There are very few Jimmies in this world so we need to cherish him! ;)

Thank you, I also think JC is one of the best drummer ever, it is terrible to remember this era of the SP... and I still don"t know why they missed saying how JC felt during this time, about loosing his father.... how journalist's world is fucking crap, and who's next going to fall in these fucking' addicted rock bands.... this fucking journalists are the ones to be fired.... FUCK THEM.

I agree. Of course in a sick/artistic way the drugs made that album (MCIS) so dark it is beautiful beyond words, no one wants that kind of suffering for any human being but it really does make the art different/special. I am so glad he is well now. He is 'weller 'than me lol

@RockMeAmadeus I disagree wholeheartedly. Machina is amazing and so is Machina II . Adore is also a piece of work with that first Pumpkins sound - pre-Jimmy era new wave meets goth.

@RockMeAmadeus Then why bother replying to me if you don't care? Just leave it. lol

I think you’re right, but before Buddy Rich

Jimmy is incredible

He’s literally one that’s never talked about it’s a damn shame. Cause he’s literally one of the greatest out of the 90s.

Have you never heard of Greg bissonette or Chris Coleman or Eric Moore or Matt gartska?

@@Bumbaclot213 as a jazz drummer I have mixed feelings about buddy

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With real music they did. Will never compare to the shit today.

97 was the last year i think, before they started going TRL live

Believe it or not.. They used to play ONLY music videos with minimal VJ chit chat. It was pretty amazing.

@@Rand_al_Thor372 Man those were the good ol' days!

@@Rand_al_Thor372 I remember those days....

bitches be nervous n shit

It’s because she finally had an opportunity to speak up for once lol. She’s not used to being interviewed as Billy used to take all the interview time lol

She was on crack at the time

@@sonyabladesbooty3890 maybe she's nervous or just not articulate. No, she must be high on crack, lol

hah I just commented the same thing

Yes

He's a intelligent brainiac..that's his best trait

Can't agree more!!

@@jakeytedesco3003musical genius. He wrote Siamese Dream and Mellon collie in his 20s. Think about that. Let that sink in.

I was thinking the same thing

Back then there weren’t media backlashes and angry fans unless you said something truly awful. But now with even innocuous things being twisted out of context and social media allowing people to harass and bully others, I can understand why entertainers would be more guarded during interviews.

@@andrewhudson7108 Celebrities had balls back then. Billy still has balls, judging by recent interviews. You talk shit to him and he'll fling some right back.

Check out Rick Beato’s interviews.

so jimmy was a genius basically and the mummy's boy did not like it lol

"Well don't inter-f**kin-rupt!"

Oops... too late. lol

That’s what ya call “foreshadowing”. Yup

@@jipsasacno

😂😂

You like SP but not REM?

Did she.....!? Didn't realise that.,.

Yup. That and meth

Google her mug shot. She looked bad when she got popped with drugs.

lol yeah ironic isn't it!

True story 😂😂😂😂

Bleikr Sound what band were you in?

K

dude, were you in Red Red Meat? ( www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1994-04-09 )

Were you in Nelson?

@@TheColourflies The Nightshade Project - we were considered in the ‘Alternative’ and ‘Shoegaze’ genera of the 1990s.

I’m same age as you. I was there. I think the music changed. Maybe they ran out of good tunes. Like Placebo after 2 albums.

She didn't make it much longer before dropping off the face of the earth and doing hard drugs herself. It's a shame, she was gorgeous.

@@c_o_l_m I heard the drugs did a number on her.

You didnt know Darcy was hot.? So wtf

We will never be friends. She was my first crush

from 1988 to 1996 , she was hot

I agree, Thru the Eyes of Ruby is VERY underrated and actually my personal favorite Pumpkins tune, and that's saying a lot..... as there is not a song from Gish to now in the year 2020, that I truly cannot recite every single word to. Have seen them 14 times and of those..... they have played it 3 times live. It was 3 of the most amazing moments and memories in my life!!! AMAZING STUFF!!!

@@kiekosanchez3853 Porcelina on the Vast Oceans add to that.

David R - Either Rocket or Hummer are the most underrated songs.

@@jwebb6352 Yeah after Melon Collie that original Pumpkins era ended. Too bad it couldn't last forever.

