your Comparison of the DDC and d5 Pump is a tad broken. the DDC is a Floating Impeller with heat from the coils being removed outside the casing of the pump the DDC operates at a Higher RPM with a smaller Impeller. its flow is Lower but its pressure is Higher. the DDC because of this high RPM is louder but smaller and also is prone to overheating the D5 is ALSO a floating impeller pump but the heat output from its coils is displaced into the water by means of a Stainless steel housing. this means the Fluid removes heat from the pump and the pump does not have to worry about overheating coils. the D5 is a higher wattage 40w vs 18w and has a larger but slower moving impeller. this means more flow but less torque and less noise both Pumps Operate on the same Principles of Maglev and as such don't really "wear out" from use as the only moving part is an Impeller that sits in water./coolant. the Biggest weakness is Solid coolants gelling or Particulates causing corrosion of the internal body (DDC's also can overheat)

Just built a SFF, watercooled PC. Too fun. A little scary disassembling a 3090 to put a water block on it, but otherwise a ton of fun! All soft tubing, all black, no window because who wants to see this disaster? I love this PC.

Some people have emotional support alligators, others have emotional support liquid cooling loops. Whatever works for you!

Soft tubing ftw! Been huge fan of the Tygon norprene for years, great for all around use and it's always pretty clean unlike the zmt stuff, also pretty robust.. Did a couple of hard lined systems back in the day but I got bored of it, also too much of a hassle so I switched back to norprene with qdcs. It does take more adapters/extensions to make it look "good" (if you have ocd and you want everything to line up like me lol) but the end result is great and you can switch out any part with ease. EK does an even smaller FLT Wendel, the FLT 80 for both D5s and DDCs, might help ya more regarding spacing.

I have had an EK FLT 80 DDC in my NR200 for almost a year . Initially everything was looking good but after 11 months when took my system down for yearly maintenance i found micro cracks all around the ports incl those that were never used so i am pretty sure this is not user error ( used port were carefully tighten by hand anyways ). Very disapointed , thankfully i was well within warranty period but that's definitely something for people to look out . I would avoid acrylic ports at all cost , especially those from EKWB ( Alphacool reps claim their acrylic is stronger but yeah don't have personal experience with them in order to judge). Thankfully companies like IceMan make acetal pump/res for SFF and Alphacool has come up with some new distro plates with metal reinforced ports so there is hope they will implement something like this in their Rise Flat DDC/D5 resevoirs in the near future and hopefully it becomes a standard for all manufacturers.

You guys have been knocking it out of the park with the build and gaming centric videos! Thanks for all the great content.

Swift tech makes their Apogee drive ii, which is a CPU block that has a mount for a DDC pump. Works pretty well. Alphacool makes a small pump block combo called the Eisbar LT but that has their LT pump in it, and it's a bit weaker. It's only really intended for a DIY AIO style CPU cooler. You can upgrade the pump to their higher powered one that will do the job for a GPU as well. Those all save a ton of space.

Thanks for all the info. I really like these kinds of reviews..

I'd love to see a 64 core epyc sff build.

Would love to see an updated version of this video, simply fantastic content!

My issue was always having enough quick disconnects to complete the loop. As much as I plan, things change, and I end up short on something. Glad I'm not trying to do a custom loop for now.

I've been planning a SFF threadripper for a while now and the biggest downside to mini-itx is that you only get 2 RAM slots. Doing it in micro-atx is way more preferred but getting a case that keeps the footprint small is tricky.

I like the new intro/background music!

This is pretty amazing, it would most likely also be my go-to if i ever did SFF. Still rocking my corsair 400C case and loving exceptional temps from my Raijintek Morpheus2 gpu cooler though. But this is just great!

I love my NZXT H1 because it doesn't take a lot of desk space. One thing I didn't take into account is how much a case fan is really needed. Since it doesn't have an exhaust fan on the case the heat just builds up in it, like real bad. Set up a USB fan that sits next to the case and it makes a huge difference getting even a little bit of air moving through.

Super fun video, and sweet beats

hit the nail in the coffin w/ falling into the blackhole. thinking about building my own sff computer, and this video just affirmed that i am willfully insane. instantly subbed!

I remember using car parts and stuff from the hardware store to water-cool CPUs in the early 2000s... We've come so far.

