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4 жыл бұрын

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Volkswagen Golf 1.9 TDI 4Motion (2002)
vs
Audi S3 1.8T Quattro (2000)
#duszaniespokojna #volkswagengolf #audis3

Пікірлер: 467
@martin.kirilov
@martin.kirilov 4 жыл бұрын
The same haldex-based system in both cars, right?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, haldex 1.
@c4n15lupu5
@c4n15lupu5 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers what about same audi but s3 version? As always gr8 content, thank You
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@c4n15lupu5 This is S3 version.
@c4n15lupu5
@c4n15lupu5 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers now, everything is clear. I'd love to see comparison between passat b5 vs b6 😉
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@c4n15lupu5 All up to volunteers :)
@DarkSignal59
@DarkSignal59 4 жыл бұрын
Look at that beautifully maintained MK4 Golf! ❤ Sorry, there's just something about those, that look like they're new, that always get me.
@gearheartknivesoutdoor2166
@gearheartknivesoutdoor2166 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta love MK4's!!
@dmc12345678910
@dmc12345678910 3 жыл бұрын
PD 150 mk4 owner here 😍
@varjaurban
@varjaurban 3 жыл бұрын
@@dmc12345678910 and 2.8 4motion mk4 owner here :)
@kubson012
@kubson012 3 жыл бұрын
Beautifull golf its oxymoron
@varjaurban
@varjaurban 3 жыл бұрын
@@kubson012 no, no we are normal morons, not the oxy version... 😆
@granit96
@granit96 4 жыл бұрын
These two old cars did very great , some new cars with 4wd can't do it !
@robertmorris6289
@robertmorris6289 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is true
@adodoes8770
@adodoes8770 4 жыл бұрын
I did not expect them to be this good. Especially that golf did really well and completed every test besides last one with relative ease.
@lazarstevanovic8887
@lazarstevanovic8887 2 жыл бұрын
They have exactly the same drivetrain.
@autopolis1
@autopolis1 4 жыл бұрын
Congrats for the NEW channel NAME. Finally i found you again. Top job the one you are doing!!.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Alexdj44
@Alexdj44 4 жыл бұрын
Спасибо за очередное сравнение. И владельцам авто тоже наша благодарность👍
@VagBrazzers
@VagBrazzers 4 жыл бұрын
Сравнение одной и той же системы на разных будках
@igostets9213
@igostets9213 4 жыл бұрын
Ну и результат же одинаковый
@user-nw4mo8mc8w
@user-nw4mo8mc8w 4 жыл бұрын
@@igostets9213 хотя у Ауди жопа раньше схватывает так мозг запрограммирован,и много кто ищет ЭБУ от s3
@supongo_
@supongo_ 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for bringing these amazingcars
@jpch8814
@jpch8814 4 жыл бұрын
Based on all your videos it is clear that Volkswagen Haldex system is an incredible AWD,the software works perfectly in most situations, the Audi Haldex is configured for performance and spirited driving not traction/snow/off road. Thank you for these videos you have spread a lot of information on the topic of AWD.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Haldex works great also in some other cars - for example Volvo.
@jpch8814
@jpch8814 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah,I hope you can test XC40 and maybe an Evoque.
@dhies1792
@dhies1792 4 жыл бұрын
that vw golf still have a nice engine sound. really love that 1.9tdi best ever.
@KCKNV
@KCKNV 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video. The different design of the ESP + EDL is interesting, especially on the rear axle. It would also be interesting if something happened if the front wheels had 50% steering angle on the rolls.
@betabow
@betabow 4 жыл бұрын
I like your channel very much! Great job
@optimistgt5800
@optimistgt5800 4 жыл бұрын
Hi! great videos you have! Maybe you can do this also for 2WD cars to check how electronics helps open differential in hard conditions on regular cars?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! There are some 2wd cars - mainly the ones with driving modes like Renault Captur XMOD, Peugeot 3008 & 5008 with Advanced Grip Control. Or sporty ones like Suzuki Swift Sport.
@hansvanderveen3323
@hansvanderveen3323 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers what about eds?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@hansvanderveen3323 What about it?
@hansvanderveen3323
@hansvanderveen3323 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers most cars here have got an electronic sperdifferential. 2wd how will they handle the rollers?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@hansvanderveen3323 If you mean the systems that use brakes then find on my channel the cars that I mentioned in previous comment. Test on one roller, no problems for 2wd cars.
