In that same post race interview Roglic even recalls that he didn't have that much fun the last time he was on this climb. Did he just forget who waited for him that day in 2020, saved him that day and probably allowed him to WIN the Vuelta by 24 seconds in 2020? Sepp SAVED him that day.

I remember when Carapaz had Roglic on the ropes on the same climb a little while ago. Guess who came to the rescue?

i think everyone should understand that it is a big mental shift for these guys to go from giving their all to win the race to giving that up to work for an unexpected teammate. i would say this is especially true for roglic, who I assume prepared the most for this race, and targeted it the most.

Well, Primoz is still more with one minute behind Sepp, and this so-called experts never said anything about Jonas when he attacked and came back from more then 2 minutes only to 8 seconds down. Primoz won the king stage of the Vuelta, and the red jersey is still on Sepp. Honestly, I see no reason why he should let the Angliru to be won by someone else. I think so-called experts should start to think first, talk after. And they should definitely look in the mirror.

2 days ago Jonas jump for stage win and Roglic stay back and lose his second position, but yesterday Roglic jump for stage win and Jonas also jump. It is clear that Jonas has to stay with Supp yesterday. It is his 100% shame, not Roglic one. Why everyone attacks Roglic, lol.

"I never again want to receive the assistance I'll need to win a major stage race" -- Primoz Roglic

Sepp has been the primary climbing domestic for both of them for five grand tours in a row. Not to mention all the other stage races he has helped win. It’s a pity that these teammates don’t understand that they didn’t do it by themselves. It’s even worse that management is blowing apart the team they fought so hard to build. Maybe because Jumbo Visma is not sponsoring in the future, the team won’t be able to pay Sepp, Jonas and Primos, so they are willing to burn a promising American, to keep one star. The worst part was, yesterday was Sepp’s birthday! Happy Birthday Sepp Kuss!

To those who argue that, “the best man should win”, remember all the times that “domestiques” have slowed down to support the “team” leader even though they were the “better” riders. Let’s see if they support Sepp Kuss on the last mountain stage, now that all have better time differences to the next teams.

Sepp Pulling them all the way up, he rode in front of them as he usually does, even though he's in the red shirt.Instead of honoring him, they chose to humiliate him. The situation was created out of the team's strategy, he has a chance to win after he has helped them so many times and will help more, so why are they throwing him to the dogs?

Primoz has been supporting Sepp for red since before the start of the Vuelta. He is the one that got screwed by the team when they made him sit back and let Jonas go up the road solo, twice. Primoz could've followed and likely was even stronger on the Tourmalet especially (Sepp also appeared stronger that day). If the team treated its two outright leaders fairly, Primoz would be second and Jonas third, and Sepp would still be in red if he had also had the freedom to chase Jonas on stages 13 and 16.

Whatever people's opinions on this, there's absolutely no doubt that this is going to create a lot of bad feeling within the team. Jumbo Visma have been the strongest team over the last few years, but this could be the beginning of some problems for them.

The problem is between Primoz and Vingegaard. Vingegaard attacked and lapped Roglic because of the lack of pulling from other teams, twice. I think Primoz tried to drop Jonas more than Kuss, because it can't be funny to be behind Jonas when he raced a better GC in general.

really if you want answers you should be asking the manager of the team what is the instructions to the three amigos.

What about Vingegards attack day before, how is that any different?

Cmon guys. You are talking about primoz who attacked 2 km to the finish line and he was 1.30 behind kuas. Vingegard attacked twice and no one was pulling from jumbo visma. Primoz allways staid with kuss as long as he could even tho vingegart took his 2nd place from him. He only went for stage win today and he slowed down when he saw that vingegard is behind him.

Jonas and Primoz are substantially indebted to Sepp and selfishly dropped him to pursue their own ambitions, particularly Jonas. Jonas did not have to go with Primoz, it was done deliberately to gain time on Sepp. If it wasn't for Mikel Landa, Jonas would be in red. Jumbo Visma have gone from a PR gold mine, to a PR disaster in one stage due to selfish ambitions from 2 riders 😐

So it’s was ok for Jonas to take a minutes out of Sepp, but not ok for Primoz to take seconds.. you all love the skandis

these talking heads miss the mark! they should talk about Jonas threatening Sepp... Primus is still one minute back.

