Let me know what you think about Rotation and what champions you want to see REMOVED. Custom Card Album: imgur.com/a/lRpYWF8 Thumbnail art by FootballHead Art in the video by SollyzCrown

Im sad about Vlad rotating because scargrounds is my favourite mechanic that was never good, its just so different from all other decks

The mogwai SNAP Incident 🤣🤣

I told Riot in the survey that if they do rotations, I'm leaving.

“The snap incident” had me rolling haha

The Kayn joke didn't age well with Kayn Vayne being the number 1 staple deck of worlds

LoR has a lot of great content creators, but these documentary-esque videos are really on another level. So well put together and important for this community. Awesome job Snnuy!

I would be all for Rotation where the cards are actually coming back. So not the last X years/expansions but specific list of X cards should be playable. It should contain all newer cards and a variaty of old ones.

I just hope that rotation isn't an eternal "so long" but an actual rotation where cards come and go

The snap incident... 😭😭

Knowing Riot policy, they will just straight up *remove* some cards and release their ,,reworked" versions, just like in league, so you better play your favorite cards while you can, because some will be gone forever.

Gangplank is my favourite champion in LoR and in general for league related stuff, but I hope he gets rotated and remade into a new form. I mean they got that snazzy new Gangplank the Betrayer skin they can use for his base, and him dying to come back is kinda thematic for him at this point.

I remember a video from Khodok talking about card game mechanics and 'sins', and specifically about rotation how it does serve a purpose for rotating out toxic mechanics and giving the devs leeway to experiment and make things better. The only counterpoint about rotating that I remember was that a banlist would already fix this and that it could be seen as an excuse to sell more product... The difference is that LoR is a digital card game, and cards could be reworked, which they have done to various degrees of success, and the second part is that LoR is such a generous card game that I don't really see rotation as a problem. Now, I have to say that my perspective is one from someone who had been playing the game nearly non-stop since beta and I have the full collection + spare to complete at least a couple expansions more. That is not a fair representation for people who aren't on my situation or that are thinking about jumping into the game before rotation comes out. In my opinion, they should establish a safety net for people jumping into the game close to rotation so they can experience the game, but refund them some shards when rotation comes out so they don't feel like they just spent a bunch of resources for a bunch of cards that are pretty much going to be useless soon after.

I think it would be fair if Riot would give something like a wildcard skin token if the champion you bought a skin for gets rotated. So then you can apply it to any skin for any champion with the same cost until the previous champ is back. Also + respect for Undertale music

I'm a bit disappointed the 'get rotated' meme with the shark wasn't used in this one 😅 Otherwise I agree with most things you said, rotation is gonna be a huge opportunity for the devs. There are also some non-champion cards that could get rotated to change the meta big time.

I like the idea of reworking champions. Card games like mtg release legendries multiple times that are the same character but sometimes with a different themes and even with different color identities. Might be neat to see champions get reworked and maybe even have their themes changed. It is sad to compare champions like vlad to sera :( give the blood-boy a new design.

The kermit bit is just a editing masterpiece at its finest

I think you explained it all very well. Overall rotation is a matter that I’m very hesitant with, it sounds like a concept that could easily be screwed up and make things a lot worse, but your reasoning for why it’s necessary is very solid. In the end, I can only hope Riot does it justice, but overall I think it’ll benefit the game.

On the pyke topic, I think we just need more variety of lurk cards in other regions. I had an idea about a piltover&zaun lurk card called the sewer monster that gave rally everytime you discard like 2 cards per round or when you don't have any cards on hand. The same goes with deep cards

The absolver was a mistake. Hell, giving overwhelm on burst is a mistake. Make it focus and we're good.

Que o Ezreal seja levado pela rotação, amém!

I’ve gotta be honest I think that some skin lines would actually work great as “alternate champions” where they count as the same champion as the original, but they have different card text

It all depends on whether riot is going to do a good job or not. I'm all for rotating a champion and bringing him back in a new form later.

Hi snnuy! I'm in plat now thanks for all of the videos and advices in LOR.

