SNTS study: How to make banging industrial techno drums

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Here is a study on how to make banging, relentless techno drums like SNTS.
The key to this style is heavyhanded bus processing with Soundtoys Decapitator VST, some carefully crafted rumble layers, some foley rhythmic layers, and overall finding the sweet spot between "broken overdriven sounds" and "clean tightly controlled sounds".
Judge the result for yourself. We use Ableton Live 10 for this, and some simple VSTs like D16 Decimort, Decapitator, and Camelcrusher. Everything else is pretty standard DAW functionality.
Content:
0:00 Example of what we'll make
0:28 Talking about SNTS
1:16 Important message :)
1:29 Simple overview and global settings
2:05 Just the drums, with decapitator
3:29 The rumble design
5:36 The drum bus FX
9:57 A note on "fake loudness"
10:33 A note about dynamic range
12:24 The foley groove group
16:24 The hihat group
17:10 A love letter to D16 Decimort
19:47 Next steps in this study
The full SNTS study saga:
Part 1: SNTS-style drums: • SNTS study: How to mak...
Part 2: Arranging an SNTS-style track: • SNTS study: Arranging ...
Part 3: SNTS study part 3: polishing & finishing: • SNTS study part 3: pol...
The final track for free on soundcloud: / iconograph
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@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

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@michaelkonomos Жыл бұрын

I love this. I don't really listen to techno, I'm more into industrial and ambient, but I still found SO much of this to be insanely helpful. Your approach to music itself, being thoughtful about the relationship between the parts - this is lo-fi so let the hats anchor it - it's really universally applicable in any kind of electronic music.

@bobmoegrabi 3 жыл бұрын

I for one would love to see a Dax J study : )

@valleseven5110 2 жыл бұрын

Me too 😎

@nicolaistolwijk 2 жыл бұрын

He could be a conservatory teacher

@hostage_dystopian 2 жыл бұрын

dax j drums are a mixture between snts and kobosil

@tommyheron464 2 жыл бұрын

I've heard of D Jax. Maybe I read it wrong. Lol.

@dariomurrud_m 3 жыл бұрын

Waw, your tuttorials and the way you explain them with such passion and details, are totally a blessing! Thank you sososo damn much! 🙏

@batteryincorporated 3 жыл бұрын

Almost 1500 subs well deserved! Quality content this channel bout to blow up!!!!

@sacrifice5703 Жыл бұрын

Thanks dude! What a great informative session. Appreciate the time and effort you put into these instructionals. It is most appreciated.

@hallohierbenikweer 3 жыл бұрын

Really love this format where you study the sound of an artist in depth over multiple videos. Good channel man. Really interested in more industrial stuff! The producer deep dive looks interesting as well!

@yoratman3019 3 жыл бұрын

Hands down best teacher of those topics on youtube I have run into and I have seen quite alot ever since I took up producing. All the best and will looking forward on more techno lessons : )

@LondraCalibro9 3 жыл бұрын

regardless of what genre you produce, these tutorials are amazing - really beautifully presented, well explained and incredibly useful - respect

@degla232 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for showing me SNTS im mind blown. His hypnotic sets are out of this world

@bonbondolly 3 жыл бұрын

Great! My favorite genre ever since the 90s! How I miss those days' crazy underground parties at weird locations... I always called this 'gallophouse', for lack of a better word. I love your channel and what you're doing for today's dance-community with your tutorials. Brilliant.

@grish1u927 2 жыл бұрын

So glad you mentioned Julien, his and your channels are really valuable for learning production.

@fillthepill7236 2 жыл бұрын

You are literally the best KZfaq out here making techno tutorials. Literally just thinking about signing up to underdog BC I bet I can learn so much from such an easy videoformat with well explained parts. I just don't do as on the screen but I understand how and why as well! Keep up the awesome work!

@ReeseEngineer666 Жыл бұрын

At the second you showed the decapatator my mouth literally fell open. you have no idea how much you just helped me out

@metanic3177 Жыл бұрын

Love this tutorial! Everything is very well explained. Much appreciated!

