SMT: Nocturne HD Remaster is Kind of Disappointing

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Because of popular demand, Atlus has finally released an HD remaster of the popular cult-classic PS2 JRPG Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne (featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series) for Nintendo Switch and PS4, but they didn't do much beyond that.
In this video, I talk about some of the shortcoming of the remaster, what's changed, what wasn't changed, how the game runs and looks, and whether or not I think it is worth a buy when it comes out in English.
R/Megaten Thread on Sound Compression: / nocturne_remaster_stil...
Link to Tweet containing the code hinting at Steam release: GarnetSunset/stat...
Outro song by Louverture:
Soundcloud: / eternalpunishment
Spotify: open.spotify.com/track/2cYa0F...
Intro by Lyric: / @lyric3595
Background by Leehzart: / leehzart1

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@angelq1902
@angelq1902 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that they use the compressed audio while having the audacity to release an ost makes this all the more insulting
@ramburgervalentine7621
@ramburgervalentine7621 3 жыл бұрын
The ost is actually compress lol.
@Gamexpertvids
@Gamexpertvids 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramburgervalentine7621 Yep especially the Level up and Terminal tracks. Some of them are genuine master tracks that didn't get released.
@areallyrealisticguyd4333
@areallyrealisticguyd4333 3 жыл бұрын
I don't even play SMT and I find it kind of insulting that they wouldn't even redo the cutscenes for a supposedly "fully remastered" game. It's like the shit Capcom pulled on Resident evil 4
@spongebobfan78
@spongebobfan78 3 жыл бұрын
@@areallyrealisticguyd4333 There's the possibility of the source files being lost. IIRC, JP companies that aren't Nintendo usually don't archive stuff after developing games. Doesn't excuse the music though, especially if those have official uncompressed versions released.
@remusventanus5341
@remusventanus5341 3 жыл бұрын
@@spongebobfan78 Pretty sure you can torrent the uncompressed version. Lol
@NotSoEpicFacepalm
@NotSoEpicFacepalm 3 жыл бұрын
"SMTIV was a great translation & took only a month and a half" *Looks at EU release
@FreyOdyssey
@FreyOdyssey 3 жыл бұрын
god damn have I waited long to play SMTIV in Europe... and in the end we only got a digital release. The ironic thing? Apocalypse got a physical release
@nowtmrb3337
@nowtmrb3337 3 жыл бұрын
@@FreyOdyssey Ahh so thats why I cant find a physical copy of IV in my country I was literally interested in buying a 3DS for it and yet again there's no ESHOP IN MY COUNTRY so the only way to play IV IS EMULATED
@cliffturbo2146
@cliffturbo2146 3 жыл бұрын
If Nintendo is closing Eshop, then it's basically impossible for EU to play the game.
@Seaweedsz
@Seaweedsz 3 жыл бұрын
Just Let Me Die I am from Peru and I had the same problem. I suggest you to “cheat” and put that you are in the United States in the console configurations. I bought a few games like that.
@OrmylLP
@OrmylLP 3 жыл бұрын
@@cliffturbo2146 Devil Survivor OC would also become nigh unplayable as you cant download the patch that fixes the softlocking bug etc
@TARINunit9
@TARINunit9 3 жыл бұрын
I read in some interviews that they were absolutely obsessed with posterity and parity with the original version. They were actively avoiding changes from the original, hiring QA staff to make sure the game was as similar to the original as possible. I think we can tell with this attitude, that adding QoL changes and modern conveniences was something they were actively avoiding
@anonienonie
@anonienonie 3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, if you could link me to those interviews, it'd be much appreciated!
@TARINunit9
@TARINunit9 3 жыл бұрын
@@anonienonie An abridged translation can be found here: www.frontlinejp.net/2020/07/30/shin-megami-tensei-iii-nocturne-hd-remaster-director-interview/
@anonienonie
@anonienonie 3 жыл бұрын
@@TARINunit9 thank you!
@PathBeyondTheDark
@PathBeyondTheDark 3 жыл бұрын
Think they are misunderstanding what people wanted. Unfortunate. Atlus is pretty spectacular at some things, one of the best at a few, but also extremely poor at others and fairly egregious with DLC at an EA-lite level.
@blumiu2426
@blumiu2426 3 жыл бұрын
@@PathBeyondTheDark I guess they thought too many more changes and they'd get hate for it. I get that, but they could have put out a questionaire for fans
@brayanramiles8502
@brayanramiles8502 3 жыл бұрын
The Nocturne for steam will be basically: fans do what Atlus doesn't
@komi_san_is_god
@komi_san_is_god 3 жыл бұрын
If the game even makes it to steam
@stale2665
@stale2665 3 жыл бұрын
@@komi_san_is_god I'd be surprised if it didn't. I'm not sure if I want to buy it for any other platform now. I was planning on getting the switch version because I liked the idea of having it on a portable system, but now that it's apparent that the Switch performance is awful, Steam is the most "portable platform" for me, as I can just log in to a PC if I'm visiting someone and download the game there and get the save files from Steam Cloud. Or play it on a laptop.
@_mako
@_mako 3 жыл бұрын
yep, just look at all the p4g mods out there
@arigat-s0244
@arigat-s0244 3 жыл бұрын
@@_mako Yeah, tell me about it, there are even mods that add some content to the game...it's impressive.
@farouktalbi863
@farouktalbi863 3 жыл бұрын
If you have been following the news or leaks if you want to call it that, there have been someone on twitter who found a code in the SMT 3 Nocturne that lists STEAM alongside PS4 ans Switch, so I'd say at most the game "might" get released on STEAM alongside or after the west release EDIT : Nevermind, it's been mentioned hahaha
@shonntheghost3745
@shonntheghost3745 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a time traveler, this is me coming to tell you that the voice acting is...okay
@fanaticbat4437
@fanaticbat4437 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll take your word for it
@vaporfox115
@vaporfox115 3 жыл бұрын
Lets just see if you're right.
@TheKewlPerson
@TheKewlPerson 3 жыл бұрын
I could see that being the case. I feel like Soul Hackers wasn't as impressive as Atlus's other English voice work.
@KrimsonKracker
@KrimsonKracker 3 жыл бұрын
If P3, P4 and P5 are any indication, we should expect some high quality VA for the most part. It's difficult finding many other JP games with Persona levels of voicework quality + quantity though... (maybe FF7:R).
@BlankForAReason
@BlankForAReason 3 жыл бұрын
Yo dm me lotto winnings for next year February kansas
@jackcaldarone6971
@jackcaldarone6971 3 жыл бұрын
"Japan always overprices stuff" Cries in Canadian
@Mudlink
@Mudlink 3 жыл бұрын
Damn straight (at least we aren't Brazil).
@dralakba-dusk31
@dralakba-dusk31 3 жыл бұрын
Cries in Brazil But hey at least we got a tax drop in games from 50% to 40% and just recently we got it to 30% so we're working on it
@dralakba-dusk31
@dralakba-dusk31 3 жыл бұрын
@@byel2844 i think 5, now that the prices for next gen consoles dropped
@ricardomaldonado5643
@ricardomaldonado5643 3 жыл бұрын
*cries in México* The taxes on games are bullshit here
@dralakba-dusk31
@dralakba-dusk31 3 жыл бұрын
@@ricardomaldonado5643 we feel you bro, you got our simpaty :)
@gamertoon8230
@gamertoon8230 3 жыл бұрын
6:43 So this remasters level of quality is more so on the same level as the Devil may cry hd collection. Atlus, just because Dante is in the game, that doesn't mean you need to put in the same level of effort as Capcom.
@remusventanus5341
@remusventanus5341 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao. This.
@Joker-nh6dd
@Joker-nh6dd 3 жыл бұрын
And at least for that it felt like some semblance of value since its 2 games in 1 (no I will not count dmc2)
@ACWall985
@ACWall985 3 жыл бұрын
o so Dante is in the remaster??
@RowsenW
@RowsenW 3 жыл бұрын
US: Wow this ATLUS localisation is taking forever! PAL: First time?
@GinraiPrime666
@GinraiPrime666 3 жыл бұрын
In some cases for us in PAL regions its never!
@kittykat5090
@kittykat5090 3 жыл бұрын
i feel really bad for PAL tbh 😔
@GinraiPrime666
@GinraiPrime666 3 жыл бұрын
@@kittykat5090 When it comes to slowdown we don't have that issue nowadays, pretty much all TVs over here in the PAL region and releases here don't suffer from the old 50hz/60hz issue anymore, its still something to keep in mind for retro gamers but most of us over here try to play and use consoles in the NTSC format so we can have the full speed and no slowdown with older titles. When it comes to never getting releases, especially with certain companies like Atlus, its still rough but at least they're making more and more progress.
