I hope the fashionable use of a semicolon in the title sends someone into a fit of furious delirium

imagine wanting your "here's why" series to be edited and concise. real gamers want that 25 minute stream of consciousness 😎😎

The downfall of ADV OU Snorlax respect on this channel is astonishing...

He had his fun in Gen 1 and 2, every empire falls eventually.

Definitely a sentiment I and I'm sure all other advers can agree with, the decline in Snorlax usage in the last 4/5 years is not a coincidence. I rarely build with the assumption that Snorlax can perform all the special checking that my team requires. I actually think that the most critical partner for Snorlax is a powerful enough sweeper, I think all my snorlax teams in the last year have had bulky ddtar or a ddmence. I think Snorlax can actually provide a service to these sweepers in the vast majority of games. for example - chip down a Skarm with focus punch and then immediate boom into Metagross has now put two pokemon that previously threaten to stop a sweep into range of attacks. the key here is that the vast number of threats Snorlax was meant to check early game can still be checked at least once late game, bulky ddtar is a perfect pokemon for this as with a lum berry it can boost vs the vast majority of special attackers in the tier. I think this actually echoes what you said at one point Kev, about how offensive teams in dpp can afford fewer walls. My advice to anyone interested in trying what I've discussed here would be: See Snorlax offense more like a Smeargle team, granted, you're welcome to play a slower pace, but in the end; a Snorlax game will be won by trading resources to get your sweepers closer to winning, Snorlax can take Zapdos tbolt once and make a significant advancement to your potential sweep with its boom. The problems in the builder arise when people expect it to do more, Id rather let those games be a happy coincidence. hope some people found that interesting :)

It's a knock on effect of optimization of a metagame. If you are making a team to face a random set of 6 viable pokemon in ADV, let's say in B- or above on the rankings, Snorlax will more likely than be a valuable asset into those random 6 things. Even if your opponent rolls one or even two of Skarmory, Gengar, Tyranitar, and Metagross, the likelihood they roll all four is pretty low. But now we have pushed the metagame. We have seen that the existence of three or four of them on the same team is viable, and that when on the same team they make a team with Snorlax play nearly 6v5 with advanced fodder, so running Snorlax is constantly a risk, and one decreasingly worth actually taking.

Very interesting watching False Swipe’s history of Lax video then seeing this. Really showcases how much ADV OU has evolved and been optimistized as a Tier over time.

Being slow with the changes to the IV/EV hurt Snorlax. Choice band also hurt Snorlax as it might have to take 2 hits by switching in plus Skarmory

Snorlax is pretty cool ... until you realize that it has no resistances (except for its incredibly niche ghost immunity) and is affected by every form of passive damage with the exception of toxic (and even that comes at the cost of losing its two only potential resistances).

Add 2 of the most dangerous pokemon in ADV that set sun or rain on switch-in, kick Ttar down to a B rank pokemon, and threaten the daylights out of every single normal resist; add 2 special attackers that make Zapdos look like a UU pokemon who constantly need to switch into and threaten the weather setters out; add Thunder Wave to the weather setters so they force these big special attackers to refresh or falter against weather setters later and in doing so give lax an incredible attacking opportunity; add the most dangerous pokemon in ADV who demands that an opposing Metagross or Jirachi remain close to full health lest they be unable to save a team from said dangerous pokemon; do all of this and you have Ubers where Snorlax thrives. Tanking Latios Thunder still hurts way more than Zapdos but Leftovers actively healing Snorlax and offsetting Spikes damage helps so so much. I hope my use of semicolons weren't as upsetting as the title and if anything more upsetting!

Snorlax is probably the biggest casualty of Gen 3's reworked EV system. Part of why it was so strong in previous generations was that it didnt have to choose between what stats it speced into whereas a lot of Pokemon that only really fill one role (say, Gengar) arent as bothered by that change because they only care about certain stats. Snorlax would need to spec into every stat to be able to function properly in Gen 3 OU and the fact that it cant hurts it more than most and the good qualities it does have arent enough to compensate

BKC going on his "here's why" arc and i'm here for it lets go

Regice gives it some honestly good competition too. Especially since it can actually tank special hits without faltering almost immediately. Ice Beam hits ridiculously hard too. It's even more reliable at spreading paralysis because it doesn't have to rely on a 30% and it's not like any ground types want to switch into IB anyway

Its okay lax, you're still my spirit pokemon

On a side note, Snorlax is one of the most threatening pokemon to face in Emerald's Battle frontier. This is mostly due to the 3v3 format.