@stanabosic8845 3 жыл бұрын

Waited for one like this great processing 😍😀🙌

@alekogvaramia7828 2 жыл бұрын

The best tutorials around... Way you explain things is just great! Just watching new tutorials everywhere to find something new but here i'm learning A LOT instead. Thanks

@OscarUnderdog 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 💚🙏

@PseudoPulse 3 жыл бұрын

Once again, a great style to cover. There arent enough people breaking down the more underground styles of techno. Keep content like this coming. Thank you

@XnazxulX Жыл бұрын

Lol you did get me to buy Decapitator. i have been looking into it but after this video.. it sealed the deal

@rayzo1534 3 жыл бұрын

As soon as i heard the beginning of this video I got goosebumps faaaaakin noice thanks a lot!

@sound-engineer 2 жыл бұрын

Well, this a tutorial i have been looking for a long time. You got my subscription.

@robertroxxor 3 жыл бұрын

whow this was educating. love the sound, exactly my kind.

@lackofaffektmusic 3 жыл бұрын

Love the way you break things down in your videos, very easy to understand! Now youve given me some good ideas to go try out :) thanks!

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks LOA, feel free to share the result if you do!

@captainbleep 3 жыл бұрын

True fact: I was going to buy the Soundtoys bundle today *anyway.* :) Great video. Super clear explanation of your process.

@DaftFader 3 жыл бұрын

It's such a good set of plugins. From a basic effects stance you have all bases covered. They are super high quality with a great "Sound Toy's signature sound" to them. You allso have some more uncommon effects like tape delay, the double filter and some others what can bring some more unique sounds to your music. The thing I love most about them, every single one of their plugins, even their more standard effects have at least one or two really unusual peramiters to play with that you'll struggle to find anywhere else on the same effect type, at least not as a single button or knob if you can find something else that does it at all. They really do make for some novel results.

@DN4E Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, now I feel like I need to get every plugin you used. Lovely video, I've been going back to your older stuff and I just keep learning so much.

@matienazemy1382 Жыл бұрын

dude thank you so much! I learn a lot from these videos.

@jeeeeeek 3 жыл бұрын

Best tutorial about subject. Thanks!! 🙏

@geryverlinden6843 3 жыл бұрын

Wow ! you nailed it Oscar ! punish mode = relentless !

@charlesbronson2806 3 жыл бұрын

Just found your channel man. Right up my alley. Keep coming with the techno stuff. Subscribed👊

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Tomorrow's gonna be a big one then 😁

@josevelez2514 3 жыл бұрын

Lo key

@sawe100 3 жыл бұрын

You read my mind. I wanted to post on Reddit how to make snts kick and first post was from you. 🖤🙏🙏

@paulstephenson3867 3 жыл бұрын

Love your work!! Thank you!!

@AntonBanks 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I'm a relative novice to Ableton. This video definitely expanded my understanding of how to produce a drum section. Thanks!

@DielectricFailure 9 ай бұрын

Damn man!!!!! I’m so happy to see you make this video. I love industrial but within the past few months… I’ve discovered EBM and now I’m loving this new genre. *Please start tutorials on EBM music.* I’m sure it’ll do good. Your tutorial vids are king!

@Flamieee1 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for these insights. Really helpfull!

@theinfideluk 3 жыл бұрын

Really enjoying your content dude, respect from Scotland

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers! ☺

@karinamedvetska Жыл бұрын

god bless you for these amazing videos🩶

@jankalinowski6767 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Please! More about this sounds!

@thiasusofficial4785 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome, im excited to watch it later :D

@pfhrmb 3 жыл бұрын

Insane tutorial. Mad props

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

niiiice

@cto3262 3 жыл бұрын

Broooooo I've been waiting for this kind of content !!! Thank youuu. Also, I saw SNTS live in Geneva and in Berlin st Synoid. Was unreal !!!! Going to see him at Voltage Festival 2021 after so many months without real partying

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

I feel this

@franckiedeboeur9840 3 жыл бұрын

Was At Voltage last sunday and i'm positive, it was pure madness! :)

@cto3262 3 жыл бұрын

@@franckiedeboeur9840 Dude same it was insane. 9x9 and AnD played so well too.

@Saw2F2 2 жыл бұрын

Very simple - but it does the job. Thank You for this tuts! ;)

@microwave2240 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot I like the first eq on the kickgroup which cuts of the highs, so there is sapce for all the distortion nice tutorial man

@constanzab1211 3 жыл бұрын

All what i needed

@DjLamech 3 жыл бұрын

Hey man I'm glad I found your page. Thanks for your classes I'm thinking about joining one of your sessions im finishing up another class right now but I will definitely be checking you out getting into Ableton like never before thanks a million for the insight!!!