@macv6
@macv6 3 жыл бұрын
Kiedyś miałem golfa 4 1.9 4motion z edc. Niesamowicie dobrze ten samochód radził sobie w śniegu. Ograniczał go tylko prześwit... :) Później jeździłem foresterem i moim zdaniem do codziennej jazdy haldex jest lepszy - stabilniejszy na śniegu, a i dynamiczne ruszenie na mokrym w Golfie też lepiej wychodziło. Golfem mogłem ruszyć na śniegu z pełnym butem bez strachu, że tył zacznie wyprzedzać przód. Subaru było bardziej niestabilne, ale dzięki temu na pustych drogach dawało więcej frajdy :D Oba samochody miały nowe opony i poodbną moc.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Z jaką skrzynią Forester?
@macv6
@macv6 3 жыл бұрын
Manualną @@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
@@macv6 Czyli 50/50 z centralnym dyfrem. Automaty (4EAT) i CVT powinny się zachowywać podobnie do haldexa.
@macv6
@macv6 3 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no pewnie było by inaczej :) ale wiele osób wychwala napęd subaru pod niebiosa i twierdzi, że takie auto trzyma się perfekcyjnie i wyjedzie z każdej zaspy, a tymczasem nie do końca tak było. Co nie zmienia faktu, że forester to ekstra samochód i dał mi kupę frajdy z jazdy. :) Golf z haldexem oprócz dobrego napędu miał jeszcze jedną zaletę; nikt się po tym aucie nie spodziewał, że ma 4x4. :D Miałem to szczęscie, że użytkowałem go przez dwie śnieżne zimy i nie raz z radością obserwowałem zdziwione miny innych kierowców :D
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
@@macv6 A co powiesz na temat zaskakiwania kierowcy przez pierwsze generacje haldexa, bzdura czy potwierdzasz? Chodzi mi o nagłe lub zbyt gwałtowne załączanie.
@joeb7168
@joeb7168 3 жыл бұрын
Great channel thanks for sharing
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@J3n555
@J3n555 4 жыл бұрын
Haldex Gen1 is pretty good. I miss my 2.8 vr6 4motion golf.
@alvaroromero5022
@alvaroromero5022 3 жыл бұрын
A good car bro
@J3n555
@J3n555 3 жыл бұрын
@@alvaroromero5022 Ye, One of the best and Cheap cars Ive had. I have Audi S5 now, but I Still miss the golf mk4
@Popk1ller
@Popk1ller 4 жыл бұрын
this Mk4 is absolutely beautiful
@alfeigo
@alfeigo 4 жыл бұрын
Too good for 2002 golf! Unbelievable!
@dannysmith5178
@dannysmith5178 4 жыл бұрын
Ciekawym rozwiązaniem było by zrobienie listy samochodów z podsumowaniem, które i na ile sobie poradziły i w jakim czasie. Mogła by być prezentowana na końcu tak jak to robi Doug DeMuro.
@gergely205
@gergely205 3 жыл бұрын
2:51 3:09 this sound 😍
@benas2816
@benas2816 4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see B5 syncro vs B5.5 4motion
@izetamajka3309
@izetamajka3309 4 жыл бұрын
@Beans B5.5 using Torsen and longwise mounted engine it's a true Quattro system. 😁
@95jonas95
@95jonas95 4 жыл бұрын
The S3 was making a weird noise right after it stopped.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
It comes from rollers, not S3.
@95jonas95
@95jonas95 4 жыл бұрын
Ah, I see. Thx!
@scottaspden7235
@scottaspden7235 3 жыл бұрын
I thought that was from something in the quattro system making that noise.. oh well..
@dankowal2650
@dankowal2650 3 жыл бұрын
Golf is better?
@sagittarius-tk4hj
@sagittarius-tk4hj 4 жыл бұрын
Gdzieś na jakimś filmiku po niemiecku o układach EDS w grupie VAG była informacja że wyłączenie ASR/ESP nie powoduje wyłączenia EDS. EDS ma wtedy po prostu więcej roboty bo ASR nie ogranicza momentu obrotowego na silniku
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Zgadza się. Tyle, że w wielu przypadkach ten moment obrotowy jest potrzebny, jeśli jest ograniczany, to samochód nie jest w stanie ruszyć.
@msen37
@msen37 4 жыл бұрын
Vw golf, very good ...
