Sliver Hivelord vs Rankle vs Vial Smasher || Ikra vs Yidris EDH / CMDR game play for Magic

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@RoxyGotMoxy. 4 жыл бұрын

Sliver Queen: Combo/Tokens deck Sliver Legion: Beatdown Slivers Sliver Overlord: Toolbox/Combo Sliver Hivelord: Resilience/Fairer First Sliver: Shenanigans/Tempo I like how each of the legendary slivers takes the deck in slightly different directions. I mean, of course most sliver decks are going to pack all of them, but it's just cool design and I appreciate it :)

@KromeDrone 4 жыл бұрын

The fact that Mind's Dilation sat around for as long as it did was a huge oversight.

@N1GHTH4WK986 4 жыл бұрын

I was so confused why Waste Not was targeted instead. Yes. The guy was about to get a load of resources, but that Mind enchantment will run away with the game (usually) if left unchecked.

@animeexpresscon 4 жыл бұрын

@@N1GHTH4WK986 And it was a waste not on a player that was Soo far behind already. Its amazing that Dan wasn't able to lock up the game with it out, but that was in part due to the weird board state caused by him grabbing the defender sliver which IMHO was a massive misplay as it squandered his massive lead and gave the sliver player tons of gas to draw more slivers. Yeah, no one saw obliteration coming, but even without the obliteration the sliver deck was still in a good spot.

@RoxyGotMoxy. 4 жыл бұрын

Ikr? When I played that card I literally became instant arch enemy, normally not even until just the enchantment was gone but until I was DEAD.

@DiabloTommaso 3 жыл бұрын

People shuold stop looking at cards independently of the circumstances. Yeah waste not is a pain, that said he was so behind you can leave it up for a couple of turns. If Michael became a problem they cuold have easily killed him. Mind dilatation on the other hand is always broken eaven if it can whiff. At the wrost is advantage with other players cards

@pntbller14 4 жыл бұрын

Still blows me away how many miles apart these videos are from the standard unedited gameplay videos so many channels put out there. Very appreciative of all the work you put into these edits and major kudos on creating such an easy to follow and digest format. Other commander games are just too much and drag on putting me to sleep but between the narration and trimming of the fat so to speak these games come out as straight action and it’s really a great viewing experience as result 👍

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, Rankle's trigger is a single one and all of its effects must resolve before anything else can hit the stack.

@sammysammyson 4 жыл бұрын

It's worth noting that the OG Eldrazi titans *will* shuffle first since they don't trigger; they replace themselves hitting the yard. Just in case anyone was wondering if they function differently.

@devthedragon 4 жыл бұрын

@@sammysammyson Incorrect.The OG Titans are worded "When this is put into you graveyard" meaning they are a triggered ability and cannot resolve during another spell or ability. It is why you can exile the graveyard/them in response to deal with them.

@sammysammyson 4 жыл бұрын

@@devthedragon Am I thinking of the wrong cards? I thought the OG ones had a replacement effect worded "If ~ would be put into a graveyard from anywhere..." and the newer ones had that triggered ability

@teagobr 4 жыл бұрын

@@sammysammyson Maybe you're thinking blightsteel/darksteel colossi? Both have replacement effects.

@devthedragon 4 жыл бұрын

@@sammysammyson Five cards in Magic's history replace going to graveyard by shuffling into the library. They are Blightsteel Colossus, Darksteel Colossus, Legacy Weapon, Progenitus, and Nexus of Fate. Each of them also only shuffle themselves back in.

@MyMindisFreed 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for keeping up the content coming Muddstah. It means a lot! We are in tough times but you content gives some of us something to look forward to and I am just happy that you keeping up the good work. Thank you!

@rkbmcb 4 жыл бұрын

Hi! Thanks again for some great content. Couple more rules comments that my quick perusal of the below didn't see anyone point out: 1. If you don't cast a spell with Cascade, it gets put on the bottom of the deck with the other cards. Unless Dan cast Gaze of Granite for 0 - which is totally possible - it shouldn't have gone to his graveyard. 2. Split Second does not allow players to cast spells that they Cascade into if they're still on the stack. So at 15:39, Dan could not have cast his Snapcaster or given his Bribery Flashback.

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

Good to know! Sadly, the deck Dan was playing was borrowed from Trevor so he didn't know the in's and out's of it.