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Oladj! 😁

@francoisc4512 Жыл бұрын

Merci pour cette vidéo. TRÈS INTÉRESSANTE, plusieurs techniques que je vais appliquer d'ici peu.

@addictedtocraic 3 жыл бұрын

Just stumbled across this channel. Absolutely superb mate. Great examples and beautifully explained even for experienced producers. (Y)

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

So nice to read :) cheers!

@Animaniac-vd5st 3 жыл бұрын

As an older 'electro-goth', i feel like so much of the older industrial works (from Elsplendor Geometrico to Imminent Starvation) could also benefit from your style of dissection. Great to see how "the saussage is made"

@stephenroldan5107 2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@keithforrester82 3 жыл бұрын

Another really cool video.

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Another really cool comment right here

@rawad13 Жыл бұрын

Big fan of your videos! And i bought the decapitator hahah!

@mezsound741 2 жыл бұрын

Great channel

@dimitriosantoniadis7722 3 жыл бұрын

Good stuff. For those interested, you can get similar effects with a saturator driving into a compressor (if you don't wanna buy decapitator lol).

@stjezabels5335 2 жыл бұрын

when you say driving into a compressor do you mean as well as a compressor?

@dimitriosantoniadis7722 2 жыл бұрын

@@stjezabels5335 Basically, put a saturator/overdrive/distortion/whatever in your effect chain earlier in your effect chain, and put a compressor later in your effect chain

@dimitriosantoniadis7722 2 жыл бұрын

i.e Synth --> Camelcrush --> Compressor

@bascurtiz 3 жыл бұрын

I come from a graphical background, and I defo see/hear the correlation between contrasts visually and audible. Like u make me aware of how the fresh hats are in contrast with the dark fuzz of the beat and how it lifts it up and even accentuates.

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you feel the same! I think once you go deep enough into any discipline and understand the concepts, suddenly you see those concepts manifested in everything, in all disciplines, it's wild 😊

@ELLIOT8209 3 жыл бұрын

@@OscarUnderdog I tried my best to understand iLok and it works with plugins until I decided to give soundtoys products a miss. Please do a precise video on how to install and activate iLok connected products.

@Robin-nm5me Жыл бұрын

haha you definitely sold me on that decapitator !!!

@blackdisko7400 3 жыл бұрын

Well done! Thanx!

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Disko :D

@mcod99 3 жыл бұрын

great video!

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Simon!

@georgegyulatyan3263 2 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@GrumpyGr3g 3 жыл бұрын

I tried this kind of kick but with extra dynamic, not so squashed, and this sounds way more powerful compared at the same perceived volume that a super compressed thing. Kicks just got bigger impact and have a real punch that contrast with the rumble. Just a matter of taste tho, but always good to share to people that feel curious and want to try at least one to compare. Take time to get the right dynamic, but this really sounds good in both way. And even on hard music, I like to get dynamic things even tho I need to turn volume up when djing. Anyway, good tips here, looking your vids for few days, interesting point of view and advices!

@andres.giacomini 3 жыл бұрын

Good tricks. I don't use decapitor, but I use the D16 group's Devastor, basically it's harmonic saturation (going to Distortion). I heard people say about samples, if they are broken, break them more ... 8-bit reduction is good for that too (Decimort).

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Right! I use their Redoptor, and also the input gain on decimort leads to heavy distortion too. Have been on the fence about Devastor - you recommend it?

@TheEvilSoft 3 жыл бұрын

Oh snap, I have always called them UpHatz too! Thought I was being silly, but now I know others think the same. One difference here though is I call Rolling HH "Groove Hatz"

@Saltedcoil 3 жыл бұрын

Another Industrial thing that would be awesome to demystify is the Greek Industrial techno scene, mainly SAWF and ANFS. Their pumping buzzy tracks just fill in a really specific niche for me.

@RudeProtagonist Жыл бұрын

💥

@TheOnodera4 3 жыл бұрын

Perfect from beginning to end :D

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Ovo 🤗

@nykpower668 3 жыл бұрын

so good channel..thank u..subbed

@traumadiffuser3705 3 жыл бұрын

Please make more underground techno tutorials like this!