@rafabogdan3553
@rafabogdan3553 4 жыл бұрын
golf won
@irokezz33
@irokezz33 4 жыл бұрын
Przetestuj kiedyś audi 80 quattro, samochód posiada przycisk blokady dyfra, moze byc to ciekawy test ;)
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Chętnie, ale póki co nie znalazł się nikt chętny z takim samochodem...
@Guciq96
@Guciq96 4 жыл бұрын
Też jestem ciekaw 80 bądź 90tki..jak sobie radzi
@KM-hc6pf
@KM-hc6pf 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers gdzie testujesz auta?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@KM-hc6pf Głównie Rzeszów, ale bywamy w różnych częściach kraju.
@KM-hc6pf
@KM-hc6pf 4 жыл бұрын
​@@4x4.tests.on.rollers jakbyście kiedyś byli w okolicach Poznania i chcieli sprawdzić Audi Allroad to można spróbować się umówić :)
@sorinL
@sorinL 4 жыл бұрын
How did the golf made that turbo flutter sound? I also have an 1.9 TDI and I make it to sound like that.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
150 hp?
@sorinL
@sorinL 4 жыл бұрын
I have stage 1 on my golf, around 140 hp But I am asking about the sound from 3:35 , 3:49 . Is it from a cone air filter?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@sorinL I have no idea...
@sorinL
@sorinL 4 жыл бұрын
Oh ok. I thought you may know. I am searching for an answer for a while, maybe someone will tell me. Thanks.
@AudiQuattro-fx9im
@AudiQuattro-fx9im 4 жыл бұрын
@@sorinL probably blow-off valve-->en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowoff_valve
@karstenvr6
@karstenvr6 6 ай бұрын
Are you sure the Golf videos of 'one wheel on the ground in the back' with and without ESP are swapped? Every other haldex car only drove down without ESP and the Golf only with it on?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 6 ай бұрын
I am sure they are not swapped, we've been surprised to.
@Arnie551972
@Arnie551972 4 жыл бұрын
Jak byś przejeżdżał z rolkami k/Warszawy, dysponuję S3 2019 haldex oraz Q5 2015 3.0TDI torsen...
@brettpanzer
@brettpanzer 4 жыл бұрын
Have you tested a current generation 4motion car? I think it’s 5th generation?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Arteon and Tiguan, Haldex V.
@living4adrenaline
@living4adrenaline 2 жыл бұрын
Sick, I want to 4x4 swap my mk6 Golf TDI. Not cheap though!
@mrle0719
@mrle0719 4 жыл бұрын
Open diff on the back? Why did the golf manage to pull out with only one wheel out to the ground with ESP on though?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Diffs open. Why not? Traction control works.
@martienthestar
@martienthestar 3 жыл бұрын
Would coilovers somehow effect performance? Something with the springrates and weight aplied to the wheels, or perhaps making it harder to compress the springs on the wheels wich have to 'bump' over the rollers? With stiff spings, the weight of the car has to be lifted over the extra hight instead of the spings just having to compress a bit to lift just the wheels instead of the whole car? Correct me if I'm wrong, but be a jerk about it, it's the internet after all
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
That's a good point, that may slightly affect the results but that's visible in the test. If suspension is too stiff then wheels are starting to spin on pavement, like here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ppt6ZsqnycDboac.html
@adamhani5078
@adamhani5078 4 жыл бұрын
What system is best for launching off at the lights? In these older cars 4motion or quattro
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
In case of these two cars - 4Motion is the same as Quattro.
@ApocGuy
@ApocGuy 2 жыл бұрын
both are haldex powered so its more or less the same. i'd take torsen one if i had a chance though.
@pudekoksiazka2256
@pudekoksiazka2256 3 жыл бұрын
Czy przypadkiem nie są te same napędy ? Tylko inaczej się nazywają.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
To, że obydwa mają haldexa nie oznacza, że działają tak samo.
@pudekoksiazka2256
@pudekoksiazka2256 3 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers z tym się zgodzę i nie tylko Soft ma na to wpływ
@inanismailov
@inanismailov 3 жыл бұрын
Very handsome golf
@CalinEnduro
@CalinEnduro 4 жыл бұрын
Can you mount an lsd to the rear?
@ApocGuy
@ApocGuy 2 жыл бұрын
why LSD? go full locker instead :P
@max_20129
@max_20129 4 жыл бұрын
Гольф как будто только с конвеера) состояние 5из5
@ykcumop
@ykcumop 2 жыл бұрын
Isnit true first gen haldex 4motion doesnt work in reverse?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 2 жыл бұрын
No, that's not true.