"By many accounts - The US Postal Team is the most hated bicycle racing team in history". Jumbo Visma- "Hold my Bidon (BEER)"

Jonas made a huge deal when Wout Van Aert went for the stage win in last’s year tour of France leaving him behind. Now, he is not even winning the stage and leaving his teammate behind.

This is a unprecedented moment for a cycling team… no team in history has been in this position… they are nothing to compare or to judge it. This drama is clouding the historic event that is occurring… once again the media is hampering the athletes from being athletes and making them into drama actors… this is cycling in the highest level… not a Netflix show…

You are being unfair towards Roglič. He stayed with Kuss on previous stages when Jonas jumped but when Primož went, Jonas couldn't resist.

This is an overall grand tour win, not a stage win. The team leader/leaders are clearly within striking distance, they should not be gifting a grand tour overall win to one of their underlings, no matter how it makes any of you"feel". It is a team sport but let's not forget that the sport labels them as domestiques, by definition they are there to support the team at the expense of their own placing. The team is going to finish with all top 3 placings, Kuss is a great rider but his timeline on that team age wise is overlapped with Jonas and to a lesser extent with Primoz. If Kuss wants to compete for grand tours then he should probably move to a team where he would be the obvious leader. The trade off for him would most likely be to a lesser team, which undoubtedly leads to lesser placings on a non winning team. It is a meritocracy sport and Jonas and Primoz have earned there placing at the top of their team. Sepp was hired for a specific job and it was not to compete for grand tours, it was to be in support of them. If they gift this to him he will always know that he did not really win it. I believe he would have been passed by both and maintained 3rd place. It is a joke to argue that they should give him an overall grand tour win, stages are given in respect to domestiques, not grand tours.

People seems to forget the roles of each rider in the team. Kuss was hired and is payed to be a domestique. That's his job. The team determines if his role has changed and they are not saying much in that respect. Unless the team say Roglic and Vingegaard should ride for Kuss to win GC, I completely understand the frustration of Roglic and Vingegaard. They are co-captains of the team and the stronger riders.

We've seen Jumbo give Pogacar the Jumbo one two attack - but who would have thought that Jumbo would give Sepp the same one two attack!

It's amazing how fans can influence Jumbo Visma's strategy through social media

Roglic needs to go to Ineos or Bahrain as a Captain and go all in for the TDF 2024...

The egos of R & V is far greater than their respect for Kuss, even if he's helped them both beyond all measures. The team d.s is ultimately at fault.

This was Primož's race. Then the team called Jonas for no reason. They happen to found a compromise with Sepp. Why did Jonas put over one minute into Kuss the other day?

The commentator said it! Roglic wasn't ever going to take Red over Sepp. But why did Jonas follow Roglic? He wasn't tied onto him. Jonas could have pulled Sepp up. Turns out he did just that one stage later. Weird times, but Samen Winnen in the end! Go Sepp!!!

It wasn’t for Roglic to wait, it was for Jonas to wait with Sepp

4:18 "One rider crosses the line with his hands in the air." It's telling that after Roglic won after attacking Sepp, no celebration, no hands in the air. Empty victory.

Some of you may find it beneficial to detach names from this situation and view it purely as a team sport, with riders united in supporting the Red Jersey. Teammates shouldn't engage in internal conflicts over the jersey. In fact, when I initially looked at the lineup for this Vuelta, I wondered who Jumbo-Visma had in mind for the red jersey. Jonas and Primoz were the only two riders I even considered. When it ultimately went to Sepp, I believe many of us rallied behind him and started cheering for the 'underdog,' so to speak. I think it's because people can relate more to these 'normal' (though still incredibly talented) riders like Sepp, who don't receive the same level of stardom that Jonas, Primoz, Tadej, Remco, and others do.