To be fair, Normal-type offense in general is pretty bad in ADV OU. Snorlax, Tauros, Dodrio, Ursaring, Slaking, Swellow, etc. all suffer from the same problem of being unable to consistently dish out damage when stuff like Tyranitar, Gengar, Skarmory, etc. can easily stomach a hit and take back momentum. Yes I'm aware you can slap a coverage move to try and bypass these checks, but a savvy player can easily dance around this to get set up opportunities. Again, Gengar and Skarmory don't care about a Normal type STAB and Earthquake. This is why teams that rely on a physical attacking Normal type is commonly paired with Magneton or a pursuit user like Tyranitar or Houndoom in order to punch holes to compensate for how inherently flawed Normal type offense is. But by that point, why not just drop the Normal type offense in favor of generally more consistent Pokémon like Salamence or Metagross?

Snorlax is good tank just ignore that it is crippled by non poison status, it can’t recover hp in sand, isnt immune to spikes, bullied by gengar, cant touch Skarmory, and is basically set up fodder for bulky ddance ttar/mence sets without self destructing if its not at full Hp.

In one of your other videos from a decent bit ago you said smth abt clef being used in gen 5 now and I think a video on that would be cool

You think it will drop from OU in the future?

As someone who has been playing almost exclusively GSC for the past few weeks, I take great pleasure in the fall of Snorlax. Even though I also use Snorlax since it’s mandatory.

I’ve always felt that Snorlax was really exploitable. Idk, I haven’t seen it do much that other things can’t do better, and this video really says what I’ve wanted to say. If I want a hard hitting Boom, I’d rather go Gross because it can actually have longevity in Sandstorm and its stab isn’t walled by Gengar. Hell, I’d use Regirock for that role over Lax personally (if I want a second explosion alongside Metagross)

If gross can remove skarmory with explosion, STAB self destruct from lax can do the same. Sounds like a valuable niche, even if not as good as metagross overall.

Snorlax just really needs to have Slack Off and I don’t know why it never has

meanwhile i’m running mono beserker gene explosion in gen 2

Snorlax getting bullied by Zapdos Tbolt 2 games in a row was pretty funny

Question: in the first on screen game between mikmer and BIHI Gregson, how did the game end in a tie ? From what I know/researched, the trainer whose pokemon faints last wins. And a pokemon who uses explosion (Claydol) faints first and the target (suicune) second. Shouldn't mikmer have won ?

BKC 2 years ago: The decline of Snorlax in ADV OU BKC now: Snorlax is terrible in ADV OU

Can I request a early gen Zapdos video? Gens 1-4? What makes it so dominant in so many different formats?

What's the most viable ADV OU team that could be made that packs 6 explosions/self-destructs?

You're probably right, but big boi will always be my preferred special wall in gen 3. Blissey drives me nuts to fight against and to use, and lax has some neat coverage. Anyway, like the gen 3 streak lately, keep up the good work

I decided to take another look at an old Snorlax team I had, and after a few adjustments I've been really happy with it. Hariyama Snorlax Umbreon Salamence Forretress Ludicolo I think lax/hari are nice partners on these bulky teams since hari makes progress by taking items which helps lax's progress stick. Wish support from mence/Umbreon helps keep them both healthy enough throughout the game. They also appreciate Umbreon trapping Gengar and/or burning it 75% of the time with synchronize even if umb doesn't get the ko. W/o gar, forre has a real shot at winning the spikes war vs a lot of teams. Forre also does a great job making sure Metagross doesn't just run the team over. Ludi is a nice check to pert/meta if needed and does solid chip/healing with leech seed. Plus it can sweep with rain if blissey is gone. The removal of sand, spikes, gar, and skarm's item is stuff that the team does naturally, so lax finds itself in a pretty good environment to just do what it does. I honestly like this team with utility lax or curse lax since curse gives you late game pressure and can break some important holes mid game. Utility lax of course loves the support and forces a ton of mons to take damage after losing lefties. Wish on these teams is so awesome cuz you usually keep 2+ mons for death fodder after they get really low. If this happens, you can toss up a wish, sac 1 mon, then bring in the other low health Mon to get the wish (gen 3 wish mechanics baby!!!). This is super nice for trying to setup ludi or curselax sweeps late since they can hit their checks earlier and go for it again even after getting knocked low. I only put this whole essay here cuz BKC mentioned looking for new teams to put lax on and these balance teams without a dedicated trapper are an unusual place to find Snorlax.