@Ahelot
@Ahelot 3 жыл бұрын
I have Škoda Octavia 4x4 A5 (2005, diesel engine 1.9 TDI 77 kw), so if I am not wrong it uses 2. generation od Haldex system. So, it doesn't have that e-brake system that is braking the wheel without traction for transfering the power to another wheel. If I found myself in tricky situation, would it be helpfull to apply quick braking (pressing the brakes quickly several times or it is useless)? I saw this comment under one video of skoda scout pulling out stuck car from the snow: " Use some brake my friend to help the diffs!!!" CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT PLS ? :/
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Is there no ESP, no any traction control?
@Ahelot
@Ahelot 3 жыл бұрын
i have ESP and ABS offcourse, you missunderstood me when I was mentioning e-brake system that is controling power transfer, I was refering to 5. generation of haldex which have EDL (electronic differential lock) that is applying brakes to the wheels that are sliping and it is shitfing power to those wheels with traction. So in older generation, 1. 2. and 4. - th i think, when one wheel slips it diverts all the power in that way beacuse the power follows the path of least resistance on open differentials. Correct me If I am wrong :/
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ahelot If you have ESP/ABS then you have TC/EDL, that is the same module, so the system is braking the spinning wheel. The question is if that is effective enough.
@Ahelot
@Ahelot 3 жыл бұрын
yes, that is the right question.... and what is about comment that someone wrote: " Use some brake my friend to help the diffs!!!" ?? sry for bothering you :D
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ahelot No problem :) Light usage of brakes should help, this way driver may try to do what electronics should do. However it doesn't work in many cars cause there is brake pedal priority so power may be cut.
@howardp6682
@howardp6682 4 жыл бұрын
Dumb question of the day: How do these AWD systems (not just for these two cars) perform in reverse? I am just asking because sometimes people have to reverse their car out of an angle park on the snow or ice up a slight uphill slope towards the crown of the road.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
That's not a dumb question: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hLybrL170dXcZI0.html However some viewers say that is some older cars traction control doesn't work on reverse.
@adriannp.
@adriannp. 3 жыл бұрын
For me, the MK 4 is the best golf
@ericmiles11
@ericmiles11 4 жыл бұрын
4motion golf... Things we didn't get in america
@XXSNIPERUKXX
@XXSNIPERUKXX 4 жыл бұрын
Very rare in the uk aswell unless you bought an r32 or 2.3
@ciroderoma9901
@ciroderoma9901 4 жыл бұрын
Best 1.9 tdi
@cygmen7636
@cygmen7636 4 жыл бұрын
A w golfie i w audi a3 tej generacji Jest ten sam napęd haldex?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Tak. Może mieć inny software.
@Bartoszbb130
@Bartoszbb130 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers to po co tytule pisać quattro jak nim nie jest
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@Bartoszbb130 A co jest napisane na tylnej klapie i na przednim grilu tego Audi?
@wessideindeblack
@wessideindeblack 4 жыл бұрын
huskiman123 1111 a po co pisać twoje imię jak nie jest twoje ?
@Bartoszbb130
@Bartoszbb130 4 жыл бұрын
@@wessideindeblack chodzi mi o to ,że przyjeło się w ogólnym rozumieniu quattro jako napęd stały otwarty lub z torsenem, a haldex pozostaje haldexem nawet po zmianie softu zasada działania się nie zmienia. W teście zostały porównane dwa identyczne układy jak by dołożyć np jakieś a4 quattro wtedy rzeczywiście można by nazwać film quattro vs haldex a tak to raczej porównane softu albo sprawnośći układu jedynie, nie mówię już o tych nowszych wagach bo tam wszędzie jest rozłączany ze względu na ekonomię. O to mi chodziło dokładnie;)
@thirstquencher3203
@thirstquencher3203 3 жыл бұрын
Do they have aftermarket LSD for the differential ?
@honestguy7764
@honestguy7764 3 жыл бұрын
no
@Clonner
@Clonner 3 жыл бұрын
S3 with golf tyres would be way better...great car and engine with stage 1 you get 265hp and 0-60 5.9 sec :)
@kisser3426
@kisser3426 4 жыл бұрын
its possible to make a golf mk4 4Motion just RWD ?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
With this system - nope.
@user-ew1uo5dp4u
@user-ew1uo5dp4u 4 жыл бұрын
А что их сравнивать, это же технически две абсолютно одинаковые машины )))
@user-if6ro7ux7u
@user-if6ro7ux7u 3 жыл бұрын
Ты красава 100% , я тоже самое хотел написать 👍
@2419ivan
@2419ivan Жыл бұрын
When you turn the esp off on haldex car the rear diff locks the power ratio at 70 front and 30 rear.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers Жыл бұрын
Where did you get such info?