Great commentary by people who really know this sport. I feel Iike I've been taking crazy pills the last two days watching teammates attack the leader with no other team up the road. They all have stage wins. The team will win it's 3rd GT in one season. What more do you want/need? Sepp has another year in his contract and will destroy himself for Primoz and Jonas next year like he has for 6 prior GT victories. Everyone just shaking their head.

It’s so weird how in the interviews primos and Jonas are talking like they’re not teammates with sepp just good friends or something

Let the bidding wars begin... cant wait to see Sepp riding with Tadej or Remco!!!

Im pretty positive Sepp said on the radio something along the lines of "Im gone guys, go race", so your point makes absolutely no sense.

Before anyone says that Sepp deserves a shot at winning the Vuelta, I would argue he has earned the right to ATLEAST have a shot. Forget all the help that he has given to Roglic and Vingegaard and look at this situation: a rider who rode himself into the leader's jersey, has done a decent enough TT to keep it, and has kept himself in contention for the overall; Sepp has earned the right to have a shot. Also, I find it unfair that the riders are getting so much heat, the DS's and TJV themselves put themselves into this mess. The riders can only do so much decision making during the race.

they never spoke about jonah like that like wtf????

Sepp Kuss has contributed for most their victories. I think he should get this one and only chance to win the GC of the Vuelta #respect

Eurosport turning cycling into wrestling.

Primoz deserved that stage, he was not going to take red especially if Jonas paced Sepp. Jonas should have stuck with him and let Primoz go because he had already attacked and won previous stages. Getting all three of them within the closest gap would have been best.

Why did it take Jumbo Visma management two, almost three, days to tell the two bigheads that you do not attack a teammate in the leader's jersey, particularly when that teammate has done so much for you, so often. I think Kuss should leave Jumbo Visma, surely lots of teams would want him and would treat him better.

These guys have lost the plot. I mean the commentators. Yesterday Adam Blythe said Jonas wasn’t attacking and just wanted to win the stage for his buddy. Today he thought Kuss was on the radio to encourage his teammates when he got dropped. Finessing a grand tour as a ‘gift’ is the goofiest thing I’ve ever heard. Kuss should be able to hold the wheel tomorrow and win, but this cringe ‘gift’ they’re all cheering for, while totally disrespecting two of the best riders in the world, is really a shame.

Is it respect for Sepp Kuss that is the issue or rather the competition between Roglič and Vingegaard with Kuss as collateral damage?

Jonas - Egoist.........Primož - Respect

These guys are on lala land . Primoz won the stage because he deserved to win after dragging Sepp up most of the mountain. In the next stage he was full time Domestique duties and gave up his realistic probability of winning the GC. Let Primoz enjoy his stage victory. He is stronger than Kuss.

never attack a team mate in red. never. never. huge tradition. complete disrespect for SK. shame on PR and JV.

I think that deep down Sepp knows that if he was gifted the race by his team mates it would be a hollow victory. These are professional athletes who are in it to win it and to win a Grand Tour is every cyclists dream. I think many of us would like to see Sepp win especially after the work he has done for the other two in previous GTs but, I think he would like to win it and not be given it.

JV covering themselves in bad PR, which may well over shadow their dominance of this race. Interesting to see how Jonas sat up and let Sepp get some time back in stage 18, he clearly realised the errors in his ways on the two previous stages.

This snowflake mentality has got to stop. This is a race, these are warriors fighting each other. They all want to win. Sepp Kuss even said it himself, he wants to win, but not to be given the win. He has integrity, so show him the respect that goes with it.

Weird interview with Rog, love to see a psychologist analyse that, face and body language was bizarre.

I guess it is team tactics unless an American is in the lead. Also, if I were Sepp Kuss, I would definitely leave Jumbo-Visma as soon as the contract allows. His stock way up. This is supposed to be a team sport after all. That is, only while Kuss supplies the support for those other two these last few years. Strongest rider should win? The optics, however really stink. If they don't help Kuss, I will no longer support either one of those guys.