Totally agree and it’s still my favourite gen 3 pokemon besides metagross

BKC the man on the grind delivering hard. Love it

I'm actually finding success using CB snorlax in a mixed offense magneton rain team. Snorlax, Zapdos, Metagross, Kingdra, Kabutops and Magneton Believe it or not, Kabutops can bait, outspeed (in the rain) and OHKO Dugtrio with the right set.

"Take me down to hot take city, where tiers are lame and Gosling's pretty!" BKC, probably.

Didnt you already make this video a few years ago?

Where can I see the percentage usage of Pokemon?

Is the tldr snorlax isnt amazing but it has its moments, still like top 15 ou?

I did a curse set with lax one game. Got plus 6 and didn’t ohko whatever happened to be in front of me and I never did it again.

I'm kinda surprised ttar only has like 55% usage, since it's so much of the face of adv ou. Why do you think it's not the GSC Snorlax of adv?

I think the reason Lax used to be held in such high regard in Gen 3 is because people just assumed that since it was the God-Emperor of GSC OU that would carry over.

if anyone wants snorlax to work, don't worry - he's actually pretty good in ubers, where theres less tss and more fishing for para, which snorlax is obviously great at

I think where lax really shines is in draft league, because there it'll only be dealing with sand for one or two games, you can use the normally not great spinners a lot more effectively, and in general the lower power level makes it hard to kill. I used it in a draft league alongside armaldo and sandslash for hazard removal and curse sets could snowball out of control quickly. It's a much better mon when it's not getting chipped by anything, with it several times winning after tanking hits it wouldn't have survived if the usual chip factors were in play, such as camerupt explosion with+1 defense and band Hitmonlee brick break with +2 defense.

Counterpoint: Your profile picture is a Blaziken

I literally just finished the older Snorlax in gen 3 video, refresh my homepage, and this is freshly uploaded. I'm feasting on anti-Snorlax propaganda this morning.

My team isn't BUILT around helping lax, it just so happens to do so! (It's terrible; snorlax is the only redeeming quality. But it'd still kinda work without it!)

we’re the gen 3 usage stats always this high for the top 5? i started following competitive channels around mid gen 7 and to see a mon with over 40% usage would be considering insane by the player base. in gen 3, 3 pokemon have 40%+ and even 50%+ usage

Fighting-types became much more of a threat this Generation, what with Focus Punch being a fairly common move, along with Reversal and even Brick Break; Snorlax no longer has effectively zero weaknesses, like he did in RBY and GSC. His lack of speed means he might have to take two hits, and EVs replacing stat Exp. prevents him from having perfect bulk - and Normal STAB isn't as good as it once was, with common Steel-types Skarmory and Metagross and Jirachi, and Rock-type Tyranitar, resisting it. He doesn't have Lovely Kiss anymore, either. Gengar is a decent counter, too, now being immune to both Body Slam and Earthquake thanks to Levitate, forcing Snorlax to use Shadow Ball to get past him - which means missing out on a more useful move, like Sleep Talk or Belly Drum. Oh, and Sleep Talk can no longer chain Rests, so if Snorlax is running Rest Talk that's a definite nerf from GSC. Choice Band is also detrimental, powering up attacks that target his lower Defence, which in addition to the lack of stat Exp means he'll be taking a lot more damage than before.

Its pretty horrible in Gen 4 OU too. It deffintly can be reallt threeating but it needs to much setup to ever hope to beat Hippowdon or Skarmory. Its also so weak trick and encore and it isnt even that bulky if it isnt holding leftovers thank to rocks, sandatorms everywhere, and lack of resitances

Didn’t snorlax come out as gay

How the mighty have fallen

Out of curiosity, how would a team of t tar, skarmory, Metagross, Zapdos, Gengar, and Swampert perform in OU?

I WTF'd so hard when I read this title.. then noticed you said 3 instead of 2, and all was right with the world. But yeah, it's hard to think of anything that was nerfed hard the switch from DVs to IVs, and by changes to rest talk mechanics.