@2419ivan
@2419ivan Жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that is on the mk4s at least. Idk for newer, should have stated
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers Жыл бұрын
@@2419ivan What's the source of the info?
@2419ivan
@2419ivan Жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i dont remember the exact source, it was an information that stuck with me since the haldex unit is an edl one. I do currently own a v6 4mo and in the snow it does seem more rear happy.
@2.5tdi16
@2.5tdi16 4 жыл бұрын
1.9tdi best engine
@SadziQ92
@SadziQ92 4 жыл бұрын
klekleklekle
@audilover0345
@audilover0345 4 жыл бұрын
No, s3 With 1.8T 👌
@letsavittvbirminghamuk9688
@letsavittvbirminghamuk9688 4 жыл бұрын
Best engine have you had the pleasure of driving a mark 4 Vr6 4motion and then have that opinion view my channel to appreciate the vr6
@jansikking1
@jansikking1 4 жыл бұрын
When S3 facelift with Haldex gen 5?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully in May.
@RandomlnternetGuy
@RandomlnternetGuy 3 жыл бұрын
Canadian here, quick question. Did the AWD TDIs for the A4 platform come in a manual? We dont have any AWD TDIs here.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Which generation of A4?
@honestguy7764
@honestguy7764 3 жыл бұрын
my golf mk4 tdi 4motion coupled with a manual 6 speed transmission
@dimmacommunication
@dimmacommunication 4 жыл бұрын
Where could somebody buy rollers to do those tests ?
@louvendran7273
@louvendran7273 4 жыл бұрын
@Andrea Autoparts store
@dimmacommunication
@dimmacommunication 4 жыл бұрын
@@louvendran7273 How are they called ?
@louvendran7273
@louvendran7273 4 жыл бұрын
'Wheel Dollies'
@wieczorek1807
@wieczorek1807 3 жыл бұрын
Czy golf z filmu jest może na sprzedaż? XD
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Nie mam informacji na ten temat 🙂
@petarjelinic7682
@petarjelinic7682 4 жыл бұрын
...and there you see the only problem of Gen. 1, EDS only on the front so if on the rear one wheel spins the car is standing still as seen at the end...
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
EDL is on both axles, at the end you can see both cars passing the test.
@petarjelinic7682
@petarjelinic7682 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ...By EDS I mean Elektronische Differenzial Sperre don't know the English word, and sorry I don't think the car has it on the rear wheels so the car moves only because of the 3 wheels on the rolls make enough dinamic force to jump a little of the rolls, but the one rear wheel on the ground doesn't get any Power at 3.18 it takes much to long time, with EDS it would instantly move...
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@petarjelinic7682 EDS in English is EDL. Both cars have it on rear axles, they even slip the rear wheel on pavement. It is not possible to pass this test without EDL. Other indication is the back of the car - you can see it going down like handbrake was used. It takes more time cause power must go through haldex first. That is standard behaviour for this type of awd systems (I mean more time needed to pass the test - if pass at all).
@tsankotsankov2300
@tsankotsankov2300 3 жыл бұрын
both cars with Haldex
@sinoseid1718
@sinoseid1718 4 жыл бұрын
Why do you comparing the same haldex system?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Cause it works different on both vehicles due to software differences.
@samin2173
@samin2173 4 жыл бұрын
Quattro ja 4motion are brands that utilize different 4wd systems, most common are Haldex and Torsen. Both of these cars are based on Haldex system, so the title of the video can be misleading to many watchers.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
The fact that both are based on haldex doesn't mean that they work the same. Besides there is 4Motion badge on Golf and Quattro badge on S3, so saying that title can be misleading is like saying that those badges are misleading.
@risingstar1309
@risingstar1309 3 жыл бұрын
Guys like me who fell in love with s3’s of this generation but live in United States ... :(
@christianhoff1118
@christianhoff1118 3 жыл бұрын
Did the us get the 1.8T?
@ericksanchez7787
@ericksanchez7787 3 жыл бұрын
@@christianhoff1118 yes but not the s3 or even this gen a3
@byirekandmoto3709
@byirekandmoto3709 4 жыл бұрын
Jaki rocznik S3 8L?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Jak w opisie - 2000.
