I think one page Clockwerk definitely took was Sly's father's pages, and for whatever reason, he kept that page on him when he burned, which would explain why Sly never learned the laser slide.

Clockwerk's life is pretty ironic. He hates the Coopers but can't live without them.

I just realized that the Clockwerk is a metaphor. When you are always fueled by jealousy and hatred, especially for someone, you become a shell of your former self. Clockwerk's metal body represents the hollowness of what he once was. And that it can literally last forever.

The pages I think he stole were the ones about him. In Sly 2, Sly mentioned when going after Clockwerk's eyes and talons that the Thievious Racoonous described what they're capable of. But just before facing Clockwerk at the end of the first game with the pages he recovered from the other 4 villains, Sly knew nothing about him other than his shadow being in his ancestors' pictures. As to why, I think it was in case his other allies planned to betray him or when Sly confronts him and the pages had info on how to best him.

Personal theory: Setting aside the swapped levels, I believe there are perfectly canon reasons for tthe Fiendish FIve to take the main pages theydid. Rayleigh, being a frog, would have shown interest in Rioichi's jumping technique. (Whether or not he mastered it is unknown.) Mugshot, being a city boy, would have been interested in the skateboard like actions in Tennessee's part of the book, but as mentioned later he apparently could never read them. Mz Ruby would have been into the dark magic qualities involved in Slytunkhamen;s shadow magic, while Panda King could use the machinery schematics in Otto's portion to improve his fireworks and rockets. Clockwerk would have taken the rest so that Sly would come find him one day. I also have a pet theory that the Thevius Raccoonus is written in code. Only Cooper family members know how to crack the code unless they tell other people how to do so.

The bottles in the game were a means to open a vault in each level. Unlocking a minor portion of the theivious racconus. So yes, they did have taken several pages.

Looks like Vivi's back to sly. I guess you could say... *It's just like clockwork*

It would've been cool if in the beggining of sly 3 dr. M and Clockwerk had a deal, where clockwerk told M the location of the cooper vault and in exchange dr. M showed where cooper's house is.

The statement about his hatred and bring able to feel it and how the next Cooper in line is always born is because, as he stated in the game, he wanted to prove that the Cooper line would fail without their book but each and every time the child succeded, it made his hatred grow. That's what I think at least.

You know, it would make sense if the pages Clockwerk took included the ones that described him. Of course he'd want to keep Sly from learning anything about him before their battle. And while it's been a bit since I last played Sly 2, I'm pretty sure that one brings up the Thievious Raccoonus containing notes on what the Clockwerk parts can do, like how sharp his talons are and the hypnotic properties of his eyes

Very interesting Theories. I liked the see Clockwerk Return in Sly 5, and know more of his backstory and why he started the hate Sly's Ancestors so much...nice video as always

Don't we know each member of the Fiendish Five, or at least the members other than Clockwerk, took multiple pages about multiple Cooper Ancestors due to the simple fact that you find pages in safes through out the levels?

I think it's possible, given Clockwerk's personality in the first game, he stole those particular pages as they made mention of him and wanted to know what information the Coopers had on him. He's evidently very vain and perhaps wanted acknowledgment from his mortal enemies that he was a threat. It was both for fact-finding and for pride.

I think your theory about Clockwerk taking pages related to him make sense when you consider the line from the start of The Cold Heart of Hate. The fact that there were no clear images of him in the pieces recovered and with the police and the references in Sly 2 about the talons rending steel, or the eyes stopping people in their tracks, and the potential of the heart. So he probably took Heinrette's piece, and maybe a few others who took notes on how he fights.

If you take Sly 4 ending into consideration where Sly ends up in ancient Egypt, it makes sense that Sly becomes the progenitor of his clan and with his knowledge of Clockwerk, he could have left clues for his ancestors/descendants.