@GoodlyPenguin
@GoodlyPenguin 3 жыл бұрын
It's really disheartening to know that the HD Remaster has severe frame rate drops and compressed music EVEN THOUGH Altus released the uncompressed beautifully sounding OST like 10 years ago. What happened to this game?
@RainaAudron
@RainaAudron 3 жыл бұрын
The tracks on that original OST release were not full length, though, unlike in the game... I was hoping they would fix it this time.
@mikhielbluemon4213
@mikhielbluemon4213 3 жыл бұрын
Frame rate is only on the Switch. The footage I've seen of the ps4 looks butter smooth.
@bruhmomentomori7771
@bruhmomentomori7771 3 жыл бұрын
Fortunately, the frame rate issues only harbor on the Switch version. From what I’ve heard and seen, the PS4 version is quite smooth as far as frame rates go.
@yuuhyakuya3863
@yuuhyakuya3863 3 жыл бұрын
@@bruhmomentomori7771 from what I heard, it's the engine. Ps4 has some issues as well because Unity isn't compatible with consoles like it is with PC
@Dev-nr4dw
@Dev-nr4dw 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikhielbluemon4213 PS4 version has frequent and insane stuttering during exploration, far from butter smooth.
@TheShadowFlareGaming
@TheShadowFlareGaming 3 жыл бұрын
"SMT IV Only took a month and a half" Meanwhile as a person in the UK who plays the game in English.
@raidenlegigaboss
@raidenlegigaboss 3 жыл бұрын
or as a person from other european countries who waited the same amount of time, and didn't get any FIGS translations whatsoever
@thelastgogeta
@thelastgogeta 3 жыл бұрын
Or as someone who imported a 3DS from another region and had to wait the PAL region to come out while hoping it is still physical.
@leogh1378
@leogh1378 3 жыл бұрын
"Kotaku journalist difficulty mode" Gold.
@mi2-c035
@mi2-c035 3 жыл бұрын
Yamai did specifically say in a livestream that was made for those journalists who kept complaining for years that they couldn't finish an SMT.
@somnia3423
@somnia3423 3 жыл бұрын
@@mi2-c035 omg....
@BitchChill
@BitchChill 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen a Kotaku journalist die in P5 prologue
@BenHowe901
@BenHowe901 3 жыл бұрын
@@BitchChill Wait how? Like, those sections are almost entirely scripted. That shouldn't be possible.
@professionalfangster1510
@professionalfangster1510 3 жыл бұрын
I was sent into straight fits when I heard that.
@hakurei3355
@hakurei3355 3 жыл бұрын
3:02 "A month and a half" Europe : *Why are we still here? Just to suffer?*
@YThdhs
@YThdhs 3 жыл бұрын
Americans don't know our pain
@GinraiPrime666
@GinraiPrime666 3 жыл бұрын
Given we didn't even get HALF of the games Atlus brought out, let alone games from the likes of Square Enix, Nintendo, Sega, Konami and such back in the day to name afew, us in PAL territories have suffered far, far, FAR worse. Its sad that while region locking is becoming less and less of an issue, the fact we still have to even question if we're getting something now is just depressing.
@bioblade
@bioblade 3 жыл бұрын
if they remastered it in Unity, then that means that they rewrote the entire logic in Unity, that means someone had to implement the random skill inheritance, and not do anything about it
@DonWalkJr
@DonWalkJr 3 жыл бұрын
Pain :'( Although I hear its in a wrapper in unity, not exactly remade. Regardless they are still editing parts of the game (i.e. translating Raidou version)
@dbgvideos6133
@dbgvideos6133 3 жыл бұрын
Trust me im a programmer
@DonWalkJr
@DonWalkJr 3 жыл бұрын
@@dbgvideos6133 Trust you with what?
@krisskross7700
@krisskross7700 3 жыл бұрын
@@DonWalkJr yh, what does that even mean lol? Does he mean he agrees with the original comment or not? Unless it's the same guy on a different account
@tovi3280
@tovi3280 3 жыл бұрын
@@krisskross7700 he means trust him He’s a programmer
@UltLuigi1
@UltLuigi1 3 жыл бұрын
The answer to a lot of your complaints is "that would take work, Atlus doesn't want to spend work on a remaster"
@darkslayerdon2133
@darkslayerdon2133 3 жыл бұрын
Why not especially if it will get new fans drawn to smt also that's a horrid excuse when persona 4 golden and persona 5 royal exists
@iker-jk2096
@iker-jk2096 3 жыл бұрын
@@darkslayerdon2133 Because it's atlus. Yeah, atlus has amazing games, but as a company, it isn't as great
@UltLuigi1
@UltLuigi1 3 жыл бұрын
@@darkslayerdon2133 Those were updated rereleases designed to expand on a relatively recent game. Nocturne is getting close to two decades old at this point, and isn't their cash cow brand. The fact that they didn't even hesitate to just outright cut Raidou out of the Chinese version of the game should say it all; they don't really care about SMT, just Persona.
@RandallHidalgoS21allas96
@RandallHidalgoS21allas96 3 жыл бұрын
​@@UltLuigi1 yes, it is an old game, but also is one of their best known games, al least within the rpg genre it is known by virtually everyone. Maybe SMT persona is more popular, but Nocturne is (and this is totally subjective) better. And don't forget it was famous because its difficulty, and that should be taken into consideration. Actually, because it is that old they could have been more attentive (idk if that is the word i wanna use, sorry) and do a proper game.
@UltLuigi1
@UltLuigi1 3 жыл бұрын
@@RandallHidalgoS21allas96 "within the RPG genre it is known by everyone" That's the flaw in your logic. Atlus doesn't make games for RPG fans anymore. They make games for Persona fans and sometimes SMT fans, with the odd port from a decade ago
@julien2983
@julien2983 3 жыл бұрын
Skill inheritance is patched now
@dakshrai
@dakshrai 3 жыл бұрын
Just need uncompressed music now and this game will be everything I dreamed of 💖
@mytube25988
@mytube25988 3 жыл бұрын
What else did they patch so I can see if the game will be worth buying on English release? Though I guess I can just wait and see.
@AlexKJo-dz4fw
@AlexKJo-dz4fw 3 жыл бұрын
is there english voices or just japanese?
@ZeroShaneBob
@ZeroShaneBob 3 жыл бұрын
@@AlexKJo-dz4fw the Amazon description says "choose between Japanese and English VO"
@AlexKJo-dz4fw
@AlexKJo-dz4fw 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroShaneBob thanks
@cireza_
@cireza_ 3 жыл бұрын
10 years ago, Atlus did not know that Europe existed though.
@teteiyus5762
@teteiyus5762 3 жыл бұрын
What makes you that think? SMT: Nocturne was one of the few games with multiple translations like German and French. Not "only" english. So I guess Atlus heard about europa one or twice. ;-)
@Venom3254
@Venom3254 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, France is fictional
@VonFirflirch
@VonFirflirch 3 жыл бұрын
@@teteiyus5762 Were those translations any good though? I'm french and I just started playing SMT IV, I had some questions about what a status actually did, so I opened up the Virtual Manual and... The best answer I got was that they used Google Translate. xD
@Sora2314
@Sora2314 3 жыл бұрын
Frame rate issues, still compressed soundtrack, no quality of life features such as choosing skills during fusion. What a shame. Should’ve just remade the whole game from the ground up.
@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841
@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 3 жыл бұрын
Yep but Atlus are too lazy to remake the game
@byeebitch
@byeebitch 3 жыл бұрын
So disappointed... Rerolling skills during fusion takes so much time and it's nerve-wrecking when you can't get the skill you want. Lucky for games such as P4G and P5/R.
@justinmckenzie3318
@justinmckenzie3318 3 жыл бұрын
Yep this takes me back to all p3 variations all over again. That was a nightmare.
@deoclasher88
@deoclasher88 3 жыл бұрын
@@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 yeah u may be right. They don't like remaking games but they sure love rereleasing them
@blizzardforonline1954
@blizzardforonline1954 3 жыл бұрын
@@byeebitch Don't forget about Persona Q and Q2! Those games let you choose skills, too!
