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11 ай бұрын

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@synderthmc
@synderthmc 11 ай бұрын
The reason Odysseus looks like that because of the long running gag that started on her first troy video is that he is basically Snake from MetalGear hence the headband
@epicureanbard
@epicureanbard 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for pointing that out. I was just about to do the exact same thing
@NicoBabyman1
@NicoBabyman1 11 ай бұрын
@@epicureanbard ditto
@douglaszelazny1094
@douglaszelazny1094 11 ай бұрын
Don’t forget, cassandra was cursed to have nobody believe her. Odysseus went by the name nobody. He would believe her. He should have just adopted her
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 11 ай бұрын
I like this thinking.
@thecookiecrumbsinpercyshai8685
@thecookiecrumbsinpercyshai8685 11 ай бұрын
Yeaaa if you look at what Cassandra went through.
@riccardocastiglioni1611
@riccardocastiglioni1611 11 ай бұрын
2 things, because I am a greek mythology nerd: - Agamemnon didn't just pulled a knife in front of Odysseus' child, he straight up took the baby and placed it in front of his father as he was plowing the fields: Odysseus dropped the act so he wouldn't kill HIS OWN SON. - Agamemnon was killed by his wife as soon as he got home from the war: a version says during a bath, in another during a feast.
@Ajehy
@Ajehy 11 ай бұрын
Also, both Agamemnon and Menaleus were from the cursed House of Atreus. Their great-grandfather Tantalus tried to trick the gods into cannibalism and all his descendants were doomed to madness, misery and death.
@Pridam
@Pridam 11 ай бұрын
The reason why no one believed what Cassandra said was because she was an oracle serving under Apollo, who rejected his advances. Insulted that his own oracle of all people rejected him, Apollo cursed Cassandra so that no one would believe her when she told the truth To be fair for Paris, he was screwed over no matter which goddess he chose. If Aphrodite wasn't chosen, she would have made him fall in love with a monster, and have him killed that way, and the other one who was not chosen would screw him over later in life too. There was a reason why Zeus of all people did not want to choose between the three, one of which being his own wife
@thundercrash4775
@thundercrash4775 11 ай бұрын
It is pretty sad/morbidly funny that the one time people believed Cassandra was with Paris's identity. It implies one of two things: 1. This happened before Apollo curses her 2. Apollo deliberately made an exception because, as the god of prophecy, he knew that it would lead to a more miserable outcome for her (if nobody had believed her, then the war wouldn't have come to Troy).
@williamrichards8682
@williamrichards8682 11 ай бұрын
So Red’s video on the Iliad is the first drawn video. To follow the Troy saga it goes: The Iliad, The Odyssey, the Aeneid, and the Oresteia. I also recommend Medea, it’s great. The reference to Psyche when Helen was born was because Psyche was a princess said to be more beautiful than Aphrodite, which caused a whole a bunch of problems. She has a video on it that’s great: Eros and Psyche.
@Asexual_Individual
@Asexual_Individual 11 ай бұрын
Don't forget Iphigenia
@caledvwych1366
@caledvwych1366 11 ай бұрын
Regarding the Buddycop of Cassandra and Odysseus, Cassandra was cursed to have nobody believe her. And Odysseus is Nobody, so he probably would be able to believe her. Which might also be really funny shenanigans.
@7Seraphem7
@7Seraphem7 11 ай бұрын
Oh my god that is brilliant!
@9foxgrl15
@9foxgrl15 10 ай бұрын
This would be a hilarious series
@ShahroozSmith
@ShahroozSmith 11 ай бұрын
You're going to learn this when you see the Illiad, but in OSP.. Odysseus is literally Solid Snake, hence why he's hiding in a box... because Snake hides in a box. And yes, Troy exists.. An archeologist found it buried in a hill or mountain and he uncovered using the one tool that an archaeologist would never use: ...Dynamite.
@DanGamingFan2846
@DanGamingFan2846 11 ай бұрын
I love how according to legend, this whole thing started because a couple goddesses got salty over losing a contest. And don't worry, her video on the Illiad is still on her channel.
@watershipup7101
@watershipup7101 11 ай бұрын
I know, right?
@leeshajoi
@leeshajoi 11 ай бұрын
Let us all give thanks to _Troy_ (2004) for being such an awful movie that Red decided to represent the Iliad with drawings instead of movie clips. OSP wouldn't be the same without it.
@moonyistired
@moonyistired 11 ай бұрын
cassandra was cursed by apollo to have nobody ever believe her prophecies because she rejected his advances (honestly i think it's pretty hilarious that artemis is celibate by choice and her twin brother is a hopeless romantic who has 9 out of 10 of his relationships end in rejection and the rest in tragedy but that's besides the point) anyways, tumblr has had a lot of fun with the fact that one of the names odysseus is known as is "nobody"
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 11 ай бұрын
more like equivalent exchange and she pulled out last minute also apollo has many successful romances just the failed ones are most known
@beomcheolkim8543
@beomcheolkim8543 11 ай бұрын
For those looking for a reason why kings and queens in these stories don't just murder the 'chosen-child-destined-to-bring-doom-to-all-those-around-them,' please remember that Greek Mythology had the Furies. Demonic creatures born from the act of betrayal and death of Uranus by his son Cronus, Zeus's grandfather and father respectively. That makes the monsters Zeus's aunts, technically speaking. The Furies punished the worst criminals, but paid particular attention to kin-slayers. And they don't just target the criminal. The criminal's friends, family, and their whole country are all fair game for divine retribution from the monsters birthed by the murder of a being older than gods. It really explains why just abandoning the child in the woods was the preferred option, though it never seemed to work.
