Isn't that the whole problem? Subverting expectations for 'realism" sake. No actual "Trek" in it's Star Trek.

@@Luciphell it’s easy to be a saint in paradise

@@Luciphellit wasn't trying to be some kind of edgelord show. It was fighting to show something that hadn't been done before on star trek: consequences

@@SamEmilio2 I know and it succeeded. It's a great show, but I consider DS9 to be as much as Star Trek (to me) as Star Trek: Discovery is. A nice spin-off that I don't take seriously.

_I concur._

@@nemesis5481 There must be some type of conspiracy against DS9. It's the only Trek series not to have a substantial carryover into current limited series/stories. They used the Changlings as villains on Picard, and manged to bring in Voyager's Seven of Nine and Tuvok, but no love for DS9. What's up with that?!?!

@@EvilTheOne _I don't know. I only watched the first 2 seasons of Picard. Everything else you told me regarding that series i.e, Picard is brand new to me. As far as the Trek franchise goes, my favorite is DS9 by a very long shot. I love Jean-Luc Picard and also Data from STTNG. In DS9, however, I loved everyone, just about, even Quark; he grew on me. In my lifetime I don't believe I'll ever see another show as well written; the character arcs, the plotlines, the quality of acting, the eloquence of speech. I was thoroughly disappointed with the way Voyager ended. Just compare the last scenes from the series finale from STTNG and DS9 and tell me if you see my point._

@@nemesis5481 I agree with you, DS9 was far superior to all other Trek series. It was one of my favorite sci-fi series ever. For me, TNG ended nicely, but that series and the subsequent Picard mini-series were all wrapped around Patrick Stewart. The rest of the cast had their moments, although it was mainly Stewart & his Picard persona. As for Voyager, it ended and felt rushed, because it was. The interviews with Brannon Braga makes it seem that they were surprised that the studio was looking for them end the series at the end of the seventh season. Seeing that DS9 and TNG ended upon their seven season runs, why did they believe that they would go longer?!?! So they slap together episode to conclude charater arcs that didn't make any sense, like seven having a romantic relationship with Chakotay...what's up with that?! And even as they made it home, it was so uneventful as we just see the ship moving on impulse towards Earth...that's it?! And I always felt that 'Enterprise' could have a movie or mini-series taking off 20 years after the finale. And yes, I believe that 'Trip' is alive, as that was just a holographic computer simulation that Riker was running in the finale. My vision for the series takes off as Trip is one of the designers of the Constitution class vessels, and Reed is part of the evolution of Section 31. Archer is one of the key members that ends the conflict that is the Romulan War.

@@EvilTheOne _Totally. You know, I'm not actually a native English speaker. Indeed, when I first began watching STTNG I was continuing in my language learning endeavor, mostly from my time in high school and hanging out with friends. My communication style was that of a regular teenager, lots of slang and street lingo... I had a a girlfriend in high school, this was my senior year, she was a "Trekker", not a "Trekkie", mind you. And she explained the difference. Because of my feelings for her at the time, one day, I watched a STTNG episode called "The Measure of a Man" and something exceedingly profound happened to me that I had not previously experienced before, especially not from TV binge watching; I was completely inspired in a very meaningful way. The scene was when Picard was advocating for Data before a Federation court where the android's "life" was pretty much at stake. The eloquence, the passion and the well-thought out arguments Picard presented were so compelling I was prompted to watch the show further. Over time, the highlights of the show, for me, personally, were the impassioned speeches Picard would make. What I'm trying to convey is that the show impacted my life irrevocably and for the better. I strove to gain mastery of the English language, and Picard was my principal source of inspiration. To this very day, I still love everything about that character: his poise, his erudition, his force of character, his bravery, his appearance, in a word: EVERYTHING. I am in full agreement with you regarding the rushed manner whereby Voyager came to an end. I also find it implausible and, to a measure, incongruent, that 7 of 9 would regard Chakotay as a love interest: there's just no chemistry twixt them. It fascinates me that you think Tripp had not been killed in the last season of Enterprise (I also thoroughly enjoyed that show and its opening intro, with that song as well as the melody in the closing credits). I liked the way in which Enterprise and STTNG connected via that holographic simulation where Deanna Troy and Riker were discussing his course of action to be taken, which ties with that STTNG episode, "The Pegasus"?? As for me, I do believe Tripp sacrificed his life for the survival of the crew. Going back to my diatribe, what I was attempting to convey is that the show was not just a great and successful television production, but it also had the power to change a life and, by extension, to a measure, however small, to change the world: my world. ;)_

_Definitely one of my favorite DS9 episodes, along with "Duet"._

I feel the same. I relate to all those characters on that show, even the broken and bowed.

Sisko can hit ya with his words as well as his fists!!

The same thing Western people do. They look outside the window and ignore the evil they do outside the west

Let’s also not forget Michael Eddington accusing the Federation of being no better than the Borg. Or Garrak and Quark talking about how the Federation is insidious.

DS9 is for the veterans of the Trek series. I massively underrated it until a revisit so many years later. xD

But then you wonder actually, is that correct lore wise?? I mean in retrospect. Think about it. Earth is a paradise, post scarcity society. With Replicator technology etc, basic needs for shelter and food are all taken care of. Why would the Federation NOT be able to replicate similar paradises on any colony they establish?? Why suddenly would all the difficulties of the past rear their heads? A bit odd when you think about it.