@germanyjones2700 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew miss ya on commander clash. Love the philosophy and power level of your (video’s/channel’s) decks. Powerful but not that win ASAP stuff, while I don’t enjoy the combo I can respect aight and you guys/gals strike a fun balance.

@evilgeek8417 4 жыл бұрын

You cant cast stuff from cascade with Krosan grip on the stack

@CorruptionAura 4 жыл бұрын

Came to say this

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

Dan sealed his fate when he didn't get that Bane of Progress in Trevor's graveyard instead of Elijah's Tamiyo. Trading his Mind's Dilation for Doubling Season and both Sol Rings was totally worth it at that point. Also, Dan could've activated Mirror Entity in response to the Obliterate to save his non-sliver creatures from both destruction spells.

@Isheian 4 жыл бұрын

But the value! It’s essentially three extra cards a turn.

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

@@Isheian Not when holding on to it causes your opponent to win the game right then and there.

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

@@binggoesthedinomite Dan had his own copy of Hivelord.

@jellymelon6834 4 жыл бұрын

It was an interesting game for sure. Interactive and a lot of back and forth.

@MiscFitt 4 жыл бұрын

If I were Michael I'd be pretty upset lol. He was sitting on 1 land for several turns and people were still slamming him nonstop, and the one turn he gets to play the game all of his value is immediately removed on the stack. Fun pod.

@beltfedweapon9967 Жыл бұрын

He shouldn’t have kept that hand…

@ianjay8170 4 жыл бұрын

Always fun to have a video with slivers!

@redcar28 4 жыл бұрын

8:30 If I'm not mistaken, shouldn't there have been 4 Dark Deals? 1. Dark Deal original spell 2. Fury Storm original spell 3. Fury Storm Vial Smasher copy 4. Fury Storm Ikra copy

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

I think you're right!

@geekmp3 4 жыл бұрын

This was a fantastic game! Great decks all around!

@torinwilliams4671 4 жыл бұрын

Your videos have been satiating my need for commander since the pandemic, yall are awesome

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

@ErikTheRedd1 4 жыл бұрын

Trevor being the only one not mulling to 6 and with a rounded hand felt like he was about to battle a bunch of one legged men in a butt kicking contest

@owneyw4374 4 жыл бұрын

Holy hell Elijah went off

@HansHurin 4 жыл бұрын

Missing the picture for Ashnod's Altar for starting hands?

@nikos731 4 жыл бұрын

I have never seen a Pernicius Deed stay that long in a game before!!!

@malloryab 4 жыл бұрын

Seemed like a secret super-friends deck instead of sliver tribal

@Slyguy46 4 жыл бұрын

Risky keep for Michael, essentially a one lander.

@kevinhanson9826 4 жыл бұрын

Rules question. At the end with Dack Fayden's emblem, wouldn't the single target cyclonic rift gain control of the tamiyo first and then fail to resolve due to the target being a nonland permanent you control?

@HakureiIllusion 4 жыл бұрын

Correct.

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

You're correct. It didn't make too much of a difference, though... the game was in the bag the moment Elijah got the Omniscience emblem.

@palm0607 2 жыл бұрын

This is by far my favorite....new to commander (wanting to play slivers) first time seeing Mind's Dilation and surprised how long such a vard stayed on the field....but it help Elijah casting his planeswalker and having them bounce back to hand....I like Elijah's play style, I don't like the combo version of slivers, but this build was very interesting

@aidanhavey1959 4 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah, Yidris is always fun to watch

@jacoblaplante4719 4 жыл бұрын

Those first few turns looked like CEDH countering powerful spells so quickly 😂

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

A lot of people missed the "until your next turn" part of the goad effect... Trevor goaded Dan's creatures the turn before his own, so the moment Trevor untapped, they were no longer goaded. Mirror Entity was NOT forced to attack.

@ferventalchemist 4 жыл бұрын

That Niambi playmat is sick.

@MTG_Brewzl 4 жыл бұрын

Well, First thought: ahh nice slivers, again finally. Too sad that he will bite the dust early. Final thought: suprise! Sliver superfriends punched everyone face 🤣😅

@Bobthedeckbuilder 4 жыл бұрын

There is no link for the rankle deck in the description

@lehandroz 4 жыл бұрын

@13:30 Why didn't the Mirror Entity attack? Didn't it have Goad during that round?

@liljundy413 4 жыл бұрын

9:47 which you can pay 2, tap and sacrifice it to search for a basic and put onto field tapped

@robertbolea4341 2 жыл бұрын

Where was the ashnods altar in michaels hand?