Love this kind of videos, gameplay is fun and I always enjoy seeing you play, but you talking about the game in general is fascinating too. (Edit: Sorry my english is bad)

"amazing metas" *Shows the meta where Lee Sin, Grand Plaza, Go Hard and Feel the Rush were the best decks in the game by a giant margin*

Yeah, as a person who plays MTG, I'm still surprised there is only one version of each champion after this long. I hope they do release different versions of champions one day like how Magic does with Legendaries and Planeswalkers

Feels like rotation is a good excuse to completely forget about buff/reworking unplayable cards

I'd like to see Lurking cards get more options but that being said, that's my favourite deck and I love Pyke and Rek'Sai the way they are. Will cards that get rotated out see re-works or will they just rot? Irelia isn't in a good game state so what's the point in bringing her back if she doesn't see changes?

Before the video: I disagree with TF being rotated. I've seen Riot's argumentation, but as for me it is totally fine for a CARDMASTER to be a strong and unique card in a card game.

Rotate. Every. Rally. Card. Music for the hears

People: "omg all these metas are crazy good and awesome!" me still winning 67% of the time with the exact same celestial deck i've played since expansion 3:

Amazing writing and editing, as always. It's clear how much love you put into videos like this one, man

I'm sure rotation will save us from broken unfun metas. Just ask Magic and Hearthstone players I'm sure they'll agree

My name is even "twist of fate" on runeterra and i mainly play decks that shape around tf its Just so sad to see that they will be rotating him... He was my main since i started to lor.

The Kermit sync up killed me 🤣

That QUALITY version of a cyber world at the end tho 👌🏻

One thing i've been wondering. Many card games with set rotation only have 2 formats. "Standard" and "Everything goes". It could also be fun to see the potential of a rotating mini-format. Like a weekly challenge containing only a few champions and their associated cards at a time. Almost similar to the free champ rotation in League. This could be a fun little way to force people out of the box. Give us quinn without mf for example. See what people can come up with in a heavily limited cardpool. Will this be balanced? Probably not, but it might be a fun side-format.

Let’s all remember that sunny is occasionally sponsored by Legends of Runeterra

"Rotating cards is pretty much inevitable for any card game." The Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG: "The f*ck it is! Watch me invent a new summoning mechanic next year!"

The mogwai snap incident kkkkkkk

I actually have been waiting for this, it's going to make the game feel really fresh. I don't care about ranked too much so playing eternal is also not a problem when I want to experience my favorite champs again.

I'd love to see Renata and Silco get added at the same time. And I want Renata to have discard synergy

I'd like Pyke to have a pull effect where he forces an enemy to attack.

The most fun I had in Runeterra was when it first came out and I had no idea you could view cards you didn't own at least 1 copy of already. I knew you could buy additional copies of a card you'd already got in a chest, but didn't know you could buy a first copy without randomly finding it first. It may sound annoying to some of you but back then there wasn't much of a meta so it was actually really fun because every chest would potentially have brand new cards and effects that I'd never seen before. I remember when I saw snapvine for the first time and my brain exploded with all the possibilities of new decks I could build but I was so constrained by the small number of cards that I had that there was a genuine problem-solving element to deck building which was really fun! Now I look at all the cards in my collection and there's multiple cards that could fill the spot, usually with one clear meta choice - card rotations sound like they might put some artificial constraints into the game that will (counter-intuitively) allow for more creative deck building with otherwise unused cards. Sounds like a good thing to me.

Wow! I love Pyke. Never really thought of the gold sharing passive from Pyke. It would be incredible if Pyke can generate coins per kill after Lv2. Rework on levelling him up is something Riot can work with. But still, great perspective, Snnuy :)

What am I gonna do with my Treasure deck once tf is rotated >:(

What I would also like to see is changing the identity of a region to better go along with the theme of the year. Just like HS changes the core set nowadays. I am tired of the pink region bouncing back my units (deny and nopeify are fine) and probably shift it from being a combo region (getting kicked in the face hurts).

im all about champions getting rotation changes with or without a new package, I dont want champions to get "removed"

