The Tragic State of The Finals Season 3

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slorgs

slorgs

Ай бұрын

The Finals Season 3 continues to add more gimmick weapons and content in the vague hope it will somehow fix the real issues with the game, and it makes me sad.
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@ember3527
@ember3527 Ай бұрын
What annoys me is he's acting like he knows the game so well and just gets things wrong (e.g. he said throwing knives were added in season 2)
@Oopsie_05
@Oopsie_05 Ай бұрын
That’s what I’m saying, and he keeps calling the bow a cross bow
@4TheWinQuinn
@4TheWinQuinn Ай бұрын
The crossbow thing was infuriating me.
@creationfied
@creationfied Ай бұрын
that does not at all invalidate what he says
@dnsjtoh
@dnsjtoh Ай бұрын
Yeah, Lewis gun isn’t meta anymore either. He doesn’t really know the meta at all.
@ember3527
@ember3527 Ай бұрын
@@creationfied I wasn't arguing about what he said, although I disagree with it somewhat most likely agreeing with a lot of viewers. I was purely describing what annoyed me as you can see from the start of the comment. Stfu
@3tap
@3tap Ай бұрын
"its not another unreal engine game" does... does he know?
@aldoeljardinero
@aldoeljardinero Ай бұрын
The UE hate train is a joke
@unwono
@unwono Ай бұрын
He said ASSET FLIP which is what even the new BodyCam game has partially done
@c4tohagen
@c4tohagen Ай бұрын
also "new developer" is wrong, Embark was launched with many of the original DICE members that did the early Battlefield games...This is really the old DICE but new studio name.
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow Ай бұрын
it looks so UE
@H3nry2077
@H3nry2077 Ай бұрын
@@c4tohagen when people say new developer they are not referring to the people but to the group... (Embark Studios), so yes, they are new developers.
@stickdude1420
@stickdude1420 Ай бұрын
What is tragic about this video is the loud malding of a game that has good devs
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Ай бұрын
we don't deserve embark
@Val-Yob
@Val-Yob Ай бұрын
Good devs actually listen.
@the_very_cozy_burrito
@the_very_cozy_burrito Ай бұрын
​@@Val-Yob which they do
@somfierce
@somfierce 20 күн бұрын
Legitimately
@jumpscare_jack7412
@jumpscare_jack7412 Күн бұрын
@@the_very_cozy_burritoThey don’t. People have been asking for the ability to change Specialization and classes mid-game since beta, and Embark has yet to even address the possibility of that function.
@janlukegabriel
@janlukegabriel Ай бұрын
At the end of the day, what matters is that YOU PLAY THE GAME. Forget about popularity. I often hear people comparing this to the slow, low key, early days of Apex Legends. So long as we’re here, that’s all that matters.
@lum1notryc828
@lum1notryc828 Ай бұрын
Apex was anything but owley at launch 😂😂
@RayInOrbit
@RayInOrbit Ай бұрын
@@lum1notryc828 it was slow. 2-3 were its lowest points, 4+ it took off, s7 and it going on steam gave it a huge push.
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Ай бұрын
@@lum1notryc828 EA used to pay streamers a lot of money just to play the game because of low pop there was a time when twitch barely had people playing apex because the hype was over, apex almost lost all it's player base in the first year of release, but they managed to revert that overtime, now it's popular as hell
@stikkiet1718
@stikkiet1718 Ай бұрын
@@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Covid came in clutch for the game
@thefirsttrillionaire2925
@thefirsttrillionaire2925 Ай бұрын
@@Kimjong-disco-pc9tiyea season 1 was DEAAAD
@ThisIsGlitch
@ThisIsGlitch Ай бұрын
Not every game needs a meta, we can have stuff only for fun
@taru3374
@taru3374 Ай бұрын
You're missing the point. Every game has a meta. It just matters how much The meta controls the game. For example tf2 the weapons that are meta aren't usually much better than the worst weapons. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule (Uber saw, kunai). The problem with the finals meta is there are obviously better options that if you don't pick just puts you in such a disadvantage that the game almost becomes unplayable (knife,sniper,ks23)
@oldisgoldmentality4667
@oldisgoldmentality4667 Ай бұрын
its depends on the player not on the game, but when competitive players play the meta it ruins everything for ppl trying to try new stuf and have fun, so its better for the game devs to balance stuff out
@dominus_76
@dominus_76 Ай бұрын
@@oldisgoldmentality4667 if those comp players r playing ranked (which they prob will be) with meta weapons, it doesnt "ruin" anything because ppl r playing with RP on the line. if you dont like playing meta that's fine and all, just do not cry because someone is using said meta weapon.
@taru3374
@taru3374 Ай бұрын
@@oldisgoldmentality4667 yeah and the finals is not a single player game. When you try to use something like the ks23 all you do is get destroyed because the ks23 is dog shit. Even if it's a casual game, the point is still to win. And if the point is still to win, you're going to use the better weapons, the better class and the better equipment.
@oldisgoldmentality4667
@oldisgoldmentality4667 Ай бұрын
​@@dominus_76 its not about me, i'm against the meta weapons and not comp players , comp players always going for meta stuff , diverse weapons and tools will bring more fun, they should balance equipments more or having economic system for weapons , that all, don't u agree ?
@jamesfischer8667
@jamesfischer8667 Ай бұрын
"They added throwing knives in season 2." This guy clearly knows very little about the game.
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Ай бұрын
yeah i was like "smh" for half of the video
@totez241
@totez241 Ай бұрын
Same dude is an absolute idiot season 3 is awesome
@windupperson712
@windupperson712 Ай бұрын
The game isn’t as competitive as you think it is. The new weapons are for FUN. F-U-N I know it’s a long forgotten word in this current tryhard era where everyone is trying to be the best player in the match, but it’s meant to be fun and change up the way you normally play.
@JeuneF
@JeuneF Ай бұрын
But it doesn’t make sense when the targeted players base for a game like this should clearly be the competitive one. But they completely neglect these players, and we see the result through the player count even tho it has so much potential.
