Bob Boi Thanks! You are absolutely right!

Those are shit, try hakka r2. Evry car will climb up that hill...

Mr I have seen the new vid of @Tyre Reviews too.:) Nokian Hakka R2/R3 are not available in the size I need for my car. Besides I have to buy tires, which are recommended by BMW (the same at Audi, Mercedes, Porsche,...), otherwise I get problems with warranty/accommodation.

@@CARSEXTREM i see, but do you use those tires like all season or you change to summer tires to?

Mr For summer I have an own set of rims with summer tires.

Bubba Farmer You can see the tires at: 4:55

ianrkav Yes, you are right. On this icy driveway chains would certainly help. Thanks for the advice.👍 I‘m going to buy one for the next onset of winter and will make a video of it.

@@CARSEXTREM Also, would turning dsc on once you are moving help? I understand turning it off when stuck to help get rolling without dsc killing the power but once you are rolling might it help? Check out this vid with Tiff Needell. In one section he goes up a 10% ice covered incline, half as steep as yours, with dsc on with just a fwd jag. That bit starts at 4:40 mark. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbhhhrap1bHNpHk.html

ianrkav When he turns traction control on, he takes a lot of momentum and gets up the hill, but he also gets slower and slower as fare he goes up the slope. If the slope would be longer or/and steeper, in my opinion he wouldn’t make it. Why he didn’t show traction control working from a standstill short before the slope like he did without traction control? Exactly this is my problem. My driveway starts with a 90 degree curve before the slope. I need to drive very slow, otherwise the car understeer and I would drive into the driveway lamps. So I cannot take any momentum up the incline. I need to dig through the snow from the beginning to get somehow momentum and up the hill. With traction control this is not possible. Do you know my Side by Side Video DSC on vs off: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f5ZzlJeYyM_Hcqs.html If I turn DSC back on in the moment, when I have a bit traction? 🤔I think my driveway is too steep for traction control. Up to a certain point traction control can help in normal road traffic with slight incline, but in my case I think traction control would reduce power that much, so that I get stuck immediately again. But I’m gone try it next time and make video of it. Thanks for your suggestion!

@@CARSEXTREM You're welcome, and I do believe you are correct. It was only a 10% short straight incline and not the 20% curved one you were dealing with. Also, the points you raise are valid and I thought the same too. He did seem to take a much longer faster run at it with dsc on than he did with it off, and if it had been longer he would have eventually came to a halt! I would have liked to see him start from a standstill with it on too:-) The technique I mention does seem to work in normal traffic as you say as I have done it myself. A little bit of snow with ice underneath and I couldn't get moving, turned dsc off and I dug out a bit of traction and got rolling but was fish tailing a bit, turned dsc back on and that settled down and kept me rolling along nicely. Incline was only about 1%. Anyway good video. It was interesting to see there was no real difference between the older and newer manual cars.

ianrkav Thank you for the nice conversation and your experience report! 😃👍

Clint Lundie Yes, but sadly studded tires are not allowed in Germany.

Alexdj44 Thank you for your feedback!:)

@@CARSEXTREM kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbeopbt5ycfQdWw.html You can see the differences of tyre on ice.If you want :)

Alexdj44 I have already seen the new vid of @Tyre Reviews.:) Sadly Nokian Hakka R2/R3 are not available in the size I need for my car. Besides I have to buy tires, which are recommended by BMW (the same at Audi, Mercedes, Porsche,...), otherwise I get problems with warranty/accommodation.

alex89bmw If you have DSC deactivated AWD is going to be distributed 50/50 (on X3 E83 and X3 F25, on some BMWs like the X6 E71: 40/60 front/rear). BMWs have an electronically middle differential so that the 50/50 distribution is possible. But BMW has no front and rear differential, so that both wheels on each axle are spinning always the same. This means, that sometimes only one wheel per axle is spinning. This is, what you are seeing in the video. In this cases BMW‘s xDrive try to brake the spinning wheel electronically to get the other wheel back spinning again. With an an mechanical front and rear differential you wouldn‘t have this situation, that sometimes one wheel is not spinning, but on the other side you also wouldn‘t get the great driving performance on dry and wet roads, which BMW‘s are known for. I hope this explanation helps you a little bit.:)