@GSSAGE7
@GSSAGE7 11 ай бұрын
To give an idea of why Odysseus constantly looks so DONE with everyone's shit, here is how Red had the man describe himself. "I have actual cognitive faculties. Quite rare among this army."
@crimsonlion7131
@crimsonlion7131 11 ай бұрын
8:17 Airier: "...in the sense that [Odysseus]... doesn't make the idiot ball a thing." Me: * *Laughs in The Polyphemus Incident* *
@omargoodman2999
@omargoodman2999 11 ай бұрын
Who did Polyphemus hate even more than Odysseus? ... ... ... ... ... He hated Nobody more than Odysseus.
@triggerfairy4070
@triggerfairy4070 11 ай бұрын
Indeed
@octapusxft
@octapusxft 11 ай бұрын
If you think a bit about it. Odysseus was really overall the most beloved and respected person in that gang. 1) He was deemed necessary for his tactics 2) He inspired fierce loyalty from his family and a lot of his servants at home even after 20 years. 3) At least two women that were technically lesser goddesses (Circe and Calypso) wanted to have him for themselves.
@annekeener4119
@annekeener4119 11 ай бұрын
Agamemnon and Menelaus were brothers and both members of the House of Atreus. Aside from Helen’s abduction and the whole war thing, Menelaus mostly dodged the curse with Agamemnon getting the bulk of it. It might be that Agamemnon was technically the older of the two, so the more senior member which is why he was so nailed by it.
@cdnxman1326
@cdnxman1326 11 ай бұрын
one thing of note that rarely gets brought up, Hector actually tries to mutilate Patroclus body, after stripping him naked, and may have actually succeeded, though, Menelaus and Ajax, who are both quite capable warriors, protect the body. and, when Achilles fights him, Hector actually is wearing Patroclus' clothes, thus why Achilles is so rageful, and drags the body of Hector behind his chariot, and mistreats it, most adaptions remove the former, to make you more sympathetic to Hector, while making it look like disproportionate retribution on Achilles part
@rna151
@rna151 11 ай бұрын
The story'd be set in the late Bronze Age, the Mediterranean powers were well aware and traded widely with each other.
@alexandersturnn4530
@alexandersturnn4530 11 ай бұрын
12:44 Yeah, something that is a little horrifying to comprehend: Throughout the Trojan War, friggin' ZEUS is actually the voice of reason! Like, you know things have gone straight off the rails when THAT happens!
@Holdendave1
@Holdendave1 11 ай бұрын
For those wondering; Troy is not only a real place, but its also a still active archeological site that you can visit, its located in Modern day Turkey on the western coast right across from Greece.
@Pridam
@Pridam 11 ай бұрын
Paris wasn't hit by just any arrow, he was hit by Heracles' hydra poison arrow, the same poison that's exceedingly acidic and fatally poisonous just being close to
@Justic_
@Justic_ 11 ай бұрын
As some others have mentioned, the original Troy-video is basically what started the deal with Red drawing most of the footage of all their videos, mainly because there wasn't really any good movies to pull scenes from that actually portrayed the Trojan war accurately. If you look at older videos of theirs, specifically the video on Shakespeares Caesar comes to mind, all of the footage used there is from a movie adaption of the play from like the 60s or 70s I think. Also, pretty sure the Greeks were long aware of Egypt at that point. Egypt is literally a straight shot south across the mediteranean, and the mediteranean sea isn't that huge, in the first place Troy was located along the modern day coast of Turkey, travelling south along the coast will also lead to Egypt. So the trade routes were there, both by land and sea, not to mention with just how old Egypt is, they've also had a lot of time to make a name for themselves in the area. And of course, good old Alexander Iskander the Great also waltzed into Egypt during his conquests and was technically crowned a pharao, that's how the Ptolemeic dynasty that brought forth Cleopatra got started, Ptolemey was Iskanders general that was given reign over Egypt after Iskanders death after all, iirc that was like 350BC., with the Illiad codified around 700BC. from what I recall, marking the end of the Greek Dark Age.
@WorldWeave
@WorldWeave 11 ай бұрын
The original Iliad video is definitely lower quality, but if memory serves, it focuses more on a more detailed summary of the actual *war* and is still quite funny My favorite joke from that video is when *Athena* had to come down and PHYSICALLY restrain Achilles to keep him from murdering Agamemnon
@professorbutters
@professorbutters 3 ай бұрын
For me, it’s Achilles and his blanket burrito.