The answer is more simple than that. I replayed the game again and reaffirmed that clock work left sly alive to prove the cooper clan was nothing without the thevious raccoonous. Either the five was a front to use the other bosses as pawns so that if any of them defeated sly while they had the knowledge of sly's ancestors while sly did not, proving his point. Or even better. To lure sly slowly to clockwork with a big showdown, but didn't go to his plan

i agree about your theory about Clockwerk keeping the Cooper children alive, he needs them to continue the line so he has something to hate, kinda ironic really

"what's with clocks bro"

10:50 while Clockwerk was mentioned in the book, we didn’t see these pages until Sly 2, in Sly 1, Sly was only able to see images of a shadowy avian figure, so the pages could have been about how he was defeated

When you mentioned that each member got one page, I instantly remembered all the vaults from the different chapters, meaning that each member did get multiple pages from multiple Coopers.

I’ve always thought the Clockwerk may have had a quite a tragic backstory, in the sense that he may he have been betrayed or took the fall for one of the Coopers in the past, his family were killed as a result and he lost everything that mattered to him. I’m sure that he has time-travelled at some point or met a time traveler as how else would he have gained his advanced robotic body? Maybe he took the pages as a trophy/memento or maybe the book has some hidden secret that Clockwerk discovered that the Cooper gang is still unaware of...

This series is great. I’m glad my dad got me sly 3 as a kid. Played it and loved it then got the other two so i started out of order. Fav villains are easily clockwerk and Jean bison

You know I always wondered what page Clockwork took, I could never put my finger on it, but this video really puts half my mind at ease. You know, what your saying makes sense ^^. Keep up the amazing work my friend!

The pages that Clockwerk took appear to be at the front and back of the book, I’m not sure if the “thievious racconus” would have these, but a table of contents and index would be located at the front and back. Without these specific pages, nobody would know exactly how many pages there are; how many abilities there are in the book.

The pages Clockwerk took were blank as they were meant for Sly to add his adventures too.

I think Clockwerk stole the pages that Conner Cooper wrote, considering all the computers, lasers and tech in Clockwerk's world

How would clockwerk implement cooper techniques into his work ethic of thieving? He is a bird with no hands or feet just wings and talons. Clockwerk can’t crawl through vents or make a sneaky enterance. I thought it was worth mentioning.

I need sly 5

Here is something that could be my headcanon, or the MAKERS' plan. Clockwerk took some pages, but did not keep them (gave them to the FF members). The members did not really care for the pages either, but kept them anyway as proof of their past "accomplishment".

What i want to know is what his original body looked like. They showed his face in the manual, but its not big enough to make much of it to be able to discern what he is.

After extensively playing the game for years throughout the separate stages for the Fiendish 5 there are other parts of the Racoonus besides that of the certain pages won after defeating certain members that are hidden in other safe's around certain stages of the maps. The very last safe that you find all of the clues to (no matter which country you're in) won't be in crackable until after Clockwerk is defeated (Bentley states that the clues to the very last safe are written in an ancient owl dialect) and it contains arguably the most OP ability in the game. So it's safe to deduce that Clockwerk to spite Sly locked the last safe himself to the final page of the Racoonus.

Also i think a extra page sly could gotten if railegh was 4th was the water safety move to match the whole kinda sea theme

If I had to guess nowadays. I'd say he took the first few pages and likely the last. If he was studying the pages then he would start at the earliest recorded moments of the clan then see how he believed it would end. One thing I hadn't thought about years ago is one that might change things. Clockwork is an advanced machine. How do we know he didnt just scan the entire book? In Sly 2, what peice did Arpgedgio take? He took Clockwerks brain, presumably because it is akin to a supercomputer. I dont have to imagine too wildly that reading a book could take seconds for him IF he even had to physically read it. Memorizing something even as complex as the Thievius Racoonus would be more easy than we can even comprehend for him. So in short I dont think he needed a single page, because he already had every bit of knowledge from it before we even set foot on that rooftop in Paris.

I'll never forget that night after the fiendish five killed my parents Clockwork look back and I knew he was looking at me and he said "I know you're there little Cooper I let you live the thought of your pain would just be too great... this will be the mark of the five people who took everything from you." And he left a scratch on the front door and he flew off into the night it sounded like a thousand knives scraping against each other.