@JingMitsuyamaCH
@JingMitsuyamaCH Ай бұрын
@@JeuneFIt wasn’t. People that were too shit to play CoD and failed TTV Apex players played this game and made it a sweat fest for literally no reason
@JeuneF
@JeuneF Ай бұрын
@@JingMitsuyamaCH bro “it wasn’t” doesn’t answer to ANYTHING I’ve said tf are you on ? If you’re making a 3v3v3v3 fast paced FPS based around teamplay of course you’re going to attract tryhards, it just logic. It’s like playing a BR and cry about sweats… And I liked the finals at first, not because I’m too bad at CoD, but CoD is too bad to be played
@haarisbutt2075
@haarisbutt2075 Ай бұрын
@@JeuneF the devs themselves said they didnt want to focus on the game being competitive what do you mean
@creationfied
@creationfied Ай бұрын
how u supposed to have fun when you get railed by people using other weapons
@joethepotato972
@joethepotato972 Ай бұрын
what is this dude bawling about ffs
@savioar2743
@savioar2743 Ай бұрын
Everyone is confused as you are 😂
@PracticallyBlind
@PracticallyBlind Ай бұрын
I understood nothing from this video, like do you want new content to shake things up or not and have it still be “stale”? The whole point to adding and changing things is to experiment with the game and what it can do yet people look at that fact and cry like it’s ruined the game to try different or similar things
@jackothelantern
@jackothelantern Ай бұрын
Exactly. Any time there is a change like a weapons damage or how a gadget works or if they make the heavy’s foot longer by 5mm, there is a sea of youtubers and shitty light players that start dooming. Personally I’m really enjoying the update. I think making the competitive cashout mode have a more casual progression was a great idea, and the weapons and balance changes were tight. (Still I think the spear is waaay too strong and can acknowledge it without pointing at steamchart numbers like it means something)
@honeythefunnybadger3418
@honeythefunnybadger3418 Ай бұрын
I've been a fan for a long time, Slorgs, but I don't agree with a lot of points in this video. It's a shame you're not enjoying the current state of the game, but not every game needs an "Overwatch" or "Csgo" mindset. Cashout is still the CORE game mode. They’ve been separated into two categories, and now Cashout will receive more attention since it has its own space and progression. We’ll even get new custom map modifications exclusively for the World Tour! Terminal Attack works really well as a "classic ranked mode" that appeals to other competitive players, with its two sites and bomb type of gameplay. It’s really sad that some major voices are discrediting the game before the season has even started! A couple of things I wanted to add: I don't personally think melee weapons are unviable in ranked, and I wouldn’t say that adding new "gimmicks" is a bad thing. This season proves that Embark is working on both new content and the whole ranked system. Check out the video on the official The Finals KZfaq channel; it may not have been out when you posted this video. Not every game needs a meta or perks. Saying the game is a breath of fresh air and a good thing, and then making a video suggesting it will die, doesn’t help your beloved game. "If people want to support us, we will live; otherwise, we’ll die." I won’t dislike the video or unfollow you because this is your channel and your view, and I’m here for it. Love you, slorgs, and I hope to see you in the arena soon.
@UndeadRage25
@UndeadRage25 Ай бұрын
I think the reason why some people like the terminal attack is because you as an individual have more impact on the game and don't have to have those team mates that work with you because let's be honest most don't.
@Scarcheeze
@Scarcheeze Ай бұрын
True,that's one i notice it.they have a main character syndrome.
@JeuneF
@JeuneF Ай бұрын
When you’re playing on platinum/diamond most people play with team mates tho… What the point to make a ranked game mode that doesn’t aim to rewards teamwork especially when the game emphasis on that aspect ?
@jazcatraz1568
@jazcatraz1568 Ай бұрын
it's funny how he said that lights were useless in this game. i played all my placements today and most people were running lights with the bow and LH1 and they were crazy good. they are really sneaky and can one-two shot you.
@Mightywaterbear
@Mightywaterbear Ай бұрын
This dude could have waited two days to ACTUALLY play the new season before making an opinion but he’d rather be sad I guess?
@sanji1259
@sanji1259 Ай бұрын
he did play it no? what is he wrong about?
@gonewthworld7055
@gonewthworld7055 Ай бұрын
Everything ​@@sanji1259
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Ай бұрын
@@sanji1259 he played an hour of it and from the looks of this video he doesn't play the game all that much
@slappyjo1046
@slappyjo1046 Ай бұрын
Im tired of yt yapping about how bad the game is when you can just have fun
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow Ай бұрын
you sound like you're happy in life /s
@jordanangell9822
@jordanangell9822 Ай бұрын
The FINALS is for FUN.... its a game where you can choose what you want to use and play in a creative way... it is NOT a HARDCORE all weapons have to be super balanced competitive game... IF the game wanted to target and focus the game towards MOSTLY the competitive scene... IT WOULDN'T HAVE GONE THE ROUTE OF BUILD AND MIX THESE SUPER OVER THE TOP CRAZY MECHANICS TOGETHER IN ANY WAY YOU WANT.... you pick what you want, you blow shxt up and you watch the chaos ensue... that is the game... and yes you try to win...
@Daniel_Vital
@Daniel_Vital Ай бұрын
If you want to win, because there is a ranked mode in the game, who wins? A light machine gun with 70 rounds or a stick?
@jordanangell9822
@jordanangell9822 Ай бұрын
@@Daniel_Vital dont use the stick in ranked than... pretty simple...
@MudkipPog
@MudkipPog 23 күн бұрын
Except none of that ever happens because it's a sweat fest and nobody strays from the meta even in the lowest elo lobbies because the devs never rebalance anything
@cannedtoes
@cannedtoes Ай бұрын
for someone who talks about content creators playing the event then leaving you dont sound like you play the finals to a competitive extent at all and just login every once in a while, the finals doesn't even use a proprietary engine it's literally just Unreal Engine 5
@Hamiltron_
@Hamiltron_ Ай бұрын
I can’t get on board with all these negative sentiments, not just from you, but from a number of loud voices in this space. I have so much fun with this game across all the changes as they’ve been on-going. I love that I have to adapt to something fresh every week. Will I like every change? Probably not, but through every change made, I always have fun every session. I don’t know what the recipe is that has achieved that, but I love it and can’t wait to see what comes next.
@terrenceholmes813
@terrenceholmes813 Ай бұрын
And who are to decide what is quote fun??
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Ай бұрын
@@terrenceholmes813 right back at ya, who are you to decide it too? For me the game is at it's best and improving, I'm really excited about everything announced. Negativity will not fix the game, embark know what's right for the game, I'm just gonna let them cook and enjoy the game for what it is.
@Ace01010
@Ace01010 Ай бұрын
Absolutely feel the same! and at the same time that doesn’t mean people aren’t going to have completely different reactions and responses on the matter, whether they align with your views or not and sometimes you might find yourself agreeing with some points and disagreeing with others.
@jazcatraz1568
@jazcatraz1568 Ай бұрын
@@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti amen brotha
@creature44
@creature44 Ай бұрын
The more you crap on the game on KZfaq, the less people are gonna play. Season 3 is awesome, the new map is BEAUTIFUL and super fun to play, yeah the melee weapons are kinda busted rn and TA isnt the best choice for ranked, but it’s still the same finals we know and love. Cashout on World Tour is still good sweaty fun. Idk what everyone’s b**ching about honestly. The last thing prospective players need to see is “the tragic state of season 3” like cmon, this type of stuff is killing the player base.