i think my concern is that rotation will be heavily weighted towards rotating out old cards, and leaving a lot of the newer champions untouched. Below is mostly me rambling, apologies if its kind of all over the place. imo seraphine, and a lot of these 'generate a random card' types should be rotated out, because no one enjoys losing to a wincon the opponent pulled out of their butt. even after her nerf I see streamers groan at seraphine because they know whats in store, insofar as they dont know what to expect, because theyll end up losing to a hail mary random card generation. But i dont see Riot rotating champions they (relatively speaking) just released. On top of that, That is pretty much Bandle City's modus operandi. So it becomes a difficult tightrope walk. I think there can be balance, as many of the bandle city cards have a relatively limited pool to generate from. Id love to see 'generate a random card' always have to be from your decks regions, because that creates at the least some sense of knowledge for the opponent. 'Okay, I know you generated a card from pnz or noxus, I dont have to worry about you pulling a vengeance or deny out of nowhere.' I do think a lot of low usage champions should be rotated out, especially older ones, so they can do a take-two on them. Id love to see a reworked Darius that works more with overwhelms. Or having a reason to play him over any other overwhelm unit. Itd also be nice to see a champion like Lucian have soe new life breathed into him as well. I also think rotation might not necessarily help in regards such as why Freljiord (full disclosure, probs my favorite region) isn't played. This plays into the spectral matron issue a bit. The issue is a lot of end game cards aren't worth playing. Nothing feels as bad as pouring all your mana into a win con, only for it to get stopped by your opponent for a fraction of the cost. you just played a big scary 10-cost unit? oh, well, the opponent has disintegrate and a 1 mana deal 1. whoops, you spent 10 mana on a big scary card, only for it to die to 3 mana. Or your opponent pertpetually delays it from attacking by way of stun, frostbite, etc. Same goes with big impact spells being negated by deny. I get that you cant just remove all forms of control from the game, but I think there needs to be some way of being able to protect your win con. Especially considering how often games are decided by turn 5/6. Getting to mana 10 is already a challenge in most matchups. Doubly so when you arent playing a ramp deck. Seriously, when is the last time you saw someone play Minah Swiftfoot or Atakhan? Im not saying that every card needs to be a 10 mana "Win the game" card, but I think it needs to be harder to take that type of thing down. Overall, I think rotation will be good. It will at the very least, freshen the game up, and prevent meta decks from being pidgeonholed into the same cards over and over. I think the thing Im looking forward to is less the rotation itself, and moreso the first release of cards after rotation. Because that will show us just how effecrive rotation will be.

I wanted to return to LoR after taking a break of it to play Master Duel. So I updated the game, open it, saw tons of new stuff, got excited to upgrade my old decks, then I saw they added rotation... sure I could still play in the Eternal mode... but it doesn't feel right, is not even a separate ladder, that's like creating a duel room in Master Duel with the ban list off... so I closed the game, and sadly probably will never play it again. The worst part about it is that as far as I understand: -you can't dust your old cards to craft newer ones -there were no new levels added to level up regions. -the weekly vault can still drop rotated cards... all in all, the first impression I get from rotation is to get players to buy the wild cards and structure decks. If it is for balancing purposes, then maybe Riot should start adding restrictions to cards, and creating less generic cards.

I’d always make really gimmicky Irelia decks like Hallow Blade Dance but I guess that’s gone now :(

I think a good way to think about rotation is that Eternal is not the format that's getting added - Standard is. The game as we play it right now is not going anywhere, and if you want to keep playing your favorite champion, you can still do it. Sure, it might not stay viable as more and more cards get added, but that's already the world we live in, as your pet decks remain at the mercy of the meta (like that Nasus example). On the other hand, on the off-chance that your main does not get rotated, it might actually get an opportunity to shine with a smaller card pool. I suppose someone might not like the gameplay that's usually associated with eternal formats, with faster games and uninteractable combos, but that change is inevitable and has nothing to do with rotation, so you will have to deal with it either way. Better do it sooner rather than later. Also, even such an insane card game as Shadowverse got a perfectly viable midrange deck that's legal in their eternal format, so I wouldn't discount entire playstyles just yet.

I don't think rotating a champion or set of cards because they only work in X deck/format/archetype/whatever is really a good reason for some champions to be rotated. Anivia only works in one deck and it's where she dies, a lot, and that's her whole thing. Reworking or rotating out some or any of the cards she would use would kill her, a lot more than she already is dead. Even rotating out Anivia doesn't do anything to solve the issue either. Rotate out Pyke and his package and then what does Rek'sai do? Nothing, the answer is nothing, no one would play Rek'sai or even consider her, unless they played the deck Snnuy did that one time. There are a number of champions like this where if even a part of their package is gone, they're just dead in the water and won't see play. As for the question of who I want removed: Viego, he caused me too much stress when I first started playing that I want him deader than he already is. Vice versa I'd be sad if they rotated out Riven, Shyvana or Taliyah since I love all of them the most and frequently play them.