Wendell in full retail therapy mode

For sff builds I usually use one of those pump/block combos you showed but with no reservoir. I just use QDC fittings and a spare d5+reservoir externally to bleed all the air out. EK's slim rads really suck though. There is no reason to go with them ever. The bitspower FE blocks suck too. The finstack is rotated 45 degrees and doesn't even cover the whole die.

Can we get a series on 3D printing?

For my last build I went with a meshify mini C and it's just the right size of case for me. Any smaller and I think it would be too much of a hassle to work on. Which reminds me, my computer has been crashing with page fault errors and I need to figure out why. it only happens when watching youtube and doing other stuff like gaming and I'm pretty sure it's my ram. The corsair sticks I have in there don't seem to work at any where near capacity when I try to use their XMP profile and manual tuning just resulted in instability. It could be that my motherboard is just kind of old, I bought an older b450 tomahawk to save money when I built the machine and flashed the bios to work with the newer 3600x Ryzen cpu I bought. My corsair sticks were on the compatibility list when I bought them but who knows what jank I've introduced with the flashed bios! Fun times!

I have a black NR200 with the iceman pump/res mounted with dual 240mm radiators. It cools my 5900x / 3080 system amazingly

Thanks!

Very interesting video! Liquids and electronic scare the hell out of me though. Was your 3090 overclocked?

Crazy fun, do more ITX stuff! :D

I bought tons of 16/10 tubing and Koolance QDC fittings. Lots of space in a big case and many 560 and 480 rads.

I left soft tubing because I got tired of cleaning plasticizer out of my blocks. Hard tubing is more work in setup and harder to change pieces but less cleaning. I recently used Tygon tubing for a friend's build. If it works as advertised I will probably go with that for my next build.

In the quick release system video clip I do not see any quick release

will epyc milan work on wrx80 ie. M12SWA-TF

Sat here designing a bracket to mount my pump/res in a sff case while I listen to this. My first custom loop and I'm learning a lot. Can definitely recommend this kind of project.

Back in the day I was given a r9-290x lightning and I built my first SFF PC. I just cut a slot in the side of the case for the edge of the waterblock to fit in there. Later, when I got a smaller GPU I put a piece of tape over the hole.

where can i buy one already made!

Is it still a SFF build when you are mounting a bunch of stuff to the exterior of the case?

ducts that feed the exhausts directly into a window AC unit

Laptop water cooling recommendations?

I'm keen to build a small form factor workstation (AMD X570 based), but the problem for me is the 64GB limit on RAM. I use large orchestral sample libraries to write music and find 128GB, as in my old computer, is enough to do the job. I'm not aware of an ITX board that supports 128GB. Shame.

When it comes to sff builds I like to go with hwlabs radiators due to the fin density or xspc tx rads because they're only 20mm thick

I love the Music! It reminds me of WobbleDogs.

Im in Asia, how good is Bykski?

i strongly agree with the "fitting is a whole new level of insane" XD always have more fittings than u think u'll need... i'm slowly moving my sys from o11d to 5000d with dual d5 in serial -_-

ITX is definitely 21st century ship in a bottle building.

If you go with dual pumps, do they run parallel or in series?

Maybe a building a ship in a reservoir in a water cooled mini ITX build would be the hardest….

I built a retro case PC, it’s ridiculously hard to have it somewhat quiet without watercooling.

I bought the z690 version would love to see the review and a SFF build with it because thats my goal with a 12900k

You mentioned having two pumps in the same loop and for a concept I've wanted to do that'd be useful. Would both pumps need to be on the same Mobo header is my only question about it.

Are there any 6800XT blocks that aren't huge? Seems none of them would fit in the NCASE.

How common is the delayed start issue with these DDC pumps? I read about it and bought one anyway. Less than a year later the pump might take up to 5 minutes to start spinning from cold start!

I'll stick with my NH-D15, mainly because it's not a stupid price like $629.99.

Nice. I am looking forward to build a new System with B550 x Ryzen 5800x and Watercooling. THX

What are your thoughts on CPU Block + Pump combo units as oppose to a dedicated external pump ?

19:56 Did someone whisper about Epyc water blocks and iTX boards to you?!

RIP to the Ncase M1. They stopped selling it just a few days after this video's publishing.