@THiiXY
@THiiXY Ай бұрын
Yo Slorgs! Thanks for the review! A shame to hear that you're not enjoying the state of the game, especially when I remember we had a great talk a few seasons ago on the state of the game etc with some suggestions on improving it, and it's gone further away from what you've envisioned. Even though I felt a little personally attacked at the start, I don't think you were directing it to me, as I live and breathe this game, but I know of some that only post update videos etc and agree that they highy likely don't actually play the game lol. You've raised a tonne of concerns, some of them I agree with but from my perspective this is still a casual game, yes a very sweaty one sometimes lol. I've been speaking to comp players and it's not really about the weapons, gadgets etc being added, it's moreso the balancing of those weapons. Of course we can disagree and that's 100% fine, but just wanted to add my 10 cents that I don't see anything wrong with Embark adding weapons for players on casual focus, that enjoy modes such as PowerShift, BankIt, Cashout and (hopefully) if those casual players did want to extend into competitive, World Tour. Appreciate the feedback and it's great talking points to think about, perks sound like an interesting idea that I've like to hear further about :)
@hitchh
@hitchh Ай бұрын
@THiiXY Really admire how you're open to constructive criticism! It shows a lot of maturity and a genuine desire to improve. Keep up the great work, looking forward to seeing you grow even more!
@vitorhugodelsantoro1741
@vitorhugodelsantoro1741 Ай бұрын
As you said, you truly live and breathe the game. Thank you for your effort and energy, I would do anything to have this game up forever. I fell in love with The Finals, and I see it like a baby growing, becoming more mature. They add new things, new weapons, and they give us options. Of course, a stick will be in a disadvantage in a lot of situations against an Fcar or AK, but the option is there. And, yes, a lot of players make it work by changing their playstyle. For example, I used to hate the flamethrower, but when Powershift came, that weapon became my main for Heavy class. Another example is the Throwing Knives, this thing is amazing, it challenges you to play a whole different game. They made it viable increasing the hate of fire, so they are trying to balance things (as they do almost every weekly update). I have to agree that TA is a bad game mode and the maps are not prepared for this type of playstyle. I came from CS, playing since 2018, and that is the last thing I want to play. But at the same time, I'm glad that the cashout mode is present in a whole new concept. In my opinion, they are trying to give the main mode new horizons and be friendly with new players. At the end of the day, The Finals didn't promise much (advertising) and is delivering a lot. For me, time is this game's best friend. It's the best game I played in years, and that's what matters to me.
@Maestro1886
@Maestro1886 Ай бұрын
It amuses me that you said world tour is venturing into competitive
@chickenmcfly2133
@chickenmcfly2133 Ай бұрын
I I trust thixy opinion more on this game cause he actually has videos about it on his yt.. this guy has a video about it every time a new season starts… to me he’s just looking for more views on his videos.
@preyaskhuntia2190
@preyaskhuntia2190 Ай бұрын
i love the the concept of the new and probably will have a great time with them but this is the 2nd season where embark added mid weapons in terms of viability. The meta has been the same since the game came out, you'd probably want it to change at some point no? At the end of s3 it'll be 9 months with the same meta, more if you include beta.
@BethanyHaile-ti5ih
@BethanyHaile-ti5ih Ай бұрын
correct me if im wrong but didn't the devs say that cashout will eventually come to ranked
@xenykX
@xenykX Ай бұрын
Then what the point of TA
@capolean2902
@capolean2902 Ай бұрын
that’s wat world tour is for their gonna work from there which is probably better than rank
@Ivanov_397
@Ivanov_397 Ай бұрын
@@xenykX As a stand in. They said they were planning massive changes to cashout and didn't want to do it when it was the competitive gamemode that people were trying to grind.
@gex3922
@gex3922 Ай бұрын
yeah the devs said it wasnt going to be ranked this season because they want to be able to balance the mode better
@BethanyHaile-ti5ih
@BethanyHaile-ti5ih Ай бұрын
@@xenykXto give them time untill they balance cashout enough to let it be a ranked mode
@shanealvarez2279
@shanealvarez2279 Ай бұрын
Honestly i have none of these issues solo queue and all, the game is just fun, everyone looking for meta this is the wrong game, and also the ttk issues, not every game needs to be cod or battlefield, and ive played since beta, Yes ranked is meta but all the other game modes are fun And ive gotten to gold with the riot sheild, yet not sweaty enough to try n do it till diamond cuz i okay the game for fun
@cameronmays5422
@cameronmays5422 Ай бұрын
Its gonna be real funny when you see ruby players that use exclusively melee weapons. There are meta weapons and there are meta builds. The finals has meta weapons like the Ak and the throwing knives and the lewis among its aeaplns. But then there are builds that utilize those "non-meta" weapons like the dodge being used with the sword. Your entire video about the weapons being 'gimmicky' and non meta like is assinine, close-minded, and downright idiotic. If you need weapons to be 'meta' go back to cod. Ive seen entire teams melted with a heavy with a sledge or a medium with a riot shield.
@jazcatraz1568
@jazcatraz1568 Ай бұрын
yeah fr, the "meta" is your playstyle. the weapons, or rather "gimmick" like he said are there for you to try out and make use of it.
@Makowako_
@Makowako_ Ай бұрын
I pushed to diamond with riot shield and for every two ish gun users I see a sledge or sword, they are the minority but not by much, melee weapons are very meta.
@biosdilt1399
@biosdilt1399 Ай бұрын
"I've played this game since the alpha, and ever since the alpha I've thoroughly enjoyed it. I've been blown away by how impressive the game is as a whole and the actual potential of this game" I think that's all that matters. The new weapons and gadgets still seem to have a place in the game, and are hard to judge after playing them for barely 2h.
@KaboHammer
@KaboHammer Ай бұрын
Gotta be honest I feel like your expirience with the Finals is completely different than mine. Casual matches are not really competetive at all and you can do great with any weapon in them. Sure it might be hard in ranked to do much with them, but on other modes everything goes really. Also the cashout gamemode is said to still be the main focus of the game so in other words that means that ranked isn't actually the core gamemode, but World Tour and it just feels strange to me that people cannot accept that, because it is a different way of counting rank.
@galaxygaming667
@galaxygaming667 Ай бұрын
Why is everyone so worried about the finals especially season 3 just give it a chance gees
@mrturner4620
@mrturner4620 Ай бұрын
Nobody is, this guy is just a dumbass
@MudkipPog
@MudkipPog 23 күн бұрын
Because the game's playerbase is slowly tapering off and will continue to do so. Season 3 barely even caused a blip on steamcharts. The only players left are the die hard copers in this very comment section and clearly the game hardly gets new players. Hasn't even been out for a year btw. Not exactly good signs for a free game. If you're having fun, good for you. But if the game wants to live and not shut down by late 2025 it needs to actually do something to bring in and captivate new players.