If Vingegaard and Roglic were 10 minutes down on GC, they wouldn't be attacking Kuss like this. Ergo, they're riding to take the victory from him, not about stopping the other teams catching.

Roglic went for stage win, Vinegaard should tow Kuss in but he was paranoid that Roglic would take too much time out of him on GC. Judas wants to sneak a gt win here, I think he is the snake

If that is your excuse Primoz, why didn’t you tell Sepp to go for it every time he drops back to save you while you race? Clearly your ego is so large you cannot support another rider. Any domestique that wants to race for Primoz and Jonas in the future is a fool, and deserves to be treated like garbage from these two traitors.

There is no story"for the press?!? So let's turn JV guys against eachother?!😮by the way what happened with Remco

Do we all like Sepp? Yes Does Sepp deserve to win? Yes Is the best rider on the road going to win this years Vuelta? No

Interesting what Sean said at the end: Sepp talking to other teams. We’ll have to stay tuned…

Rog is too far behind to catch Kuss. But Kuss could sneeze and Vingo could accidentally pull ahead.

I was a fan of Roglic, a humble & family man but now I should re-thinking it again...

The professionals in the studio see this for what it is 100%. Disrespect of their race leader.

Lantern Rouge: "There is no Sepp Kuss for Sepp Kuss".

Unlike other sports, team cycling does give "gifts" to show appreciation to teammates who have helped them win in the past. It's part of the sport and should stay that way.

Don't Vingegaard, Roglic and Jumbo realise, everyone who likes them, likes Sepp Kuss too. Nobody likes what you're doing.

I so disagree on this but I don't have any of these people talking here in high regard. It still is the vuelta! It's very clear Primoz would love to see Sepp win but it's not just any race, you don't just give away a chance to win the Vuelta, that would be ridiculous!!

No one has done an ounce of work for Sepp this Vuelta except Landa.

This is where their positions come into play. Both of them are leaders and Seppy is a domestique.

Zopet je Primož problem, ne Vinegard, ki je že dvakrat z idiotskim izgovorom pustil Sepa na cedilu, Primož je še včeraj pokrival Sepa, danes je želel zmagati etapo, zakaj Vinegard ni počakal pri Sepu?

Mr. Kelly just said what I been thinking for a couple of days now . 📳 “Hello Sepp’s Manager. This is DS So-n-so from Team This-That.” 💶

PR wanted a stage win and he is totally out for himself

That strange feeling is guilt and sham buddy.

Sepp proves he can compete for grand tour GC podium...now he needs to find a team...it clearly isnt Jumbo

Should rename this The Tainted Tour

This is what happens when the team DS leaves it open within the team. Chaos! I haven’t seen the entire post race show but it’s disappointing that in this video segment none of these guys blame the approach taken by the DS until the end of the Angliru’s stage.

I have a feeling that Sepp Kuss could end up as collateral damage in the rivalry between Roglic and Vingegaard. Vingegaard in particular is a disingenuous sonofabitch, especially after affecting to win yesterday's stage "for his fallen team mate", while incidentally gaining a minute over his most loyal and supportive team mate.

Cinderella story! This super-domestique was never supposed to be at the ball. Step sisters are fuming!

Primož Roglič is not a 'Super - Domestique' - rather, he's a Super GC Rider, who's won four grand tours, and is only missing the TDF in this category. His conflicted feelings during the Vuelta appear fully understandable to me - even more so, now, with the benefit of hindsight, since he's officially moving to Bora - where, I assume, he'll be given an unencumbered chance, with no (same team) co-leaders, to take the Tour de France (obviously no guarantees). He's in a very exclusive GC club, with currently only several other riders, at, or above his level - Vingegaard, Pogačar, maybe Evenepoel, maybe Kuss, maybe a few others - that's it. He'll have his chance next year with Bora, but to accuse him of selfishness, disloyalty, lack of respect ... is a little over the top, given his level of competitiveness and talent. Next year's TDF should be very interesting, including Cav's run for a 35th stage win!