@curtissearle6462 4 жыл бұрын

Oh ya Obliterate super cool 🖓 rest of the video was great tho as always!

@PalPlays 4 жыл бұрын

Who has a playmat of Niambi? I want to hear the story around that.

@adamrawn2063 4 жыл бұрын

SPICY plays in this one...!

@DiabloTommaso 3 жыл бұрын

So many question xD wtf is obliterate doing in a sliver deck?

@newtpondskipper 4 жыл бұрын

As a Sliver fan this made me happy. I've been Archenemy for playing slivers so this impressed the heck out of me.

@curio_sphere 4 жыл бұрын

I really don't understand why ANYTIME Muddstah (or anyone) says "Wooded foothills" my brain thinks "Footed woodhills"WHY? He said that ONCE in a video I watched like 6months ago, plz brain stop

@ouimeta 4 жыл бұрын

Me too man

@cameronmadison1008 4 жыл бұрын

How was he able to swing with the clone legion copies the turn it was cast? It doesn't give haste and the creatures that it copied don't have haste.

@lgroh880 4 жыл бұрын

Finally a sliver deck!!!!

@awesomeness4325 4 жыл бұрын

What card is it that’s allowing his planeswalkers to enter with that many loyalty counters on them?

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

Doubling Season

@Optimator7 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@thatonescarecrow4692 4 жыл бұрын

Wasn't Dan supposed to swing with Mirror Entity at 12 turn too? Copies yes, even though they had haste, weren't on the field when Disrupt Decorum occurred, but all the rest must've attack Elijah.

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

Goad only works "until your next turn". Trevor cast Disrupt Decorum just before his turn, so he could mess with Elijah's combat step, but by the time Dan got his turn, the goad effect had already ended.

@Razorfrost55 4 жыл бұрын

They’re goaded until his next turn, which since he cast it in the middle of the turn before him, the effect would be done

@rhainex5952 4 жыл бұрын

So when a Planeswalker came Into play their counters were doubled because of doubling season right ? Was that how he was able to ult the Planeswalkers ?

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

Yup!

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Doubling Season was printed at a time when planeswalkers didn't exist as actual cards, and because of its wording, it causes PWs to enter the battlefield with twice the usual amount of loyalty counters (it doesn't double the loyalty gain from their + abilities, though, as these counters are put as the cost, not the effect). For most planeswalkers, this means entering the battlefield ready to ult.

@Thekapo8 4 жыл бұрын

What happened in 4:39? Michael casted dismember on hivelord and it died? Isn't the hivelord indestructible?

@hiddenleaf414 4 жыл бұрын

Dismember gives -5/-5. Indestructible creatures still die from any negative toughness effects if their toughness reaches 0.

@Skydrawill48 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't trevor goad all creatures? Why didn't Mirror Entity attack?

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

Trevor goaded the creatures the turn before his, so the moment he untapped, the goad effect ended.

@chaostrife44 4 жыл бұрын

I think there should have been 4 total dark deals, the original, fury storm, and two commander storm copies since Trevor cast a commander two times.

@nanoacido5174 4 жыл бұрын

Dan's deck was pretty cool.

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

The deck was actually Trevor's. Dan borrowed it.

@AidanWR 4 жыл бұрын

Man, this is an expensive, but pretty game

@Closer2Zero 4 жыл бұрын

that Sliver deck was awesome, and as much fun as land destruction is, that card is such a great pick for his deck cause he can pretty much always have his commander ready to keep his board alive. Then that Tamiyo emblem follow was just perfect timing. I LOVe Slivers, so im was so happy to see it go off like that

@keithfilibeck2390 4 жыл бұрын

I think Krosan Grip doesn't allow you to cast any cards with Cascade off it...

@TCG9777 4 жыл бұрын

Ur right

@oscarmadera8267 4 жыл бұрын

Slick game

@AidanWR 4 жыл бұрын

Elijah should have attacked with the Cloudshredder Sliver at 12:57 because it has haste

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

It entered the battlefield after the goad spell resolved, so it the goad effect doesn't apply to it.

@bedwarssweat6205 4 жыл бұрын

I saw that Ikra Vialsmasher in the thumbnail and I clicked faster than a mouse on drugs

@themtgaccords6030 4 жыл бұрын

Same lol

@TCG9777 4 жыл бұрын

What???

