Josh Lentz many thanks. We really try to put forward a concise and easily relatable platform, so we are glad you find DR helpful. Best wishes, DR

Yeah, sounds like a robot giving a sales pitch.

Read your comment just as I reached the section. “CLUNK”.

The S Hoop has more value then that . That's just a added benefit.🥁

Ángel Rodríguez many thanks for your kind words. Really glad it proves useful to you. Best wishes, DR

I love the aesthetics of the die cast.

Exactly. When playing heavier types of music, rimshots make up about 90% of my hits on the snare, so I really think they are a must for any review.

They feel great in your hands too. They make the drum resonate like free floating pearl hoops without all the hassle of them breaking.

Hi @Guru Drums, thanks for your observation! We do intend to cover this in a further video (part 2 of this one if you like) where we swap both hoops to see what further change this has, but initially we thought we'd start with just swapping out the batter side as we thought this is probably the most common thing that drummers would do first!

Why did I not think you'd have that covered ;) The differences will not be huge, & also vary from drum to drum, but it is a worthwhile completion of the comparison.

Hi Guru Drums, we did that a while ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qZ5grKuSsLfVl6s.html It's much more work to change both hoops and tune them afterwards. But you'll hear the difference. Chris

time to work for a drum company...that much attention to detail get bypassed from most

Interesting. Any update on this matter as for a reason why?

Nolly uses a pitch pipe for reference. On a regular 14x5" snare tune the reso head to an A4 and the batter to anything between C4 (low) and F4 (very high) to get a similar sounding result.

Here you go David kzfaq.info/get/bejne/orZxltKbstvTpX0.html

After a coma it has to be a space

djentlover Yeah....but you can’t go wrong with diecast hoops. They’re the most consistent when tuning and have the best feel. I just bought a Tama SLP Bubinga snare for $297. It has triple flanged hoops. So I had to buy a set of diecast hoops. They cost me $140. So now that snare I got such a great deal on is up to $437. I feel your pain. I can tolerate triple flanged or s type hoops on Metal snares. But on wood snare I got to have diecast.

yes...s hoop got me as well...live n learn? in the end, it is micro difference and unless you are recording, you can live with it, BUT...you now got something to buy and look forward towards...

+ Diecast looks 10 times better and make the drum 5 times heavier :D

Diecast is the best. Cuts the mix the best wity rim shots, holds tuning the best and the added weight helps keep ringing overtones to a minimum. You made the right choice

I put S hoops on a custom drum of mine since I was somewhat torn between new triple flange or die cast. I've had both on the drum with good results but was a bit intrigued by some descriptions of the S hoop as delivering the best of both worlds. I wasn't disappointed. Overall yes, they do sound and feel in between the TF and DC. The rim shot and cross stick are a tad more pronounced and focused. The only thing I didn't care for was playing just the rim itself as it seemed rather pingy which, after hearing how dead they were off the drum in this video, kind of surprised me. They don't have that nice fat stick to rim tone that die cast has. When playing something like a light second-line rim thing or rockabilly rim shuffle it just sounds kind of blah...but hearing it back on a recording I didn't notice it so much and it didn't annoy me like it did sitting right above it. But all in all, I'm pretty happy with the S hoops.

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I clicked to watch this video cuz I noticed that lol

I just ordered a snare that comes with S-hoops, did you end up moving to a mic stand for snare or did you find a different clip that works better?

@@bikefreak77 oh boi I already switched to diecast and then next month I'm ordering a Tama with triple flange to replace my main snare. Yeah you could try and find a clip that snaps more to your S-hoops but personally I wont risk it. Much safer to use mic stands. If your gigging with it just by a light stand and you should be good.

@@eucabusas thanks for the response, I appreciate it. My gigs lately have been shared kits between two bands (other than snare and cymbals) and the venue provides the mics/clips. As you suggested it's probably easier if I show up with a stand or maybe pick up a die cast or sonic saver hoop (one of my other snares is a Black Panther) where the clips will work properly.

The only diecast hoops other than the standard Zinc alloy that Tama and most manufacturers use are the Aluminum diecast hoops from Yamaha. I believe Yamaha has all their diecast hoops made from aluminum and they are considerably more expensive than a standard Zinc diecast hoop. Besides that there are cast Bronze or “Bell Brass” diecast hoops. Those run about $250 each. There are a few botique drum companies that make these. Well worth it if you have a high end snare like a Bell Brass.

Too much space before I.

Yes

The upper flange on an S Hoop curves downward at a 45ish degree angle and yes it goes well past the bearing edge. For a snare the Tama Sound Arc Hoop is a much better option.

How come?

#grustle

Drum Factory Direct.

Savantjazzcollective It’s the shortest and sounds muted and constricted. Listen on a quality device with good headphones and you’ll hear it.

Old Man Misanthrope Likewise. To me it sounded too ‘ringy’ with the overtones. I preferred the die-cast and wood hoops.

the hoops affect overtones

Find a custom drum builder. Tama makes Maple wood hoops. Not any noticeable sound.

@@Assimilator702 I was hoping for an off the rack solution for the walnut, maple drum hoops are easy to find. Tnx anyway

@@amirbendayan376 No one makes walnut hoops except for custom builders. You could buy a set of Maple hoops and stain them dark brown if that’s your thing. There won’t be an audible difference between maple and walnut. Durability would be the only factor as walnut might be a touch more dense than maple. However Yamaha used Maple for their first wood hoops back in the the 90’s. Tama added them to their catalog. Good enough for me. You could make them yourself if you’re semi proficient at woodworking. Not that difficult with the right tools. Or a lot of patience and a few Japanese pulll saws.

@@Assimilator702 I'll give the Tama ones a try see how it feels, thanks.

Just keep moving them around. You got 9 different places to wear out.