Links to the parts would be helpful

I’ve Level1 up’d after watching this. You know, the really puzzling thing is why radiators are put inside the case. They should be on the outside to remove the heat better. Case manufacturers could come up with something to allow this.

SFF is neat but a pain to do

Optimum tech is the go to for this. It I love to see level ones take!

Why the vid so choppy? Or is it just my phone?

Someone has been watching Optimum Tech KEKW

19:55 There's an ITX Epyc board?

I’m currently in the process of shoving Ryzen 16 cores/64 GB,RTX 4090 with dual ddc pumps / triple rads & P28 fans in the NR200.

There is ALSO the issue of materials/metals. You cannot mix metals. You cause failures, gunk build up, all kinds of issues. Which people don't realize. EVEN IN THE CAR WORLD we know you cannot mix metals in cooling systems.... Today's computer builders will cry "liquid cooling sucks, you have to keep cleaning it out and refilling it" no not really. You should only have to refill it. And the only reason custom loops need to be refilled is because its not perfectly sealed like an AIO. A perfectly healthy AIO will never leak and never stop working. If the tubes are leaking, the material used might have been bad from manufacturer and they didn't know it. I have the old Antec Kuhler 920 and it STILL WORKS to this day. That thing launched in 2011!!! IT STILL WORKS. Now some might argue "yeah, it might work, but does it still cool the same amount" yes, for a single 120mm liquid cooler, it still performs like a 120mm liquid cooler. Then you have my NZXT X60 Kraken which is a 240mm AIO. I am talking about the OG kraken. When it first came out If my memory is right was in 2013. Again, super old I mean its freaking 2021..... IT STILL WORKS. I ended up shipping it to my friend along with my old 9590 with motherboard and memory and he is using it, guess what, IT STILL WORKS. He hasn't noticed any change in cooling performance. When you take care of your shit, it lasts. This idea that stuff fails, well either you were extremely unlucky or YOU caused the issue. I have seen people bend tubes and abuse their liquid cooler and wonder why the tubes cracked and started leaking.... People are super abusive and pretend like abuse doesn't break things. Even in relationship, abuse breaks the relationship.... but for some reason they think abusing their technology, wont break them.... insanity.

dat music with an incomplete "the lick" doe..

I thought we were gonna see Wendel actually build a custom loop... bummer.

$1000 ?? No way... I keep my aircooler

That external res is so cool!

Be aware, going water is addictive. I recently went water on my system and now I don't know if I want a system without it now.

If you can get a hold of an Asus or gigabyte RTX3080 Turbo to blow all that hot air out the back and run the 280 as CPU only.

where is Ali from Optimum Tech? pretty sure he would love to watch this video lol

JEESUS CHRIST, I think im going insane from hearing "The Lick" every couple of seconds. I really want to enjoy the video but this is driving me nuts xD

Wait... pets require feeding..? I'll be right back.

that pump is sick _engagement_

"..$200 GPU block is alot..." while 3090 FE with active backplate...~$600

Why can't you get truly upgradable AIO PC/monitor setups? The all in one PCs are usually cheap and nasty - surely they can design a plug and play base system? Water blocked GPUs with snaplock fittings are straight forward; A 27" monitor and stand is of sufficient size to house/ hide even an ATX sized motherboard.

We choose to build a dual rad system in the Ncase M1 and overclock it to hell, not because it's easy, but because it's hard. Because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our PC building and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to do, no matter the cost in fittings.

The times when the water cooling cost more than the computer it's going to cool. :-)

Someone please reverse the engineering process and please build the computer within the cooling tower

I got an RTX 3080 FE with Corsairs Block and, ye, same dimensions as like a GTX 1050 with a single fan but also just 1 Slot. Memory still permanently at 85°C but hey, me gotta need to pay of the card somehow

Would appreciate if Wendell would do a video comparison of both KDE & Gnome (pro's & cons) with their latest iterations. Many non-Linux folks seem to assume that Linux is just Ubuntu and don't even know the difference between DE's.

thanks for using normal units btw

Hard line water cooling is quite over rated to be honest, making your machine extremely inconvenient just to add a bit of looks does not attract me in the least...

Why can't PC hardware manufacturers make things less ugly? Why do they hate us?

Cheese

Small form factor builds are addicting be warned.

Price on water cooling crap is too expensive... spend it on better hardware instead.

SFF is complete BS