@pratyushkongalla8928
@pratyushkongalla8928 24 күн бұрын
all the weapons he mentioned "useless" are actually being used a lot
@janlukegabriel
@janlukegabriel Ай бұрын
We don’t need perks, and we definitely don’t need a power creep. The meta is a bit stale yes, but it works and I’m not really sure how to shake it up besides perks and load outs. This ain’t COD But I do agree I hate terminal attack too… In Embark we trust, Cashout is still here.
@mohitbhole6781
@mohitbhole6781 Ай бұрын
Thank you.
@BlueBeats169
@BlueBeats169 Ай бұрын
I feel like a passive ability for each class could work
@Ivanov_397
@Ivanov_397 Ай бұрын
They said that cashout will be returning as the ranked mode. TA is just a stand in while they rework some parts of cashout I believe one of the devs said this.
@thehalvening8942
@thehalvening8942 Ай бұрын
Secondary weapons would be good
@kieranmaiden
@kieranmaiden Ай бұрын
I hate that nearly every game has a meta now because it honestly boxes them into never being able to release genuinely fun content for casual players. As soon as a game comes out now people are trying to min/max the game through the roof and it makes the casual playerbase drop slowly. It also makes so that theres basically a set amount of weapons to use and if you try something else you'll get slapped by people who do use the meta weapons. Especially in the finals (where there is no money invested by the player) it's honestly simpler to drop the free game than it is to box yourself into like 3 weapons and have 0 fun. People tend to fight for a game once their cash is invested and in this case people don't care because it's free. It's almost a shame but they're shooting themselves in the foot with the direction they're taking. As it were, slorgs you're a legend mate. Keep it funky keep it fresh keep it 94.9FM my guy.
@kieranmaiden
@kieranmaiden Ай бұрын
Yeah maybe it's just inherent to a game that has melee vs guns. Seems like an insanely delicate balance that would be almost impossible to get right. Just getting tired of meta gaming, not everyone has like 84 hours a week to get that good at the game. Every time a competetive game comes out there is a huge number of people that fall behind the skill curve because literally half the playerbases are jobless people or streamers with entire days to play and the other half are regular people with jobs and families.
@travisreedii9974
@travisreedii9974 Ай бұрын
"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out a game... [Thus] one of the responsibilities of designers is to protect the player from themselves" -Soren Johnson. It doesn't matter if the game is competitive or not, it is the way a lot of players are. A game being competitive just culminates all of those players who do optimize fun out of their games and grinds them into each other until a meta is found. With that said The Finals continues to do it's responsibility to protect players by giving players so many fun options to choose from. This dude is just coping cause he is unfortunately one of the optimizing players.
@creationfied
@creationfied Ай бұрын
the whole reason people use meta weapons is because its fun to win
@kieranmaiden
@kieranmaiden Ай бұрын
@@travisreedii9974 Yeah I guess there's there's no winning this one, there will always be those people and they have every right to play the games how they want aswell. I'm just always going to hate that mentality and love the fun in games instead of the sweaty grind to be the best. Edit: I certainly hope you're not referencing me as an "optimizing player", you'd have it all wrong.
@kieranmaiden
@kieranmaiden Ай бұрын
@@creationfied illustrating my point even further, if you don't use them you're more likely to lose. What's the point in the "non-meta" ones then other than to create a binary where you have basically walking targets for all the better guns and people using them. It takes the competitiveness out and just dumps on people trying to have fun and be a bit different to every other person.
@SomeA-1
@SomeA-1 Ай бұрын
So people who only shit talk the game got early access but actual fans of the game didn't huh
@TriFekt
@TriFekt Ай бұрын
So, the real reasons the Finals fell off. 1 the game is harder than the braindead shooters that are super popular. See xdefiant/CoD. 2. There were tons of server issues / cheaters that drove a lot of people away from the game. 3. There is fatigue from hero shooters in general, and the finals technically is one. Ultimately, the game has enough of a dedicated fanbase that it will be fine. The doom and gloom everyone has for the game is unjustified if I'm being real. Just enjoy the game, and tell people how much you like the game and why they should give it a shot. That's all you can do.
@slappyjo1046
@slappyjo1046 Ай бұрын
it isn't even close to a hero shooter people are just expecting exactly what they want and complaining
@harveycritchley4038
@harveycritchley4038 Ай бұрын
People don’t want to hear it but the correct game mode is a BR.
@charleshawk6668
@charleshawk6668 Ай бұрын
You sound brain dead
@creationfied
@creationfied Ай бұрын
I mean those brain dead shooters have a much higher skill ceiling so idk why the pejorative term
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Ай бұрын
I believe this game will hit it big again by the end of the year, just a bit of marketing and like you said dedicated fans talking about it. We just need to stay positive and keep enjoying the game.
@pepacrow6794
@pepacrow6794 Ай бұрын
This person is very ignorant to say that Throwing Knives and melee weapons arent viable. A damn sword is very much capable of turning an entire match around as much as an mp5 and, in some cases, even better Throwing knives ever since the most recent buffs, they are actually insane powerful as long as you can use em effectively Daggers are a massive hit or miss but its not rare to see someone that has master it one shot entire teams But I do agree that the new ranged weapons have been pretty shite like the famas and raffica
@Makowako_
@Makowako_ Ай бұрын
I pushed to diamond with riot shield and I see plenty of sledge heavy’s there as well, the guy who made the video really doesn’t know what he’s talking about
@infinitesamurai9366
@infinitesamurai9366 Ай бұрын
The famas is busted tho
@etnam105
@etnam105 Ай бұрын
I have a friend who plays with me and smashes with the shield
@chasemaynard3055
@chasemaynard3055 Ай бұрын
It’s so sad, the finals is such a good game but it never gets traction and idk, it’s just a very well made game for how it has worked out
@janlukegabriel
@janlukegabriel Ай бұрын
At the end of the day, what matters is that YOU PLAY THE GAME. Forget about popularity. I often hear people comparing this to the slow, low key, early days of Apex Legends. So long as we’re here, that’s all that matters.
@solitary200
@solitary200 Ай бұрын
the gameplay is boring: ttk is too high, too much running around looking for action
@janlukegabriel
@janlukegabriel Ай бұрын
@@solitary200 then please explain why battle royals like warzone and Fortnite are popular
@thiefsleef6752
@thiefsleef6752 Ай бұрын
@@solitary200 its a team based game, wherever the objective is your team is going to be right beside you
@lum1notryc828
@lum1notryc828 Ай бұрын
​@@solitary200not even true
@saadsajidul9001
@saadsajidul9001 Ай бұрын
Maybe my opinion is wrong, but if these compaines are player count forecasting with data from the pandemic, this will hurt them, there are people with much less time to play game, and Finals is fun but, you cannot play alone to have this fun, you need to sweat and most people coming back from work wont want to sweat their ass off like before when they had time, this is probably an external factor in the games market right now which is why single player games are now getting more success in comparion to multiplayer games as they are much chill and already has a path chosen for you.