@yuksektork1474
@yuksektork1474 4 жыл бұрын
hello, king golf. Yüksek Tork...
@troqhiperhipertroq
@troqhiperhipertroq 3 жыл бұрын
Ahahahah çok yaşa
@yuksektork1474
@yuksektork1474 3 жыл бұрын
@@troqhiperhipertroq :)
@revmatched9498
@revmatched9498 4 жыл бұрын
Well, the same technology used in both cars. The only differences are a driver and tires.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
The fact that both systems are based on haldex doesn't mean that they work the same, if you watch with attention you will see the differences independent from drivers. Tires do not influence this test.
@XxXGamingGuy7XxX
@XxXGamingGuy7XxX 4 жыл бұрын
How are tires affecting the test if they use the same rollers in both vids?
@nephron9924
@nephron9924 4 жыл бұрын
Wish I could convert my 2002 Jetta TDI to awd without it costing an arm and a leg
@NotMyAccount
@NotMyAccount 4 жыл бұрын
Why dont you sell it and buy the awd one with some difference, i bought a 1.9 tdi 2003 jetta wagon 101hp FWD for 1900€ a year ago and i saw for sale recently a 1.9 tdi 130hp AWD wagon jetta for 2400€
@adriannp.
@adriannp. 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, go fo the PD 130, what an incredible engine!
@bassboostedlife9942
@bassboostedlife9942 4 жыл бұрын
*Golf 4 Best*
@pawelmadejski6840
@pawelmadejski6840 4 жыл бұрын
Jak dla mnie to lepszy golf w tym teście
@josemontano7767
@josemontano7767 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought they were the same system
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Mechanically they are but there are some software differences.
@andyb4796
@andyb4796 3 жыл бұрын
Both are the same haldex system
@bartekt5262
@bartekt5262 3 жыл бұрын
Ale to sa ob takie same napędy wiec jakie tu mamy porównanie haldex
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
To, że jakiekolwiek dwa samochody mają haldexa nie oznacza, że te układy będą działać tak samo, co widać w teście. Poza tym oprócz haldexa dochodzi tu jeszcze EDL.
@sashazaloznyy5336
@sashazaloznyy5336 3 жыл бұрын
Напиши что с двгателем делал рlease Очень впечатляет,супер!
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I don't understand what you mean, translator is not helping...
@metinarnaudov7869
@metinarnaudov7869 3 жыл бұрын
What that knocking sound coming from the Audi
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
That's not from Audi, that's from rollers.
@stagmanson4155
@stagmanson4155 4 жыл бұрын
If I'm not mistaken, aren't these both torsen systems? Just different gear ratios?
@stagmanson4155
@stagmanson4155 4 жыл бұрын
Wait, I meant haldex.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@stagmanson4155 Yes, both haldex 1.
@mihaiachim244
@mihaiachim244 Жыл бұрын
Most of 2022 SUVs perform the same. Seems that 4x4 systems didn't evolve a lot in the last 20 years. And hybrids are worse. Check RAV4 or Outlander. They fail to pass even with 2 wheels on the asphalt.
@that_escalated_quickly2720
@that_escalated_quickly2720 6 ай бұрын
I don't think, you should've used different engines... The 1.9 TDI has far more torque earlier in the revs and the audi needed more revs for the same torque, more revs means more slipping and therefore the torsen was doomed already... If you compare, don't forget the different torque thats given by the different engines at different revs and therefore different revolutions of the wheels... This is important.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 6 ай бұрын
Firstly - 1.9 TDI has less torque than S3. Secondly - none of these has torsen. Thirdly - max torque doesn't matter, it is not used in this test.
@that_escalated_quickly2720
@that_escalated_quickly2720 6 ай бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no false, A4 B6 1.9 TDI Quattro has 310 NM, S3 8L with 1.8T Quattro Haldex has max. 280 NM and around 300rpm later... And no, all you are measuring in the test with one wheel on the ground is, if enough torque reaches the one wheel to get the vehicle going. More torque, the better
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 6 ай бұрын
@@that_escalated_quickly2720 You clearly don't understand that torque generated by the engine relies on resistance/grip. Low grip = low torque generated. The ability of the engine may be 1000 Nm but it won't generate it if grip doesn't allow it. Edit - I forgot to mention - max torque of 1.9 TDI is from 240 Nm to 320 Nm, depends on version.