Since this video is about Snorlax's viability in ADV OU. Can I get a second opinion on my team? I'm new to ADV, so I just slapped a team together using forums and BKC videos. Salamence @ Choice Band Ability: Intimidate EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant Nature - Hidden Power [Flying] - Earthquake - Brick Break - Rock Slide Metagross @ Choice Band Ability: Clear Body EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe Adamant Nature - Meteor Mash - Explosion - Earthquake - Rock Slide Tyranitar @ Lum Berry Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Rock Slide - Earthquake - Hidden Power [Bug] - Dragon Dance Magneton @ Magnet Ability: Magnet Pull EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA - Thunderbolt - Hidden Power [Grass] - Thunder Wave - Toxic Snorlax @ Leftovers Ability: Immunity EVs: 40 HP / 136 Atk / 144 Def / 176 SpD / 12 Spe Adamant Nature - Body Slam - Self-Destruct - Earthquake - Shadow Ball Starmie @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Cure EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Hydro Pump - Thunderbolt - Ice Beam - Rapid Spin The team has worked okay for me, am currently at around 1300. The games I've lost have rarely been because of the team itself, but instead of a mistake I made. I was considering using agility Metagross and Bulky T-Tar to give the team more options. I rarely use spin on Starmie, so I might add recover. I have never clicked toxic on Mag, so that definitely has to go. Any criticism is welcome, I want to improve my team.

I think it is that Snorlax is strong but the set up for it is really hard to do and requires a specific team.

now lets get to the saucy stuff, what if snorlax had slack off in gen 3 and after?

I really like lead physdefish lax w curse fp eq boom. Can almost always get 1 for 1 and usually more.

I like running counter on snorlax. It takes out metagross and ttar. Then you can boom.

Arctic's hilda sprite is her sygna suit ex style from masters. Man's got taste

Snorlax had a huge presence at 2006 Nationals.

Snorlax will remain great in my heart

As a major lover of snorlax i agree its literally just slightly above useless in adv..gen 1 and 2 its great and later on its great in trick room but not here lol

many modern mag physical offense now rolls up with celebi instead (think you've done that as well) bc without skarm celebi leech seed seems like the free-est progress maker ever and it has instant recover i like milotic on these teams but the only good teams i see with this structure is sd pass, always love what goes on in the intricacies of this "old" metagame 🎉

Probably off-topic, but some time ago I made a gen 3 rom hack where Snorlax gets Slack Off. I wonder how that'd affect competitive in the face of these issues

I mean it's still highly played since many offensive teams are in the need of a pokémon that can tale hit well.

I have tried using Snorlax and alot of times it causes more headaches that it solves in my view(I'm a noob tho)

Don't have to support a lax if you just boom the second your focus punch doesnt connect 😂

…So Kevin is bringing curse lax to the next tourney game

I think snorlax in adv ou could easily have made fsg's "top 5 pokes that fell off in singles"

That focus punch Charizard is a gangster 😎 👌.

How the mighty has fallen. Anyways L + ratio + Regice the goat + Porygon2 sweep

so with 3 of the top 5 mons being easily sniped by magneton and dugtrio, are “double trapping” teams competitive from an anti-meta perspective?

I like snorlax tangentially because I like Armaldo.

BKC giving in to the algorithm strategies noooooo

Yawn rest amnesia body slam is a solid set online in let’s go. Great for hard countering most special mons. And until you reveal you’re not getting statuses due to fear of facade.

Bummer

Hi.

more gen 3 backport mons WHEN Would Vire actually work as intended????? 👀

The real truth: BKC just struggles against opposing snorlax and is making propaganda to see less of it

Lax definitely isn’t what it was but it still has value on the right team imo

I mean after two generations in a row at the absolute top, I'm not crying for Snorlax no longer dominating the game LOL

Lax is the hardest mu fish Mon in the OU tier

i usually just boom it

Its time for choice band Snorlax 252 atk 252 speed adamant

Is this video a joke? An AF joke posted 12 days early? Or is this some Berenstein universe I was suddenly sent in? Is this a dream? Because this seems really flat earth to me. People actually used Snorlax in actual Generation 3 championships in real life official tournaments. It was in many teams. There is even a tournament final battle with Hulk Hogan commentating on KZfaq and Snorlax was in both teams.

Yes snorlax is dog water it is weak to skarm and to blissey answers while also being horrible vs sand and spikes.

*swaps to Gengar* Haha Snorsnor go boom

I live for BKC Snorlax slander

lax is bad on dpp but in adv is still good on ou and better in ubers

The REAL use for Snorlax is Choice Band Self-Destruct

So many creators with scripted videos aren't capable of communicating details as BKC. Kevin you should actually be put into the games as a professor 😂

Boom + lick is illegal, fun: canceled.

Bad semicolon usage farms algorithm boosts from fools like me

didnt u already make this video? oh well, more sleep aide.

L

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In my opinion, your videos would benefit from a script and less rambling. You have the right information you're just so bad at presenting it. Much love xoxo

youre terrible in gen 3 competitive pokemon

Bro whut

I listen to KZfaq in the background and bkc vids are now in my algorithm... That's a win. 🥲