@CreeperPlaysGames373
@CreeperPlaysGames373 Ай бұрын
“Are you gonna pick dual katanas over an assault rifle” as a man of culture… yes. Yes I am.
@regularphill
@regularphill Ай бұрын
Why does EVERY game need to be *ESPORT READY COMPETITIVE 24/7 G FUEL* You are just not allowed to have fun in video games anymore. I don't hate this video but I hate the state of gaming these days. Don't 100% agree with ya pal. But good video.
@maymayman0
@maymayman0 Ай бұрын
Yeah id rather they add unique weapons that are fun to use instead of a new OP gun that completely forces you to conform to its meta or get destroyed. Notice how he did not mentioned the thermal bore or winch claw which are undoubtedly useful additions and the claw is honestly going to be OP.
@sanji1259
@sanji1259 Ай бұрын
mark my words, they day someone builds a PvE like helldivers2 but on a greater scale, with a competetive note, that is not important...for example team A killed 200 and did 10 objectives and team B did 150 but 25, but both won against E(from PvE) ...you make billions
@creationfied
@creationfied Ай бұрын
the intention behind adding terminal attack it is for the game to be competitive
@terrenceholmes813
@terrenceholmes813 Ай бұрын
So wen did you get to decide wats fun or not fun 🤔
@xengrapes
@xengrapes Ай бұрын
Games have casual mode buddy but games like Val the finals Fortnite have thoughs events to spice up the game and make it worth playing worth putting hours into I never really liked the finals but when I started grind8ng comp I was hooked becuase there’s a goal
@infinitesamurai9366
@infinitesamurai9366 Ай бұрын
Slorgs...my man please never try to cook again
@tethys17
@tethys17 Ай бұрын
I feel sorry for you. I've played since the beta and the finals has gotten better and better and im enjoying more and more as it goes on. You have a very pessimistic world view and I feel sorry for you that you can't enjoy the things you love. I hope you can change your outlook on life.
@rarelyaccepted
@rarelyaccepted Ай бұрын
Real
@ViennaSteeler
@ViennaSteeler Ай бұрын
Slorg, and bad takes. Name a better combo.
@Ivanov_397
@Ivanov_397 Ай бұрын
I disagree with your statement on ranked. The devs said that Terminal Attack is only a temporary ranked mode and is just a stand in while they rework some parts of cashout inside of the grand tour gamemode. Also, speaking of grand tour, it will count towards your rank from bronze to gold. It is a shame because I reached gold in like 2 weeks, but I'll definitely still main the game. You will also get multibucks for free for your placement on the Grand Tour leaderboard as well. They haven't lost their identity, but I also do agree that losing the hype while making this change could be detrimental the game. As a long time player of WW3 it is sad to see great games (that are imo way more fun than the mainstream cod and bf) fail because of a lack of players. I disagree with the meta statement. The throwing knives buff has everyone calling for nerfs for being too over powered and there are plenty of diamond 1 sword players. Also, the sniper is kind of dog in anything but power shift and power shift isn't a ranked mode. Also I play with my friend and he uses the riot shield and winning ranked is not very difficult.
@lochnesserl8654
@lochnesserl8654 Ай бұрын
Honestly just ignore videos like these and continue on with your day Also perfect clarification 👌
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Ай бұрын
I think we are about to see this game becoming the biggest game of the year if not in 2024 then in 2025, it has everything to hit big again with more marketing and the loyal fan base
@tim0735
@tim0735 Ай бұрын
Its funny because i have always thought of this game as a fun casual game where its fun to win. Its even more fun to win when you use the off meta weapons. I do agree that Terminal attack is not something i think this game should focus on. Cash out is the most gun and innovative mode in an FPS game i have ever played
@taru3374
@taru3374 Ай бұрын
The bigger problem is cash out. Has some major gameplay problems like it's one of the most slot machine game modes I've ever played. From the character select screen, who am I going to get? Oh my gosh, it's a light with a knife that will get one kill and to quit the game. Do you get spawned near the vaults or not? the map variant isn't good for your loadout. Hope you Don't get low gravity. The game mode has some inherent flaws that need fixing by testing with the whole community.
@sanji1259
@sanji1259 Ай бұрын
the spawn is predictable and pretermined...you always start on B if you die around A and always on the other side
@taru3374
@taru3374 Ай бұрын
@@sanji1259 well guess what you don't get to choose where you spawn first and yes the spawn locations are predetermined but it's random which one is first
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Ай бұрын
@@taru3374 You just summarized my complaints with ranked perfectly, it's not like cashout is bad or not fun (it's a great mode) but it needs adjustments, embark themselves knows that and that's why they put TA as a stopgap while they work on cashout for a future ranked mode. It's not like the mode is out of the game too, I can't understand why people are so upset about this.
@taru3374
@taru3374 Ай бұрын
@@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti I was so fucking annoyed when they removed the tournament. ranked tournament was so unfun when people are taking that game mode seriously it's just a cluster fuck of people trying their best to make the game as unfun as possible. That combined with how slot machine the game is does not make for a fun ranked experience. It's a really fun casual game mode that can get you into some really funny areas and scenarios. But the game is so unbalanced and dumb and frustrating in a ranked environment.
@canadian_ranger7549
@canadian_ranger7549 Ай бұрын
This such a hot take… I like what they did there’s a new meta a new map a new ranked a world tour and more. I’ve played since open beta and I have never felt the game had been lacklustre or tragic
@thehalvening8942
@thehalvening8942 Ай бұрын
Imagine if melee weapons were secondaries and sometimes randomly during a match everyone would only be able to use their melee weapons or something like that for a period of time
@DangleSan
@DangleSan Ай бұрын
They totally fucked up this new season is totally attempt to grab some of Overwatches disgruntled player base And in doing so pissed off the long time Finals players like the guy who's video this is an myself, Terminal attack is a horrible Game mode I need to know what metrics and numbers they looked at that made them think it should be the main Game mode, None of the things that make the game great come about when I'm playing It, Also the new map and the game itself is incredibly unstable now my PC now runs 2° hotter when running this game and when running Kyoto it runs 5° hotter than it ever did during season 2 same settings
@johnrodriguez-boggs9159
@johnrodriguez-boggs9159 Ай бұрын
I just realize nobody is agreeing with this dude 💀
@TerryTickleminor
@TerryTickleminor Ай бұрын
What if they make 2 different modes where they use the base season 1 weapons and abilities and a second mode where they have every weapon from current season and future seasons?
@FolkvarthrGrim
@FolkvarthrGrim Ай бұрын
I’ve never seen someone complain about a company not making every new weapon overpowered.
@TheJustinShowAndCo
@TheJustinShowAndCo Ай бұрын
The only problematic thing is switching the main game mode off of ranked. Top players will always push the meta regardless, but now the original main playlist has taken a back seat.
