Slow Motion: MAS 49/56

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Forgotten Weapons

Forgotten Weapons

9 жыл бұрын

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The MAS 49/56 was the final evolution of a French direct gas impingement rifle design that nearly entered mass production in 1940, but was interrupted by the German invasion. It uses a tilting bolt to lock (similar to the FAL) and a direct gas inpingement system to operate (very similar to the AG-42B Ljungman). It is chambered in 7.5x54mm, and is a highly under-rated rifle in the US.

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@fdsdh1
@fdsdh1 7 жыл бұрын
the French know how to make a good rifle. I shot a MAS for the first time today, idk how they managed to make such a short and light rifle have so little recoil, I was expecting quite a big nudge. They are pretty accurate too, and the build quality is sort of insane for such a simple design, they must have out a lot of man hours into construction. the brass doesn't so much eject as it just f*cks off! consistently forward and to the right which is good, can't tell you how many times I have been burned by cases getting spat out in every direction!
@kylehallman1283
@kylehallman1283 7 жыл бұрын
Please do one of your regular type videos on this gun! Please!
@colonelsanders104
@colonelsanders104 9 жыл бұрын
I got it during my military service (70's). Good memories. :)
@andymandyandsheba4571
@andymandyandsheba4571 9 жыл бұрын
love the slowmo stuff
@danmorgan3685
@danmorgan3685 9 жыл бұрын
It would be really interesting to see a slo-mo of the SKS.
@TonboIV
@TonboIV 9 жыл бұрын
I look forward to seeing this taken apart.
@jballew2239
@jballew2239 9 жыл бұрын
I've a Syrian contract '49, it's a really fine piece of work. Pretty much got me into collecting French firearms. if you ever decide to look into the SACM1935A, the MAS35, or the '92 ordinance revolver, I might be of assistance, as I have those as well, and shoot them.
@razz339
@razz339 9 жыл бұрын
The lighting is much improved on this video, very easy to see what is going on :thumbsup:
@Pyrex238
@Pyrex238 9 жыл бұрын
Ian, you need some fill light in these high speed shots! Maybe even try an inexpensive reflector on a tripod, soften up the details so you don't have such harsh shadows. It will make the videos look as good as the content within!
@ivyssauro123
@ivyssauro123 3 жыл бұрын
The best Rifle in Rising Storm 2: Vietnam, and now I wish it was in more games, I'm in love with it
@KeatonEggleston
@KeatonEggleston 9 жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure
@elliswrong
@elliswrong 9 жыл бұрын
It can be hard to see the gun because of the low light and inconsistent background. You should put up a sheet of white posterboard behind the gun so it's nicely silhouetted and easier to see the parts moving.
@themastermason1
@themastermason1 9 жыл бұрын
I sometimes feel that direct impingement is a case of semantics. One could argue that it is as the name implies while another could argue that DI is merely a long-stroke piston with an extremely short piston.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that would be technically correct. But what the DI label does convey is understanding that the mechanism is designed to use the gas impulse in a location physically distant from the gas block.
@DFX2KX
@DFX2KX 9 жыл бұрын
interesting design there.
@alaskanbullworm5500
@alaskanbullworm5500 9 жыл бұрын
This rifle is so underrated
@Lodymir_Elensky
@Lodymir_Elensky 7 жыл бұрын
When can we get a full video on this rifle?
@XLordLeamingtonX
@XLordLeamingtonX 9 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see you do this with the Hakim. The whole firing process on that thing is so fast it's almost imperceptible.
@Spawn07O1
@Spawn07O1 9 жыл бұрын
Looks like this has a rather quick recoil on it. Like watching the difference between some of the small .380's and such you've put up vs. full size pistols, this just seems like it's recoiling reward with a bit more speed than other rifles.
@TroopperFoFo
@TroopperFoFo 9 жыл бұрын
Neat rifle. Just something about an top eject rifle I like.
@GetTheFO
@GetTheFO 9 жыл бұрын
It isn't open bolt. Open bolt is when the bolt is held back prior to its release for the trigger mechanism. This is a closed bolt; it is locked into the breech until it ejects the cartridge.