@ivorymantis1026 3 жыл бұрын

Good table, but everyone blew their control so early in the game that it kept certain "kill on sight" cards like Razaketh and Mind's Dilation on the field for much too long.

@hiddenleaf414 4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t there be 4 Dark Deals? 1 from the original cast. 1 from the original Fury Storm. 2 from Trevor casting each of his commanders.

@ahoyturtle 4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't Dan have protected his creatures several times by activating Mirror Entity? He had a Sliver Hivelord clone, after all.

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, he could.

@Ramschat 3 жыл бұрын

I think at 13:30 Mirror entity was goaded and should have attacked

@stevenbuck4090 4 жыл бұрын

The mirror entity was goaded so should have attacked on the same turn as the other creatures.

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

Trevor cast it on Elijah's turn. Goad only lasts until the casters next turn, which was Trevor's turn immediately after Elijah's.

@Wizardofexisting 4 жыл бұрын

Man, only a few minutes in, but it looks like the Rankle player is a little outclassed.

@amethystwyvern 4 жыл бұрын

He kept a risky hand and it didnt pay off

@FrancisJamal 4 жыл бұрын

Refering to Micheals Turn 2: why didnt he tap the swamp and then sacrafice it for lake of the dead, so he could play Dreadhorde Invasion?

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

Having not been present at the filming for this game, my best guess was that he thought Lake of the Dead had the same restriction as the Karoo lands?

@FrancisJamal 4 жыл бұрын

@@MTGMuddstah Probably, my secont thought was maybe keeping it to discard Razaketh eot to get it back with Reanimate, but he discarded Kozilek, so that was not the case. So worst case, just a possible missplay.

@crovax1375 4 жыл бұрын

@15:08 ...he activates the what now?!!

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

The Deed for three?

@xDukii 2 жыл бұрын

why is no one attacking after obliterate... wtf

@Dragonfirexix 4 жыл бұрын

Ok yeah everyone here is pointing stuff out but I'd just like to say... WHAT A GAME HOLY HELL THE CHAOS

@toastlauncher 4 жыл бұрын

One of the most hateful games ever on the channel, appreciate you posting it.

@vaultdweller1009 4 жыл бұрын

Generic Goblin First!

@coolervogel5603 4 жыл бұрын

I think in this game you can see really well why people hate mass landdestruction... die game went way longer. and took many turns after the obliterate

@ouimeta 4 жыл бұрын

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.

@Closer2Zero 4 жыл бұрын

Dan, why u bully? why u bully michael :P

@92bagder 4 жыл бұрын

this pod was cutthroat

@CA-zn8hu 4 жыл бұрын

Interactive =/= cutthroat

@N1GHTH4WK986 4 жыл бұрын

Slivers win!!! Yeeeesssss!!!

@adamharm6421 4 жыл бұрын

Man, 4 ad breaks in a 20 min video...

@TCG9777 4 жыл бұрын

There was? I didn't see a single ad

@thaddeuspaulbrillantes2482 4 жыл бұрын

I type this comment, and pass my turn.

@Isheian 4 жыл бұрын

On your endstep flutters....

@emctwoo 4 жыл бұрын

The blowing up of waste not instead of minds dialation is triggering me. Micheal was pretty dead anyway, but why not Grip the far scarier thing that gives insane value to a player who has lands??

@isaoblack987 4 жыл бұрын

We're going to resolve three Dark Deals and you want to leave Waste Not on the field?

@Moose00019 4 жыл бұрын

Right?! Omg, MD is one of those "kill on sight" cards. First two things here for were Lili and bolas walkers, huge value for doing nothing.

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

Waste Not was the bigger threat at the moment. As someone else commented, the amount of value Michael could have gained after the three Dark Deals resolved was pretty insane. There was a good chance he could have won with it.

@Moose00019 4 жыл бұрын

@@isaoblack987 I thought it was just the one deal. My bad

@frycook813 4 жыл бұрын

Counter point: the person who chose to triple the number of wheels was the same one who destroyed waste not and not minds dilation. He wanted to use his copy spell, I get it, but there is a reason mind’s dilation is 7(I think) mana. Sometimes people get caught up about the use it or lose it feel when a wheel Is on The stack

@andresflores1782 4 жыл бұрын

So disappointed in these rankle games. They never do anything.

@Drazatis 4 жыл бұрын

The deck has a lot of potential but it always seems to fizzle, I personally like him more than Braids.