@that_escalated_quickly2720
@that_escalated_quickly2720 6 ай бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers dude stop deleting my comments just say you don't care, I don't use bad language so it is not youtube deleting them ;) it is obvious, that engines give torque by load applied, but why don't you just try using a A4 B6 1.9 TDI Quattro against S3 8L? Do you need an A4 B6 1.9 TDI Quattro?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 6 ай бұрын
@@that_escalated_quickly2720 I didn't delete any of your comments. I can't see any in spam tab to. If there will be any volunteer with A4 B6 1.9 TDI - we will test it.
@izetamajka3309
@izetamajka3309 4 жыл бұрын
Both car using Haldex system, so Audi A3, Audi TT and think so Audi Q3 using Haldex system, they are not a true Quattro, because the engines are mounted longitudinally and because that it's a normal 4motitos or synchro system. We have also an example at VW Passat B5.5 which engine is mounted longwise and this is pure blood Quattro vehicle with Torsen drive.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
There's about 15 types of Quattro, Haldex is one of them. People may say it is not true etc, but that's still under Quattro name. Like 15 other systems, not only torsen.
@izetamajka3309
@izetamajka3309 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers We are reading about comparation of this two cars. They using apslotitly the same system of drive called Haldex. And this system is mostly implemented to the VW vehicle, and the true reason why only Audi 3, TT using Haldex is longitudinally mounted engine, and all other Audi model using Torsen system. And the difference between this two are very different. Sorry about my bad Eng
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@izetamajka3309 Firstly - the fact that both cars use haldex doesn't mean that they work the same. Secondly - not all other Audis use torsen, there is much more types of Quattro.
@audi3
@audi3 2 жыл бұрын
I have them both,🚘❤🚘💖🚘❤
@turbisios
@turbisios 4 жыл бұрын
what about audi tts 8j vs tts 8s? gen 4 vs 5
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Would be nice, but so far there was no any TT...
@niko7090
@niko7090 3 жыл бұрын
Torsen diff would help
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Front, rear, center?
@niko7090
@niko7090 3 жыл бұрын
Rear
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
@@niko7090 Here is Audi with rear torsen (and no EDL): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iJdgpZZqm7LFmKM.html
@niko7090
@niko7090 3 жыл бұрын
That’s bad, ”clutch type” lsd will survive all conditions but it’s not so comfort in daily car as it’s not maintenance free like torsen diffrential
@mateuszxxx4911
@mateuszxxx4911 4 жыл бұрын
Tutaj to jedynie samochód z centralną blokadą mechanizmu roznicowego da radę np. Mercedes typu g
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Haldex przy maksymalnym spięciu daje podobny efekt.
@anel1177
@anel1177 4 жыл бұрын
Golf is great
@rabeesham1
@rabeesham1 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I find Vw gold 4 very clean and very good condition ?
@MsLiextreme
@MsLiextreme 4 жыл бұрын
Przeciez to takie same napędy 😁
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Mechanicznie tak. Inny software.
@RadostinVelchev
@RadostinVelchev 4 жыл бұрын
What was the point, the have absolutely the same 4wd system.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Different software, different results.
@jpch8814
@jpch8814 4 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video? The have the same AWD but it works differently.
@dimmacommunication
@dimmacommunication 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't seem to be that bad actually 🤔
@MaciejM_
@MaciejM_ 4 жыл бұрын
A czemu gosc w golfie kreci kierownica?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Tu jest odpowiedź na to pytanie: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hZedeNSqup-vdKM.html
@taxiwisanr5365
@taxiwisanr5365 4 жыл бұрын
W tych dwóch modelach samochodów jest dokładnie ten sam typ napędu...
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Zgadza się, ale to nie oznacza, że działa dokładnie tak samo.
@taxiwisanr5365
@taxiwisanr5365 4 жыл бұрын
W wersji 2.8vr6 i s3 1.8t jest inne oprogramowanie sterownika co powoduje szybsza reakcje napędu. To jest jedyna różnica. Mocne wersję golfa i s3 lepiej działają od analogicznych z tdi
@peterstone6307
@peterstone6307 4 жыл бұрын
It’s literally the same AWD system, lol.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Only mechanical part is the same.
@l3g1o0on9
@l3g1o0on9 4 жыл бұрын
Please read a bit about Quattro and 4Motion in the web before you make such coments cuzz allot of people will not give you such polite answers :D
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@l3g1o0on9 Please indicate who are you talking to.
@peterstone6307
@peterstone6307 4 жыл бұрын
L3G1O0ON A3 and Golf share the same VW made AWD System. A4 and above have the Audi designed Quattro system.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@peterstone6307 Actually no Quattro is "Audi designed", rather "Audi tuned" in some cases when talking about software.