@AHorrorFanatic
@AHorrorFanatic 11 ай бұрын
0:18 Love the Megamind refrince
@spadeofpain24
@spadeofpain24 11 ай бұрын
Sparta becomes one of the big Greek empire until Thebes actual does something different from convention by shuffling their frontline composition. Blue Has a Video on this.
@epicureanbard
@epicureanbard 11 ай бұрын
The thing with the Amazon saying "I came here to flee the Furies and kick ass, and the furies are inescapable" is a reference to "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all outta bubble gum." from John Carpenter's 'They Live', which was later referenced in Duke Nukem.
@omargoodman2999
@omargoodman2999 11 ай бұрын
See, Paris's fundamental mistake was that he *should* have just said; "The most beautiful? You mean from you three, or in general? Because it's _definitely_ not one of you three. Give this to Persephone, it was *obviously* meant for her." And they basically can't do anything worth anything to you at that point. You just scored a metric fuckton of points with freakin' *Hades* so what are they going to do? Kill you? Just send you down to hang out with your new #1 bestest bud in the whole universe? And that's assuming he doesn't just arbitrarily say, "yeah, well, you're free to come and go as you please, cause you're a real bro." You just **can't** go wrong getting the God of the Underworld in your corner.
@thomasthecoolkid7228
@thomasthecoolkid7228 11 ай бұрын
And the biggest thing is, IIRC, Hades is one of the big three gods of Greek mythology. Zeus may be at the peak, but Poseidon and Hades both probably have, like, the _second_ most authority amongst the Olympians? ...though the easy thing would probably be to just make him immortal and eternally suffering
@rna151
@rna151 11 ай бұрын
I feel like this'd probably end with you getting sent to deliver it person, so to speak, but it's still probably the best outcome you're going to get out of it.
@fictional-girl_05
@fictional-girl_05 10 ай бұрын
In some versions the apple originally landed in front of Peleus, so if I were him, I would have just given it to Thetis.
@TrueBladeSoul
@TrueBladeSoul 10 ай бұрын
Or say that it’s Hestia the one Goddess that everyone in the pantheon likes
@Plaugus_Screenz
@Plaugus_Screenz Ай бұрын
​@@TrueBladeSoulor you could just put a return to sender on the apple what would happen who knows
@crimsonfucker4167
@crimsonfucker4167 11 ай бұрын
21:32 Was not Agamemnon, but Palamedes, who put Odysseus's son onto the path of the plow forcing Odysseus to choose between presenting to be insane or his son. Odysseys later got his revenge by framing Palamedes of being bribed by Trojans.
@fantasy873
@fantasy873 11 ай бұрын
How someone becomes one of the most hated characters in epic mythology: 1. Threatens to kill the baby of the smartest man alive 2. Kills their own child 3. Kidnaps the daughter of a priest without thinking that said priest would ask for some divine retribution 4. Takes away someone else's slave woman thus antagonizing the most powerful fighter in their army 5. Goes home expecting to be welcomed back by the mother of the child he murdered while being accompanied by his new slave woman who keeps shouting prophecies about how they're both definitely about to die (If I missed anything feel free to comment below.)
@octapusxft
@octapusxft 11 ай бұрын
Depending on the version it was not Agamemnon who did the number one. He was just not smart enough to come up with this scheme. There was one more smarty dude and a bit of a seer with them. Odysseus was pretending to be a crazy who thinks he is a farming and was plowing the fields. That other guy took Odyseus's son and put him on the way of the plow as a test for his sanity and at this point Odysseus could not pretend.
@samrevlej9331
@samrevlej9331 11 ай бұрын
16:42 Egypt is literally right across from Greece. The Greeks were definitely aware of it, and saw it as a great cultural beacon, even if it was way past its glory days by the time classical Greece flourished in the 400-300s. In fact Plato retconned his Atlantis mythos by saying some older Athenian figure (Solon) had transcribed records about Atlantis from his time in Egypt. Greek or proto-Greek (Mycenaean) mercenaries served in Egyptian armies for centuries, and Mycenaeans may have been among the "Sea Peoples" that ravaged Egypt and other ancient Near Eastern states during the Bronze Age Collapse in the 1200-1100s.
@kiritotheabridgedgod4178
@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 11 ай бұрын
4:50 congratulations, you've had the realisation that a lot of Fate fans have, which is that a franchise that started as a porn game, is actually a halfway decent source of historical and mythological knowledge.
@alphaheart9949
@alphaheart9949 11 ай бұрын
27:00 Would make sense since Nobody listens to her.
@NoahofWill
@NoahofWill 9 ай бұрын
I've told this in other circles before, but Zeus literally could have stopped this if he had just chosen Hera. The choice not only appeases Hera, who is not only his wife but the GODDESS of MARRIAGE, but, if he plays his cards right, he can pacify Aphrodite by appealing to her nature as the Goddess of Beauty (Hera was said to be the most beautiful of the Goddesses and that's why Zeus married her). Additionally, he can pacify Athena by appealing to her nature as the Goddess of Wisdom (Hera is quite literally also the most powerful goddess of the Olympians with quite a bit of divine authority behind her, to make a bitter enemy of her is to invite disaster, and implying that the premise of their marriage, her beauty, was a lie could quite literally cost him his queen by nullifying their marriage).