@NeXuS_i_Beyond
@NeXuS_i_Beyond 3 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to a potential steam release, so that the community fixes all the issues discussed in this vid with some dank mods
@idea4965
@idea4965 3 жыл бұрын
They gonna replace Raidou with Petter Griffin
@blackliquidsorrow8249
@blackliquidsorrow8249 3 жыл бұрын
Same. The stuff that's been done with Persona 4 is already great
@glitchman1272
@glitchman1272 3 жыл бұрын
The game's been leaked for a Steam release, so it's happening for the western release
@MILDMONSTER1234
@MILDMONSTER1234 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe an actual fucking skill selector instead of Rng BS perhaps lol
@stonalisa3729
@stonalisa3729 3 жыл бұрын
@@glitchman1272 can u link a source? I’m hyped for that
@ayaanabdullah937
@ayaanabdullah937 3 жыл бұрын
They added selectable skills in! I might just go out of way to purchase this now
@shinotenshi202
@shinotenshi202 3 жыл бұрын
"It's embarrassing how incomplete Atlus is when translating" Nyarly, please, meet Falcom. Great games, great translations but awfully long WW release times.
@k.s854
@k.s854 3 жыл бұрын
I wish Falcon games only took a year like Atlus games. It doesn’t help that Trails games end with brutal cliffhangers.
@k.s854
@k.s854 3 жыл бұрын
@@xYumi145 Yeah I wish the Crossbell games had an official English localization. If you didn't know there is a really good fan translation.
@rollforrupees6479
@rollforrupees6479 3 жыл бұрын
I really want the crossbell games to have an official translation, they deserve it for how good they are
@LayHon0217
@LayHon0217 3 жыл бұрын
This is completely different though, Falcom doesn't translate their own games, other companies do it for them. You would never play a Ys or LoH in english if they were taking care of the translation (also LoH scripts are infinitely bigger than any SMT game, so eh)
@Chocula
@Chocula 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not buying into Atlus being somehow inept at translating. We live in an age where anime episodes are simulcast/subbed the day of release, vtubers can have 6 hour streams translated and subbed within the same day, and fucking Final Fantasy 7 Remake having a worldwide simultaneous release in multiple languages with multiple voice dubbing tracks. Let's not pretend Atlus is broke - they make BANK rereleasing every Persona game twice. This isn't a translating issue - its an Atlus issue expecting the thirsty fanbase to eat up whatever bullshit they put out.
@coolcool5181
@coolcool5181 3 жыл бұрын
They're adding english voice acting, add that with the pandemic, and I can see why it would be a problem. China and Korea don't have to wait because their versions just have the japanese voices. Now, to nitpick the simulcast thing, they don't actually translate the episodes of anime in 1 hour. Translators get ahold of the literal script for the episode at least a week in advance. While you can get translations kinda fast, high quality professional-grade translations take time.
@dbgvideos6133
@dbgvideos6133 3 жыл бұрын
Atlus fans are truly the simps of the gaming world
@antant6217
@antant6217 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people have pity parties for Atlus and I don't know why. Nocturne doesn't even have long cutscenes or that many instances of voice acting assuming generic npcs aren't voiced. Atlus doesn't need to overcharge us for DLC either. At least when NIS does it they were on the verge of bankruptcy, but Atlus just does it because they know that fans will let them get away with scummy practices.
@Fuggettabouttitt
@Fuggettabouttitt 3 жыл бұрын
Lol Final Fantasy VII Remake wouldn't be my first choice as evidence for your argument..
@sor3999
@sor3999 3 жыл бұрын
Simulcast translation quality can be really spotty. Unless it's Funimation or something where they can get the script ahead of time. And that's really it, it's about coordinating with international teams. I feel Japanese developers don't really hand anything off until they have the game mastered and ready for production.
@kwotofinal9304
@kwotofinal9304 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still astonished by the fact that smt2 is still not localized, even though 1 and 3 are already localized
@dralakba-dusk31
@dralakba-dusk31 3 жыл бұрын
but sadly not the ps1 version of smt1 tho
@fishactivation5087
@fishactivation5087 3 жыл бұрын
The SMT1 translation doesn't legally exist anymore.
@SinfulOcelot
@SinfulOcelot 3 жыл бұрын
I guess Atlus don't even bother since the game is fan translated already :DDD let the fans do some of the work i guess
@denkerbosu3551
@denkerbosu3551 3 жыл бұрын
@@fishactivation5087 there is also a fan translation for the SNES version if both SMT I and II.
@ludgerp5384
@ludgerp5384 3 жыл бұрын
"Dante has pierce now! That'll be 980 yen please." Anyway this remaster is pretty lazy. Might get it on discount but definitely not before that.
@Vohaul86
@Vohaul86 3 жыл бұрын
"Demi-Fiend looks great, demons look great..." Darn, can't wait to check out Lady of the Fount.
@paulstillman4949
@paulstillman4949 3 жыл бұрын
She sounds sexy af in Japanese, definitely NSFW
@notvengeful
@notvengeful 3 жыл бұрын
I saw Faz’s thread about this and I already had a feeling this was coming
@notvengeful
@notvengeful 3 жыл бұрын
Why is Chiaki named NUTS
@shiina4826
@shiina4826 3 жыл бұрын
he also talked on smt network
@gaetanoaviles1787
@gaetanoaviles1787 3 жыл бұрын
Who is Faz? Sorry for being out of the loop
@notvengeful
@notvengeful 3 жыл бұрын
@@gaetanoaviles1787 another megaten youtuber
@pressturnsystem4901
@pressturnsystem4901 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't compressed audio part of the atmosphere? And maybe Atlus didn't put all their resources into a full remaster. They could have pulled a Xenoblade Definitve Edition and had to pick and choose what to fix because of a deadline.
@TheDragonMasterChannel
@TheDragonMasterChannel 3 жыл бұрын
"Shin Megami Tensei IV only took 1 month and a half" *looks over at EU release date*
@DecoyBlackMage
@DecoyBlackMage 3 жыл бұрын
We did not even get physical copies.... Only digital.....
@tylerlackey1175
@tylerlackey1175 3 жыл бұрын
@@DecoyBlackMage why?
@sg79453
@sg79453 3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerlackey1175 coz Atlus
@DecoyBlackMage
@DecoyBlackMage 3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerlackey1175 We did not get one for Apocalypse either..... And they originally had no intention of publishing either here because Atlus literally felt that Europeans, did not play or understand RPGs....... And then SMT4 sold extremely well here after 1 fucking extra year of waiting on a digital only version :/
@AmosHC
@AmosHC 3 жыл бұрын
@@DecoyBlackMage We did get a physical release for Apocalypse in eu.
@Mikehero69_
@Mikehero69_ 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so over Atlus' DLC practises, especially the DLC they release for both EXP and money grinding.
@TheRawyan
@TheRawyan 3 жыл бұрын
I simply used merciless and riberama for grinding only
@BurningBlood517
@BurningBlood517 3 жыл бұрын
Started playing the English Version on my roommate's PS5. The English Voice Acting, in my opinion, is pretty damn good from what I've heard (I'm at the Diet Building and I just got Raidou in the 5th Kalpa.) And from the save I started with the Dante DLC they got Reuben Langdon to reprise his role as Dante, which is fuckin' awesome.
@leofont6026
@leofont6026 2 жыл бұрын
BRO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!
@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime
@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime Жыл бұрын
The voice acting in general made me glad this is the first time I played the game.
@qadirhernandez1094
@qadirhernandez1094 3 жыл бұрын
Yep I’m disappointed mostly in the audio.
@royalkumar795
@royalkumar795 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe Modders can fixed this When SMT nocturne Remastered release on Steam
@tokyobassist
@tokyobassist 3 жыл бұрын
@@royalkumar795 Bandage solution because the OST doesn't have track variants and aren't dynamic so they would cut out eventually or loop like Redbook Audio would. We should yell at Atlus about it because this is straight lazy especially the 4:3 cutscenes but have the time for VOs WITHOUT AUTO SCROLL! So much for "keeping it faithful to the original".
@shawklan27
@shawklan27 3 жыл бұрын
Same man it hurts me so much to hear the amazing music being butchered like that
@gamertoon8230
@gamertoon8230 3 жыл бұрын
I imagine it’ll probably get patched when the English version comes out
@royalkumar795
@royalkumar795 3 жыл бұрын
@@gamertoon8230 Just like they did with shin Sakura Taisen PS4, patched the problem and also added combat lock system on English subtitles release on West
@calebbowsman822
@calebbowsman822 3 жыл бұрын
I played the original nocturne and I was so excited for this one... I guess I’ll just wait and see if it gets a steam release and mod the shit out of it if it does :/
@remusventanus5341
@remusventanus5341 3 жыл бұрын
same.