@finnbacon
@finnbacon Ай бұрын
This game is outstanding and I will be sticking to it. Dude saying the new content is “lackluster” is surprising to say the least.
@kylerclarke2689
@kylerclarke2689 Ай бұрын
Stepped over a worm on the sidewalk today and realized that I have more respect for it than for "Finals dead??!?" KZfaqrs. Disliked, ad blocked, deleted account, VPN, getting a lobotomy to forget watching the first two seconds of this.
@roryblackmore2328
@roryblackmore2328 Ай бұрын
At the end of the day I don’t think it’s the game devs fault the game is the way it is I think that the gaming community at large failed it. This just goes to show that people can complain about AAA devs like COD or DICE aren’t “innovating” and are releasing the same game, but when something like this came out and was actually different and “made the way games should be made” people moved on. I agree with you that it’s a shame cashout mode was dropped out of rank, but like you said the devs most likely saw an uptick in players when they made their came LESS UNIQUE is when more players came.
@SLYMM
@SLYMM Ай бұрын
"Throwing Knives are a gimmick weapon" is one of the takes on the finals for sure
@UnendingTea
@UnendingTea Ай бұрын
I could not disagree with you more. I have had nothing but fun with The Finals and am incredibly excited for the entire life cycle of this game. Season 3’s gonna be fun as hell. I have seen nothing but complaining from the content creators for the game and within the subreddit. Dude’s be talking about the game dying but I plan on being here till they either shut the servers down or Embark makes a sequel. Weapons can be not meta, that is called having fun. Gimmicks are fun and goofy to mess around with. Everyone thinks they’re the main character of every server. Sometimes sledgehammer go brrr on a house is all you need man. The Finals has quickly climbed my top games of all time, I genuinely can’t get enough of the game. The game is not perfect but the dev team has been great so far with bug fixes and in game content. I just feel like I’m going crazy with how many people are complaining when I am having the total opposite time with this game. Either way, see you all in Season 3 >:)
@arturroblox3662
@arturroblox3662 Ай бұрын
As a sledgehammer and maybe now spear main i feel offended about him saying that melee is not viable. I could do with my sledgehammer in one round more than your puny lewis gun will be able in entire season.
@Zach-lz1zh
@Zach-lz1zh 18 күн бұрын
I personally think the only problem is they just need to find a way to balance the light class. Add 50 health to every build and balance the weapons a little better. Heavy feels like Melee & Winch is the only viable strategy to lead your team. Light and Medium however feel very diverse in what you can use. Makes it a little boring knowing Medium and Light are just more fun to use
@0GNAS0
@0GNAS0 Ай бұрын
the worst take ive heard not to mention you make multiple factual mistakes in the video for example there are multiple melee users at the top competitive level specifically sword users not to mention you say you played since alpha but then you say they added throwing knives in season 2 when throwing knives have been in the game since the start (weird mistake to make for someone who claims to have played since alpha) and you say crossbow multiple times which is just embarrassing when you have gameplay of a bow as your saying it although your complaint about changing the ranked game mode is correct and ill agree with you on that point
@TeachmeGin
@TeachmeGin Ай бұрын
Very True, instead of power shift or cash out they put terminal attack as ranked and the new weapons do feel lack luster but they are fun, it feels like they want it to be more competitive like other search & destroy games but it doesn’t work with the finals
@sandcrakes
@sandcrakes 24 күн бұрын
"It's a competitive game" Hey, I'm just enjoying destroying structures. Don't blame because you can't move around the debris
@montee3766
@montee3766 Ай бұрын
Proof of the fact people don't like the new ranked mode is the fact that I'm in gold 2 and I'm already top 3000 in the world. At least I'll be able to get that ruby akm skin without much of a hassle.
@spicy4208
@spicy4208 Ай бұрын
"Melee weapons are completely unviable". After I just dropped a 30 bomb with a sword. Y'all can skip this video. He is high
@teamXxSNIPERXx
@teamXxSNIPERXx Ай бұрын
Would 5v5 cash out work ?
@zs9652
@zs9652 Ай бұрын
I would love to try that. I absolutely hated 3v3v3+ and ended up only playing Powershift and TA.
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti
@Kimjong-disco-pc9ti Ай бұрын
it could work, maybe a different mode that has cashout elements, you should actually suggest that on their discord no jk
@spac3dout320
@spac3dout320 Ай бұрын
Bro the update is less than 24 hours old how analytical can you get about an update you hadnt played yet, cause doubt you managed to edit, script and record a whole video in that time while playing the update
@H3nry2077
@H3nry2077 Ай бұрын
Did you even watch the video? Im guessing you didnt since he stated he was part of the playtest for the update......
@spac3dout320
@spac3dout320 Ай бұрын
@H3nry2077 no not at the time of the comment to be honest. But still after watching the video all the way through its still a bit hyperbolic
@aquanix
@aquanix Ай бұрын
Compared to games that you have to pay to play this game is free to play and has given us so much content in such a short amount of time since the day of launch
@santorassandbox
@santorassandbox Ай бұрын
the finals is fun to play in bursts. the gunplay, movement, and destruction are god tier but the amount of content leaves me wanting way more.
@benjaminblackford3495
@benjaminblackford3495 Ай бұрын
I love the dual katanas they added in the game just based off of how badass it is to kill an enemy by deflecting their own bullets. But yet it's own gameplay just isn't fit for these sort of weapons when stuff like flamethrowers, rpgs, and the new winch claw completely shut down my fun of using these new toys. It's like why would I even try using the dual blades when the model 1887 does basically the same thing but with more damage and range
@LakevusParadice
@LakevusParadice Ай бұрын
Sadly I couldn’t see this game having much of a purpose from the beginning. There’s nothing to achieve nothing to earn. Like what’s the point. The best they could hope for was adding new gamemodes with a “gameshow” theme to them and just keep that going but beyond that there is nothing. That’s all the game is. Unlike all these features and destruction in a battlefield game where there is a point there is more to do there is more to earn which keeps you playing. It was inevitably a small shallow game from the start. I find it hard to envision where this wasn’t the inevitable conclusion
@ob5393
@ob5393 Ай бұрын
Lewis gun got nerfed to shit so heavies aren’t usually picked much. Which makes things worse IMO, because now you got clean and intact maps all throughout the game. I liked the absolute destruction in the finals and it’s been replaced with OP light gameplay and gimmick weapons that no one touches anymore.
@Makowako_
@Makowako_ Ай бұрын
Melee weapons are very competitively viable. I pushed to diamond in season two with riot shield, light sword was one of the better weapons, and I even played against quite a few sledge heavy’s.
@karolhaczyk1929
@karolhaczyk1929 Ай бұрын
"It's not just Unreal Engine asset flip, it's an actual engine build by people who know what they're doing" - It's made in Unreal Engine 5 "It'a AAA title made by new developer" - Embark Studio are mostly ex Dice developers who developed Mirror's Edge and Battlefield: Bad Company What in the fuck are you even talking about
@Zumbie578
@Zumbie578 Ай бұрын
This comment section has convinced me that this game is dope and I should try it.