@TroopperFoFo
@TroopperFoFo 9 жыл бұрын
GetTheFO I corrected my comment. I meant open bolt where you can see thru the bolt. I changed my comment to top eject.
@GetTheFO
@GetTheFO 9 жыл бұрын
TroopperFoFo Ah. I've always been a fan of those designs as well, particularly the M1 Garand. It sucks that they cost so much, though. I'll probably never be able to afford my favorite rifle.
@TroopperFoFo
@TroopperFoFo 9 жыл бұрын
GetTheFO Try gunshows you might be able to find one.
@GetTheFO
@GetTheFO 9 жыл бұрын
TroopperFoFo Finding them isn't the problem, I can do that easily. I haven't been to a gun show where there hasn't been at least 20 of them. It's the PRICE of them. I can't afford a thousand dollar rifle, and by the time I can they'll probably cost 3 times that.
@davidmbeckmann
@davidmbeckmann 9 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on the Belgian Vigneron SMG or the Madsen LMG?
@francisallen5459
@francisallen5459 6 жыл бұрын
The Special Operations Command/French Special Forces still use the MAS 49/56 as a sniper rifle in some of their units
@-alastor1857
@-alastor1857 5 жыл бұрын
Francis Allen no frf2
@arisukak
@arisukak 9 жыл бұрын
You should do the Ljungman next. And unlike my MAS 49/56, my Ljungman would shoot gas into my face.
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 5 жыл бұрын
How has he not done a video on this gun yet? What is he waiting for? x{
@Wesssssssssssst
@Wesssssssssssst 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian could you do a video on the FN Mauser 8mm some time? I think they are obscure enough to qualify as a forgotten weapon.
@davidmbeckmann
@davidmbeckmann 9 жыл бұрын
I have a MAS 36 and have always liked the 7.5 cartridge although hard to find.
@jballew2239
@jballew2239 9 жыл бұрын
You can easily reload by fire forming 6.5X55 Swedish brass. The '36 is actually easier to load for then the '49, as you do not have to worry about primer sensitivity. Also FNM of Portugal makes boxer primed 7.5mm cartridges.
@davidmbeckmann
@davidmbeckmann 9 жыл бұрын
J Ballew Thanks!
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 5 жыл бұрын
I must be getting old: had to replay at half speed to follow the bolt vs bolt carrier.
@MrBandholm
@MrBandholm 7 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see a comparison between the MAS 49/56 and the M1 Garant, maybe in a two-gun match. Did the French make a better rifle (given the time between designs) or was the M1 so far ahead, that the MAS only did catch-up (or even fell short)?
@CPHannigan
@CPHannigan 9 жыл бұрын
Interesting. It's like a DI SKS.
@pistonar
@pistonar 9 жыл бұрын
That's surprising you don't see any gas/smoke from the gas tube. Different powder perhaps, or something else? Thanks for posting. Always interesting.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 жыл бұрын
I suspect it's because of the depth of the gas tube hole in the bolt carrier. I think the gas has enough time to slowly expand that we don't see a puff.
@pistonar
@pistonar 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the response. That makes sense.
@oldgoat1890
@oldgoat1890 7 жыл бұрын
This is somewhat dated, but I just stumbled on it. I have a French issue model 1949 brought back from Vietnam. The 49 saw a lot of use there. I have a couple 1944's too. I believe it may have been one of the first tilting bolt rifle designs issued to troops. They are well built rifles. Comparing one of the 44-49/56 series of rifles to an M16 is just silly. Stoner tried to produce a heavy caliber M-16 and it was a total failure. If I remember correctly, only a couple 3rd world countries (Like Ceylon) bought them. I really don't hear anything good about heavy caliber AR style rifles today either. Words like "Finicky" and "Hand fit" pop up a lot.
@williestyle35
@williestyle35 5 жыл бұрын
Browning Automatic Rifle of 1918 had a tilting bolt...
@notsoserious0944
@notsoserious0944 9 жыл бұрын
Where oh where does the gas go?