Clockwerk having a love interest? Perhaps in one of the ancient Coopers? Or a Cooper stole from his loved one leading to her demise?! It’s crazy but it JUST MIGHT WORK! For Clockwerk to be able to hate THAT MUCH, he had to have loved equally as powerfully. I had never considered it before, but dude, you just completely changed my perspective on Clockwerk and added huge depth to him. I love it.

1:55 Those other pages are from the safes you get in various levels you get after getting the clue bottles.

What if because of Sly's Time Travel antics in Sly 4, Clockwerk found out about Sly and the pages he was recovering, since he's always watching from the background of the levels? Then come 2002, he decides to raid the Cooper home and create a time paradox. It would be interesting if the time travelling caused Clockwerk to have interest in the book to begin with.

The fiendish five DID take more than One page in The theivies racoonus Because of the vults that are in all The levels also in The start it states that The fiendish five started dasterdly crimes.

2:08 personally I think each member of the Fiendish Five took multiple pages, and had one page of interest for each of them. As you explained, I know Raleigh and Panda King likely wanted the other’s page due to Panda King likely wanting the ninja spire jump to improve his martial arts and Raleigh wanting Auto Van Cooper’s mechanical expertise. But likely in the rush of tearing the book apart had grabbed extra pages unintentionally. As for said pages, they were the minor ancestors found throughout the safes in the game, likely each member put the extra ones they weren’t particularly fond of in the safes as a useful asset later on.

Wow ... im shocked i never thought of that i thought he only took the stun every guard page ...

Wow, VIVI I don't know how you think of all this but you do a really good job with it. And there's literally no doubt about it, Clockwerk has got to be the most mysterious villain of all time in video gaming or anything else too.

Clockwork took the rest of the pages. So if you count all the pages taken by each member, that leaves only the pages that clockwork took

Love the theory on letting the kids live to fuel his hate. Makes Clockwerk, evil, cunning, and possessing a weakness. I would wager He stole the newest pages. That was why Sly never knew of his father's gang, Cooper Vault, or laser walking skill. Clockwerk had them and were never recovered.

He stole the pages that let you crawl under tables

At first I thought it was Sit. Galleth's entry on how to perform the Hook Wall Spring which later gets introduced in Sly 2. But the more I think about it, the more likely it is that he stole Henriette One Eye Cooper's entry cause she's only known ancestor apart from Sly and his father who crossed paths with him.

QUESTION: Have you ever considered making a mascot game of your own in the future? For someone with a lot of passion for these kind of games, it would seem rather fitting.

I always figured he kept the pages of his most hated Coopers. If his hatred for the Coopers is what makes him immortal and him succeeding in his plan could possibly have quelled his hate, having a deep up close and personal reminder of some of his most hated foes could keep the hatred going?

Something that I never really thought about was the specific ancestors that the fiendish 5 kept in their personal area (their boss fights pages) and how each of the 4 that we know of were similar to that member of the 5 (if that makes sense). Mugshot loved guns, thus tennessee was a natural choice for him. Miss Ruby would have been interested by the mystery of the invisibility technique. Panda king chose his page due to the ancestor being an inventor (at least I assume). As for why Rioichi? I am not sure.

Ok hold up. What about the ancestors pages that were in vaults on each level to get the keys required? That alone debunks the part where they just took those certain ancestors because we were introduced to multiple in those.

Not just my favorite Sly Cooper villain but also my favorite video game villain in general and here are the reasons *He is immortal *much like Nefarious he once had organic body *there are so many unanswered questions about him *his badass voice *he can repear his body

I've noticed that you haven't said anything about the last volt in the first game as stated the volt number was in ancient owl dialect that forced the player to beat clockwork first then come back to complete the book, ( for me it was the panda king) but why would the last page be in that dialect and not like the others? My thought has always been that clockwork had that page but decided that he should hide it somewhere else but not tell the other's about it sense only clockwork would be the only one that'll be able to unlock it from that language.