@wade2112
@wade2112 Ай бұрын
I think the biggest issue is adding the dual blades and theyre the coolest yet worst weapon in the game because of how inconsistent they work
@roz1
@roz1 Ай бұрын
I personally hate terminal attack it sucks... if someone is hiding and kills you you are gone
@justateddybear951
@justateddybear951 Ай бұрын
I genuinely thought The Finals would be massive. Free to play, fast paced, battle royale-ish game with gunplay that felt pretty good (for the most part)? Easy dunk. Nope.. none of my friends played this game for more than a day or so. And I mean now you can probably point to the way they're adding stuff but even this game's launch felt dead. It was almost like no one knew it existed. Like the game was just some fever dream I had and when I tried to explain it to people no one knew what I was talking about
@davidwilkinson4634
@davidwilkinson4634 Ай бұрын
It's so fun as well
@Citrous241
@Citrous241 Ай бұрын
It is a small game tbf. This is the studios first ever game and the publisher is relatively small to. The numbers we get are really good for a borderline indie game. And as long as we can still find matches in less than a minute or so that are fun, it doesn't even matter whether or not the whole world is playing it or not.
@justateddybear951
@justateddybear951 Ай бұрын
@@Citrous241 Might be the studio's first game but the people that make up the studio definitely made some pretty big games. I'm not saying the game is dead for everyone but I really thought more people would play it. at least in my friend group
@Citrous241
@Citrous241 Ай бұрын
@@justateddybear951 ik youre not dude :3
@capolean2902
@capolean2902 Ай бұрын
well wat games are ur friends playing?
@c4tchxxii867
@c4tchxxii867 Ай бұрын
Honestly the only thing keeping me playing is the dumb fun guns, if it wasn't for all the unique weapons I would have moved on, I can play dozens of games I can use autos in.
@thespidytron7330
@thespidytron7330 Ай бұрын
13:49 “the game is not imbalanced” me with the winch claw and sledge hammer on my 17th kill before the first cash out is complete, also 10/10 criticism for the game not being imbalanced
@Honestry_
@Honestry_ Ай бұрын
"its another unreal engine game" lmfao this is literally the first ever game to have this type of crazy destruction being put into a fps game
@MyKidOverThere
@MyKidOverThere Ай бұрын
Are we really disagreeing w/ him that the finals had a fresh game mode wildly different than any other popular game on the market, and instead of polishing it, decided to push it aside and work on a game mode that's basically rb6 with a lower skill floor? The cosmetics are cool, the gun play is fun, and the map design is something only this dev team could pull off. I don't agree w/ everything the dude said, but the amount of salt in the comments is wild.
@chuck7728
@chuck7728 Ай бұрын
calling melee unviable is a skill issue lowkey, dive is insanely effective
@Fixer48
@Fixer48 Ай бұрын
Have you considered trying out new loadouts you dont have to stay with meta loadouts like i use revolver in ranked and i still make it work
@chickenmcfly2133
@chickenmcfly2133 Ай бұрын
That’s what I’m saying… if you look at this guys videos he doesn’t even play the finals..
@Oopsie_05
@Oopsie_05 Ай бұрын
1. It’s a bow 2. Throwing knives have been there since season one
@codlover93love24
@codlover93love24 Ай бұрын
I agree with most of the things you said but you have to remember a lot of people who hate on cod don’t understand they have a too big of a play base that games like this won’t grow unfortunately
@nochromo6572
@nochromo6572 Ай бұрын
I am a big fan of the finals, I have played since the open beta, but dude you are just wrong. New season is so fuuun, if they can keep this pace, finals will out number every other fps light work. Also I am a melee/projectile weapon only jerk.
@gergopahollo
@gergopahollo Ай бұрын
Ultimately, I think the issue isn't content, or the amount of gimmicks being added each season. If anything, there is too little content in the game for any given "casual" player. Rather, the game seems to be having a sort of identity crisis. During season 1 it seemed to be doing more or less its own thing, and while we knew that simple attack-defend wouldn't be dynamic enough and that it could get repetitive really quickly, ultimately it was fun and felt fresh, cosmetics were really well done, and the entire game was just oozing (opsuzing.. hah..haha... sorry) with style. Three-person squads made it easy to play with friends, since it's significantly easier to get 1-2 others to play with you, rather than 3 or 4 friends. But then (I have a feeling it's due to Nexon not wanting to spend on marketing, but wanting them sweet sweet Fortnite numbers) they started adding stuff that was obviously intented to compete with, for example, Call of Duty. Okay, whatever. Then we got stuff that is clearly a way to compete with Rainbow Six or CS. But at the same time, the structure reminds me of hero-shooters a lot. And now we have anime skins, and also a skin that is clearly ""inspired"" by the Rust Lord skin in Fortnite - signaling to me that the game is now DESPERATE to attract players from Fortnite as well as CoD and R6. So right now, the game is in an extremely small niche market, wanting to compete in every other larger market at the same time.
@NF-pk5mo
@NF-pk5mo Ай бұрын
What if they added a game mode like Rush from battlefield where attackers have to steal cash instead of command posts, because a lot of the complaints I hear is just how sweaty it is but a mode like that could appeal to the casual
@ichatterbot
@ichatterbot Ай бұрын
The move to TA was great. I’m glad they buffed the Light guns since Light has always been underpowered.
@chomperwithcheesecake
@chomperwithcheesecake Ай бұрын
I feel like this video might be overlooked based of the amount of minor mistakes made throughout the whole video. But also i feel like how because s3 add 2 melee weapons and adding the world tour might just be an attempt to create a more casual game. While the old cashout mode was great, some top players have called that game mode not the most competitive, so terminal attack is proably just a bandage solution to try and make the ranked experience more competitive. Sadly terminal attack did make it less fun
@Daniel_Vital
@Daniel_Vital Ай бұрын
Who could have thought a light machine gun is be better that a stick
@xXWyTeBreaDXx
@xXWyTeBreaDXx Ай бұрын
The finals is legitimately one of the most fun games I’ve ever played and new content is what brings me back to the game. I didn’t like what there was in season 2 so I didn’t play that season but I’m really happy with the content this season. I think the world tour is a great happy medium between ranked and quick match too and it’s all I’ve been playing.