Thought some marquis joined cus how they were being treated by the cardassians amoung other things?

What? How are the Marquis colonizers? Some of them were born there, they grew up there! In fact, I honestly think calling anyone in this situation just a straight up "colonizer" is really reductive of the situation. Any being a colonizer in itself is not a bad thing, we see in tng the federation frequently colonizes unoccupied planets by painstakingly making them habitable.

When was the "Ensign Ro" episode in universe?? I thought it was after Cardassia's withdrawal from Bajor?? Also wasnt there another Bajoran who was with starfleet but died on an away mission whilst working with a cardassian as a comfort woman??

@@indianastones6032 so I'm pretty sure "Ensign Ro" (TNG 5x03) takes place before the Cardassian withdrawal from Bajor, but a better trek scholar could tell you for sure! My logic: DS9’s first episode came out right after TNG 6x10 and 6x11 when picard gets his full cardsssian treatment, and presumably picard and sisko meet soonish after that. Plus, the withdrawal is pretty fresh and raw when DS9 starts so I assume its more recent than over a full season in TNG's past. Better trekkies than I could probably confirm or deny though! I could have sworn there were lines in "Ensign Ro" about the war but can't remember.

@@hailonyourparade I'm tending to agree with ya logic as ya timeline makes sense. Still gives me an excuse to watch it again! Thanks

I’ve been kicking myself about it ever since

Wow, I just admire your personal honesty and bravery. I identify most with DS9 because it dealt with the reality of what the UFP’s passive colonialism and multi-species would probably produce. What must it be like to have autism undiagnosed? As a black person, I can’t even begin to understand what misunderstandings and bigotry you’ve had to live through. But belief me family, you are victor in the battle of life. If you can make these sorts of analyses, you are a leader for all of us.

@@Hellserch Thanks for the complement, Herschell.

@@WoohooliganComedy I will watch it. I have worked with people with this stigmatising label for years and can see clearly how the discrimination works. It’s destroyed millions of lives.

@@Hellserch I honestly don't think of that aspect of it as being the part that affects me the most. I do sometimes experience people being ableist or infantilizing me and obviously I find that annoying, but I'm usually much more worried about my own tendency to accidentally insult people. Anyway, I noticed another channel subscription, I'm guessing you. Thanks again! And let me know if I can help with anything. I'm a big proponent of mutual aid.

@@WoohooliganComedy Thank you for explaining this to me. I will take it on. Often identification with others travails doesn’t equip us to truly understand where that person stands.

I cant stand B5 because of its theatrical look. I don’t know if it’s color hue but I just dont like how it looks. I will have to give it a chance someday.

I LOVE DS9, had zero time for Babylon 5... Seemed like a ... Jim Henson production... Kind of... puppety.., or like the people in Drama class... DS9 they just seemed like... they were who they were playing... I may revisit Babylon 5 someday though...

​@@volkhen0 lol I didn't read it until after, but my comment almost mirrors yours... Isn't this the show that has the weird guy fringe/peacock head thing? I'm remembering a peacock fringe head thing... Just took it self too seriously, for how it looked... DS9? They ... acted like they looked, they just _were_ that...

yeah, and thats not even on thewriters, but studio execs did.

And everything he does ends up being the right decision most of the time. As Sisko himself said: “It’s easy to be a saint in Paradise.”

I must’ve misremembered, cuz I could’ve sworn he was referred to as a science officer at some point. my mistake.

correct

Also the marquee sucks. They were a bunch of traditionalists Who strive to live without Federation influence, by moving to an isolated region and then expected the federation to sacrifice it Scientists inlisted men and officers fighting a forever war against a much weaker Weaker adversary to defend their land rights. If anything, the federation negotiating a peace treaty, and not just blindly defending the land rights of a small minority of traditional is more anti-colonialist as far as I’m concerned.

But have one of those colonies be a tribe of indigenous people and all of a sudden rational nuance goes out the window for most progressive. “clearly the federation bad because trail of tears”

did some checking, and as far as I can tell, there’s no credible reason to believe that this story is either apocryphal or false. Nichols had apparently been telling similar versions of this story since the late 1970s, and there’s no evidence at all contradicting her story. you can think it’s false if you want, but as far as I can tell, there’s no real reason to prefer believing that over believing that the story is true.

it’s been a while since I made this, so can you refresh my memory on where in the video I said that, and what specifically I said? I genuinely have no recollection of saying anything like that

@@IconforShort 2:50. You said that the original series had some odd pseudoscience and some blatant sexism. Ok, maybe you were referring to the episode where they brainwashed criminals instead of putting them in prison. You didn’t clarify what you meant exactly.

did you see Duet? that's what did it for me. I knew I'd love it after that.

Don't judge any Star Trek show in season 1. They are usually always meh.

I hope you kept watching. I had the same experience, and "fast-forwarded" to a later episode. I hit the perfect episode which helped me enjoy the journey & it grew on me. I guess because it's so different, the first season is kind of exposition/finding their feet. There is important information in the first season, but the episodes get better by the end of the season.

wdym this is clearly a real person speaking

wrong!