@TheMadara800
@TheMadara800 3 жыл бұрын
i have a ps3, it is better to wait for maybe a steam port or i should buy the digital version? sorry if my english is bad.
@michaelmillington9444
@michaelmillington9444 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just buying it on ps4 for physical edition
@tommygreenyt
@tommygreenyt 3 жыл бұрын
tl:dr this is not a remaster just a hd port with voice acting ,game journalist difficulty and some "make grind easy" dlc
@MinimiB2000
@MinimiB2000 3 жыл бұрын
The skill inheritance it's a deal breaker from me. I loved playing this game, but I can't bear to waste hours mashing X and O, X and O, X and O again... What a shame
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 3 жыл бұрын
And here I am pissed more about sacrifice fusion leveling the fused Demon, especially in high level Demon cases (METATRON), forcing me to level well above their normal level (METATRON) to fuse.
@newdivide9882
@newdivide9882 3 жыл бұрын
Right? I have about 80 or so hours in Devil Survivor Overclocked and I cannot imagine that game without that function. I didn’t even know that wasn’t always a thing until I saw this video. That alone just made me lose almost all my interest in the game. Only thing slightly keeping it afloat is the fact that I’ve never played Nocturne before
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 3 жыл бұрын
@@newdivide9882 Then play the English-patched Chronicles version on emulator, because HD ain't worth however much it costs (I'm just going to assume $60) with an added $10 for Dante (who admittedly got buffed, but still can't be used alongside his replacement from Chronicles). Or wait for it to come out on Steam, as I heard there's some code or something that was datamined hinting at a possible Steam release. At least then you can mod in the Uncompressed music if nothing else.
@jamessicard1705
@jamessicard1705 3 жыл бұрын
They patched it
@ulisesrl0
@ulisesrl0 3 жыл бұрын
If it comes out on Steam, there's gonna be a lot of improvements within the modding scene Edit: For example, some of the flaws that Nyarly talked about like the compressed music, text only ui, and random skill inheritance could get fixed with mods
@SlavoidUkr
@SlavoidUkr 3 жыл бұрын
@Eric Christy QoL?
@73juro
@73juro 3 жыл бұрын
@@SlavoidUkr Quality of Life
@iliveinsideyourhouse3943
@iliveinsideyourhouse3943 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the hentai mods.
@MugenHeadNinja
@MugenHeadNinja 3 жыл бұрын
Improvements already exist with Hardtype romhack, it "is" harder but it feels overall more balanced in a way, and you can at least choose between Maniax with Raidou or vanilla or Hardtype with Dante based on your preference and whether you've played the game before or not.
@SlavoidUkr
@SlavoidUkr 3 жыл бұрын
It's really sad that fans should do Atlus's job...
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva 3 жыл бұрын
I would have honestly tolerated any of the other issues if they added manual fusion inheritance. Without that I have zero desire to ever get this remaster, especially since I still have a functional PS2.
@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841
@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 3 жыл бұрын
Same, Atlus are lazy as hell with Remastering their game
@jazzhands8525
@jazzhands8525 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who never played the original, as a new fan, should I buy it
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva 3 жыл бұрын
@@jazzhands8525 If you've never played Nocturne before and getting a legal PS2 copy is unfeasible, I'd say wait and get the remaster used. If they couldn't be assed to _remaster_ the audio or cutscenes _and_ haven't made any QoL improvements other than adding Walking Simulator 2003 Mode, you shouldn't be giving Atlus money for it.
@jazzhands8525
@jazzhands8525 3 жыл бұрын
@@byel2844 I meant to put never before the original sorry for the misunderstanding, but should I get it?
@seth7726
@seth7726 3 жыл бұрын
@@jazzhands8525 I'll say yes, get it. The game is an amazing experience by itself and having access to it on modern day consoles is great. The game may lack in some areas but it doesn't change the fact that Nocturne is a good SMT game. I'm getting it for the switch just because I want to have it portable and many friends want to have a taste of SMT so I'll lend it to 'em when I done with it. However, I won't deny the fact that this could have been much more if Atlus had put more effort and maybe waited a little more before releasing it.
@chainsawplayin
@chainsawplayin 3 жыл бұрын
Technically, Atlus are right. It's only an HD remaster. They weren't obliged to change the gameplay, performance or music. But it would have been very, very nice.
@jettlucashayes8508
@jettlucashayes8508 Жыл бұрын
to be fair they also had to rebuild the game in another engine because renderware died/EA
@PeteTheGrouch
@PeteTheGrouch 8 ай бұрын
They didn't want to make any significant changes, but apparently still had few qualms about charging $50+ for what is basically just a reskin... Then again, that's pretty much modern Atlus in a nutshell..!
@apairofsteeltoedboots4729
@apairofsteeltoedboots4729 3 жыл бұрын
*remember, this is the guy who did this with no buffs or debuffs* Edit: I know he did it with strings attached but still
@totalmadness3561
@totalmadness3561 3 жыл бұрын
Merciful difficulty sounds like the 'Enjoy the story' difficulty. In a game where, while the story is good, is mostly atmosphere with some cutscenes. 'Enjoy the story' is something that works more for games like the newer Persona games, where there's so much story and characters to focus on.
@RonaldoVODS
@RonaldoVODS 3 жыл бұрын
exactly, I can see why they would have this feature in like Nier: Automata for example, but in games like Smt or Persona, the difficulty is a part of the fun. Having to build a team and form strategies to win is what makes the games good
@antant6217
@antant6217 3 жыл бұрын
etrian odyssey does the same thing with pinic mode. it's basically a joke difficulty that's impossible to ever lose in and you can autobattle everything. eo at least has a story mode to look to but nocturne only offers like 5 minute blips every few hours, so besides grinding for the last magatamas i can't see a use for this, both casually and as a hardcore fan of the game
@silvernightskyy
@silvernightskyy 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda feel that way with Fire Emblem and the casual mode option Being able to keep a character that died in combat in a game that was intended to make you feel the emotional weight for losing a comrade in the battlefield is just... weird to say the least So yeah I don't like this kind of option either
@MILDMONSTER1234
@MILDMONSTER1234 3 жыл бұрын
@@RonaldoVODS Smt varies in difficulty, the thing with building characters in 4 and persona is that you have to play on the highest difficulties cause if you don't any form of strategizing or building completely ruins the difficulty. I guess it's mostly a balancing problem but I wish the difficulties did more then simple stat tweaks too
@transgression6902
@transgression6902 3 жыл бұрын
That was explicitly the developer's intention. They wanted to make it easier to get all the endings.
@thomaslillig260
@thomaslillig260 3 жыл бұрын
Remember the old days when we got devil survivor overclocked first.
@OrmylLP
@OrmylLP 3 жыл бұрын
And europe got an incredibly fucked version that took an insane amount of time to become playable
@juanfoti4795
@juanfoti4795 3 жыл бұрын
@@OrmylLP oh yeah i remember that. european versions crashed when you summon a demon a demon in battle if i recall correctly. bs
@ahriman79
@ahriman79 3 жыл бұрын
That reminds me I heard somewhere that because overclocked was fully voiced the devs were worried that the 3DS wouldn’t be able to handle it because the game was extremely dialogue heavy
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 3 жыл бұрын
@@byel2844 Come on Atlus, give us Devil Survivor 3!
@stevenperezhenriquez1332
@stevenperezhenriquez1332 3 жыл бұрын
“I don’t like to play games in a language that I don’t understand” - ...me as a Latin American kid playing every psx game in English...
@oscarzxn4067
@oscarzxn4067 3 жыл бұрын
Entonces sí entiendes el inglés
@deusprometh169
@deusprometh169 3 жыл бұрын
Así fue como aprendí Inglés xd
@rexcuso6527
@rexcuso6527 3 жыл бұрын
@@oscarzxn4067 todos aprendemos a medio camino
@youtubewanderer3347
@youtubewanderer3347 3 жыл бұрын
Si bueno, pero mi nivel de ingles esta re piola
@erikpaulsanchez4876
@erikpaulsanchez4876 3 жыл бұрын
yo aprendi ingles jugando pokemon
@MadnessHEROReverend
@MadnessHEROReverend 2 жыл бұрын
It is Sept. 24 2021. I recently purchased SMT 3: Nocturne for the Nintendo switch. They fixed some issues that you mention in the video. Fusions/sacrifice fusions now allow you to select or randomize whatever skills your demons learn. Have yet to notice slow down, so far (messed up a choice early on with Pixie and had to restart, so I am only at the third kalpa now). This My first time playing SMT3 Nocturne on any system and I am having a blast. Heck I am eager to play the rest of the SMT/Persona series and hope it makes it to the switch as well. (Got what I could for PS3 And PsVita, but would love to have it all on a single system.)