@Airier
@Airier 9 ай бұрын
Yup. But he is not the god of wisdom (which this story DEFINITELY illustrates 😅).
@oldeskul
@oldeskul 11 ай бұрын
You talking about Dune, in the prequel novel Dune: The Butlerian Jihad, co-written by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Andersen, Agamemnon was the name of a cyborg titan in service to the thinking machine Omnius had a son that was made from his genetic material named Vorian Atreides, who would betray his father and the machine overmind to side with the humans.
@Requarem
@Requarem 11 ай бұрын
On the question of leaving kids on mountains or chunking them in the sea in a chest... familicide was a super no-no in the greek religion. Like, one of the handful of things that would have the furies immediately home in on your location. So when these mythical kings needed to get rid of an inconvenient infant they tried to rules lawyer it. After all, the baby was perfectly fine and healthy when they dumped them in that forest. If a wild animal happens to come by looking for an easy meal or the realities of exposure come to pass, well the blame's really on the gods for allowing that tragedy. You'll notice how in all the myths the baby somehow miraculously survives by being adopted by a mother bear or something .
@cerberus0225
@cerberus0225 11 ай бұрын
History tiem! Greeks had an *excellent* idea of their very very close neighbors who they regularly acted as mercenaries for. In particular, Egypt, and in particular, fighting against the Persians as a common foe. That relationship extended back to the Late Bronze Age as well, from what I remember, though their 'common foe' probably would've been the Hittites in Anatolia and/or Assyrians to their east. Even so, the Classical Greeks were very, very aware of the people to their immediate south across the Mediterranean, just as they were aware of the Phoenicians on the Levantine Coast. Indeed, they coined the name Phoenician, possibly after the purple dyes that people in that region harvested from seashells. The Phoenicians themselves were actually some group of Semitic peoples, and most likely either closely related to or indistinguishable from the Canaanites, whose territory extended further inland. Others argue they were just a subgroup among the Canaanites, alongside the Ammonites, Moabites, and Israelites, etc. Going further, the Greeks were generally aware of the various parts of the Mediterranean, though admittedly we're not sure just how far that extends for Mycenaean Greeks or for the Greek Dark Ages. Its an increasingly popular theory that, throughout the Bronze Age, a thriving trade network existed across the Mediterranean as far as Iberia and possibly as far as Britain, plus land routes into the mainland of Europe and possibly elsewhere. While the evidence for this is still somewhat sparse and an area of active research, it would go a long way towards solving the mystery of where the heck the Bronze Age civilizations were getting tin from. Back to the point, the Trojan War is believed to be based off of an actual war, most likely by the Mycenaean Greeks (who basically played the part of Vikings in the Mediterranean, acting as traders, mercenaries, raiders, etc). Historical Troy was most likely a city of some group related to the Hittites, I forget which, the Lydians or Luwians or whatever. During the chaos of the Bronze Age Collapse, a group of Greeks raided the city during a period of some weakness, taking home relatively little in treasure but a lot in glory and pride, creating the seed of a story for the Greeks to pass down. This story would likely resonate well as, for the most part, things sucked pretty hard during the Greek Dark Ages, so some kind of story of the forefathers and their glorious triumph, alongside whatever moral lessons you wanted to append in there, was probably quite popular. This would evolve into the highly exaggerated and mythologized version of the Trojan War we know today.
@samrevlej9331
@samrevlej9331 11 ай бұрын
The House of Atreus is an extremely f***ed up story even by Greek standards. The bad luck technically starts with Agammemnon and Menelaus' great-grandfather, Tantalus, of serving-his-son-to-the-gods-for-dinner fame and subsequent never-eating-or-drinking-what-is-in-his-reach Underworld torture fame. Said eaten and then resurrected son, Pelops, then has two kids, Atreus and Thyestes, who end up banished for killing their brother (there are running themes) and end up in Mycenae. There they seize the throne. Atreus sacrifices his flock to Artemis but omits a golden sheep he finds (didn't learn from Minos). His wife, sleeping with his brother Thyestes, offers the sheep to said brother, who wins a bet that whoever had the golden sheep would become king. Atreus then gets the gods, (hypocritically) outraged at this affair, to make the sun rise in the west and set in the east; he wins another bet on that, gets the throne and exiles his brother. Years later, Thyestes' sons end up getting murdered by Atreus and served as dinner to their father (family traditions). Thyestes curses Atreus, who ends up killed by Thyestes' son/grandson (don't ask) Aegisthus, who puts his father back on the throne. Agammemnon and Menelaus, sons of Atreus, then kill Thyestes and oust Aegisthus. Then, following the whole Agammemnon being a sack of sh*t thing, his wife Clytemnestra takes Aegisthus as a lover and kills him (Agammemnon) when he returns. Then the Oresteia play tells how Agammemnon and Clytemnestra's son Orestes avenges his father by killing his mother, then is pursued by the Furies for the crime of matricide until he takes refuge in Athens, whereupon they invent the Athenian legal system to clear his name and the Furies transition careers from Underworld instruments of retribution and revenge to prosecutors. The end.