@mattsamoto4451
@mattsamoto4451 Жыл бұрын
looks like the last 1/2" of travel before it goes into battery looks rough. Is that the bolt rotating?
@WaddleOfShame
@WaddleOfShame 9 жыл бұрын
Is that white semi-clear bit part of the charging handle or is it just there to protect the handle from the brass?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 жыл бұрын
That's the actual handle part of the charging handle. Being plastic, it doesn't get uncomfortably hot or cold, and doesn't have sharp edges that can cut you.
@PLATINUMPOLAK
@PLATINUMPOLAK 9 жыл бұрын
cool rifle is that mag catch mounted on the magazine itself or is that something else sticking out on the side
@Cruisey
@Cruisey 9 жыл бұрын
The magazine catch is magazine mounted, yes.
@plakerd5241
@plakerd5241 8 жыл бұрын
Where can I purchase this rifle? I WANT IT.
@patrickcrosley6179
@patrickcrosley6179 9 жыл бұрын
What caliber are these rifles and about how much do they cost?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 жыл бұрын
They were made in 7.5 French (7.5x54mm), and cost $450-$550 or so. Century also converted a bunch to .308, and those tend to be about $100 cheaper, because they generally don't run well (several problems with the conversion process).
@TescoVee
@TescoVee 9 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons I had one of the Century hatchet job .308 conversions. Mine would not extract reliably at all. In my case the extractor itself was undersized and did not have proper purchase on the cartridge case. Worked fine when you hand cycled it. Live fire on the other hand.....
@daveepsin4795
@daveepsin4795 9 жыл бұрын
How's the recoil on that?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 жыл бұрын
Quite reasonable.
@francisallen5681
@francisallen5681 6 жыл бұрын
The recall is less then a 30/30 lever action I own two MAS 49/56 in 7.5x54 mm and one in 7.62x51mm/308 the recall on both are the same
@MadMadCommando
@MadMadCommando 9 жыл бұрын
Is there any way for the gas to escape, or is it shot into a blind hole?
@jballew2239
@jballew2239 9 жыл бұрын
It's a blind recess in the bolt carrier.
@strilight
@strilight 9 жыл бұрын
By any chance do you have any weapons from the Khyber Pass? I know they mostly make copies of firearms, but there's bound to be something odd coming out of a gunsmith's shop that fabricates their own guns.
@yutuniopati
@yutuniopati 9 жыл бұрын
Hello Forgotten Weapons, do you know if a shoulder fired cannon like this one ( search Gerhard2 on youtube, first result) was already used by an army ? Or it's too powerful ?
@MadSpectro7
@MadSpectro7 9 жыл бұрын
There were shoulder-fired recoilless rifles such as the M18 and the Carl Gustav. As for actual cannons with rapidly-burning powders, I doubt it.
@yutuniopati
@yutuniopati 9 жыл бұрын
I found the Russian RGS-50M but it's not realy a shoulder cannon. I find realy curious that this kind of weapons doesn't exist today.
@GetTheFO
@GetTheFO 9 жыл бұрын
Is that cocking handle covered in plastic, bakelite, or rubber? It seems kind of sketchy and not well retained. Have you had any issues with it?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 жыл бұрын
It's plastic of some type, and appears to be very sturdy.
@veuzou
@veuzou 9 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons Hi, I've been a gunsmith in the French Army some 30 years ago, I've seen A LOT of FSA-49/56's and I don't remember special issues concerning this handle (thanks for the nice video BTW!)
@GetTheFO
@GetTheFO 9 жыл бұрын
veuzou Ok, cool. And thanks for your service; as long as you're on our side, I'm thankful of you.
@williestyle35
@williestyle35 5 жыл бұрын
It is solid nylon.
@UltraWideGigachad
@UltraWideGigachad 9 жыл бұрын
Looks similar to an SKS
@Dozer7885
@Dozer7885 9 жыл бұрын
Alot like an SKS
@merlemorrison482
@merlemorrison482 9 жыл бұрын
This is a lot easier on the face than a Hakim.....