@monasocks2072
@monasocks2072 2 жыл бұрын
I’m going to get this game soon and I also don’t really mind that they didn’t remaster much bc I am just excited to play nocturne for the first time :)
@tayyubmohammed4318
@tayyubmohammed4318 2 жыл бұрын
I'm playing it on switch for the first time and about 35 hours in. I'm having a blast and havent experienced many issues
@MuddyTimms
@MuddyTimms 3 жыл бұрын
Two years in development and no one said "Ya think we should let the player choose what skills they want for their Demons when fusing is good idea." I feel bad for Nocturne not getting the treatment it deserves being one of the greatest pieces of media I've experienced in my teen years. (EDIT) Okay so they' added the ability for the player to choose what they want. Was it really that hard to do in the first place, like what I said earlier. TWO YEARS!!!
@shamenpafekuto3795
@shamenpafekuto3795 3 жыл бұрын
I understand your feelings, I also dream of it.
@andrewfirth9858
@andrewfirth9858 3 жыл бұрын
what if they decide to make skills random in smt V
@shamenpafekuto3795
@shamenpafekuto3795 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewfirth9858 -_- ; _ ;
@juanfoti4795
@juanfoti4795 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewfirth9858 please delete your comment
@nichoudha
@nichoudha 3 жыл бұрын
Choosing skills is bullshit.
@juanfoti4795
@juanfoti4795 3 жыл бұрын
the virgin smt nocturne hd remaster -several framedrops -no harder difficulty -runs like garbage -4:3 cutscenes lmao -you need a 300 dollar console to play it -most likely gonna cost 40-60 dollars -20 dollars in dlc the chad smt nocturne emulation (pcsx2) -runs and looks beautiful in a decent pc -you can change the shaders (saturation, brigthness and contrast) -you can play the hardtype patch -you can save even in battle -widescreen patch solve cutscenes -basically free
@coolcool5181
@coolcool5181 3 жыл бұрын
Only bad part about Emulating nocturne is the nauseating motion blur. Also the lack of custom HD textures.
@gaiko804
@gaiko804 3 жыл бұрын
Add this to the chad smt Hardtype mod
@byeebitch
@byeebitch 3 жыл бұрын
I'm playing Nocturne in that emulator as we speak, and it satisfies me very well. Oh, and another disappointing thing, Atropos doesn't say "sua" in the remaster... They butchered the original sounds of the demons. Ik, small detail but very important for me. I'll just stick with the emulator.
@Axel_Kei
@Axel_Kei 3 жыл бұрын
H A R D T Y P E
@YeppKing
@YeppKing 3 жыл бұрын
Laughs in nocturn already in English on switch
@EquipoiseOfficial
@EquipoiseOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
"Why do people use emulators???" This. This is why. Why would I buy half-assed "remaster" of a game when I can just emulate a 4k upscaled version of it that will almost no doubt look better? If companies are gonna push remasters, they should at least make an honest effort to improve the quality, not some lame retexturing and no game/menu changes. Idk mang, people are out of touch i guess
@MrDontKnow4sure
@MrDontKnow4sure 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe atlus only have much time for making smt v and persona 5 strikers? Since the localisation of p5s takes so long because of the Covid-19 & release of PC
@EquipoiseOfficial
@EquipoiseOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDontKnow4sure so shouldn't they wait to release it before rushing it out? I hope every game company learns from Cyberpunk lol
@MrDontKnow4sure
@MrDontKnow4sure 3 жыл бұрын
@@EquipoiseOfficial you want the worst bug graphics on pc and consoles?
@MrDontKnow4sure
@MrDontKnow4sure 3 жыл бұрын
I mean like cod modern warfare you can tell the differences between orginal vs remastered ( mw 2007 not mw 2019)
@mamayareborn
@mamayareborn 3 жыл бұрын
The emulated version does not even remotely -- not even the realm of pretend -- look "better" than any remaster. Upscaled assets and textures will never look better. The ONLY people who say emulators make old games look better than remasters, are people like you who actively DON'T buy remasters, so obviously you'd have no idea what they actually look like. Kinda funny how that works out eh?
@thepaintingbanjo8894
@thepaintingbanjo8894 3 жыл бұрын
So basically ATLUS is like any other nigh-independent Japanese company: slow (or outright refusal) to embrace new innovations.Yeah.... "remastered" Japanese games typically mean you have what you exactly had when it first came out years ago and that's it. Only thing changes is the platform (PS2 -> Switch). I have a bunch of old Final Fantasy games on Steam, plus _rEmAsTeReD_ Dark Souls to quickly get what's really going on. Try doing business with a Japanese company somewhere and you'd understand; they're slow at everything in general. It's not just a ATLUS problem, it's a culturally Japanese problem.
@DengueBurger
@DengueBurger 3 жыл бұрын
based take i think a lot of people want the original ported to a new console with better graphics though. they don't like their nostalgia to get butchered. plus, it's a chance for new players to enjoy a game in its original form.
@namoma4922
@namoma4922 3 жыл бұрын
@@DengueBurger true but if the goal is to propose "play the original" it s not that difficult to just make an emulation in the newest console(like virtual console in nintendo product).I don't know how the switch or p are coded so there might be bugs that arise from that but at the end of the day a console is a computer and can emulate(how good can it do it may be a problem though)
@newdivide9882
@newdivide9882 3 жыл бұрын
Dragon’s Dogma isn’t like this. Shoot, it didn’t even brand itself a “remaster” when it ended up on PS4, Xbox Once, and Switch, but it looks and performs WAY better than the original version
@mamayareborn
@mamayareborn 3 жыл бұрын
@@DengueBurger Don't say based, that's fucking cringe
@bentaro9743
@bentaro9743 3 жыл бұрын
Again with the culture explanation which is a tautology that explains nothing. Grow a brain.
@PeteKachew
@PeteKachew 3 жыл бұрын
What makes me upset, is that when 3HD fails outside of japan; (which it will because not only is it a full price port with no new content, but it's also releasing close to SMTV which more newcomers will prefer to wait for) Atlus will most likely decide not to re-release any other older megatens and that sucks. I like Nocturne, and the idea of playing it on something stronger than my shitty 12 yr old laptop is nice, but man......who knows maybe they'll have paid dlc for new content......
@coolcool5181
@coolcool5181 3 жыл бұрын
Its probably not going to be fully priced. Japanese versions of the games are always overpriced. Catherine Full Body on the switch is $75 on the Japanese eShop but $50 in the west. Persona 5 Royal is $90 on the Japanese PSN Store, but $60 in the west. This'll probably end up somewhere between $30-$40.
@TheSonic497
@TheSonic497 3 жыл бұрын
PCSX2 is very hardware demanding, im finding it hard to believe a 12 year old laptop could emulate Nocturne in a playable state.
@PeteKachew
@PeteKachew 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSonic497 it got the work done.... it isnt really 12 years old tho. It's just trash
@DonWalkJr
@DonWalkJr 3 жыл бұрын
As long as it does well in Japan it will be fine (to Atlus), and it will have at least a few months before they get SMTV there. I am also concerned that this game won't do well outside of Japan, but maybe the nintendo direct push and general goodwill toward Nocturne will help it sell decently...
@lordguy6664
@lordguy6664 3 жыл бұрын
Debut sales for physical in Japan was 100k. That's pretty decent sales for Japan and Atlus' priority when it comes to a successful title is always Japan. So Nocturne remaster having good sales alone in Japan is enough for to consider bringing older SMT games and whatnot.
@nobodyimportant5140
@nobodyimportant5140 3 жыл бұрын
>minimum 5 month wait for Nocturne HD in english >still no english release announced for Persona 5 Scramble Why Atlus?
@henryconner3002
@henryconner3002 3 жыл бұрын
2021: This game, and Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga
@cliffturbo2146
@cliffturbo2146 3 жыл бұрын
It's like they forgot about Scramble.