It’s gorgeous. Super mesmerizing. When I first heard it I was in awe

I think it was nerves, you could tell it was awkward for him talking about it and definitely didn't want to go there

You could see Tabitha Soren lighting the powder keg when she asked "why do you need him so badly?" and he just snaps back "LISTEN!" haha

this aged well

I was wondering if it was just me who caught that

@@dcrea9416 haha i know right, gotta love darcy

I'm amazed. I didn't realise that Jimmy and James were back in the band

Yeah

He also plays guitar apparently

Great points!! I've been thinking that for years about darcy...

Ryan B. - Lots of people have an untreated "mental illness". It's very common, but their lives would be better if they took a daily med. & also had a couple trips to the psychiatrist. Unfortunately, there is still some resistance to getting help, & totally unnecessary shame attached to going to get help. More people overall, I think, are going to get help, before it's too late, or they damage their lives & reputation.

I'm wondering if it may have been stage anxiety (that Billy has commented on) and the miscarriage that she explained in an interview last winter.

Both Darcy and James had a real problem with Billy’s dictatorship he had in the band. But James however appears to be a very humble guy and quiet while Darcy seems to be more easily agitated. It’s a shame Darcy had a downward spiral and I hope she’s at least doing better or on a road to recovery.

Somethingclever life happens.

I think the camera had to cut at that point for some reason which made for an awkward pause mid conversation

I think he looked over at James at that point because of something about the two overdose incidents that they both knew about....like maybe one of them was defending Jimmy and Jonathan OR one was accusing and then that person realized the truth and felt stupid, The way James chimes in it seems like maybe he was defending them or maybe he was telling Billy he thought there was a problem all along - something like that. Definitely seems like they weren't on the same page about it till after the 2nd OD based on what they're saying(and aren't saying) and their body language/nervous laughter.

that is so true. d'arcy would quit the band 3 years later once jimmy returned clean and sober. a year later, the band called it quits only to return five-six years later but in a different incarnation w/ billy and jimmy.

thevoid99 Thank you, Wikipeidia.

Billy treated D’Arcy and James like shit. The fact that they stayed with him for over a decade despite that is the definition of loyalty.

antstein nietstna my mom and uncle knew all the members before and after they got big. Trust me jimmy all of them had their problems with one another but they kept going.

@@fathomrum jimmy kept secret of the other members problem?

It's a still from the (BTS) Bullet With Butterfly Wings video shoot. Fun fact.

Yeah, that short period before he shaved his head.

" *:^V* "

In which way??

@@NiueanHoney Probably vertical.

HappilyWithMonotony it was the 90s. Before everyone became fucking cry babies.

They first kept it private...then learned that is how people die. Addicts count on people to keep it quiet. When you know better, you do better and stop being that stupid, not hiding anything and making people accountable.

BA BF bullshit. Throwing people under the bus is not going to stop them taking drugs. Only they can.

You don't seem to comprehend it. It is not "throwing them under the bus" (and seriously, we're not 7th graders), but placing all responsibility and ownership on them, as they are the only ones who can do it, which only happens when all responsibility and ownership lies openly with them.

BA BF you're an idiot. I AM an ex-heroin user, and I've been one for 6 years before I finally was able to quit. Do you know what happened when people revealed my issues to other people? I told them to fuck off, and, if anything, I'd do more H because I was pissed off. I quit because I wanted to, not because people were talking behind my back (or not). Revealing private things such as drug addiction in an interview that is going to be watched by millions of people is not lying responsibility and ownership upon a person, it's being a scumbag. If they really cared they would have helped him, first by having a serious discussion and not pressuring people that have drug issues by asking them constantly "have you taken drugs?? are you sober??" like these idiots admitted they did, which only makes a person want to get high even more, and, secondly, having him rehabilitated in a facility that supplies buprenorphine or methadone (I don't know about the US but it's free here... and even if it wasn't, they have enough money to pay for one). They are scumbags (which I expected from Billy but not James and D'arcy) and no one should ever put individuals who have serious issues such as drug addiction and likely depression under public scrutiny. It has never helped and never will. Quitting opioids is hard, it's a lifelong battle, and has little if nothing to do with responsibility. When your addicted to heroin and you don't take it you feel sick and you need a long acting opioid like methadone to stop the withdrawal symptoms and to be able to taper off and gradually recover (upregulate) the opioid receptors. All the media coverage and pressure will not make any difference if a person is sick. They could have avoided Jonathan's dead but they did nothing even though they knew he had overdosed a few months earlier and this was after Kurt Cobain death so they all knew the risks involved in heroin addiction. They just didn't care, and the way Billy talks about him and Chamberlain shows what a little man he is.

Mishelle Rauth she had all the chances in the world, she didn't want to

Very, very well put.