@kayfenix7596
@kayfenix7596 11 ай бұрын
I love that Odysseus is quite litteraly just Snake from Metal Gear i LOVE IT!
@FubukiTheIcyKing
@FubukiTheIcyKing 11 ай бұрын
Trojan wars: AKA the original shipping wars.
@badboyluvr
@badboyluvr 11 ай бұрын
Considering the fact that the war broke out because of three godesses arguing over which of them is prettiest & a beautiful married woman got kidnapped as a result of said contest, I think the Trojan Wars was more of a "best girl/waifu" war.
@FubukiTheIcyKing
@FubukiTheIcyKing 11 ай бұрын
@@badboyluvr To be fair it's both. A best girl war multiplied by Aphrodite assisting with kidnapping it's just a domino of bad ideas.
@Jacen32272
@Jacen32272 11 ай бұрын
Right from the start: Dude, archeologists found Troy decades ago. The city existed. 7:30 Sparta was also among the oldest of the Greek City-States, and among the longest lasting, thus why it shows up in so many stories. Remember, the Trojan War was pre Bronze Age Collapse (or likely a leading cause of the collapse), while the historical Battle of Thermopile was post Greek Dark Age, literally centuries later. 16:50 There was brisk trade along the coast of the eastern Mediterranean from Greece to Egypt back in the Bronze Age. The Greeks knew all about Egypt back then.
@PrayerWarrior4
@PrayerWarrior4 11 ай бұрын
Dude! You will Love her Illiad video! It was an early video but its still hilarious and informative
@williamrichards8682
@williamrichards8682 11 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure the Menelaus dodging the curse of Atreus thug was a joke, so it doesn’t affect your understanding of Dune.
@pokemongranny1
@pokemongranny1 11 ай бұрын
About the "Helen hatches from an egg" thing. At this point in time the general consensus was that the "male donation" was a complete being and women were just incubators so baby's could grow big enough to survive outside the parent's body. This is also were the concept of a homunculus comes from. A human being grown without the need for a woman. Seeing as women were also considered... less human, a human being created without a woman could be considered a superhuman.
@TheRevanchrist
@TheRevanchrist 11 ай бұрын
if curious, blue has a series called "History Makers", individuals who had a large impact on how history is narrated, where he does an episode on Homer and explains perhaps how the narrative of the trojan war was structured until Homer's version via the Iliad and the Odyssey became the most well known and consistent.
@NicoBabyman1
@NicoBabyman1 11 ай бұрын
Might I recommend Red’s more recent video on The Epic of Gilgamesh? I think you’ll enjoy her rant at the end.
@Ilikecatsismychannelname
@Ilikecatsismychannelname 11 ай бұрын
If you want her summary of the Illiad , it's the third or so video in the Classics Summarized playlist. There you will also find her summary of Iphigenia, The Odessey, and the Oresteia which are also part of this cycle of Trojan War stories! Also Dante's Divine Comedy and the Aeneid are in there. How many of these you end up reactiong to in sequence depends on how much of a deep dive you want into Greco-Roman mytho-history. Personally, I just binge playlists from these guys whenever I'm bored or need to hear voices in the bacjground to stave off the crippling loneliness because too socially awkward to form adult friendships! I can do comments and text chats. In person? I freeze or just start babbling whatever comes to mind first while screaming internally. Yet, somehow, this weirdness on my part is still endearing enough to random people I meet that they actually want to continue talking to me... I don't get it. The hell am I doing RIGHT?!
@Rainears129
@Rainears129 11 ай бұрын
So Agamemnon had more children than just Iphigenia, so it is entirely possible for the house of Atraius in Dune to be from either of the brothers. One of the kids is even the titular character of the Oresteia (kinda, his name is Orestes).
@Crazael
@Crazael 11 ай бұрын
16:52 The Myceneans were very familiar with Egypt at the time. They had a massive trade network and Egypt was one of the biggest customers around. These were people who sailed all over the Mediterranean, and possibly even up to the British Isles.
@nightrocker1343
@nightrocker1343 11 ай бұрын
They're both members of the House of Atreus. They're brothers, so part of the same family. If you listened to the part about courting Helen, Agamemnon went as a representation for Menelaus cause they're related.
@dsanchack332
@dsanchack332 11 ай бұрын
16:50 The Greeks did know about Egypt. I know because there is a Greek myth that mentions northern Africa that I find to be hilarious. Apparently, the Greeks thought that Africans were black because Apollo's demigod son got to drive the chariot that pulls the sun across the sky one day, lost control and flew too low over Africa, turned much of the land into a desert, and made all the people there get grilled crispy brown.