Cars, thanks for such a great explanation 🙏. I'm having this strange vibrations and difficulties when driving slowly and turning (for example on a parking lot, when you drive in 1st gear), and while accelerating feels like something is holding back (like brakes maybe), however this stops when DSC is turned OFF.. Do you have any idea why and how this might be related to DSC (or ABS maybe)... 😀

alex89bmw You are welcome!:) Do you have a BMW X3 E83 (2003-2010)? Than it is probably the transfer case. This is a vulnerability of the E83. First try to change the oil of the transfer case. It costs you around 100 Euro and often it helps. If this shouldn’t solve the problem, the transfer case is damaged or broken. Sometimes only the actuator motor gear of the transfer case is worn. It is made of plastic, which wears with time. The part costs only a few Euro, but it needs time to get switched. In the worst case the hole transfer case is broken. Than it costs around 2500 Euro (parts and labor). I would switch the transfer case oil as soon as possible. Hopefully that helps. Search on youtube for „BMW X3 E83 transfer case“. People made a lot of good videos, how to repair it.

@@CARSEXTREM ок но п юли

Cheryl Houghton It is the question if they had ice underneath the snow like in my video. Pure powder snow is no problem also at 20 inches. The ice is the problem.

Roman Istomin No, winter tires are mounted. Take a look at 4:55 in the video.

J C You can store the tires at your BMW Dealer, if you do not have the space at home.

Yes

You have to see it that way: I‘m thankful for the watchtime!:)

tinofromberlin Exactly! If you do not have studded tires on ice, you have no chance, no matter which car you are driving.

My Jeep Cherokee Liberty 3.7 will pass from here without a problem

😂👍

Antares Take a look at 4:55. There you can see the winter tires. Yes, it was ice underneath.

Benjamin Freeman Almost all BMWs have a more weight in the back, than in the front. 2004 X3 3.0d E83: in the front 1150 kg and in the back 1260 kg. 2017 X3 xDrive20d F25: in the front 1080 kg and in the back 1305 kg. But I‘m gone try it. Thanks for your advice.

Its really hard to steer in reverse on ice. But it is easier going back down if you fail.

Artan Pepushaj 4:55

YoKoDzUnA No, winter tires. Take a look at 4:55. I have heard, that Nokians are very good tires, but I only buy tires, which are recommended of BMW because of warranty and accommodation.

@@CARSEXTREM bad result because the tires are without studs. I use studded tires, I like it. but I live in Russia, here they are allowed ))

As far as I know are winter tires better in snow than ATs. I have a set of ATs for the E83 (Cooper Discoverer Sport), but they were not that great in snow.

Nostric Unfortunately studded tires are forbidden in Germany.

Riku Perry The problem is the 90 degree curve before the slope. I need to drive very slow, otherwise the car understeer and I would drive into the driveway lamps. So I cannot take any momentum up the incline. But than I need to accelerate, to get a bit momentum on the flatter space on the beginning of the slope, otherwise i would come immediately to a standstill, which is the case with activated DSC. Furthermore the steepest part of the incline is the end. I tried to drive very slow, but than the car doesn’t move a bit and even slides backwards, because of the ice underneath. If you take a look at the video, every time I push the pedal, the car digs through the snow and moves a bit.

Шипы не разрешены в центральной Европе и в Америке так что эксперимент не может считаться проваленным.

@@roheko5798 Я в курсе. Как бы там ни было, на такой резине встрянешь в любом снежном месте. Смысла ехать и перегревать автомат с раздаткой не было никакого, но у автора снег в голове в место мозга. Это надо было додуматься тестировать на городской резине, городской автомобиль в сугробах.