From cycling fan point of view, Sepp deserves more respect. He led his team leaders to numerous victories insted of attacking them. Now every day they attack him with no respect or gratitude for his position in the race. In my book foul Play by both Vin. and Rogla, but we do not now many things that go on behind the screens. For me this whole thing is wrong, would like to see Sepp in red od Sunday, but i think tomorrow they (his own team) will rip him apart.

Don't be too hard on him. I can totally understand him. He tested Kuss that day, but he didn't break. In that knowledge it's going to be easier for Roglic to give Kuss the win.

JV just covers the podium. Do you journalists understand cycling?

So silly s discussion... Because by such logic kuss should have stayed with vingegaard on stage 6, since VG wss better placed. The legs decide the day. Thats why kuss gets to go one day, vg another day or roglich another... And everybody wants to put time in the bank.

Jumbo used to be my favorite team. I will never cheer for them again.

I don‘t want to judge Jumbo Visma now because there are a few days left. To be honest, Sepp barely lost time on the others, only on the team mates. I could imagine that they wanted to secure their positions and win stages. Now they can go full gas for Sepp. As soon as Sepp looses positions I will critisize Jumbo heavily. But don’t judge them in advance. By the way: I think that if Sepp dont win the vuelta he should and will leave JV and thatbwouls be a great loss.

How is it more fair to let the race winner be decided by a team manager and not by the athletes performances...? How is it even fun to win a race knowing that it was given to you...

Nothing really disrespectful here. Jonas and Primoz are competitors at heart at the end of the day. Psychologically, No one wants to be 2nd place especially when you have a multi TDF winner as well Giro Vuelta former winners competing in the top 3. No one will give anyone a win, you have to earn it and Sepp is earning it. Would you want to know someone held back for you so you can win?

I love Sepp. I want him to win, but this is a race, right? I’m conflicted. Shouldn’t it mean less if they back off the pedals so he can win? I also think that Sepp at 29 should find a new team. He’s definitely ready for the GC role and would do well to have his own team supporting him.

Sean summed it all up the his final statement, you won't see Sepp in a JV jersey next year, even if he wins this Vuelta, which he won't ... I cant see it, not Primoz but Jonas... Tonight has breakaway written all over it, the closest guy on GC is over four minutes down, three minutes to Primoz... They all just have to ride together and can afford to let the break go and let others get some glory and show team solidarity for once and allow Sepp to finally have some respect for his years of selfless work ... That alone would be a incredibly fitting end to such a incredible season for JV, instead of making either Jonas or Primoz look like heartless assassins ...

As a former pro this is not how we play as a team. Horrid. We support each other. And their is payback shame on them shame on

Well, c'mon, he also struggles to speak English, so you're putting words in his mouth. What a loaded interview. Getting bad questions under difficult circumstances and reading too much) in the answers (sensationalism... a British press thing). Interview him in his own language.... if anything, Jonas should not have followed.

Mano a mano does not mean “man on man”!!!

Maybe Jonas is looking to get the tripple grand tour crown in a row.

Surely its up to Jumbo Visma to decide who is the team leader...and direct that

Hopefully Sean is correct that Kuss' manager will be on the phone with other teams asap.

I wonder what would happen if WVA was on this Vuelta team. I wonder what he would have to say on the team bus.

Ridiculous commentators 😂…the previous stage was set for Primoz but Jonas “had to go”…and Primoz did not follow him…he stayed with Sepp…and therefore lost his 2nd position overall…today Primoz was allowed to attack and Jonas should have stayed with Sepp and help him!! Again Jonas refused to do so….I my opinion Primoz and Sepp should change teams next year!

So Sean Kelly isn't the only one who is a 🤡 of a commentator.. If i were Sepp Kuss i wouldn't go for like pity me and out of loyalty hand me a win!

Stop that nonsense. Best man should win. Three best riders are on one team so they must fight it out or be disrespectful to all the fans

Anyone that thinks what Primoz did was acceptable, go back and watch the 2020 Angliru stage.

Vingegaard is the real culprit here; forget Roglic.