Beautiful video! Everything you said was on point, I'll be sharing this to anyone with questions about rotation 🙌

I play yugioh as well as LoR and where as in ygo being no rotation, there's a banned and limited list instead which (should) get updated about every 3 months. This probably would not work for LoR but a card game can definitely stay alive despite having no rotations

Hopefully there is a historic game mode like in mtg

The way you see rotation making stuff viable will either help small fraction of underpowered cards, or will require removing third of all card pool. It will never be good. This will be just another irreversable design mistake like shurima and play/cast merge.

Irelia going bye bye is music to my ears. I can now expect Talon Azir Blade Dance.

The fact that the devs are open to bringing rotated cards BACK to Standard is great news. There will always be casualties in rotation, with or without skins, card backs, and other cosmetics. But at least there's hope that old cards can return in a healthier or more interesting environment. I am interested however in what people think about having the option to select one or two champs or even cards to ban before queuing in multiplayer. In other words, if you ban Seraphine for that session, you won't run into players that are currently queuing with a Seraphine in their deck. I saw that suggestion in a comment in another KZfaq video. That might be a good way to prevent burnout in between patches and expansions, but that could also lead to long queue times for certain decks.

Big production value as always. Keep up the good work sir

Another Snnuy banger, keep making the incredible content man!!

7:29 got the monster house ost

17:46 STAR GARDIAN HEAaAa

Oh snap

Hopefully the rotation mechanic is more similar to the banlist used in Yugioh where it limits, semi-limits or bans cards that are overpowered in the current meta to create a more balanced and healthy game state. Especially in tier 0/S formats where only one or two archetypes are being played because they're just clearly better. Then you can bring them back when they've been power crept by new support or new combos.

I'd make an argument that Anivia needs to be rotated. Anivia only really works in a revive deck, like Shadow Isles, and any card that lets you bring a card back in play (while already strong) makes her extremely powerful, as she can freely block everything once she is leveled. That's not to mention that she heavily limits opponent options when she takes up the stack with her skill attack, while not as oppressive as Azirelia, she only works on one deck and very little else, which is a shame as I rather like the bird and her revive gimick

if u think LOR alread have multiple copies of the same character, but diferent - we have Sena 2 times , one as a follower and one as a champion, we have 2 kahiri ( the young one and the old one), and we Have all the timeline of Citria from novice to general. and we have all the timeline of proff von yipp too

16:24 why must you hurt me this way :(((

I was thingking about champions switching regions lol

Cool and insightful video! While it's sad to see some champs go, I hope that these rotations can create more room for creative and exciting cards which can reinvigorate LoR and its players!

The reason I’m worried about rotation is I don’t care about what my champs I enjoy do, I care about who they are and if they’re playable and if they’re not in the game, then they’re not playable. And sure eternal format exists but what I worry about with the eternal format is that the LoR team doesn’t have the resources to balance that and won’t care to do so once rotation hits. They’ll focus entirely on the cards they want to put into the rotation and everything else will be untouched. So Poppy? I don’t think that my favorite champ in Runeterra and LoL will ever see a much needed buff following the Rally nerfs unless she’s one of the *very lucky few* to get touched up for Rotation.

Bro U are the best. delivering super informational video and making me laugh my ass off at the same time. Awesome humor awesome editing.

As long as champions aren’t permanently rotated out skins won’t be useless and ppl can still play their favorite champions if they’re reintroduced reworked. It’s better than never seeing them in standard again

(Me looking at Silco) I dont need it . . . I dont need it . . . I dont need it . . . *I NEED IT!!!!!!!*

I have never heard of set rotation that removes cards from all playable modes in any game. There will most likely be 2 formats (standard and whatever the hell they call the non-rotating one).

The only thing between this and all other card games is this game has major balance patches and can remake cards (which is the same as your proposed replacing poorly designed champs). Card games with rotation just release the same cards with different artwork over and over again. I do think they could release multiple versions of the same champion just treat them kinda like Planeswalkers, where u can only have 1 champion of the same name out at a time. With rotation, LoR removes one of their biggest selling points, if you like a deck, you can play it.

your video quality is so good snnuy!! keep em coming

I'm hoping they only rotate non-champion cards. I would like to see champions played differently rather than deleted.

Great vid as always man, always wanted to get into runeterra. Rotations might be the push I need to try it

I would prefer a banlist like in Yu Gi Oh rather than rotation. I love how in YGO I can play with a 20 year old card whenever I want.

the snap incident, rip. i miss mogwai content, havent been able to get into snap though so :/

"The champions that are being rotated are: Me: Pls dont be Gankplank or Twisted Fate! "Yesnt."