@cannonfodder4376
@cannonfodder4376 9 жыл бұрын
That is how you make a Direct Impingement Rifle. Not like the way the AR-15 did.
@jamesland9003
@jamesland9003 9 жыл бұрын
Funny how the AR-15 is currently in service and not the MAS 49/56.
@Uryendel
@Uryendel 9 жыл бұрын
James Land maybe because they had a lot of revision and it's an assault riflle not an semi-auto long rifle... Oh and also the ar-15 is a very cheap rifle
@GetTheFO
@GetTheFO 9 жыл бұрын
They keep using the M4/M16 platform because it's cheap, they already have the machinery for it, and they have tons of parts and equipment on hand for it. There definitely better designs. Hell, piston AR's are much beter than DI
@Cruisey
@Cruisey 9 жыл бұрын
James Land That's a very naive view, considering a force so wrapped up in red tape and 'special interests' as the US Army, service has very little to do with the quality of the firearm.
@matthewharger221
@matthewharger221 9 жыл бұрын
David Cruise When did he say US service? US red tape is one thing, but since the design has been tested, adopted, and used worldwide I would say that's indicative of success. Compared to the MAS which was used by... France....
@francisallen5681
@francisallen5681 6 жыл бұрын
This is a point to note is the reason for a nylon/plastic charging handle is the charging handle also acts as a brass deflector and if the charging handle was steel and a empty shell hit a steel charging handle it would make a ding sound and give your position on the battlefield and this is the reason they made a charging handle out of plastic
@BobSaint
@BobSaint 3 жыл бұрын
Ahahahhahaha
@KhanGirey
@KhanGirey 9 жыл бұрын
This is the gun that is famous for slam firing, right?
@GoredonTheDestroyer
@GoredonTheDestroyer 9 жыл бұрын
You're thinking of early model SKS rifles, those could potentially be fired out of battery.
@GoredonTheDestroyer
@GoredonTheDestroyer 9 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't consider Russian made SKS's to be shit, the Type 56 Carbine, though, is shit.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 жыл бұрын
Yes, the MAS is known for slam-firing with commercial ammo. It has a large free-floating firing pin - that's why. French military ammo uses hard and slightly recessed primers, and has no issues, but sometimes the gun can touch off soft-primered commercial or handloaded ammo. This one has a spring loaded firing pin in it (from Murray's Guns or Bowie TX) to prevent that possibility.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 жыл бұрын
GoredonTheDestroyer In my experience and understanding, Chinese-made AK and SKS rifles are excellent.
@diasirea
@diasirea 9 жыл бұрын
GoredonTheDestroyer Do a little research on the Chinese SKS's. During the boom on their saturation of American market, a number of them were sold by several importers, that were actually rifles assembled with rejected, often poorly heat treated parts. The August 1993 of American Gunsmith as well as the August 1993 issue of Gun Tests goes into great detail about this issue. There is also videos of demonstrations of guns improperly firing that where used in civil trials against those importers. (In one video, an attorney, at a shooting range, strips 10 rounds into magazine, then with a stick, hits the handle on the bolt causing a round to not only to chamber but to slam fire, repeating event until magazine empty, all while never touching trigger.) Reportedly, basic problem was substandard quality of bolt, firing pin or both. If bolt hard and pin soft, or vice/versa repeated strikes with hammer would pean the firing pin to inside of bolt, thus when pin foreword projected on bolt face, would fire gun when chambering live round. SKS does not have a return spring for firing pin. On the mil-spec SKS's, this never a problem since both bolt and firing pin correctly hardened to avoid the peaning with the aforedescibed softer metals. Bottom line: All European and Chinese military SKS's OK if in generally good condition. Any commercial Chinese SKS should be examined by someone who knows what to look for. Regrettably, the corner gunsmith that can do a great trigger job on your tricked out 1911, or beautifully reblue your 1100, may lack expertise on this SKS footnote. Find a gunsmith who deals with military/collectors/esoteric weapons who can help.
@CretterX
@CretterX 9 жыл бұрын
vive la france allez allez allez!!!
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