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Hold tight for tomorrow then 😁

@sheldondrake8935 3 жыл бұрын

@@OscarUnderdog this is spirals ; )

@juxbuxmadafaka 3 жыл бұрын

yes. you encouraged me to buy decapitator:D

@alphanumeric1529 11 ай бұрын

Ah, I recall these sounds, when I was in my mother's womb and she was Jazzercising.

@thiasusofficial4785 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video man, good tips and tricks. Will give me a headstart on creating this on my analog rytm. If you would want i could show you my progress in a few days or weeks when I'm satisfied with the groove :) Thanks a lot 🔥

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Please do share, yes! If you're on the discord channel, you can message me directly there, or share in the group there!

@distortimus7631 3 жыл бұрын

This reminds me a bit on hard groove techno (without the HH, rides and cymbals). Could you maybe do a video about that in the future, please? Thank you. 😁

@eternalgoldenvoid6988 Жыл бұрын

I had to rewind but still couldn't tell if you were saying "honky frequency". There is a vast, t hilarious, world of fun to be had with that term. I might have to name a track after it. That said, I enjoy your videos as it gives me insight and knowledge from a perspective from someone who approaches production from a vastly different angle than I do.

@remydupon9965 3 жыл бұрын

nice content!! ;)

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Remy :)

@testamentblack 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks men

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Welcome men

@live_for_dixit 2 жыл бұрын

Very crazy

@antoineguilbeault8025 3 жыл бұрын

thank you Oscar!

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

thank YOU Antoine :D

@ordinarypablo 2 жыл бұрын

great

@SuturaOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

the origin of this kind of drums is not SNTS but people from the HARDTECHNO scene. Sven wittekind Boris S Sutura Arkus P Viperxxl Waldhaus Weichentechnikk and more

@alpow421 6 ай бұрын

Yeah.. Early days of Chris Liebling DJ Rush, Tok Tok, Felix Kröscher and even Monika Kruse. You all have to check out Hörspielmusik from Pierre and Marky (Nagen und Saugen)

@murademura 2 жыл бұрын

Ok … that’s it! I’m buying Decapitator : )

@cristianpallares7565 3 жыл бұрын

It's great to see videos about industrial music! Would suggest you study some of Tactical Sekt's songs, like Faded Prophecy. They are usually very rich in melodies and bass lines but can't figure them out. For example, in Faded Prophecy the drums and bassline start at 0:16 but can't really figure out how is the bassline shaped.

@stephenroldan5107 2 жыл бұрын

Even a simple track like beslan from them

@BurnProcessMedia 2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenroldan5107 well thanks guys. It’s really because back then I sucked at mixing LOL. I had no idea about side-chain. It was just a wall of noise which people seemed to like. But I go back and listen to those old TS tracks and think I could have done it so much better. But thanks for the support!

@BIG_PASTA 3 жыл бұрын

16:21 I love when my techno feels like a "big unit" hitting me in the face 😂 Great video jokes aside, thanks!

@benz8505 3 жыл бұрын

if u didn't time stamp it I was gonna lmao

@melemassimo 3 жыл бұрын

The guy knows

@marcinklimek8065 3 жыл бұрын

I see, here is a lot of knowledge! techno is a mystery to me, so I'd like to try my hand at this genre. Is according to You Genelec 8030 + sub is a good idea for a small studio or maybe it is better to invest in monitors with a larger woofer instead of a sub? Thanks for your work.

@vapili 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks god, soundtoys is having a sale.

@DaftFader 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they arn't cheap! I remeber when I started to buy legit versions of all the pirated plugins I used and the pricetag on a few made me almost change my mind lol. There was an emulated digital Lexicon reverb I used to love the sound of (seriously the cleanest vst reverb plugin I'd ever heard). When I went to buy it and realised it was about £2000 for a single program all of a sudden it didn't sound so good anymore. 😂 You get such a better experiance with the licenced versions of most complex plug ins tho, especially sound toys as the cracked versions would regulary crash. It's also not fair to use them for free forever, as without payment from anyone they don't make any plug ins at all. To try out a load of diferant ones to see what you like, as a broke novice I think it's ok. But if you find yourself using one a lot, it's much better for everyone to go and buy a real copy after. No excuses for professionals to still be using cracked stuff tho imo. It just doesn't make sence for a novice to shell out 2 grand for a couple of EQs and Filters or for a single reverb if all they wanna do is play with them a handful of times. Totally differant if you use them everyday and make a living off the back of them though. Excuse the tangent lol

@GuitarsAndSynths 2 жыл бұрын

Cool I am focused on eurorack modular drums but use compressor, touch of reverb, and distortion mixer to create good drums.