@jkosch
@jkosch 11 ай бұрын
Not sure if you missed it, but Red's depiction of Odysseus is one big Metal Gear reference (that is a thing that started back in the first video she illustrated and that she is so embarrassed off now: the Illiad video). That is why so much weight is placed by her on the precise phrasing as "mutually assured destruction" here, why there are box jokes, CQC being mentioned etc. .
@Historyfrek4ever
@Historyfrek4ever 11 ай бұрын
Jesus, Buddha roommate anime is called Saint Oniisan and is super chill and enjoyable.
@nelleneulmer5385
@nelleneulmer5385 11 ай бұрын
17:00 the story of the Trojan war was written in the Hellenistic era of Greece, hence the Hellen in the word Hellenistic, but set in the Mycenaean era. The Mycenaean era was basically the Ancient Greece before Ancient Greece, Blue has a video on it and Red has discussed it as well.
@H15TL1TR3L
@H15TL1TR3L 11 ай бұрын
"House of Atreus" = family and descendants of Atreus. "Atreides/Atreidai" = Sons of Atreus (mainly Agamemnon). Menelaus and Agamemnon are his sons. Aegistus, Agamemnon's killer and lover of Clytaemnestra is the son (and grandson) of Atreus' brother. Basically, the first generation were both horrible, and the curse strethed into the times of Orestes, son of Agamemnon.
@eric3027
@eric3027 11 ай бұрын
The youtube channel Useful Charts has a family tree of the Illiad which shows how they are all related, if you're into that.
@SCP.343
@SCP.343 11 ай бұрын
14:58 I'd give it Melinoe, that way no matter how screwed I am in life, my afterlife will be secure. As long I behave respectfully about it.
@fictional-girl_05
@fictional-girl_05 10 ай бұрын
The Greeks very much knew about Egypt. In fact, in the myth of Typhon, the gods hide out there disguised as animals, and that was the Greeks' explanation for why the Egyptians worshipped animal-headed gods.
@annekeener4119
@annekeener4119 11 ай бұрын
Dune was written post-WWII while Troy and the ruins of Mycenaean Greece were discovered pre-WWI. Herbert absolutely was making a reference to the messed up House of Atreus.
@dasirrlicht5415
@dasirrlicht5415 11 ай бұрын
Odysseus MAD plan accounted for everything... Except a outside force. And the gods. He really should know better then not to account for the gods by now.
@dragonstouch1042
@dragonstouch1042 10 ай бұрын
Literally the only change needed to be made was the clause of protecting the marriage FROM EACH OTHER
@eloci7903
@eloci7903 11 күн бұрын
Maybe the reason why most of Apollo's love interests jumped off a cliff or turned into various plants is because they don't wanna end up like Cassandra
@zephyrmiv9661
@zephyrmiv9661 11 ай бұрын
I assume spicy baby jesus is a reference to the Christmas video where Red says that "silent night" describing baby jesus as "tender and mild" makes her feel like she's singing about a chiken sandwich. Hence spicy baby jesus being a funny way to say "spicy chiken sandwich"
@kingofdragons7
@kingofdragons7 11 ай бұрын
You're finally getting into osp greek mythology, i've been waiting for this
@pedroleitevik5523
@pedroleitevik5523 6 ай бұрын
Idk if they talk about it here, but troy did technically exist Unfortunately the guy who discovered it (who i forgot the name of rn) was a fucken idiot and thought that the best way to dig it up was with DYNAMITE Yeah, long story short he underestimated the age of the ruins and ended up blowing it up thinking that the ruins under it was the real troy, but nope it was too old to be troy meaning he blew up troy with only a handfull of trojan artifacts remaining So yeah, fun
@Airier
@Airier 6 ай бұрын
I know about that guy. He "excavated" other sites that way as well. 😑
@WorldWeave
@WorldWeave 11 сағат бұрын
37:27 I only recently learned why Hellen would be helping Troy in this situation……in a nutshell, Aphrodite is holding her at gunpoint to help Troy and Paris and Hellen in understandably terrified at what she might do if she doesn’t, so she has to comply
@Rosie-Redstar
@Rosie-Redstar 11 ай бұрын
13:14 Eh, unsure on the greeks but on the Roman front you're not wrong... and sadly has some degree of parallels in roman society. It was tradition for a newborn baby to be placed on the floor to be accepted or rejected by the male head of the household. If he picked the baby up, it was accepted into the family. If he turned away however, the baby was abandoned. This is also where the slavers come in, picking up the babies that had been abandoned in the streets.
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 11 ай бұрын
41:30 So, House Atreides claim to be descendants of Agamemnon, but depending on if you consider Brian Herbert's prequal saga to be cannon, then the Agamemnon they are talking about is one of the Titans, the immortal cyborg tyrants who ruled the galaxy, before being overthrown in turn by the super computer Omnius, with House Atreides starting with Vorian Atreides, who was the Titan Agamemnon's bastard son.