@drulessman2892
@drulessman2892 4 жыл бұрын
Can you change name to 2x4 and do a vw jetta 2wd.. this 4x4 stuff is too complicated..lol
@benedekszucs8907
@benedekszucs8907 3 жыл бұрын
Haldex vs haldex:)
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that both cars have haldex doesn't mean that they work the same. Especially that there is also EDL which is the same important.
@benedekszucs8907
@benedekszucs8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers but same rear difi, same haldex mechanic, same controller, same cardan, same gearbox. Same landing gear. I have an s3 8l, octavia 4x4 tdi, g4 tdi.. same parts. (Gearbox other gear)
@benedekszucs8907
@benedekszucs8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so.. same parts, with other work?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
@@benedekszucs8907 We can consider haldex/EDL software and reaction for engine torque. We can consider braking system. As you can see it in the test there is slight difference between these cars. S3 slightly differs from A3, standard Golf slightly differs from R32.
@Ce0ammer
@Ce0ammer 4 жыл бұрын
So many car guys go: HALDEX 1 IS JUST FWD WITH LAG'!!!11111 REEEE3. I wonder if this is going to make them faint. Because HALDEX 1 just beat a bunch of SUVs, mercs and beemers. Funny how things play out.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Well, there is a small lag, haldex 1 & 2 are reactive. Gen 3 was first one with some proactive control. The biggest problem of first generation wasn't the lag, but the handling - unexpected change from undeersteer to oversteer. Software issue, not the haldex itself.
@X990De
@X990De 4 жыл бұрын
Please next Lada Niva
@maksimilijannedoh1973
@maksimilijannedoh1973 Жыл бұрын
if you push a litle the brake the thing happens faster ...
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers Жыл бұрын
We tried, doesn't work, especially if the car is equipped with brake priority over acceleration pedal.
@oskarmalolepszy3348
@oskarmalolepszy3348 Ай бұрын
Golf tdi 4 motion
@oxenisox3418
@oxenisox3418 4 жыл бұрын
Гольф в каком классном состоянии...
@daniel1996lewen
@daniel1996lewen 4 жыл бұрын
oxenis ox смотрю и жалею зачем свой продал
@enduroterrorteam8809
@enduroterrorteam8809 4 жыл бұрын
Ale wiecie że S3 tak naprawdę ma haldexa a nie quattro więc ma to samo co golf XD
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Haldex to też Quattro. Jeden z kilkunastu typów.
@taxiwisanr5365
@taxiwisanr5365 4 жыл бұрын
Quattro to jest nazwa handlowa a nie typ napędu
@AK-800
@AK-800 4 жыл бұрын
A/S3-haldex=haldex-golf...!!
@kristianluptak9462
@kristianluptak9462 3 жыл бұрын
The same haldex system on this car
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that both cars have haldex doesn't mean that they work the same.
@krzysiekgawowicz2149
@krzysiekgawowicz2149 3 жыл бұрын
Golf wyszedł lepiej ze względu że ma eds czyli elektroniczna blokada dyfra 😉
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Wyszedł tak samo :) Obydwa samochody mają haldexa pierwszej generacji oraz EDL.
@marcin6694
@marcin6694 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but the same solutions were tested in these cars
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that both cars have haldex doesn't mean that they work the same, what you can see in the test.
@marcin6694
@marcin6694 3 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers The difference is in the wear of the drive. Each haldex car behaves differently. Do the Audi a4b5 + golf 4 test, it will be real
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
@@marcin6694 Both cars have haldex in very shape. The difference is in many factors, like haldex setup, EDL module version, software version etc. Here is Golf IV vs A4 B7: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mK6Ee7NjvNvHmXk.html
@marcin6694
@marcin6694 3 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Ok, but the haldex + torsen test would be something real, something that can be compared here. Comparison of the same car in terms of 4x4 drive, not 2 + 2
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
@@marcin6694 You can find many torsen vs haldex comparisons on my channel, for example: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oNKUaJp_nrjFnas.html
@godgoo7861
@godgoo7861 4 жыл бұрын
pls test rx330 4x4
@mrevoomk4
@mrevoomk4 2 жыл бұрын
no drag no fun
@generationx227
@generationx227 3 жыл бұрын
Same shity haldex
@josesingle5226
@josesingle5226 3 жыл бұрын
wheel ?? wheel stop
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