I usually don't comment too much, but the quality of your videos keeps on increasing! I'm sure you'll be partnered when rotation comes. A true 2023 LoR buff. You make the game more fun for me, so thanks for that. Keep up the good work!

Hi Snnuy, how would you adress the problem with cosmetics getting devalued by rotation and the amount of players that could get driven away by a bad rotation choice? In my mind Riot had either to reduce the cost of champion skins drastically or give a refound which both could mean that the game becomes not worth running anymore and if the give no compensation a lot of players could become more reluctant to spend money which leads to the same end result as the way above. I think that is because LoR has not the income from pack sales but it would also near impossible to intruduce a system like selling packs without a high risk of killing the game. I would love to hear your take on these problems. Regards Gunrogk

this video is making me excited to play runeterra again. every time I lose faith in this game you give me hope. thank you :,)

I wouldn't be surprised if they did something like they do with some prestige skins and such in league, just re-releasing a champ with updated stats and effects. I mean, we already have two Sennas, so, why not, ya know? Some might be a bit more complicated to "rework", like Jhin for example, to keep them fresh, but I'm sure something's possible there.

They could delete half the game but remove Lee-Sin and I'd still consider it a positive. You will not be missed. (As an aside your prepared content is top notch, looks like a ton of work but its entertaining and informative, keep it up, appreciate the effort).

I rather like the idea of ban lists over rotation. I get it would take a lot more work and certain archetypes would def feel kneecapped a bit with certain cards gone, but having entire archetypes just gone entirely just makes for more chances for stuff to go unanswered if a absolutely busted ones comes out when the counter got pushed into that eternal game mode

how will they define rotation and will eternal develop it's own meta?

While some main champs I'm actually down for rotation I just really like variety

Love these video essay type videos snnuy, keep up the good content :D

If we Still have a gamemode where ALL cards are available Im going to probably still going to play that One, but have some decks Ready for rotation

I disagree. Rotation is just an excuse not to expend the right amount of time buffing/nerfing/reworking the cards so they can all work in harmony with the new content they release. Sure you can have a deck that's more powerful than another, but that power should not be raw stats but rather a bigger game knowledge. Decks like Elítes demacia with garen should stay low on the competitive aspect because they're not meant to be played at higher stakes, but rather they are meant to be simple enough so a new player can start with it and get acquainted with the game and it's mechanics, and yet still they need to exist. Riot once said they wanted to have a game on every genre and be the best game on it, greedy but achievable. This is another step to the wrong direction, but they've been like this for quite a while now so... What's even worse, is that the public that plays these games forge bonds with their champs, and maybe that goes as far as only playing one. Rotating those champs is straight up losing that public for no reason, and you may say: "well, but playing the same champ over and over again is boring", for you, maybe, but there's thousands of players that daily play with a single champ for years and they still have fun while doing it.

As a yu-gi-oh player I can say that rotation is needed sooner rather then later. We dont have that and powercreep is getting out of hand, sometimes old cards become a problem thanks to new cards and the game is becoming to quick. I know ygo is beyond the point where rotation can be implemented, but lor still has that chance. Rotation also means that the creators have a little bit more freedom and less stress of hard balancing a ton of cards. Being an online game which allows the use of balance by number changing makes rotation even more needed. No dev can balance 1k cards all the time.

Oh god phew, my evelynn Soraka and miss fortune survived this round of elimination in the hunger games. I feel like I dodged a bullet

You cannot approach Runeterra rotation the same way as other card games because Runeterra releases packages and not sets. Every "set" in LoR, is literally just several champion packages and a smattering of cards for older champion packages. If you rotated, say the base set, suddenly all of those cards printed later that exist almost solely for Ashe synergy or Poro synergy, etc. will all become uselessly adrift in the metagame. You have to rotate packages, not sets, even when those packages are strewn over multiple sets.

I made a comment a moment ago but another worry I have is with people saying “Oh I can’t wait to see them rework this champ” okay but what about all the champs we don’t have yet? The team can only do so much at one time so if we get reworks and new versions of existing champs won’t that take away from their ability to add in the champs not yet in the game?

Now I feel much better about rotation!

Awesome detailed video Snnuy. I really enjoy these.