@andresflores1782 4 жыл бұрын

@@Drazatis I run rankle reanimation with some discard and it always seems to be extremely oppressive and controls the table quite well. In these videos the player just sits there and does nothing the whole game. Feels bad.

@inklorde2853 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed my rankle decks is very controlling as well but he made it look foolish ...but if his waste not didn’t get destroyed he would’ve been good after he played dark deal

@amethystwyvern 4 жыл бұрын

I run overlord but slivers ftw

@Isheian 4 жыл бұрын

That’s cause hivelord is random and Overlord is toolbox ftw. Need an effect? Three generic and it’s in your hand!

@QjoWilwolf 4 жыл бұрын

Threat assessment was really bad in this game. There were too many wasted opportunities to destroy Mind's Dilation

@johnkidby7948 2 жыл бұрын

I was rooting for the slivers until it turned out to be Superfriends...

@CarronBarboza 4 жыл бұрын

I don’t like mass land destruction (note, not targeted) for the very reason seen in this game. Lots of passing and slowing down the game.

@TCG9777 4 жыл бұрын

Gotta have patience my friend

@ouimeta 4 жыл бұрын

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.

@luna6315 4 жыл бұрын

lots of mulligans this week

@thesxex 4 жыл бұрын

seeing my name on screen and hearing you say it gives me anxiety

@TCG9777 4 жыл бұрын

Laughing my ass off with these butthurt MLD comments XD Slow down the game or not, I'm here to cripple you and win!

@mtgsus 4 жыл бұрын

That obliterate, ugh.. Just disgusting. Even didn't win him the game straight on. "Draws & Passes" was all I heard for several turns.

@TCG9777 4 жыл бұрын

But he won. Doesn't matter now.

@ouimeta 4 жыл бұрын

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.

@loganl8440 4 жыл бұрын

This game shows why MLD is unpopular.

@MTGMuddstah 4 жыл бұрын

I don't mind it at all when used properly. I think this is an example of that.

@loganl8440 4 жыл бұрын

@@MTGMuddstah See and I'm of the complete opposite opinion. After it was cast players didn't do anything for quite a few rounds. It didn't end the game decisively, it dragged it out and was somewhat luck that the casting player pulled it off in the end.

@Isheian 4 жыл бұрын

Logan L Don’t Carr what anyone says: lucks a part of the game. MLD is a legit strategy, if you don’t like it don’t run it. Otherwise accept it and move on.

@loganl8440 4 жыл бұрын

@@Isheian I mean, I'm not bashing him for playing it. I'm just saying this instance shows precisely why people don't like it. It can cause the game to slow to a crawl.

@TCG9777 4 жыл бұрын

I enjoy watching most people scoop to a reset button in my local setting. Yeah it makes the game slow down, but also has it end just as fast XDXD Starting the next pod!

@peewee130946 4 жыл бұрын

Easily the worst swan song I’ve ever seen

@greengandalfziggy1 4 жыл бұрын

Another "3 player game"...*sigh* Why does this happen so often on this channel? Is this playgroup afraid of lands or ramp? Do they constantly keep risky hands?

@kaedenparten9126 2 жыл бұрын

You sound fun to be around.

@DarkEinherjar 4 жыл бұрын

WORST. OBLITERATE. EVER. What's the point of wiping the board if your indestructible creatures can't attack and your opponent still has an enchantment that lets him cast your spells for free? NEVER cast MLD if you're not sure you'll win immediately afterwards, because this is the result when you don't: a very boring "draw, go" cycle until someone topdecks their way out of it. I don't care that Elijah still won; that Obliterate was awful and ruined the end of what had been a great game up until that point.

@TCG9777 4 жыл бұрын

Who cares tho

@ouimeta 4 жыл бұрын

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.

@Coxgix7 4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, casting an out of nowhere mass land destruction spell when you're not set to win the game, just to make the game unbearably long and annoying for everyone involved. That sounds fun right?

@marceloquejinho 4 жыл бұрын

I am usually on the same page as you, but the Sliver player here kind of used it as a Win con It is not the same as playing Armageddon turn four just because you don't have anything else to do (as some guys in my LGS used to do)

@TCG9777 4 жыл бұрын

Was about to say, did you finish the video? lolz

@adamrawn2063 4 жыл бұрын

I draw a card and 'pass' on this comment

@ouimeta 4 жыл бұрын

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.