@beyozenith2376
@beyozenith2376 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hyunation But isn't it also a sequel to the story of Persona 5? That's something alot of people want to experience, myself included
@marrowyoutube
@marrowyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
@Hyunation the gameplay is a spin-off, that's the only spin-off related thing about it, the *gameplay* that's it, just the gameplay yes it should be a priority because it's a sequel to one of if not the best selling atlus games
@zigmus00A
@zigmus00A 3 жыл бұрын
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it's been more or less confirmed we won't be getting P5 Scramble :(
@TeSnnr
@TeSnnr 3 жыл бұрын
"10 months after it's Japanese release" *Laughs in Yakuza 5*
@RicochetForce
@RicochetForce 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Falcom's Ys and Trails games take 1-2 YEARS to come out after the Japanese release.
@scwintz101
@scwintz101 3 жыл бұрын
have you considered the delay wasn't a localization issue but rather a marketing decision? for instance perhaps seeing how it sells in japan first or even data collection to see what needs to be fixed (cause it really seems very few game companies even bother to play test thier games before shipping out broken products anymore)
@christophergarcia9022
@christophergarcia9022 3 жыл бұрын
Sadness. At least we are not back in the era where Atlus cut content because they tried to localized the game *glares at persona* but that's a low bar to surpass tbf
@fenrir639
@fenrir639 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, yes, or change it *glares at Mark*
@mythicvakire7313
@mythicvakire7313 3 жыл бұрын
Atlus with releasing English dubbed games :It's evolving, but backwards
@littenfire3563
@littenfire3563 3 жыл бұрын
It's sad really :(
@VincentEternal
@VincentEternal 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously Atlus takes so long and by the time it comes out people have moved on or aren’t as interested.
@legefy
@legefy 3 жыл бұрын
Wait... Nocturne isn't getting a dub is it?
@VincentEternal
@VincentEternal 3 жыл бұрын
@@legefy no it is
@legefy
@legefy 3 жыл бұрын
@@VincentEternal ...Alright XD I thought it would only be the Japanese voices like a lot of jrpgs or Strange Journey Redux but that's a nice surprise.
@doomslayer4963
@doomslayer4963 3 жыл бұрын
Currently playing through SMT IV for the first time as my first SMT game. Its gonna kill me to not pick which skills pass from demon to demon.
@ayaanabdullah937
@ayaanabdullah937 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that's no longer the case thankfully
@elcomp2178
@elcomp2178 3 жыл бұрын
I just think that Atlus wanted to make hype for SMT V and they did this remaster, but they made this really quick because they don't even care about this game. In my opinion this remaster just has 2 purposes money and hype they didn't care about the quality
@coolcool5181
@coolcool5181 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. And it worked too. It's already sold more copies in the first week than the PS2 version of the game did in Japan.
@ludoviccastro6742
@ludoviccastro6742 3 жыл бұрын
@@coolcool5181 That's not true. The HD Remaster sold 100,000 copies on its first week. The PS2 vanilla version sold 150,000 copies on its first week, and around 250,000 copies overall. The PS2 Maniax version did sell 80,000 copies overall.
@Kisaru1000
@Kisaru1000 3 жыл бұрын
According to interviews, they spent two years working on this Remaster... somehow. Feels like a lot of time to spend on something when they don't care about the thing and just want something out "quick".
@elcomp2178
@elcomp2178 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kisaru1000 Then how the hell is this remaster so mediocre?
@toblerone1729
@toblerone1729 3 жыл бұрын
Two years? For what I'm seeing here that's more like a two weeks work
@judemcnab4394
@judemcnab4394 3 жыл бұрын
It's really upsetting to see legacy content treated like this. I only hope new fans will be able to fall in love with this game like I did the original Nocturne.
@Orgock
@Orgock 3 жыл бұрын
Damn as soon as I heard that they didn't remaster the audio as well, I lost interest
@charmolettafranquestafiestayam
@charmolettafranquestafiestayam 3 жыл бұрын
lol what a dumbass reason but hey that's fatlus' fault. They shoot themselves in the foot literally every release in one way or another.
@Orgock
@Orgock 3 жыл бұрын
@@charmolettafranquestafiestayam didn't have to call me a dumbass but okay
@charmolettafranquestafiestayam
@charmolettafranquestafiestayam 3 жыл бұрын
@@Orgock love u baybee
@Orgock
@Orgock 3 жыл бұрын
@@charmolettafranquestafiestayam love you to toast 😘
@HansAlRachid
@HansAlRachid 3 жыл бұрын
If I understand the japanese patch notes correctly, the latest patch for the remaster added the option to choose skills during fusion! (or at least to directly reroll on the results page? It's phrased sort of weird) Can anyone confirm this? If this is true - fuck yeah! Now they only need to re-render the cutscenes so they're no longer crunchy as hell, add uncompressed audio and maybe a harder difficulty and the remaster is perfect... that's never gonna happen. Still though - really, really cool!
@---oq5kb
@---oq5kb 3 жыл бұрын
You can do both. You can select the skills yourself with triangle Or Instead of pressing x and o over and over again (like in the original), you can just press square to reroll again. Nyarly said a video about the new patch will be released soon.(He was on a vacation when the patch dropped according to his twitter)
@HansAlRachid
@HansAlRachid 3 жыл бұрын
@@---oq5kb Sweet, thank you for the confirmation! Ah man, that little change was literally the one thing I was hoping for most when this remaster got announced. Took them a while, but I'm really happy they added this.
@vodkamangmc8130
@vodkamangmc8130 3 жыл бұрын
"I don't like to play games in a language that I don't understand" People who don't live in UK, USA or Australia: Yeah, it's disgusting playing in that way (sarcasm)
@zdsweeg2384
@zdsweeg2384 3 жыл бұрын
A really underrated comment
@IBL15
@IBL15 3 жыл бұрын
Canada: am i a joke to you
@ivanlagrana878
@ivanlagrana878 3 жыл бұрын
@@IBL15 Frenchglish counts?
@GIRru11
@GIRru11 3 жыл бұрын
This is pretty disappointing to see. Especially since Nocturne is a huge fan favorite
@AmberAmour
@AmberAmour 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@Heli-draws
@Heli-draws 3 жыл бұрын
At least more people will be introduced to it
@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841
@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 3 жыл бұрын
Atlus: We put Dante and Raidou in Hd remaster Me: YES YES YES! Atlus: But Dante is only available via DLC Me: NO NO NO!
@n2badsam420
@n2badsam420 3 жыл бұрын
lol 😂
@clayisahottie
@clayisahottie 3 жыл бұрын
Atlus: ANNNNNNNNNNNNND You can only have one or the other: Not both at the same time.
@monkun76
@monkun76 3 жыл бұрын
@@clayisahottie well that kinda makes sense. Raidou is literally just a replacement for Dante in the maniax chronicles edition.
@jacobsmith640
@jacobsmith640 3 жыл бұрын
WWWRRRRRYYYYYYY
2 жыл бұрын
Hello! Just trying Nocturne for the first time (remaster was on sale for $35 with a it's DLC) and it's been fun! Been having slowdown on the Steam version whenever spells like sukukaja is used on 3 or more targets, so that's mildly annoying but it's been fun besides that.
@DragonKingX78
@DragonKingX78 3 жыл бұрын
I really would have loved it if they just improved the main character's skill system. Like Digital Devil Saga's version where you get every skill you learn but can equip only 4-8(based on character level) but you could try all kinds of interesting combos.
@paperluigi6132
@paperluigi6132 3 жыл бұрын
Remember when Atlus basically made like half a game with Persona 3 Portable's female protagonist? P3P was like a game and a half, given how much stuff FeMC has that Makoto doesn't. Most games that let you choose your gender barely change anything between the two. Usually it's just stuff like: who you can date/marry, different characters exclusive to that gender, etc. P3P did that and so much more.
@teteiyus5762
@teteiyus5762 3 жыл бұрын
Since I play Persona since the first part I can say P3P is my favorite Persona game. I enjoy a female perspective
@mamayareborn
@mamayareborn 3 жыл бұрын
> "makoto" Cringe. There are no canon names. The games wouldn't have so many options to adopt your own name, personality and choices if there was ever an intent to have a "canon" / "correct" version of events. Say P3 protagonist.
@MrTheDerper
@MrTheDerper 3 жыл бұрын
@@mamayareborn Yikes the elitism is strong
@KungFuBroFist
@KungFuBroFist 2 жыл бұрын
@@mamayareborn cringe
@poisonsnivy6439
@poisonsnivy6439 3 жыл бұрын
The framerate is what kills it for me, hopefully getting ahold of the PS2 version hasn't gone up that much in price
@BitchChill
@BitchChill 3 жыл бұрын
Just get digital PS3 version
@tomotomato
@tomotomato 3 жыл бұрын
@@BitchChill ps3 version runs emulated and isn't the best.