@patriciusthehumanfighter3642
@patriciusthehumanfighter3642 11 ай бұрын
In his video on Mycenaean Greece, Blue theorizes that a real-life Trojan War would have been one of the early dominoes which led to the Late Bronze Age Collapse. And, personally, he provides a compelling argument. I really recommend watching his video on that. Due to its position on the Hellespont, Troy would have had a strong strategic position. Maritime traffic going in and out of the Black Sea would have to pass through Trojan waters. Between its well-funded army and navy, banditry and piracy in the region would have been miniscule. So had Troy had been at war for an extended period, its military would have been preoccupied fighting the invaders instead of bandits and pirates. If the city fell and was sacked, that meant bandits and pirates could raid unchecked. If it was true that so many Kings and Heroes were killed in the fighting, it would have led to succession crises that would have driven the Mycenaeans into civil war and financial ruin. Many might have put their skill as warriors and sailors to use by becoming pirates. Between these "Sea People" attested to in contemporary writings, disease, and food shortage, the Mycenaeans and Hittites collapsed. Egypt barely survived. Civilization in the region fell into a dark age where bronze-making and writing were lost. Thereafter, the Bronze Age was remembered by later cultures as a mythological age of great heroes. These had to be remembered in oral histories because of the loss of writing. These stories were eventually codified in writing systems that had little connection to the ones that came before. The codified stories would have been far removed from what may have actually happened. Despite many misremembered parts, as a whole, it gives us the broad strokes of what was going on at the time. There is enough there to piece together the truth. EDIT: Mistakenly said it was on the Bosphorus, then I was reminded it was on the Hellespont, some ways to the south and west of the Bosphorus. Edited the comment to reflect this.
@gokbay3057
@gokbay3057 11 ай бұрын
Hellespont, not the Bosphorus.
@patriciusthehumanfighter3642
@patriciusthehumanfighter3642 11 ай бұрын
@@gokbay3057 Right, got it mixed up.
@countdeville4146
@countdeville4146 11 ай бұрын
Love the OSP content. As for what to watch next from OSP i would recommend to start with the oldest videos and go through, regardless of type, Red or Blue i think you will enjoy both. There is a lot of running jokes that start way back and get reused a lot troughout other things, like Odysseus being Snake from MGS or the hate for Agamemnon, amongst others. Also new Maxor Elden Ring video.
@IncredibleWerekitty
@IncredibleWerekitty 11 ай бұрын
The lion with a man's face may have been a manticore. Did it have a scorpion's tail, too?
@Maswartz226
@Maswartz226 11 ай бұрын
Please go in order, it's great watching her art get better and better.
@jellyowl2644
@jellyowl2644 11 ай бұрын
You can sort videos from channels from oldest to newest, if you do that go down to the thumbnails with blue text the third is the iliad the fourth is the oddesy
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 11 ай бұрын
It hurts me Neoptolemus wasnt mentioned
@manosbouzoubouzou1386
@manosbouzoubouzou1386 11 ай бұрын
Also the relationship of Achilles and Patroclus, was more like a brotherly bond and they grew up together and became battle brothers. You know without the extra organs and mutilation.
@mattsullivan78
@mattsullivan78 11 ай бұрын
That actually changes very little considering it's bronze age greece.
@manosbouzoubouzou1386
@manosbouzoubouzou1386 11 ай бұрын
@@mattsullivan78 fair enough and while I’d love to have a conversation I’m too busy atm. Again you’re not completely wrong, considering that in those times, losing a friend meant you were free to kill the murderers family.
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 11 ай бұрын
@@manosbouzoubouzou1386 and the fact they were cousins too
@hollowbrinethehollowfiedsu6365
@hollowbrinethehollowfiedsu6365 11 ай бұрын
speaking of fate and helen of troy, i thought of a cool idea where she is an assassin class servant. however her power is causing others to kill eachother for her while she actually can't control it and hates it. then there is an alter version that is essentially a siren/succubus that does control it and loves it.
@danthiel8623
@danthiel8623 15 күн бұрын
Agamemnon is real he has a death mask of Mycenean origin, Troy is real. it's in Turkey now.
@Ravensgale
@Ravensgale 11 ай бұрын
31:15 The anime and manga you're talking about is one of my favorites, and it's called Saint Young Men.
@Kairukurumi
@Kairukurumi 11 ай бұрын
This is the fourth in this series The Iliad The Odyssey and The Aeneid came before this
@fictional-girl_05
@fictional-girl_05 8 ай бұрын
In some versions of the story the apple lands in front of Peleus first and he's the one who picks it up and reads the inscription. If I were him in that version, I would just give the apple to Thetis. You know, his wife? It's the easy way out.
@joshtompkins1538
@joshtompkins1538 11 ай бұрын
I regret to inform you that Max0r has uploaded a new video. I pray for your sanity.
@Krokmaniak
@Krokmaniak 11 ай бұрын
Troy was actually a real place until it was blown up by certain XIX century archeologist that shall not be named
@Historyfrek4ever
@Historyfrek4ever 11 ай бұрын
And again I am reminded of lost Homerians. I blame who or wichever time Library of Alexandria was burned. In thruth it’s probably just regular erosion of source through time but the burning is more media sexy.