Studded tires are not allowed in Germany

Give this man a tank he would still not pass 😂

eddi4x4 Studded tires are not allowed in Germany.

@@CARSEXTREM а какое обоснование у правительства?

eddi4x4 It damages the pavement surface too much.

@@CARSEXTREM я всегда думал что вес автомобиля разрушает дорогу. Например лендкрузер 200 на не шипованой резине или пежо 206 на шипах

@@CARSEXTREM не о тротуаре надо думать.....

Mit Gewalt geht alles!😜😁

Baca Bimbol 😂👍

Jim Jams I wouldn‘t say so. Despite of the bigger and wider wheels on the F25, the cars get almost equally far up the hill. If there wouldn’t be ice underneath the snow, the difference should be more significant.

4:58 both are equipped with winter tyres.

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I have got both of them, x3 2017 and panda 2005, in this condition I m used to drive panda. 2 tons car are not good for those roads

Zane Henderson I try to get an Audi for comparison, but it is difficult to get one, when it is actually snowing.

gucci mucci 300 km/h are possible with an Audi RS6, but this car is too expensive for me.:) But I do not think, that is good off-road.

Fane Muntean I think all german cars are more or less the same

Eddie Michael With ice underneath only studded tires would help, but sadly it is not allowed in Germany.

Georg Friedrich Hendl These are surely great cars for off-road and daily driving, but if you also want to drive easily 200 km/h+ on Autobahn, they are not the right choice in my opinion.

thetoughcookie These are the wheels, which you get from BMW out of factory.

Dad & Me Vi bllo Sadly studded tires are not allowed in Germany. The problem is the 90 degree curve before the slope. I need to drive very slow, otherwise the car understeer and I would drive into the driveway lamps. So I cannot take any momentum up the incline. Furthermore the steepest part of the incline is the end. I tried to drive very slow, but than the car doesn’t move a bit and even slides backwards, because of the ice underneath. If you take a look at the video, every time I push the pedal, the car digs through the snow and moves a bit.

tomas ZARUBA Why?

Doesn't matter in those conditions. Get real!

Benjamin Bischoff Was daran genau is unrealistisch und was hätte ich besser machen sollen?

@@CARSEXTREM Fahrzeug vorsichtig runter rollen lassen eine Spur wählen wo frisch Schnee drauf ist, DSC an und langsam rauf fahren ggf bei Automatik sogar nur mit standgas hoch. So wie auf dem Video ist klar dass das nichts wird.

Benjamin Bischoff Hab ich auch schon versucht. Bei wenig Schnee (5-10cm) funktioniert das. Aber ab 15 cm und mehr drehen so nur die Räder langsam im Stand durch. Und wenn ich es doch ein Stück den Hügel hoch schaffe, bin ich wegen dem Eis rückwärts unkontrolliert den Hang runter gerutscht, da ich keine Blockade vom Schnee mehr hinter den Reifen hatte, welche man durch das durchdrehen der Reifen aufbaut. Langsam mit Standgas hoch kann man bei einem Untergrund machen, auf dem man teilweise Grip aufbauen kann. DSC an vs aus hab ich auch ein Video gemacht: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f5ZzlJeYyM_Hcqs.html Sobald der nächste Schnee kommt, werde ich ein Video machen, in dem ich so versuche, wie du sagst.

daczkes I think all german cars are more or less the same.

Александр Вагнер No, these are Central European winter tires. Take a look at 4:55.

SLAM 😂👍

Chris T 2 minutes more watchtime and you would have seen, that maybe one car made it up the hill!:)

CARS EXTREM haha...indeed! Some people have an attention span of a gold fish! lol

Chris T 😂😂😂👍

Zenchilli In my opinion all german AWD-systems work pretty similar. They send power to wheel with the most grip. Some are more rear wheel biased, some more front wheel biased. Some have diff in the rear to send different power between the rear wheels. At some cars ESC and traction control are more aggressive intervening or it is not able to deactivate it completely. I‘m really not an expert, but I have driven almost alle brands in winter and the all feel pretty much the same. BMW and Porsche are more oversteering in snow. Audi, VW and Mercedes are more neutral understeering. At the end the tires decided, how far along I came.

reid marchand A truck is much heavier. I do not know, if it would be much easier with it.

