hand to be moving that fast at the moment you release the disc? And it shouldn't be super hard, but rather a fluid motion. I think a whip or slingshot is a good analogy because the idea is that the motion starts out slow but is accelerating the whole time until the point of release. Tristan Tanner is the poster child for a slow X-step that accelerates smoothly to the point of release. If you focus on "pulling", chances are your hand is moving the fastest as it approaches the pocket but then actually slows down after that point when instead it should be speeding up like the tip of a whip. When I look at guys like Simon when he's throwing at his 70% effort level I realize that trying to throw harder isn't the answer. One of my mantras is "let the disc do the work"-- try to give it lots of spin and snap rather than trying to throw it "hard", and what do you know, it goes farther!. Danny Lindahl's "slow is smooth and smooth is fast" isn't quite right. I think it really is more like, "accelerate smoothly and fluidly like a whip, and your release point will have maximum speed".

a well explained video, and something i recently discovered myself. I like the way you break it down. You sir, have earned another sub!

Omg was just thinking this the other day!!! I couldn't figure out why sometimes when I hit the field I'm throwing 270-315 max. Other times I go out and every disk is flirting with 380! I had an aha moment watching Ricky Wysocki throw. I could see his body pulling his arm..no arm muscles involved until he hit the power pocket. Now I've gotta train my arm out of bad form and try to stay relaxed. Anyways I'm super pumped to see you break it down! Liked and subscribed!

It's all in the hips baby! Great video. If you use your hips your arm naturally comes up and whips at a 90 degree angle it's a great dril to show people.

great take on this. this is what we do in the Spin and Throw disc golf group.

For sure an excellent explanation that I've needed. It's clear the big drives don't need big muscles as many of the pros look nothing like body builders. With great power comes great responsibility though, and so the work on accuracy begins. Thanks

5:35 "You are gonna use your abs..." I watched this video and slowly went through the motions in my living room before heading out for some field work and to play 18 yesterday. When I woke up this morning, I couldn't roll out of bed because my abs were so sore from working on including what I learned. Maybe that means that I'm doing it right. Thanks for the videos. I'm only a couple months into playing disc golf, but you have definitely helped me refine my form.

This is awesome advice man, super cool to see your journey and thanks for sharing it!! Keep it up!!

A rather impressive amateur biomechanical analysis. Understands his body and has a real world grasp of physics and is able to translate it into his vocabulary. Very good, comes to similar conclusions to some pro videos.

Literally just got up and did your method and can hear the whip in air versus what I do currently- this is fantastic, I can’t wait to try in field work!

Reciprocating Dingle Arm. The "power pocket or sling shot pocket" angle or position will vary by player and speed which is why I just say the disc comes inward or narrow to your center then redirected back out wide away from center. The faster you turn, the more the shoulder angle collapses, but you are resisting the collapse to create a bounce or sling effect. But many players try to spin too fast and collapse the shoulder joint completely with the upper arm hugging the chest and can't redirect the disc from their center and then has to go around it/rounding.

Best detailed explanation of hip usage. Gained 40-50 ft after utilizing these tips with a one step (no full walkup).

Best damn explanation ever you sir are a hero

Subbed. I learned this a little while ago and definitely added distance to my drives. I used to do exactly what you mentioned in timing the arm and hips because that is what tutorials teach you. Great explanation.

Up until this video, I've always wondered why forehand shots are considered the weaker or less desired throw since for me I can throw both about the same distance and typically get more accuracy with a forehand. This video makes that clear since it doesn't seem like you would get the same slingshot momentum from a forehand. I also find it interesting that so many people commenting are maxing out around 300 ft before adopting this technique because that's pretty much the average max distance I've been stuck at, regardless if I'm throwing a mid or distance driver.

I like to ask new players to drop their discs, stick their off hand in their pant pocket, and then just turn their upper body around, letting the throwing arm hang relaxed and heavy, to help them feel the acceleration the rest of the body puts on it, and hopefully wake them up to how little the arm really needs involving.

Wicked video man ! You broke that down perfectly I thought. I allways say if you can explain something in the easiest terms possible and have it make sense to everyone then your good at teaching 👌. I'm definitely going to think of this tonight when I chuck a round.

Described in a lot of other sports (tennis, ball golf etc) as a kinetic chain.

These videos speak to my game. Thanks for the content.