If there will be ever a sly 5? They should make clockworks backstory.

Panda king being the first level also explains his and enemies from his level wanted posters in the intro police station episode.

Panda king being first explains why his music dupes Raleighs

so you could say that Clockwork is a "Cooper" hawk

An interesting theory. Clockwerk is such an enigma, and there's so much history that could be built from such a blank past.

Damn I'm a big sly cooper fan and I Never throught about this.

Vtnvvi it would have been cool and a good idea if the pages that the fiendish five stole they actually used those skills for their schemes and to fight sly.

I think that in the next game they should exploit the time travel stuff to explain how Clockwerk became a robot millenia before robotics were invented. They could make stuff up like "Sly and his gang brought modern technology to the past and through some accidental events, the organic version of clockwerk became a robot." They could come up with an origin story too and why he hates the Coopers - maybe Sly ends up fucking up his life while in the past and Clockwerk wants revenge on everyone that looks like him i.e. his whole family. Clockwerk then doesn't recognise him later because it's been literal millenia since he last saw him. Or maybe he did recognise him and that's why he put up so many traps instead of just straight attacking him. Then you could say that he didn't want to reveal that he recognised Sly from the past because he wanted to reveal it right before killing Sly which he never got to do.

The Fiendish Five took multiple pages each. There’s more pages in all the vaults. My guess would be the last vault you open contains Clockwerk’s page. This is because you cannot open it until you beat him given that it’s in “owl dialect”. Perhaps this may answer the question of this video.

I think he also probably took Salim’s section. Because you see in one of the development videos of Sly, back when Panda King was supposed to be before Raleigh and you’re going through A Stealthy Approach Sly says he can use his new Climb Move from Panda King’s section. And wouldn’t Salim most likely have the climb move? So instead of Salim, Rioichi, Tennessee Kid, Slytunkhamen, Otto Van… the order changed to Rioichi, Tennessee Kid, Slytunkhamen, Otto Van, (?). So Salim’s section was supposed to be first but changed to already knowing it! So maybe Clockwerk has Salim’s section, a reason Sly never mentions it! Cause he already knows how to climb!

I would think Clockwerk would have the pages that Conner (Sly’s father) wrote because he knew those pages were the most likely to lure Sly to him because of how personal they are to him

I want to know JUST HOW TRICKY of maneuvering it took to get those pages.

Clockwork is in Sly Cooper 4 you need to look around on some of the missions

"What is this Raccamagookus we have here?"

Plus the very transformation from flesh to metal would help with the Penelope like a father daughter relationship

Has there been any recent news on the Sly Cooper tv series? Btw it’s so cool to see how much you’ve grown bro incredible!

My biggest question is how did the villains use the pages to commit crimes? It's just a book for performing thiefy moves, not plans for weapons of mass destruction

Vtnvivi what if clockwerk took only certain sections to figure out how to take down the stronger cooper like learn their weaknesses

This could be a plit twist, what if clockwork and slys egyptian ancestor(forgot the ancestors name) were partners. Or even crazier, the ancestor lost his parents and clockwork was his godfather or something.

He probable had the pages with information about him, sly didn't have any info about him in the book before fighting clockwerk, but in sly 2 he mentions info in the book about clockwerk

I thought he took the page that was in the level "duel by the dragon" because bently said it was written in oak dialect and to get to the page sly would have to defeat clockwork

I'm 16 hours late. No I was playing Sly Cooper. I love your Sly Cooper videos. Especially Clockwork.

Either we didnt see cause it was the last level. Or he just let the rest of the group take them cause he didnt care, just wanted to end the coopers. Or i like to think maybe he took pages of unmentioned ancestors and their pages contained skills that appeared in sly 2. Like the uppercut slam, or charge attack, or stealth slide etc.