He is one of the best but every drummer is replaceable. It might change the sound however. Only the songwriter is irreplaceable.

Lol clear-headed? We are talking about Billy Corgan

Herbert Colin Well, I challenge you, Herb, to name a single living rock musician who's as articulate and well-reasoned in both opinion and argument , particularly on matters of interpersonal relationships and the workings of the music business, two issues whch dominate his interviews, than our Billy. Now you could say Dylan but he's only ever said about 2% of what was on his mind, and don't say Zappa. He's been dead for generations. Townsend? Maybe. But he can no longer hear the questions. Peace.

roger murray 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

a.m. remorse I'm sure you can justify those choices. I've never heard Reznor speak. Brian Eno creates very boring ambient discs and has collaborated musically with people whose significance will far outlive his. I've heard him interviewed praising the great Scott Walker though, which I thought was nice.

roger murray, are you serious? Like, please Google this, it's well accepted that Billy Corgan is not only one of the most difficult people to get along with, that he is a walking contrarian who has contradicted himself about almost every celebrity he's ever dealt with just to get a headline or cash-grab. I mean, we're talking about a man that swears on his life that he knows lizard people are real because he saw someone once transform into another person in front of him. The band stopped making good music shortly after this interview, with Ava Adore being critically and commercially a flop, and Billy doing anything he can since then to maintain the status he once so enjoyed. I love early SP, but it's like you're from 1999 and haven't read a single headline regarding Corgan since then..

Dickie Holmes I didn’t know that, I know who Wendy is she was a long time member with Prince.

I think that is just about practice though. They will have rehearsed everything so hard in the early days because they all needed to get good at it together. Now you have Billy who can play everything standing on his head so he probably isn't motivated to work the band hard in practices day after day anymore. But if they did that, they could be as good.

I saw them in the 90s and it was boring as fuck.

The Internet Killed Music Maybe you preferred to listen Back Street Boys or NSynch at that time and you couldn't understand The Pumpkins music, what a pitty....

I paid to go and see them you dumbass.

The Internet Killed Music its what I mean... Even more dumb ass yourself who pays to watch a band that you even understand...

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

she kind of seemed like a concerned mother during that part

I think he just was just eager to speak...he tends to have a lot to say

And then in the polar opposite Universe, James sits there in utter silence.

yep he speaks almost same way about Her Now, F it we go on without her

"vacant stares added huge mystic presence"???

Swear when he said "we aren't going to retool the band around matt" I was reminded what a pretentious cunt he really was in the 90s😂

Andrew Rodriguez Thank you, I thought the same thing. What a bitch. They don't say that kind of shit these days. They really didn't say it in the late 90s either she's just.....a bitch. Did I say she's a bitch? Cause, well, you know.....

billy is a seriuos guy......a professional.why would he want to be in a band with a junkie who lied to him who could die onstage or tour????wake up

I blame heroin as the major reason that Rock died in the late 1990's. I mean come on, how many songs about being a depressed junky and how many of your heroes can die from the crap, before you get disgusted of it?

Michael, both D'Arcy and Billy said harsh truths in the interview. Why is she a bitch but Billy, who is actually KNOWN for being insanely difficult to be around, not an asshole? For saying the same things?

Thats rock n roll Corgan ,and yes....you signed up for it

D'arcy was a little drug addict.

She Didn't partake in hard drugs until 2000.

I don't doubt it.

Daniel Mcgreevy How in the world do you know that? Lmao

Billy and james both. Billy only did drugs on gish

Huh? His expression barely changed.

yeah I saw the slime pretty sure it's the Washburn not the dean

And this is why celebs today (or anybody at this point) cannot not speak frankly. Crystal Generation.

@@LockedInWithLovebirds It’s not that celebrities can’t talk frankly (and if that were the case I’m not exactly crying on behalf of those poor oppressed celebrities). It’s more that we’ve come a long way in the past 20 years in our clinical and public understanding of how addiction works.

@@entertain7us148 you said I feel dirty. Do you understand how stupid this sounds?

@@LockedInWithLovebirds it’s called an opinion…?

@@entertain7us148 you sound like a child speaking like that.

Billy Corgan was raised by his heroin addict Dad. He knows the brutal reality of addiction and that's why he didn't get into drugs himself and didn't want to have drug addicts in his band and life. Billy, James and D'arcy were so angry that Jimmy betrayed their trust and that a session musician they'd known for a month had derailed their career at the best most successful time for them.