Thank you for pulling this series together to illustrate this method. Watched a LOT of videos to try and make the increase in distance that I knew was there but not sure how to get it. This shift in perspective has easily gained me 50ft (throwing standstill for 3 weeks now) with accuracy.

Great advice. I’m going to work on this. Thanks

You are explaining proximal to distal throwing techinque applied to disc golf very well. Hips go first and upper trunk rotation happens later. Elbow doesn't work the same way in backhand than in throwing a ball or forehand which are more typical examples of throwing mecahnics. Explaning the elbow as a whip is a very good idea.

Thank you! This has helped immensely. Never would have figured this out on my own, and no one else talks about this. Looking forward to watching your other content. Keep up the great work!

2 Min in and i just got the biggest AHA moment. 💥

This is excellent! And shows how a 10 year-old kid with true noodle arms can outthrow the 250lb bodybuilder with giant arms. Your arm IS a whip, let it happen. Core strength is key, the faster you rotate your hips the faster your noodle arm whips the disc. My and my noodle arm are going to go throw some discs now.

These videos are so awesome and to the point! More people need to see this channel!

Thanks for the first tip! Went from 320 to 380 feet today

I have struggled for so long with and wrist break recovery and always popping my elbow during rounds and this has really helped me understand where my issue is that film examination never could. THANK YOU FIR THIS SO MUCH

Okay, revolutionary. Watched dozens of videos, and none explained the loose-arm technique as you have. Very nice. I didn't get an extra 100 feet, but in one day went from regular max of 310 to 330 to one of 350 to 380. My goal is 400, which is a long way for a 54 year old, in my book.Thought I would never really get past 350, but you have renewed my hope for 400. While the whip concept is very helpful, I had heard it before, but never quite understood it. Your talking about the arm being a noodle, and dead weight, was super helpful. Another idea is to talk about the fact that you are not THROWING the disc, but FLINGING it, helps create the mental shift one is after. Not muscling it, but using the body rotation to catapault it. Even my wife is catching on, and super excited about her new distance!

The best video I’ve seen explain what pros do to get distance.

This makes so much sense. I’m going out on the field tomorrow to practice this and hopefully see the improvements. One thing I wanted to know is that once you are tucked into the Slingshot Pocket, is it then time to manually swing your disc arm out or does your arm naturally keep noodling out from the rotation? Also I think one of the main reasons that us beginners/intermediate players have only just started to understand this Noodle Arm/Passive Arm method is that we were always taught to Pull a lawnmower ripcord or Bash down a door with our elbow and to me I visualize Pulling my disc arm across my body with brute force to achieve those things. Thanks

Great explanation sir! This should help. Can't wait to get out and try it.

Everything you touch on in this video is dead balls on correct. But you already know that. The trick has always been explaining it to people in a way that makes sense to them. I think you have achieved that! Great job brother!

I throw 400 on a good pull. Im going to apply this logic. Great video man

this is prolly the best explanation on backhand i ever watched

Thank you for this video and for using useful terminology. Makes complete sense on how you’re explaining it, and I can’t wait to apply it.

You are teaching an old dog new tricks and this old dog thanks you SIR. It just might work for forehand drives as well. Same idea different mechanics.

There is nothing more stressful than standing on a tee pad with disc in hand. I am full of anxiety. I do recall hitting some of my best shots when I didn’t care and was more relaxed. This makes sense.

Got my subscription from this video. Wow. Been struggling with trying to figure this out for years.

This is a great video i would say for ultimate players... esp on the run up pull..

This really is a great explanation. I’m pretty surprised that there are so many other videos and none I’ve watched mention how loose your arms actually need to be. After watching this I drill my shots an extra 50+ft with less effort. Many thanks 🙏

Spot on ,got this a while ago, but you showing it so clear that i have to "lag" even more ,because my arm is not nearly so late as you show,but i throw 330 today with NO EFFORT ,so there is "new" hope for more distance in my case.Thanks for this enlightment!

After watching your video, the next day I was throwing way farther than normal. It was so exciting. No one else explained where I got the help.

Perfectly explained. I immediately understand what has been holding me back from next-level distance. I'll be in the field tomorrow. Definitely gonna watch all your videos henceforth.

Been playing for the better part of 20 years. Just wanted to say that you nailed it. I've been teaching this as 'the tip of the whip'

Effortlessly effortless

This video made my last season so difficult trying to get the feel of it. This season’s gonna be sweet 🤝🏼