Not sure you'll see this one but I figured I'd give my opinion. I think Clockwerk would have gone for two Cooper's specifically. First being the first Cooper and the second being the Cooper who Clockwerk started the grudge with. Clockwerk didn't take the pages on Slytunkhamen II and he was in the pictures of him. Maybe it was Slytunkhamen I or maybe even further back than that but either way his grudge must have been going on long enough for Clockwerk to be in full crazy mode. As for the earliest written Cooper I'd say to see how this family even started and kept going on and on.

If they ever do make a Sly 5 I wanna see a return from Clockwerk and I mean actual Clockwerk not that Clock-La bullshit we got in Sly 2.

What if the pages Clockwerk took were the pages detailing the unexplained charge attacks in the later games?

Brillant theory but I feel I should point out all the optional vaults in Sly 1. I think the 5 did split the book but only kept the really important pages on hand. The rest was just scattered in vaults around their home turff.

I believe that Clockwerk stole Connor Cooper's section of the Thievius Raccoonus. That's the only ancestor who Sly has not read about or taken skills from the book, as prior to the events of The Cooper Vault, Sly did not know how to slide on lasers even though that was his father's technique. You could argue: "Maybe Connor didn't get a chance to write it in time." And of course that makes sense, but you'd think he would want Sly to learn his newly acquired skill at some point. Another piece of evidence stems from Sly's lack of knowledge of Le Paradox's family line and their rivalry with the Cooper Clan (although maybe previous ancestors wrote about this before, though Sly had not mentioned them before). As to WHY Clockwerk stole his particular section is unknown. My theory is that he gave those pages to Dr. M per his request and maybe it was in those pages that Dr. M found out where the Vault was located (although I doubt this because McSweeny knew where the island so I assume Dr. M and McSweeny had come to the island previously. But then, why would Dr. M need directions?). Connor was a scientist and inventor, and maybe his sections of the books contained gadgets he developed and with that Dr. M used it as a blueprint for all of his inventions that we see in Sly 3.

I love your Sly videos!

Just came.across this. Your Dr. M/Clockwerk trade deal really made me think thag it could be true. You really get in the minds and make people think. Great!

Regarding Clockwerk and his pages, the closest thing to a page from him in the first game is that very last extra page you have to defeat him before opening the safe because of "owl dialect" in the code or whatever Bentley said. I think it was something they contrived because of that cutscene you earn after finding all the pages that's supposed to make sense after Clockwerk is defeated. Sly says in it that it's been fully restored, but I always was confused as to what you get from Clockwerk because of the whole splitting thing. I used to think he kept the cover.

Accidentaly suscribed. But I like your videos, so I guess it was the fate XD

0:00 - What number is this in Clockwerk theories? I lost count. :P 0:32 - We all prefer this guy over how he is represented in this game in terms of appearance, backstory, his plan and boss fight(s) ... unlike another villain of the 4th game. :P 1:02 - Given how the other members of the gang had pages from multiple minor Coopers and one from a major ancestor each, it'd be fair to say that Clockwerk had the pages of the major ancestors that we learn about in the 3rd game, only the ones that aren't Rioichi, Tennessee, Slytunkhamen and/or Otto. 1:21 - Don't forget the optional pages from the minor Coopers! 1:59 - They do have more then one page each but those pages are optional so you're more then welcome to pick whether or not to count them. 2:08 - But what about that line Sly says in that battle with Clockwerk? "The Thievius Raccoonus doesn't create great thieves, it takes great thieves to create the Thievius Raccoonus." Take the mandatory pages out for one minute and that's how those lines playout the meaning. 3:27 - I did like that comparison with the skills of the ancestors to that of the villains. :) 4:12 - That is true, even Muggshot wouldn't fit as one of the guys who stole a page since he barely remembers what's on them and from which book. :P 4:35 - XD that's right! That's what Muggshot called it! The "Thingus Raccomagucus"! 5:47 - Remember they always found a way to beat him, maybe that's what he wanted to see in the pages, to see how. :/ 5:59 - Yeah TGX had that in his amature rewrite of the intro of the 3rd game in case you haven't seen that yet. 6:13 - He probably thought he deserved way more then what he always earned with the gang. :P 7:22 - Particularly the ancestor that were in the Cooper vault besides the 4 in the 1st game. 9:07 - Not to me but I guess I'll go along with it. :/ 9:47 - Or just regular owls in search of food, particularly mice. 10:14 - Maybe his knights of the Cooper Order were smarter then him which lead to them besting Clockwerk? 10:54 - And his talons as well. 12:20 - Maybe that could be the case. 13:31 - Always happy to watch. :) 13:47 - OK. :/