@MILDMONSTER1234
@MILDMONSTER1234 3 жыл бұрын
Lol just mod your ps2
@anonienonie
@anonienonie 3 жыл бұрын
Man, I remember buying my copy of it 10 years ago to date... I couldn't find an NA version anywhere, so I got my PS2 modded and bought the EU version (Lucifer's Call). I know a lot of people are disappointed (only thing I'm really sad about is lack of skill selection during inheritance) but this is still my favourite game so I'll probably buy it on all platforms nevertheless :/
@EJ-bq1nu
@EJ-bq1nu 3 жыл бұрын
It's basically the only smt game that hasnt gone up $100+ since the pandemic (dds is also pretty cheap still).
@vassel6643
@vassel6643 3 жыл бұрын
5:34 Yo Nyarly, apparently the official Nocturne remaster Twitter account dropped some info on a future update. Apparently they're patching the skill inheritance problem so that you can pick the skills you want to transfer to demons. Either that or Google translate is being funny.
@dakshrai
@dakshrai 3 жыл бұрын
Nyarly looks like your voice has been heard and now there is the choose which skill to inherit feature in the game !
@LIONREV7
@LIONREV7 3 жыл бұрын
i guess that the translation problems come from SEGA taking over localization, when Atlus localized their games they were only available in english but since Sega adquired them they have been translating their games to more langauges.
@leixalkvinay2729
@leixalkvinay2729 3 жыл бұрын
I think Nocturne also has a confirmed spanish translation, so it´s not the same previous as MegaTen games.
@LIONREV7
@LIONREV7 3 жыл бұрын
@@leixalkvinay2729 the original nocturne was english only, SEGA is now translating the remaster to spanish, same with 13 sentinels and the PS4 version of Dragons crown
@leixalkvinay2729
@leixalkvinay2729 3 жыл бұрын
@@LIONREV7 I mean, Nocturne has a confimed spanish patch now, before that wasn't the case.
@donbototo5068
@donbototo5068 3 жыл бұрын
@@leixalkvinay2729 and the spanish translations are very "Meh" (apart to be spains spanish, not neutral spanish)
@PathBeyondTheDark
@PathBeyondTheDark 3 жыл бұрын
There is definitely something more going on outside necessary windows of time because even re-releases with no dub and that have most of the translation done already get delayed the same amount. It's not necessarily malevolent though.
@_Koyomi_
@_Koyomi_ 3 жыл бұрын
Here before all the compressed music complaints
@iker-jk2096
@iker-jk2096 3 жыл бұрын
I have a bigger problem when it comes to the frame rate
@_Koyomi_
@_Koyomi_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@iker-jk2096 I thought those framerates skips were either my mind playing tricks on me or just some sort of issue with the youtubers' capture cards
@iker-jk2096
@iker-jk2096 3 жыл бұрын
@@_Koyomi_ nop, the games just straight up runs worse than the original
@ogre589
@ogre589 3 жыл бұрын
@@iker-jk2096 I've had a better experience on a rom and those are infamous for stability issues.
@justinianthe1st790
@justinianthe1st790 3 жыл бұрын
@@iker-jk2096 The music problem kinda sucks, but the framerate being a problem is actually unacceptable. I will still buy it cause I really wanna play the game on modern hardware and fight Raidou. Also I think if the Merciful difficulty is as described by Nyarly, tbh that sounds like it would make buying Magatama and Demon Compendium charges not a pain in the ass and the much lowered encounter rate that MT tends to be infamous for is actually something I very much would like. I can just toggle Normal to easy at any time. Admittedly these qualms I have is part of the reason I dont like Nocturne that much. I still think this remaster deserves better. But this sounds it could be the better version gameplay wise if they fix the framerate.
@dgtl_nightmares3773
@dgtl_nightmares3773 3 жыл бұрын
"Shin Megami Tensei IV took only a month and a half" *cries in European*
@billcook4768
@billcook4768 3 жыл бұрын
So for $10 I can get a Dante costume, or a digital copy of the entire original game. Hmmmm
@aparz4975
@aparz4975 3 жыл бұрын
I swear if they screw up digital devil saga hd, but hey I'm still looking forward to Smt V
@MarioWiZZeL
@MarioWiZZeL 3 жыл бұрын
Well, at least we're getting BIG DADDY LUCIFER and not the ugly thing we had in SMT IV.
@aparz4975
@aparz4975 3 жыл бұрын
@water bottle hey an hd widescreen port is all we need
@Nocturne989
@Nocturne989 3 жыл бұрын
I can say that it is likely at least some of the Scramble delay is due to Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity being way higher on their priority list. You pointed out that they've been working their asses off to get HW out in a timely manner, and I def don't expect them to do that plus Scramble during a global pandemic and I'm not surprised a Persona spinoff was pushed back in favor of a literal prequel to Breath of the Wild.
@AsterBTT
@AsterBTT 3 жыл бұрын
It's also simply the difference between Nintendo money and Atlus money; Nintendo's gonna push their shit out when they want it out, pandemic or no. They'll make absolutely certain they create a safe environment for their localization team and get it done ASAP. They have the money to do that. Atllus not only doesn't have that sort of money, they also consistently underestimate the impact of their games in the West. Nintendo is a worldwide sensation and household name, and while they've gained popularity in recent years, Atlus still develops relatively niche games designed predominantly for a Japanese market, whether they're owned by SEGA or not. Likely they and Koei Tecmo WANT to get Scramble out in the West, but there's too much else going on right now. Underestimating the effects that a pandemic has on a company that already takes forever to localize products is pretty foolish.
@PunishedPrince
@PunishedPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Gamers cant connect the dots and use common sense. They’d rather cry and shit themselves over having to wait a bit to play a game instead of playing the 100’s they still have untouched
@AttacMage
@AttacMage 3 жыл бұрын
@@PunishedPrince you replying to a different comment, my guy? regardless, a company should make their best attempts to release versions with alternate languages within a month or two at most of the original release. It's especially ridiculous to forecast a near half-year wait for a game that's already been translated.
@raidoukuzonoha883
@raidoukuzonoha883 3 жыл бұрын
@@AsterBTT persona ain’t niche it’s rlly popular
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 3 жыл бұрын
@@PunishedPrince No need to be so toxic.
@alicemargatroid52
@alicemargatroid52 3 жыл бұрын
I don't mind the lack of changes that much, being able to play Nocturne with better visuals on my PS4 and switch (frame rate issues are still had but its better than nothing) is a really great thing I'm excited to get
@Focalors21
@Focalors21 3 жыл бұрын
5:34 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9GJopab1L3LnKM.html Atlus listened! You can now randomize skills with Square, and, get this, YOU CAN FINALLY SELECT WHICH SKILLS YOU WANT (with Triangle).
@iker-jk2096
@iker-jk2096 3 жыл бұрын
No need for the "kind of". It's a dissapointment, yeah it's nice to be able to play the game in newer consoles, but even for a remaster it doesn't make a lot, and for what I read it has things that are even worse than the original. It's cool that we can play it and even better for new fans with better graphics, and the voice acting sounds nice, but it's not that big of a deal.
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 3 жыл бұрын
69th like.
@hotshowerh2o356
@hotshowerh2o356 3 жыл бұрын
I'm hoping the price is at MOST 40$ because this is like a 20$ value for this remaster. If they keep the price low than the expectations for this will be much lower for the game. I still think that the compressed audio and cutscenes ripped straight from the ps2 version is still unexcusable though.
@minato1048
@minato1048 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, the good part of the delayed localization means you can get to level 255 before it, right?
@toxas3063
@toxas3063 3 жыл бұрын
I get the reference
@kaparaomer7751
@kaparaomer7751 3 жыл бұрын
They finally added option to select skills in fusion and rerolling botton in fusion. Thank the lord.
@BitchChill
@BitchChill 3 жыл бұрын
I know the pain from P3 and 4
@modeus9592
@modeus9592 3 жыл бұрын
This could’ve been a really good remaster, especially for how awesome V sounds like it’s going to be. They didn’t have to go totally all out, but ATLUS Could’ve added a HD soundtrack, and reworked the frame rate, and they could’ve added a explanation of the skills when you view the stats screen. And localize the limited edition. For a company that has over 500 Billion¥ it sounds like a simple task.
@EnzoZambrotti
@EnzoZambrotti 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I am gonna wait until they are able to fix the FPS issues on Switch. I really wanna play Nocturne on the go but that fps and compressed audio makes me wanna puke.