@DangleSan
@DangleSan Ай бұрын
Players like you are what's wrong you don't understand you have gaming brain rot if you're only playing The Game for content, If a game has a good fun game play that's why you're supposed to play not for content
@maxrosefoxanime7225
@maxrosefoxanime7225 Ай бұрын
I can understand you calling the new weapons gimmick and people use the gimmick weapons you said they unuseable but they are usable it just as you said the game meta heavy but litter almost any weapon with range will be good heck the only really different between the ak and fcar was one has less ammo and sight and increased kill power due to lower ammo
@Azmodan98
@Azmodan98 Ай бұрын
Im glad to see someone else who loved the finals but i disagree with most of your points. Throwing knives are so strong they ought to be nerfed at this point. Maybe a perk system would be fun. Most games with developer pushed Metas are boring like LoL. I like DoTA's style better where everything is viable. I hope the finals finds that. I dont want to know where the points are before the match, i dont want to know where the enemies are coming from, i want everything to improvisation. Makes it fresher and more fun. To me anyways.
@commander_fu6457
@commander_fu6457 Ай бұрын
In a 3v3v3v3 situation there is more luck and randomness involved than in 5v5, which is why I like terminal attack. Cashout is actually a fun mode but I wish it was always like the final round of a tournament... Its just not feasable to keep track of 6-9 other players especially because of the fast pace and movement abilites which creates just random bad situations no matter how good you are. That said, I think the game never was truly made for sweats (who will obviously still come) but its more of a fun arena shooter where you are supposed to create a class around your own playstyle. What players make of it, is a different story. But I see many lights playing melee and "non-meta" weapons even in ranked.
@TheIntelligentVehicle
@TheIntelligentVehicle Ай бұрын
I think, weirdly, I agree with most of the comments below - pro AND con. Everyone is trying to put their finger on what would take the finals to the next level or what's holding it back. To put a slightly different spin on your take (and I can take the criticism - and admit up front I have a complete love-hate relationship with the game itself), I feel like Embark is this studio of artists, auteurs even (if I can say something super pretentious), and it has an inevitable impact on the enjoyability of the game. For me it does, at least. Sometimes I feel like the gameplay is an after-thought, even though intellectually I know it's not. The Embark folks are probably busting their brains every day trying to figure this out. But it seems like a game that was designed to be extremely cool where the unconscious assumption or wishful thinking was that the gameplay would ultimately sort itself out on its own to a great extent. Instead, I agree with your point about the game benefitting from more depth rather than breadth, but with such a range of possibilities the question is where to focus the energies and add that depth. I have my own thoughts, fwiw. Here are four: (1) Unlike maybe most games, I think more maps is not the answer to replayability and the avoidance of boredom for THE FINALS. Rather focus on more variations within each map. I'm all for new maps, btw, just maybe rotate them in and out by season. That way both the devs and players can go deep into, say, three maps per season and lots of hopefully wild and challenging variations. (2) If balancing is damn near impossible, maybe lean into it. Rather than add more 'gimmicky' weapons, gadgets, and specializations, play around and experiment way more with the existing ones. It's a virtual game show, they can justify anything within that concept. Then the whole idea is that the game show is constantly changing and there is no expectation of some stable, 'balanced' equilibrium (not that there ever is or can be, let's face it). Also, just like with maps, new weapons, etc., are cool, but maybe rotate some in and out. If sniper ends up dominant to the bow, e.g., why add the bow - except if you also rotated out the sniper. Another thought, "nukes" might have been cool and fun as a two week thing. Not so cool as a forever thing, as we all found out. Just saying. (3) Fix cashout - they're worried about experimenting with it during the season. They're worried ranked players won't stand for the game constantly being changed up on them. Let's test that hypothesis and instead lean into the experimentation. They could change things up meaningfully within the mode every two weeks with a patch and just say it's part of the game, then when they see things that work really well, return to them more often or make them standard, and things that are broken, either fix or reject them. (4) Simplify. An example would be the story or lore, except that it may already be too late for that. We could have just done the Cashout game show thing for a long time, if not forever, and gone way deeper into that simple concept. People will say they love bank it, power shift, even TA, and I do, too, but only because they threw them into the game. But a lot of the things people like about those modes could easily have been worked into variations on maps and cashout rules I bet (although I'm only speculating and not a dev, and also, there are ingrained expectations of gamers that maybe they do have to kowtow to, but then that part would be our fault)... Meanwhile, the reality, to go back to my original point, is that we have artists, in my opinion. Wedded to their elaborate story, vision, and creativity for the game. I respect it, it's their prerogative as the devs, but it just feels like the game is a mess a lot of the time due in no small part to this factor. Which is charming at first, certainly, and frequently that charm crops up again. Like I said, for me, it's a love-hate thing. Thanks for listening to my dissertation on this subject. This video obv triggered me at least as much as the other people in the comments here.
@tori1431
@tori1431 Ай бұрын
Oml… thank you for this comment, read the whole thing and I can’t agree more. I’m all for leaning more into different map variations! (I would love some sort of floor is lava map variation of some sort)
@Val-Yob
@Val-Yob Ай бұрын
You can dislike all you want his points about TA and cashout are on point. However i do love playing the finals casually and competitively at the same time. No other game for me is like that besides this amazing game. This season would have been the best yet if they didn’t do the dumb ranked change.
@pigeonpeck1111
@pigeonpeck1111 Ай бұрын
I remember having a blast with my friends with the core game modes in the finals. The new mode doesn't seem to hit the same, I hope they draw back from the terminal attack game mode. This wasn't mentioned at all in the video but I feel like the Finals needs to find a personality or somethin cause rn its starting to feel more bland and lifeless despite all the work put into it. Thats a smaller issue though, I just hope they most importantly put work into the cash out game mode and stuff.
@hierohush
@hierohush Ай бұрын
"No one uses any of the new weapons" he says over gameplay of people using all of the new weapons 🤦‍♂
@cylas
@cylas Ай бұрын
melee weapon beeing meta is the only thing that would be tragic
@slavikbraun4788
@slavikbraun4788 Ай бұрын
They didn't add the throwing knives in season 2 they are in-game since launch, duh
@MiracleDiving
@MiracleDiving Ай бұрын
After commenting I decided to read the comments and noticed that it’s not just me, there no single person in the comments agreeing with this guy 🤣
@novinovic298
@novinovic298 Ай бұрын
This comes from former Battlefield developers so it shouldnt suprise anyone.... They left every game they ever worked on in same state more or less.
@T4RC
@T4RC Ай бұрын
As far as I know the last bf game these guys worked on was BFBC2 and that one was good
@novinovic298
@novinovic298 Ай бұрын
@@T4RC How so? I heard team was made of of people who left DICE after BF1 and BFV?
@Ace01010
@Ace01010 Ай бұрын
He kinda right bout the new weapons, bow and chain seem perfect for the game but the rest not so much. he actually atleast providing sound reasoning to his logic can’t say that for most other people. Btw terminal attack is temporary so yeah…
@CombatKing1237
@CombatKing1237 Ай бұрын
saying the finals is like an old school game is WILD
@crocboye
@crocboye Ай бұрын
It's like an old school game in the way it was released: As a complete game that didn't spend years in early access hell.
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