I think it would be a big shock and find his dads pages if they were ever included in the thievius raccoonus and learn the laser slide but like cmon there wouldlnt be much places in sly 2 to laser slide

What if they were unfinished page. Back to Clockwerk's past, or future, it could be that he actually came from the future and that he had a crush on a Cooper, but she dumped him when he told her and he got the HATE!!! How he became machine is still up to you.

Clockwork took some kind of cane modification move and I may say this cooper wrong but he took the disguise technique from Thateunes cooper

Okay. I’ll bring up one interpretation I LOVED from reading a fanfic; The Panda King and the rest of the 5, besides Clockwork, didn’t know Clockwork was going to kill Sly’s father. So when it was revealed to them, Panda King ended up sealing the door to the closet, too late sadly, but it was also Panda King that took Sly to the orphanage. Now, in the fanfic they do give Mrz Ruby, Mugshot, and Panda King Redemption arcs that actually are believable. But I do like that interpretation of these events. Just thought I’d share them without spoiling the entire story…which even fixes Sly 4…and I’m not joking. Edit: 4:53 Okay, story also had an OC villain which was after the pages for global conquest. And each page was taken because, “Take it or die,” from Clockwork. Who later reveals that Clockwork wanted to prove to the underworld that Sly’s family name was nothing without the book. Add to it, he was able to read the book, because time travel shenanigans. Edit edit: 8:29 Once again, Fanfic does actually give a reason for this, but it’s towards the end so…spoilers. Edit, edit, edit: 11:36 Again, the fic explains it in an interesting way.

The pages found in the vaults is something you're leaving out, if you try to get the stun before you've beaten clockwerk, Bentley says that the clues are written in owl code, so the pages he stole were definitely about him.

According to the sly wiki Very few Cooper knew about him and those who did wrote how his parts work in their pages. So what if clockwork took the pages of the few Coopers who he had fought so sly wouldent know his weakneses if he ever regained the other pages?

I don't think the order changed would've the abilities they would've gotten or paves stolen. The character and their abilities and boss fights were already made they just change positions.

It's weird even though I'm stuck in Egypt I still haven't seen Slytunkhmen II or Clockwork

I think it would be cool if Playstation would publish the Thievius Raccoonus just so the fans can see what is in the book.

You know, I keep hearing “panda king was originally going to be first,” but what doesn’t make sense is that the first stage of Tide of Terror was the first level that they show off all the different versions of the levels. Where did you hear that?

I think he kept sly alive specifically to fuel his hate chip. With the whole clan wiped out he would lose his fixation and power.

We need a game with both characters.Continuing the game where they show how clockwerk came to be because he wasnt always a machine. From the looks of the scene in sly 2 where he loojed like a golden owl. Would like to see where they go to egypt and find this owl that gets defeated by sly. Creating this hate for the coopers and egypt ends up having this special metal and you see clockwerk come to life. Creating almost a full curcle to the first game. I know there is alot missing in this. I just wanted to make it short. Somethings might not even make sense but i have always been a sly fan and have played all games multiple times.all to 100%

well if u take the book open it in the middle and take pages from the middle to the end clockwerk took the last page and the first page first ? or something like that no ? the last page being his fathers page and the first being the first cooper thief so egypt ? idk :/

I kinda thought he stole the pages of the book about sly’s dad until I saw the play through of the 3rd game

I miss this series of games

The thievious racoonus is basically the cooper bible but you learn ninja skills