@saucymongoose7246
@saucymongoose7246 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@remusventanus5341
@remusventanus5341 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but they're never gonna patch it. It's obvious that this was done as cheaply as possible just to put it out there for a quick cash grab.
@CrissAssasin7
@CrissAssasin7 3 жыл бұрын
@@remusventanus5341 You say that and yet the P4G steam port appears to prove otherwise.
@remusventanus5341
@remusventanus5341 3 жыл бұрын
@@CrissAssasin7 Good point, and I hope you're right.
@EnzoZambrotti
@EnzoZambrotti 3 жыл бұрын
@@remusventanus5341 That may be true, but on the other hand the fps issues may cause less people to buy the game. So it would be a reverse stonks tactic for atlus.
@megasoniczxx
@megasoniczxx 3 жыл бұрын
Something is severely wrong in the industry if the only ones doing a good job bringing older games for an IP up to standard is Activision of all companies.
@staticshock4239
@staticshock4239 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's weird. Crash, Spyro and Tony Hawk all got remasters that made the games better and were successful.
@BlueMageDaisen
@BlueMageDaisen 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully this will be a PAL release that DOESN'T crash when you're doing the True Demon path
@teteiyus5762
@teteiyus5762 3 жыл бұрын
PAL and crashed? I played the True Demon path a few times and had never problems. XD Maybe I was just lucky?
@consoleman94
@consoleman94 3 жыл бұрын
>can't pick your skills manually during fusion >no changes to all the menuing alright pack it up boys nothing to see here
@cjohnson5335
@cjohnson5335 3 жыл бұрын
couldn't before
@ChoiceSnarf
@ChoiceSnarf 3 жыл бұрын
Idk, I'd call being able to actually _see_ the HP and MP bars a pretty huge improvement.
@ChoiceSnarf
@ChoiceSnarf 3 жыл бұрын
@@byel2844 You can see it all throughout the video in battle and in the menu.
@AeontheWeeb
@AeontheWeeb 3 жыл бұрын
You talking about the party bars? I thought you could have always seen them? Or are you talking about something else?
@ChoiceSnarf
@ChoiceSnarf 3 жыл бұрын
@@AeontheWeeb It was an exaggeration, but the numbers covered up the second half of the bars, so you couldn't see what percentage you were at. Now the numbers are smaller and higher so you can see the whole bar.
@AeontheWeeb
@AeontheWeeb 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChoiceSnarf Ah I get you. Yeah the UI looks a lot better than before. I thought for second you were referring to the boss HP/MP bars lmao.
@kitsunered9135
@kitsunered9135 3 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, I'm still happy this exists and love that I can play Nocturne in HD, but they could have done so much more with it
@Poopsickle12
@Poopsickle12 3 жыл бұрын
They really gave this game the 3d all-stars treatment
@SuperGamerGuy64644
@SuperGamerGuy64644 3 жыл бұрын
atleast 3D All Stars had remastered cutscenes, the music wasn't compressed, and it had no frame rate issues.
@allmightyloki63
@allmightyloki63 3 жыл бұрын
I hate waiting so I just bought the ps2 version, since I still have my ps2
@cole9693
@cole9693 3 жыл бұрын
This was my first smt game besides persona 3 years ago, got it for 10$ on psn for ps3
@the_j_machine2254
@the_j_machine2254 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah. Have fun.
@silversylvis
@silversylvis 3 жыл бұрын
No change to the skill inheritance, no buy. It's that simple. I love, love, LOVE Nocturne, played it again just recently and had a pretty good time, but I just don't think I have the patience to go through random skill inheritance hell yet again. If there was one thing, ANY one thing they absolutely had to change to make this remaster worth it, it was that. Dang, what a bummer. :c
@XxSuplexDaddy_69xX
@XxSuplexDaddy_69xX 3 жыл бұрын
They should've added the battle against seraph and the other crewmates in the remaster. I wanted to see it in demi-fiend's pov.
@cfalcon07
@cfalcon07 3 жыл бұрын
so the only thing that truly got remastered was the commercial
@joellundborg7160
@joellundborg7160 3 жыл бұрын
"SMT:IV - it only took a month and a half." Except if you like me are in the EU and had to wait well over a year and a half.
@trentrider5985
@trentrider5985 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t realize that a Video can encapsulate Heartbreak itself but here it is. Honestly hearing what’s being said in this video really does hurt considering this was my first SMT. I can only hope that SMT V wouldn’t give me this same feeling when it’s released.
@matteste
@matteste 3 жыл бұрын
Barebones is a word I think describes this HD port the best. Just something made with the least possible effort just to give the illusion that they are caring about mainline while it is left in Persona's shadow. And one thing I felt you forgot to mention on top of the framerate issues are the much longer load times on top of that and the poor visuals and animation glitches. Becomes especially noticeable when you are trying to fuse something and have to redo it over and over. That stuff adds up.
@AlphaDog26
@AlphaDog26 3 жыл бұрын
What’s music playing throughout the vid?
@deaththekid6513
@deaththekid6513 3 жыл бұрын
Is this remaster good for if you own a switch but don’t have a way to play the ps2 version or what ever consol it use to be on
@jordanchong_
@jordanchong_ 3 жыл бұрын
I was really looking forward to hearing uncompressed versions of the different variants of the normal battle theme, but I guess it was too much to ask...
@OllieGalagar
@OllieGalagar 3 жыл бұрын
I'm confused on why they didn't bring back the extra options for p4g pc where you can change certain things about the game like the amount of money you get the amount of XP you got how much damage would you give or take, stuff like that and they dropped it for some reason.
@bibleandlean4535
@bibleandlean4535 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad at least some of the problems like skill inheritance were changed for the English release. I kinda wanna see a short review of the English release if u ever wanted to do that cause it was my first set game and I had a great time the compressed audio just really confused me as I had no clue it existed lmao
@alteredpenguin2073
@alteredpenguin2073 3 жыл бұрын
Wait how did you get merciful difficulty I have the game for PS4 and I do not see that option?????????
@Nikolai-vq1jq
@Nikolai-vq1jq 3 жыл бұрын
If anything im gonna wait for the steam version and buy that along with the SMT 4 music pack babyyyy
@calebb7012
@calebb7012 3 жыл бұрын
Not just Atlus, but I've noticed Nintendo, and NIS' America's quality get worse over the last decade. It's a disposable market now, there's hardly any passion.
@benwilliams4942
@benwilliams4942 3 жыл бұрын
Nintendo is the biggest offender of this, bar none. This is painful to say, especially as a lifelong Nintendo loyalist.
@Robotta
@Robotta 3 жыл бұрын
Apart from the terrible market decisions, limited releases and bad online, how is Nintendo getting worse? The switch has their best line up of games since the 3DS back in 2012. As a company, yeah they have gotten worse. But as game publishers? They keep getting better.
@Joker-nh6dd
@Joker-nh6dd 3 жыл бұрын
I think atlus and Nintendo as consumer friendly companies have gotten significantly worse over the years but I think their actual developers have gotten better. This is just a cash grab but stuff like nintens fe 3 houses or atlus p5royal are the best stuff they've made yet imo
@calebb7012
@calebb7012 3 жыл бұрын
@@Robotta Look at how many ports they have on Switch that they charge full price for, and then subsequently remove from the WiiU eshop. The joycon hardware lawsuits and Nintendo outright denying there's any kind of defect while offering free repairs, for said defect. Their hardware QA is seriously lacking compared to previous generations, there's videos out there of wiis and gamecubes surviving crazy falls and the Switch can't survive a few knocks from chest height. The thing outright frys itself being charged in a non 1st party dock; they coded it that way so consumers have to buy an overpriced dock. Do you not remember how bad the Switch's launch was? They're as bad as apple now, entirely anti consumer. Those 3 points you mentioned are huge, especially the marketing practices; they constantly sell lackluster ports for MORE than their competitors. Look at the recent case with the one user on reddit who sent his Switch out for repairs and they sent him back a BANNED console; which took a massive twitter/front page campaign to even get corrected. They ignored him for months. All this being said, I enjoy my Switch, but the past 3 years has really opened my eyes to just how awful game publishers can be.
@NoMoreBots
@NoMoreBots 3 жыл бұрын
So I’m rewatching after the English release and I don’t own the game myself yet, but Dante and Gouta (raidou’s talking cat buddy) got some pretty good voice acting, they even rewrote Dante’s lines to fit his post dmc3 characterization which is a detail I didn’t think they would add.
@deeplyZinc
@deeplyZinc 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know how the PS4 version runs?
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