@@CARSEXTREM The clearance off the snow may give an edge. I drive a 2011 x3 35i. This is my first winter and it feels great so far in the snow, cant wait for more snow challenges to test it

reid marchand Clearance is a important point, you are right. X3 in general is a great car in snow. On snowy mountain roads I never had any problems. Only on my steep driveway the car struggles.The problem is the 90 degree curve before the slope. I need to drive very slow, otherwise the car understeer and I would drive into the driveway lamps. So I cannot take any momentum up the incline. Furthermore the steepest part of the incline is the end. In my opinion even special offroad cars would have a hard time going up there.

Sanel Šabanovič German car manufacturer are more or less the same in my opinion. They are all great cars.

@@CARSEXTREM The best AWD drive comes from AUDI engenirs. Even if Audi is a part of VW groop they hawe 3 diferent AWD sistems. VW 4-motion, Audi Quatro, Porsche 4X4, the Scoda and Seat use 4-motion but one generation older sistem than build in VW models. The only bether AWD drive in my opinion is Subarus.

Sanel Šabanovič But they all work pretty similar or not? They send power to wheel with the most grip. Some are more rear wheel biased, some more front wheel biased. Some have diff in the rear to send different power between the rear wheels. At some cars ESC and traction control are more aggressive intervening or it is not able to deactivate it completely. I‘m really not an expert, but I have driven almost alle brands in winter and the all feel pretty much the same. BMW and Porsche are more oversteering in snow. Audi, VW and Mercedes are more neutral understeering. At the end the tires decided, how far along I came.

@@CARSEXTREM Yes i agre. Some times the tyers and driving skill brings the diference. My Porsche has normal rear whel drive but when the rear tyers spin the transfer box sends power to front wheals. Just a month ago we did a test. My Cayenne Turbo/Techart Magnum 550hp 2005 year model VS Dodge RAM 1500 Mopar 400hp+ 2018. We hooked up the cars on gravel road and tested who will win in thug of war. Dodge was spining the all 4 wheals stedy. Porsche put more power to back whels. Even on gravel i hawe made smoke cloud when i poled that RAM. My friends hawe all sort of diferent AWD cars. Subaru is fucking crazy. AUDI is second to that all other ehhh... Close but way out of those to leage.

Sanel Šabanovič Porsche Cayenne has not all the time AWD? I‘m thinking about trading my 2004 X3 for a 2002-2006 Porsche Cayenne S. Preferably with manual transmission, but they are really rear. Are you happy with your Cayenne? Does it have any problems? I have heard the air suspension could be a problem?

The L3 -Love,live ,Lift What should I have done better?

Alan Sawyer What should I have done better?

Александр Зубакин Grey car old, white car new.:)

та ты тоже гумно

andrey ermakov Winter tires are mounted: 4:55

Afshin What should I have done better?

@@CARSEXTREM You have used two driving styles for two different cars, two different sets of tires too, basically the comparison was not effective. I appreciate you spent a lot time on creating this video but on my end I wanted to learn about these two vehicles in a fair comparison, which it did not happen.

Afshin I drove both cars the same way, which I drive them in these conditions every time. Please tell me, which I made different? I bought the winter tires at my BMW dealer, which are recommended for each car with the „*“ symbol, so that I‘m on the save side in case of a warranty/accommodation issues. So I‘m not able to buy same tires for both cars, if I do not want to get in trouble in case of a technical failure. Also same size is not possible, because than one of each cars wouldn‘t be street legal anymore. Both are equipped with different tire sizes from factory. I drove both cars how they are equipped from factory.