@fredthebasspro2256 Жыл бұрын

(fwiw) @ 5:00 +Could be worth mentioning: it appears "RumbleHigh" track's delay time seems to have been changed as well; and specifically to another different odd-number value, [1] & [1] in this case (from the looks of it), which imho is the main contributing factor influencing the groove of this particular track/sound and how it contrasts with its 'other-half' so to speak. Definitely not a big deal really at all. Just a sort of glossed over point I happened to notice/be curious about, plus I figured someone may benefit from the minimal effort either way! Awesome video btw, seriously, genuinely, thank you for everything you do! 👏😁💯

@modernrider1398 Жыл бұрын

The “Heavy Metal” of electronic

@GARCIIIAmonster 3 жыл бұрын

Can someone explain to me how i do the LFO Sidechain or is it enough to just use a compressor sidechain?

@mementomori6003 3 жыл бұрын

Could you do one on KRTM please? great content by the way

@justbud 3 жыл бұрын

⚒⚒⚒⚒⚒⚒⚒ NICE

@jessvega2964 Жыл бұрын

This sounds so dope. Did you Make a full song? 🤭

@OscarUnderdog Жыл бұрын

I did in the next two videos in the series, the final track is here! on.soundcloud.com/t2inYEFYN2WJQNF26

@benediktgrund760 3 жыл бұрын

Nice Tutorial 👍 Im watchin on my mobile, so i didnt hear lows. But doesent the rumble create a big mess when overlapping the next Kick? Even if you sidechain it it should overlap the next rumble, or is there anything i got wrong?🤔🧐

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

You're totally right, there is some overlap, and there is the risk of having a terrifyingly messy low end 😂 BUT: a bit of mess isn't bad, a bit of masking isn't a drama, and a bit of overlap is not necessarily your enemy. You're right to be mindful of it and to try to ensure the low end stays coherent, but it doesn't need to be too clean either.

@SARA-wl1ik Жыл бұрын

what's the link of the free sounds page? pls and thank you!

@IamYoris 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a specific reason to process the rumbles through separate tracks instead of in different channels within an effect rack ?

@OscarUnderdog 3 жыл бұрын

Yep! Its similar but this way you can resample them more easily, which you will want to do later (if you watch the 2nd video in the series). In general, it's also just a good idea to pay extra attention to those layers as their own instrument, so they deserve some extra real estate :)

@IamYoris 3 жыл бұрын

@@OscarUnderdog Makes sense, thanks :)

@djkawaiiarklagoth5296 Жыл бұрын

Hi. Do you have link for the person situak on bandcamp who sells the bass packs ?

@stormpegasus121 Жыл бұрын

Does anyone know a good free alternative plug in for the Decapitator?

@iqnill 3 жыл бұрын

What is the sample pack you mention?

@solkels_z4794 3 жыл бұрын

hey man please analyze this Curse - Savagery, this one is so good, loving its kick, how to make this kind of kick?

@PseudoPulse 3 жыл бұрын

"Not the type of VIOLENT PUNCH that we are looking for" Every kick should have a violent punch! Thats my new favorite term

@TheDjAliceD Жыл бұрын

Where is that Kick from? i cant understand... thx

@crisoliveira2644 2 жыл бұрын

19:21 It sounds like it's saying "Go away! Go away!" 😀

@adfgadgfsdgdfafgg 2 жыл бұрын

great video keep it up[ i can now make tekchno really good like basf it help so mcuh thank yo,u/

@airfixx_8952 3 жыл бұрын

This vid was great; thanks...... Unfortunately though, you fell into a trap that it seems a lot of content producers do. I.E: "...And I've added some sidechain" - Um, yes.... But you have side-chained what effect to what what key input? "...And I've applied an LFO" - Similarly, what effect/parameter are you applying the LFO to?

@traumadiffuser3705 3 жыл бұрын

Actually you don't understand: LFOtool is a volumeshaper that can create the side chain pumping effect without any input.