@hybrid22003
@hybrid22003 11 ай бұрын
In another video. Red link the Trojan War to the Bronze age collapse. Because so many rulers died and put the whole "world" into chaos. and a lot of the soldiers just pillaging all around the Mediterranean.
@PrayerWarrior4
@PrayerWarrior4 11 ай бұрын
History tends to repeat itself, more than two nickles at a time lol 🤣
@EpicSteve23
@EpicSteve23 11 ай бұрын
To clarify the curse of Atreus joke. Agamemnon, and Menaleus were brothers
@neatgamer5999
@neatgamer5999 Ай бұрын
I like to imagine if he had chosen the victory in battle option he could have technically gotten all three of the goddesses incentives with being able to win every war he could easily become king of the world and would have been able to easily kidnap Helen since he would have known great War strategies
@minasthirith6314
@minasthirith6314 11 ай бұрын
Iris is colored like the visible light spectrum.
@nelleneulmer5385
@nelleneulmer5385 11 ай бұрын
19:26 Iris is the goddess of the rainbow, that’s why Red drew her that way.
@gokbay3057
@gokbay3057 11 ай бұрын
Yup, she was also the main messenger for Olympus before Hermes got the job, after which they kinda became coworkers.
@octapusxft
@octapusxft 11 ай бұрын
Why could there not be a big budget anime about the Trojan war and Odyssey?
@gokbay3057
@gokbay3057 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, that would be cool. You don't even need to do it directly. Like, you could make a mecha anime with the plot of the Illiad/the Trojan War.
@Asexual_Individual
@Asexual_Individual 11 ай бұрын
Red has done a lot of Greek Myth/plays videos. Some of them are short enough that you can probably group them together for one video.
@tamaramcmomccarty
@tamaramcmomccarty 11 ай бұрын
BTW If you are intersted in stories from obscure or missing texts, try the OSP about the "Great Seal Fight." The name will make sense later.
@raw6668
@raw6668 11 ай бұрын
I love how you said tell me in the comments when in the first part you state comments are a lot and I do not remember it. Oh well, yeah I think you enjoy when they go with the origins of Rome myth. Beter is known as Illiad and Odyssey V2.
@LPTheGas
@LPTheGas 10 ай бұрын
The Jesus and Buddha roommates thing you mentioned is Saint Young Men, but last I checked it's just a manga. If they really did make an anime out of it, I'm gonna have to check that out. Edit: from wikipedia: A-1 Pictures adapted the manga series into two original animation DVDs (OADs) and an anime film which was released on May 10, 2013. It also inspired a ten-episode live-action web series in 2018.
@BrittanyArtPoetry
@BrittanyArtPoetry 11 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t give it to Zeus, I would give it to Persephone, when I’m dead hers is the only favour that might make a difference
@7Seraphem7
@7Seraphem7 11 ай бұрын
And yet, despite having stuff like this happening since way back then....the jocks still never listen to the nerds......
@khylerbane4523
@khylerbane4523 11 ай бұрын
You should check out Old man Five(ish) Minute Lore . Like Tuska Daemon-Killa the Ork that went to ork heaven, Rylanor the bad ass , ciaphas cain the coward... I mean hero of the Imperium and Trazyn the infinite Pokemon master.
@greatazuredragon
@greatazuredragon 11 ай бұрын
Great episode.
@jackwriter1908
@jackwriter1908 7 ай бұрын
29:37 nah man, that's a reference to the old _I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of gum._ 32:35 I feel like this is a Batamn / Superman situation... in early versions Archillies was Batman, total badass no superpowers and in the end lost because he was poisoned with the help of powerful beings (you could even say it has similarities with the time Bane broke someone back). And later Archillies became Superman who was nearly invincible with a small exception and if you got lucky and had the right weapon you could beat him.
@pokemfan951
@pokemfan951 11 ай бұрын
Too much of Agamemnon is an absolute shitshow, but if you're curious how his story ends (I mean, we KNOW how it ends, but still), check out a double (technically triple, it's 3 discs) album called The House of Atreus by Virgin Steele. Be warned though: it's a bit long, but still shorter than the Iliad, about 2 3/4 hours, and may not be your cup of tea, depending on musical taste. It's a musical retelling of the Oresteia, starting at the end of the Trojan War, before he makes his way back home, and I will say no more, should you want to hear it for yourself. Edit: And have lyrics with you. The lyrics are done by character, not just content.
@nelleneulmer5385
@nelleneulmer5385 11 ай бұрын
Menelaous and Agamemnon are brothers and both are sons of Atreus himself.
@TheArcSet
@TheArcSet 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this reaction.
@nelleneulmer5385
@nelleneulmer5385 11 ай бұрын
38:36 I forgot that in a previous video you said that mysteries like this are just huge piles of sugar to you. Then the way Red spins the video on Loki and Heimdall’s seal fight and the Epic of Gilgamesh ( one of her newest videos) will be like a candyland.
@HylianWolfMage55
@HylianWolfMage55 11 ай бұрын
I think you'll also like the Epic The Musical concept album since it's a retelling of The Odyssey.
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